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AchillesHeel
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Jaime Kilstein is a comedian, a married man, podcaster and politically active.

What else is of interest is that he is trying to bring attention to two personal failings that he only recently admitted to himself and his loved ones. He also has issues with drinking and food. I think this is a great article talking about the American alcohol culture and how people treat men and women differently when it comes to disorders.

The piece is written with a lot character, I hope you guys find this interesting.

Jaime Kilstein.

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Xavier
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What I don't understand is that he can eat like that and remain thin. I'm not trying to trivialize his struggles, but it makes me wonder if he has a metabolic problem.

I myself used to binge like crazy and not gain weight, and it turned out I was extremely hyperthyroid.

(I still struggle to control my binge eating now that my thyroid levels are normal, and so can definitely relate to the rest of it. It's just that now when I binge eat, I gain weight.)

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AchillesHeel
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Binge and purge. I think he has issues with eating until he vomits. Also, jiu jitsu.

In a podcast from just this last week he actually tells a story about before he was vegan with a food disorder, and found out that he could buy Pizza Hut and Taco Bel under one roof. Somehow he didn't recognize his behavior as dangerous until years later.

It is somewhere in the middle, but the rest is fun too.
http://wearecitizenradio.com/2013/09/04/20130904-on-eating-disorders-syria-and-awful-richard-cohen/

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I found that very interesting, and it hits on something I've been thinking about a lot the last couple months regarding men and how we treat their mental health issues, disorders, addictions, and the like. They have neither the culture nor the treatment options available to women when they have problems.

Most just slowly die inside.

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quote:
Originally posted by Xavier:
What I don't understand is that he can eat like that and remain thin. I'm not trying to trivialize his struggles, but it makes me wonder if he has a metabolic problem.

Nah, it's more likely his body just isn't as prone to getting fat as others. Or maybe he works out a lot. As an extreme example, when I was doing Mountain Warfare Training in Bridgeport CA (where it was -20 some days) I was eating about 9000 calories a day and losing a roughly a pound a day regardless. (20k hikes at 11,000 feet wearing 100lb pack and doing sprints while dragging a 220lb dummy is a great way to lose weight) But I also used to eat whatever the hell I wanted to and never had a problem with weight. I'm not skinny like you'd expect from a hyperthyroid person, I have quite a bit of muscle and am well proportioned, my body just doesn't make more fat than necessary. It wasn't until a few years ago I realized how much damage I was doing to my body (intestines in particular) by eating all the junk I did and started eating healthy means in healthy portions. I wouldn't say I was addicted, just careless. It's a lot easier to realize (and criticize) fat people who eat like crap than skinny guys. (who can pretty much get away with it until they start having heart attacks or go into a diabetic coma...)
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AchillesHeel
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He is vegan and trains a lot in jui jitsu. And on his podcast Citizen Radio he has mentioned overeating and working out extra to not feel ashamed.
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quote:
Originally posted by Dogbreath:
As an extreme example, when I was doing Mountain Warfare Training in Bridgeport CA (where it was -20 some days) I was eating about 9000 calories a day and losing a roughly a pound a day regardless. (20k hikes at 11,000 feet wearing 100lb pack and doing sprints while dragging a 220lb dummy is a great way to lose weight) But I also used to eat whatever the hell I wanted to and never had a problem with weight.

This would equate to a metabolic output of 20,000 calories a day (roughly 10,000 calories a pound in human fat). This would mean you were expending (roughly) 80 Kilojoules of energy a day, or roughly 10 times the norm. This is roughly equivalent to running around two and a half marathons a day (and that would be for a rather large person).

It's unlikely you were actually losing that much weight from burning fat, but certainly dehydration may have played a factor. Not calling you a liar, just saying if you actually consumed that much in calories, you must have been a whole hell of a lot of work- which would make me wonder whether you suffered any stress fractures, serious calcium, potassium and sodium deficiencies, and liver problems. 9,000 calories is also a troublesomely large amount of food to consume in one day. It would take a lot of time to do it.

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Orincoro . . . a pound is about 3,500 calories. Where are you getting 10,000?
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Yes, 3500 is the number I've been quoted pretty frequently as well. And no, it's not just from burning fat. It's from burning muscle tissue as well. 9000 calories is roughly 3 cold weather MRE's, and not actually that difficult or time consuming to eat.

As far as energy output: there were plenty of days (and still are plenty of days now) where I did at least the equivilent of a Marathon in physical labor alone. Running is a surprisingly efficient process - snowshoing through and over mountains at high altitudes for ~8 hours with a 100 lb pack, with sprints while dragging an object mixed in... isn't so much. Add to that the intense cold (it takes a rediculous amount of energy to stay warm) and it starts to add up.

I've never had stress fractures personally, though I know a lot of guys who have, or have jacked up their back or knees or ankles. I trained for several months before going, and have been doing similar things for years, during training or deployments. There's always rapid weight loss involved - this is just an example of the most extreme rediculous amounts of food being consumed while still rapidly losing weight.

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Looked it up on Google, most websites quote the 3,500 calorie figure, this website goes a little more in depth and gives a figure of 2,843 to 3,752 calories per pound. Absolutely nowhere can I find 10,000 calories per pound of fat, though.

I've been experiencing intermittent periods of severe weight loss (mostly due to high activity/low caloric intake/extreme temperatures) for the better part of 4 years now, and my body usually averages a pound a day. (Actually quite a bit more right afterwards due to dehydration, but I count what I weigh after about 3 days of return to a normal diet) I doubt it's very good for me. I've certainly experienced a lot more difficulty in digestion than I used to.

The most extreme example I've seen personally is one guy who lost 30 pounds in 2 weeks during a SERE course where he lived on a few rabbits and 2 MREs in harsh conditions.

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quote:
Originally posted by Aros:
Orincoro . . . a pound is about 3,500 calories. Where are you getting 10,000?

That's a good question, maybe I am just misremembering. I think it takes the equivalent metabolic output of 10,000 calories (10,000 liters of water heated by 1 degree centrigrade), to burn one pound of fat. Given that a large number of the calories you burn while exercising are sugars that have not been metabolized into fats, and that you also burn through muscle tissues.
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Nope, ~3500 calories is specifically for a pound of fat. From what I've read, a pound of muscle only contains about 600 calories, which makes muscle a really terrible energy source, and is also why really big guys hate long distance running and any other prolonged aerobic exercise: apparently after a certain point, your body starts burning excess muscle mass (which does nothing but consume energy anyway) before it consumes the rest of the fat, in order to lengthen the amount of time you can survive without food.
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