Well, looks like the president caved into pressure and released his long form birth certificate.
Good for him. I don't know why he waited this long, but I'm glad he finally released it. I had a gut feeling he would when the poll came out earlier this week that showed only 38% of Americans were positive he was born in the US. It would have become a big campaign issue that would have detracted from what should be debated and discussed. Hopefully this will get most of the birthers to lay off the subject and discuss what is really important.
Trump is taking all of the credit for it, and now wants him to release his college records.
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Geraine: I'm betting it was the hospital that caved into pressure as they have indicated they don't release long form certificates or copies of those certificates. Not nobody not no how.
But whatever, I'm so sick of this even being an issue much less news.
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Personally, I think Obama should have waited until the general. This was making the Republican base look ridiculous and may have been the issue on which they nominate a wingnut that can't win the general. Not that it's a good thing to have a crappy Republican candidate, but if I were a cynical, calculating politico (as every presidential election committee surely has at its head), that would be my move.
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quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Geraine: I'm betting it was the hospital that caved into pressure as they have indicated they don't release long form certificates or copies of those certificates. Not nobody not no how.
But whatever, I'm so sick of this even being an issue much less news.
The President hired a lawyer last week to grab a copy from Hawaii - there's a PDF floating around of the letter. The writer notes that the hosptial doesn't release long form certificates, but asks that the Department of Health be willing to make an exception in this case.
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Anyone want to take bets on the numbers for the next poll for "don't believe that Obama is a natural born citizen". I'm taking 30% general populace.
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quote:Originally posted by MattP: Personally, I think Obama should have waited until the general. This was making the Republican base look ridiculous and may have been the issue on which they nominate a wingnut that can't win the general. Not that it's a good thing to have a crappy Republican candidate, but if I were a cynical, calculating politico (as every presidential election committee surely has at its head), that would be my move.
Well, as Geraine mentioned: Trump is already taking credit for "forcing" Obama's hand. But think about it: if this pushes Trump up in the polls, exactly how has the President lost?
quote:Well, as Geraine mentioned: Trump is already taking credit for "forcing" Obama's hand. But think about it: if this pushes Trump up in the polls, exactly how has the President lost?
It's a really really strange world where someone can spin being proven wrong as a win.
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Question is, will this actually satisfy the birthers or will they insist there is something wrong with this one too?
I bet there will still be a bunch of people out there demanding some other form of "proof" on this one.
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quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Geraine: I'm betting it was the hospital that caved into pressure as they have indicated they don't release long form certificates or copies of those certificates. Not nobody not no how.
But whatever, I'm so sick of this even being an issue much less news.
The President hired a lawyer last week to grab a copy from Hawaii - there's a PDF floating around of the letter. The writer notes that the hosptial doesn't release long form certificates, but asks that the Department of Health be willing to make an exception in this case.
The birth certificate is issued by the state of Hawaii... the hospital has nothing to do with it other than supplying the information to the DOH within a few days/weeks of birth.
As an employee of the Hawaii State Department of Health, I'd find all of this amusing if it wasn't so pathetic. I agree that this will not satisfy the crazies... they'll be complaining about something else just as silly before too much longer.
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quote:Originally posted by Wingracer: Question is, will this actually satisfy the birthers or will they insist there is something wrong with this one too?
I bet there will still be a bunch of people out there demanding some other form of "proof" on this one.
Yup!! Birthers aren't exactly the kind of people who are noted for their ability to assimilate facts and alter their opinions accordingly.
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quote:Originally posted by Wingracer: Question is, will this actually satisfy the birthers or will they insist there is something wrong with this one too?
I bet there will still be a bunch of people out there demanding some other form of "proof" on this one.
I am sure they will just move on from this to the whole Indonesian adoption / public school thing.
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I haven't followed politics closely in a long time, as I find it a painful topic...
Is this really still an issue? I mean, he's been president for over two years now...if this was going to be a real issue it would have had any impact it would have had before he was sworn in.
With everything that is wrong with the world, I think it reflects very poorly on the human race that this is still even spoken of.
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quote:Well, as Geraine mentioned: Trump is already taking credit for "forcing" Obama's hand. But think about it: if this pushes Trump up in the polls, exactly how has the President lost?
It's a really really strange world where someone can spin being proven wrong as a win.
The Republican National Committee Chairman has also taken the opportunity to criticize Obama for wasting time on this distraction rather than fixing the economy.
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quote:Well, as Geraine mentioned: Trump is already taking credit for "forcing" Obama's hand. But think about it: if this pushes Trump up in the polls, exactly how has the President lost?
It's a really really strange world where someone can spin being proven wrong as a win.
The Republican National Committee Chairman has also taken the opportunity to criticize Obama for wasting time on this distraction rather than fixing the economy.
How long do you think it took the President to ask someone to hire a lawyer to write a letter an pick up the birth certificates -- 5 minutes? Maybe 30 at the outside if you include the discussion with an advisor as well?
Does the GOP really believe that 30 minutes of the Presidents time would make a huge difference in the state of the economy?
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I can hear the voices screaming "Its a FAKE!!!!!!!" already.
Normally they are just the voices in my head, but I look forward with dread for them to be joined by the "He can't be born in America--he don't look like us" crowd to chime in.
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It won't make any difference. President Obama is "other", "not like us" and that won't change. People will just have to find something else to hang that on.
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quote:Originally posted by Darth_Mauve: I can hear the voices screaming "Its a FAKE!!!!!!!" already.
Normally they are just the voices in my head, but I look forward with dread for them to be joined by the "He can't be born in America--he don't look like us" crowd to chime in.
I ALMOST posted the video, but, I figured we all had it playing in our heads anyway.
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quote:Originally posted by Jon Boy: The Republican National Committee Chairman has also taken the opportunity to criticize Obama for wasting time on this distraction rather than fixing the economy.
america the beautiful
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Now, on to the long-standing controversy over whether Obama is a cactus. Why is he waiting so long to release his full genome? If he already has, I apologize, and replace my post with "Why is he wasting time and energy on this distraction when he could be fixing the economy?"
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quote:Originally posted by Wingracer: Question is, will this actually satisfy the birthers or will they insist there is something wrong with this one too?
I bet there will still be a bunch of people out there demanding some other form of "proof" on this one.
There are some insisting that there's something wrong with it. Forgery, photoshop, whatever. It's pathetic really.
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quote:Originally posted by Happy Camper: There are some insisting that there's something wrong with it. Forgery, photoshop, whatever. It's pathetic really.
Most common at this point: A conspiracy between Obama's parents and a complicit Hawaiian hospital, or something along those lines.
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You don't think it's a little convenient that the doctor has been dead for eight years? And what with Obama being involved with the Chicago political machine. First the Clintons with Vince Foster, now Obama with his own fake birth doctor!
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quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: Wow, talk about a 180.
Since when has Beck been a birther hater?
i just googled it. It seems Beck has been anti-birther for at least 2 years. Which just goes to prove that no one can be wrong all the time.
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quote:Originally posted by Happy Camper: There are some insisting that there's something wrong with it. Forgery, photoshop, whatever. It's pathetic really.
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Oh, and lets see.... President has to be over 35 years old. Doctors range in age from mid 20's to mid 60's-- Meaning any doctor who presides at a birth will be between 60 and 100 years old by the time the child they birth gets to be president.
That means the odds of any doctor being alive and of sound mind by the time the baby becomes president are....not over 50%.
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quote:Well, as Geraine mentioned: Trump is already taking credit for "forcing" Obama's hand. But think about it: if this pushes Trump up in the polls, exactly how has the President lost?
It's a really really strange world where someone can spin being proven wrong as a win.
quote:Doctors range in age from mid 20's to mid 60's-
Too generous. In the US, to become an OB/Gyn requires 4 years of undergraduate studies, 4 years of medical school and 4 years of residency. So if a person enters college at age 18, they couldn't be licensed as an OB/Gyn until age 30 at the earliest.
The average age of Presidents at election is ~ 55. The youngest person ever elected President (JFK) was 43+. If he had been delivered by a freshly minted OB/Gyn, the doctor would have been around 73 at the time of his election.
Obama is younger than the average President. He will be 50 in August. So the youngest we might reasonably expected the doctor who delivered him to be would be 80. That's the low end, so chances that the doctor who delivered him (or any President) would alive are way lower than 50%.
Even if the doctor was alive, what do you think the chances are that an OB/GYN would remember delivering a specific baby 5 decades ago unless there were something highly unusual about the birth? Do you think the doctor who delivered you, remembers it?
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(Well, yeah. I had him fake an American birth certificate for me just in case I wanted to be President.)
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That didn't take long. Look at the comments... Amazing.
One person typed a comment saying that apparently the hospital listed on the certificate wasn't around until 1978, they went under a different name at that time.
Sigh....Here we go again.
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quote:Even if the doctor was alive, what do you think the chances are that an OB/GYN would remember delivering a specific baby 5 decades ago unless there were something highly unusual about the birth? Do you think the doctor who delivered you, remembers it? [/QB]
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One person typed a comment saying that apparently the hospital listed on the certificate wasn't around until 1978, they went under a different name at that time.
Sigh....Here we go again.
It's almost as if things like 'evidence' don't matter to them.
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quote:Even if the doctor was alive, what do you think the chances are that an OB/GYN would remember delivering a specific baby 5 decades ago unless there were something highly unusual about the birth? Do you think the doctor who delivered you, remembers it?
I like to think so. I'm simply that awesome. [/QB]
"I remember giving birth to the president, because I did so IN COMMUNIST MUSLIM KENYA and the father was WILLIAM AYERS".
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I'm a miracle baby so my dr might remember me. Maybe not by name, but the details should be like, oh yeah, I remember that one.
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quote:Originally posted by Lisa: He still sucks. He sucked before the birther thing, he still refuses to release any of his transcripts, and... oh, yeah, he sucks.
So what? If he released his transcripts and they showed straight As, would you decide he didn't suck? Would anyone?
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