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Destineer
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-Loved this movie. It's Tarantino's best so far. Always thought he was overrated, but no longer. I cheered at many points.

-I guess they originally wanted Will Smith for Django? That would have sucked. Jamie Foxx is much better for the part.

-Christoph Waltz is just a delight every minute he's on screen.

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What was good about it?

How overrated did you think he was before? Why did it change your mind?

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Dan, if I started gabbing it would be long and rambling and probably unhelpful. What I can say, though, is that if you liked either the Kill Bill films or Inglorious Basterds you would almost certainly really enjoy this one.
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Okay. Maybe not for me, then.

Inglorious Basterds was the worst movie I've seen in theaters since... I don't know. Something really bad. That greek myth flick with the hack 3D job was worse, I think I saw it around the same time.

In general, I think Tarantino is one of the worst and most overrated filmmakers out there. But Destineer mentioned he used to think he was overrated, so I was curious how much so, and why it changed.

Edit: Oh, and I'm fond of spaghetti westerns, so if Destineer had a good answer that would be another reason I might consider seeing this one despite the Tarantino factor.

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Rakeesh
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Heh, I would say if you felt even half as strongly about IB as it seems you do, you should avoid DU like the plague!
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I can understand IB not being someone's cup of tea, but worst? What on Earth was so bad about it?
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Inglorious Basterds was pretty good, I thought.
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I can definitely see why people don't like Inglorious Basterds. I can honestly say the reason I love it so much is almost exclusively because of the performance of Christoph Waltz in that film. He's transcendent in it.
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One of my friends (who should be noted is both a big Tarantino fan and a budding expert in Civil War history) said he loved the first 3/4 of the movie but was only ok with the last 1/4. Anyone who's seen it care to comment? He wouldn't go into it more because he wants me to see it, but there's just no way I can afford it until it makes it to the dollar theater.
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I've really been wanting to see this. There was talk of a department trip yesterday, but that fell through as too many people (myself included) had prior plans for our first Friday back. Hopefully it will happen soon.
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Inglorious Basterds is fantastic, and it's a great deconstruction of war films.
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quote:
Originally posted by Dr Strangelove:
One of my friends (who should be noted is both a big Tarantino fan and a budding expert in Civil War history) said he loved the first 3/4 of the movie but was only ok with the last 1/4. Anyone who's seen it care to comment? He wouldn't go into it more because he wants me to see it, but there's just no way I can afford it until it makes it to the dollar theater.

My best friend loved the first two acts and hated the last act with a passion that burns...and from what he told me, with reason.
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Foust
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What was wrong with the last quarter?
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**SPOILERS**


He kills everyone, unrealistically...like 30-40 people single handedly, even some who were nothing but nice to him and did not deserve to be gunned down in cold blood.

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quote:
Originally posted by Stone_Wolf_:
**SPOILERS**


He kills everyone, unrealistically...like 30-40 people single handedly, even some who were nothing but nice to him and did not deserve to be gunned down in cold blood.

Who did he kill that was nice to him?

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Originally posted by Dr Strangelove:
said he loved the first 3/4 of the movie but was only ok with the last 1/4.

It might have been because the pace changed so abruptly and felt really out of place until the very end? I don't know, I loved it all the way through.

It was hilarious, I think I was making people angry with how loud I was laughing, and on top of that the feeling of suspense in some scenes literally had me on the edge of my seat. I'm a huge Tarantino fan though, so take it with a grain of salt.

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**SPOILERS**

The wife of the owner? I didn't see it, so my info is second hand.

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quote:
Originally posted by Stone_Wolf_:
**SPOILERS**

The wife of the owner? I didn't see it, so my info is second hand.

*SPOILERS*


She is essentially second in command of an incredibly brutal plantation, and is the one who gives the order that Django be sent to a place that is apparently worse then having his balls chopped off.

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Yeah, she was neck deep in it to the point of helping out getting female slaves cleaned up and pretty for what one would expect slave owners to get female slaves pretty for. In particular it happened to be Django's wife, so he would perhaps be a smidgen extra unhappy.
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:Spoilers:

The final quarter of the film is where you're reminded it's a Tarantino film. Yeah you had all the wordy dialogue, long and memorable monologues, and the dry, often ironic humor - all tropes in Tarantino films. Then near the end he goes Kill Bill on it with the gratuitous, over-the-top, stylized blood and violence you should expect in one of his films. The final 30 minutes is where Django the legend is created. He's now portrayed as a larger-than-life, grandiose character. It's like Tarantino is telling the story of Django not as a first hand account, but as a myth or legend passed on through the years and generations, all the while become more exaggerated and romanticized.

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The last third of it was meh, for me. Prior to that it was the best Tarantino film I'd seen in at least ten years.
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Dan, I liked a lot of things about the movie. The spaghetti western flavor was a big part of it. But really I just thought he did a brilliant job of setting up my sympathy for the protagonists and hatred for the antagonists, such that the bloodbath at the end was sometimes heart-wrenching, sometimes delightful and ultimately very satisfying. A truly great revenge movie.


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Originally posted by T:man:
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Originally posted by Stone_Wolf_:
**SPOILERS**

The wife of the owner? I didn't see it, so my info is second hand.

*SPOILERS*


She is essentially second in command of an incredibly brutal plantation, and is the one who gives the order that Django be sent to a place that is apparently worse then having his balls chopped off.

Not his wife... his SISTER, lol! (The mistake is quite forgivable, since he's clearly boinking her.)
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She was nice to him?!?!? Your friend is sympathetic to someone sitting at the top of that place?

Get new friends, man. This one is either an idiot or evil, or both.

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Maybe I'm remembering what he told me wrong, but my friend is not evil...nor an idiot...most of the time.
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Just saw this, thought it was really good.

Christoph Waltz was easily the star performer of the movie in my opinion. He was utterly delightful, and his Oscar nomination was well-earned.

For a Tarentino movie, I actually thought the blood was on the light side, even with the bloodbath at the end.

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You know the final blowout scene in the manor? At my packed theater, some guy stood up and started clapping when that scene happened, and he glanced around hoping others would follow suit. They didn't, and everyone in my group laughed quietly.

[ January 14, 2013, 12:06 AM: Message edited by: Sa'eed ]

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Interesting note for those who have seen it:

When Leonardo DiCaprio breaks the glass at the dinner table and cuts his hand, it was an accident. He ran with it, and it ended up being the take they used.

Pretty boss.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
Interesting note for those who have seen it:

When Leonardo DiCaprio breaks the glass at the dinner table and cuts his hand, it was an accident. He ran with it, and it ended up being the take they used.

Pretty boss.

I just read about this the other day. Means the blood he smeared on the actress's face was the real deal too. Kinda awesomely icky.
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That was my first thought. I wondered immediately if that broken glass was intentional or not. When he smeared the blood on her face I was like "damn, I hope that was planned." She's a good sport for going along with having an actor wipe his blood all over her. I wouldn't have been keen on that, but it was pretty effective.
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quote:
Originally posted by Sa'eed:
You know the final blowout scene in the manor? At my packed theater, some guy stood up and started clapping when that scene happened, and he glanced around hoping others would follow suit. They didn't, and everyone in my group laughed quietly.

Why didn't they??? It's kind of annoying to stand up, I guess, but the people around me in my theater were rollicking with delight.
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