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Raymond Arnold
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It is April 14th. Take that, Diablo III!

http://www.nickandmore.com/2012/03/14/nickelodeon-upfront-2012/

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Yeeeeeesssss.
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FINALLY! Man. It's way overdue, and the teasers and interviews have been killing me! If it's even half as good as the original I'm going to be thrilled. Thanks for posting this.
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It certainly looks pretty damn sweet, and in only a month:)
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This elicits a manly squee from me, if there is such a thing as a manly squee.
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Raymond Arnold
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There is not. But we love you anyway.
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What about a macho D'awwwww when you see a week old puppy fall asleep standing up? certainly that is masculine!
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That sounds far more plausible.
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Everyone! We can get the premiere episode 20 days early! Just go here and "like" the page on facebook. 100k of that and we get the episode march 24! (8 days from now) We're just above halfway there, and there are a number of ways in addition to "liking" to *up* the counter. If you click around on the paisho board, there are 3 hidden pieces of concept art, each one you find counts as a +1 to the 100k goal.

The link again:

http://www.korranation.com/

(Wow I sound like some viral marketer, I'm not! I promise, just really excited!)

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quote:
Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
FINALLY! Man. It's way overdue, and the teasers and interviews have been killing me! If it's even half as good as the original I'm going to be thrilled. Thanks for posting this.

The animation is extremely good. (There were a number of clips leaked, battle scenes and the like) And the villain is starting to look actually scary. I have no doubt this will be awesome.
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quote:
Originally posted by T:man:
Everyone! We can get the premiere episode 20 days early! Just go here and "like" the page on facebook. 100k of that and we get the episode march 24! (8 days from now) We're just above halfway there, and there are a number of ways in addition to "liking" to *up* the counter. If you click around on the paisho board, there are 3 hidden pieces of concept art, each one you find counts as a +1 to the 100k goal.

The link again:

http://www.korranation.com/

(Wow I sound like some viral marketer, I'm not! I promise, just really excited!)

But then what will I do at the premier party I've already invited people to? :-/.
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Not tell anyone you've already watched it on the nick website [Wink]
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The first episode was leaked due to incompetence on Nick's part.

It is glorious.

(The premiere will be episodes 1 and 2, though)

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I'm tempted to go find it. But I think I'll wait until the big day. Glad to see you like it though.

I've already heard some of the music from it and it sounds great.

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Yeah, don't watch it. It makes it that much harder to wait so long fot the second episode.

I was just coming to say how much I enjoy the music styling. The fight scenes were insanely good. Its amazing how they're able to animate such intricate movements.

There's one thing in particular about Korra's background that is annoying me but since the first episode feels very much like a small piece of a bigger introduction, I'll wait to see if they comment on it more.

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I watched a teaser on the facebook page, is her mount a... polardog?
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Yep!

Polar bear dog.

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Hey, that's my bday! Freaking awesome.

I loved the first show tremendously, but honestly I probably won't watch this until the entire series is over. I hate waiting for new episodes and I watched the entire first series (Avatar: TLA) all in one week (best. week. ever.) and I'd like to just do that again. Supposedly this series is only going to be about 24 episodes (give or take), but who knows. Maybe it will get more?

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It was only supposed to be half that to start. Something tells me Korra won't get more, or if it does, it'll be a new distinct story since these two half seasons are self contained. But at the very least I bet we get more Avatar. Nick loves it, It's wildly popular, and the creators have already said they have a lot more stories to tell.
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It must be popular to survive that dreadful movie.
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Thankfully, it was highly popular BEFORE the movie. It was the highest rated show in Nick's history.

No one who saw the show first then saw the movie would get a bad vibe from a new show. Most of them knew that the creators of the show had nothing to do with the movie.

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Nick is our friend. They're releasing the first TWO episodes this Friday (on the korranation website). It will probably be only streaming quality, but oh well.
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Saw the leaked version online so here's thoughts:

1) The animation reminds me eerily of The Boondocks in animation style, it's very Animesque in the sense that American "anime" tends to see the exaggerated shonen expressions and goes a step further, balanced by higher budget so they luckily don't go super deformed on us like say in Fullmetal Alchemist.

2) The new firenation uniforms are AWESOME, they are pretty much how I was designing uniforms for a militaristic nation in one of my own nation (though mine are black/dark purple not red).

3) Everyone IS KungFU FIghT-ING! *plays music* Lots of fanservicy action (the good kind of fan service) this episode, clearly they want to hook people in and not let them go. Only way for the fighting to have been better is to have Jackie Chan fight Summer Glau.

4) Steve Blum as the antagonist. Nuff' Said.

5) Polar Wolf-Bear-Dog! Stephen Colbert will be hiding under his desk.

6) More Zeppelins! Quasi steampunk!

7) Most Epic Trolling of all time. You all know the moment.

Can't wait for more.

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(Psst it's a polar bear Labrador)
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I'm going with my gut here, as everyone knows there's more nerves in my gut.
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quote:
Only way for the fighting to have been better is to have Jackie Chan fight Summer Glau.
Thanks for making me feel let down, because that will never happen.
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Maybe we could setup a Kickstarter for it.

Every 10k added is an extra minute.

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Considering works like The Tuxedo I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be too hard to convince Chan, its Glau that may be difficult to convince.

Guess what! The Legend of Korra facebook campaign was a success and the two first episodes will be free to watch at korranation.com on saturday.

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Most Epic Trolling of all time. You all know the moment
I'm actually not sure which moment you mean. Or perhaps I don't understand what you mean by trolling. A further hint?

EDIT: Nevermind, I realized what you mean. The scene that contained the phrase "I've been dying to ask you".

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quote:
Originally posted by Aris Katsaris:
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Most Epic Trolling of all time. You all know the moment
I'm actually not sure which moment you mean. Or perhaps I don't understand what you mean by trolling. A further hint?

EDIT: Nevermind, I realized what you mean. The scene that contained the phrase "I've been dying to ask you".

They know their fandom well.
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It was amazing. Truly.

The animation is so smooth, the backgrounds are so beautiful. The voice acting is great, I heard one line that was iffy. The music was so perfect, sort of "what if china invented jazz"

Ooh. I'm so excited for this, it really lived up to the hype, I'm so impressed.

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Okay...get ready, cause I'm about to gush:

I LOVE IT!

The animation is stunning, the music is amazing, it's just as funny as the last one but maintains all the charm and storytelling ability of the original as well.

It's exactly the same and completely different.

I can't wait for more!

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I was very happy to see the Toph statue.
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I was very happy with both the differences and similarities. I will be interested to see both the interstitial history and the way the Avatar being older influences the tone of the show. Additionally, I won't be as annoyed by the romance, since characters are not 12...

I am curious about the anti-bender movement - quite an interesting idea, I think!

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I like the professional bending game they've come up with. It has enough rules and professionalism to make it sound pretty interesting. I'm still not quite sure how the whole rounds versus zones thing works, but I'm guess we'll get more as time goes on.

And the metal benders were awesome!

I'm eager to hear about the interstitial history myself. I'm sure they'll drop some of that on us. I was still hoping Aang managed to find a secret colony of Air Benders, but it looks like somehow the entire race is going to be rebuilt just from Aang's family...though I guess there were never really that many Air Nomads to begin with.

I hope the phonographs guy is the grandson of the cabbage merchant, and we get more of him.

My cabbages!

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quote:
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I like the professional bending game they've come up with. It has enough rules and professionalism to make it sound pretty interesting. I'm still not quite sure how the whole rounds versus zones thing works, but I'm guess we'll get more as time goes on.

The rules explained by Bryan here.
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I came late to this Avatar craze (I only just watched the first episode of the original series last week... and have voraciously watched the rest of the first season by tonight). It's a bit early for me to call myself a fan of the show, but I'm rather liking it.

This Korra series is looking really promising. I am very pleased to see multiple references to the platypus bear, which I consider the most hilariously quotable line from the first season of the original series, trumping even "my cabbages!" I like that they have evolved the setting from the (quasi) medieval roots to a more early-1900s New York feel. It's a great way of doing something new while also showing the flow of time since the original series.

Stellar animation, too. The fight scenes had so much more flow than the original series (which, I must stress, I've only just seen the first season of). The first series did a great job of blending the techniques of Japanese and American animation. It looked like an anime with fewer of the lazy elements of the medium, like lip-flapping, Ken Burnsing, and overly stylized reaction shots, and more of the grace and complexity of American cartoons, with more than one thing happening on screen at a time. The Legend of Korra, however, looks like it could fit in with the Disney animated canon (which is a compliment) in terms of animation quality. I never watched many cartoons, so perhaps I've simply been oblivious to the frontiers in TV animation, but I was genuinely impressed by this.

I waited this long to watch the original series only because when I suggested to my roommate that we watch it, he replied that he had seen it, and he was uninterested because it was "kind of trying to be a kid's show" and "they could have done more with it." (He was unable to elaborate on any details. Now that I've watched the first season of the original show, I should try to weasel out a less vague response.) They certainly have done more with the Legend of Korra so far.

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I think the fight scenes get better in TLA as the show went on. The fights in the finale are downright epic, especially paired with the music. I was holding my breath through long stretches of them.
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It looked like an anime with fewer of the lazy elements of the medium, like lip-flapping, Ken Burnsing, and overly stylized reaction shots, and more of the grace and complexity of American cartoons, with more than one thing happening on screen at a time.

You haven't seen enough anime then. This is really dependent on the Studio. Frankly I'ld argue and did in one of my above posts that Korra and I'll note so did The Boondocks seem to have taken the exaggerated expressions of anime and run with it. Modern!Anime tends to use the eyes more to confer emotion.

If you want complexity go with virtually any Shaft anime from the last 3 years; Madoka Magica and Bakemonogatari/Nisemonogatari come to mind. Though you may want to make a drinking game from the Shaft Head Tilt.

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I waited this long to watch the original series only because when I suggested to my roommate that we watch it, he replied that he had seen it, and he was uninterested because it was "kind of trying to be a kid's show" and "they could have done more with it." (He was unable to elaborate on any details. Now that I've watched the first season of the original show, I should try to weasel out a less vague response.) They certainly have done more with the Legend of Korra so far.

Tell him to watch Transformers Prime it largely resolves the issues he has with Last Airbender. I know what he means, the constant censorship of avoiding saying "die,death,killing" or showing it on screen makes it fairly jarring to have this big war going on but never any casualties or any real actual devastation or destruction. The audience doesn't end up knowing why they should be fighting for things. Is this like a "clean" war like 1870 or is this the Japanese invasion of China with seven million dead?

Its clearly supposed to be the latter but the onscreen evidence seems to do its best to downplay or deflect it. It loses much of its ability to act as a critique on war if it ends up making it look clean, glorious and fun. The problems most modern war films have for instance.

Transformers Prime managed to find a better balance that "works" between being a kids show but still being something of a reconstruction of "Robots fighting each other and they need our help!? AWESOME WHERE DO I SIGN UP!?!" Interestingly they shy away from the films by keeping "official" human presence like the US Military and the Marines fairly minimal, which bugs me a little as I as a Humanist Patriot would feel that if there's anything remotely close to a legitimate use of US military power it would be curbstomping imperialist alien aggressors but the reasoning Optimus gives makes sense; its THEIR war not OUR war and thus they feel they need to do 99% of the work and we should just get out of the way or there would be (as per Movie #3 shows very clearly) unacceptably high human casualties.

Unlike the movies a TV series has more flexibility so if the Humans are to get their chance to go toe to toe it'll very well likely happen eventually and will have the time to properly flesh it out.

Back to Korra, if I have any real criticism for it it's that it feels a little rushed. The sequence near the end of the first episode with Tenzen says no and then saying yes feels like there was no proper development there as well, on the bright side its a good sign that the series will be fast paced with a lot of action, on the minus hand it may mean there's less philosophy, world of cardboard speech buildups and world building.

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They managed to make Avatar pretty deep despite the fact that any killing that might have happened was mostly offscreen. Also keep in mind that the Air Nomads were killed in a genocide, so it wasn't exactly tame. The themes of the story, the character growth, etc, were what I thought were best about the show. I think an adult version where there's more blood and killing might have been more satisfying for a lot of people, and it might have allowed them to explore different issues, but what they chose to focus on was still pretty excellent.

I'm really looking forward to how they do Korra. She's the polar opposite of Aang in a lot of ways. He was really spiritual, and had a hard time some confronting some of the realities of his position. Given that, it was very easy for Aang to master some of the more powerful aspects of being the Avatar, like speaking with past Avatar and dealing with the Avatar State, because as controlled as he was, even he had trouble with his own emotions. Korra comes at it as a wild child, and can't detach herself the way Aang was raised to. So she has to learn the opposite lesson.

Blayne, keep in mind the context of Korra. Originally it was only going to be 10-12 episodes. All killer no filler. So it was always going to be fast-paced. I'm not sure if the extended order allowed them to add more on the end, or if they just sprinkled it throughout, but we can expect this to have far fewer bottle episodes than the old one did.

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12 episodes is something I am on the fence on, generally all of the very best anime I have ever watched (Bakemonogatary and Nisemongatari for instance) were 14 and 10 episodes respectively, on the other hand some of the 12 episode Baker's Dozen seasons have had problems, such as poor pacing, running out of budget early resulting in bad animation of off model frames and development hell. It can be good, it can be terrible, or is can be good yet flawed.

But rarely has there been both an action packed show AND a show that existed to tell a thematically deep story with introspection and significant character arcs etc etc see Madoka Magica as something that managed to accomplish it but they had a genius as a writer.

This second episode that I just finished watching fills me with a lot of hope, character development, action, theme development, it nailed it. What usually happens in anime is a slow few episodes that picks up episode 3 (aka the "Three Episode Test" where any series that's worth watching gets good by the third episode, Another being the exception is it got "okay" episode 3 but only grew the beard episode 6) with then the gradual ride up the roller coaster up until episode 8 or 9 and then WHOOSH down at breakneck speeds, if we're lucky we get the last episode in which to ratched back down as a breather and to close off loose ends.

Korra seems to have been the opposite here, first episode serving as the fast paced action hook with the second episode slowing down a little but still "fast".

As for Avatar doesn't that just underscore my point though regarding how schizophrenic the show is? Sometimes we have genocide and poisonous tea and sometimes we have clean fun action sequences where people fall seemingly safely into water, it's a little jarring in retrospection. It ultimately underscores how GOOD TLA that we don't really notice it but it CAN be possible to be "darker" without being "grimdark of the future there is only WAGH!". Korra seems to solve this by NOT having genocidal wars of conquests and focusing more on abstract threats such as the downtrodden underclass in a fast moving modern setting. Lots of Jackie Chan like action sequences against thugs, criminals and terrorists/freedom fighters without needing to come up with increasingly bizarre and byzantine excuses as to why a battlefield wouldn't have any bodies littering the area.

Now remember I never claimed TLA didn't have themes, in fact my worry about Korra is that they would have less time to explore them to make room for having more action and character development. Resulting in whatever themes they do end up exploring to be done tangentially and metaphorically if it doesn't tie into the main plot. TLA had three seasons so it had time to take it's time and take a look at a bunch of things pertinent to bending and to fill in the gaps of their world, while developing a number of characters. I have confidence Korra will be good and make a good honest effort at doing the same, but the fact is they do have less time, their main advantage is that they don't have to reinvent the wheel and retread old ground already established in the previous series.

Another note, TV Tropes and Genre Convention Knowledge wil ruin your life, my only surprise this episode is that Korra would use the airbending knowledge she acquired so... SOON. I was like "She's totally going to use the airbending thing here to solve a problem any episode now" and bam, 3 minutes later. Makes me suspect she'll 'master' her airbending fairly soon though I'll be further impressed if they do manage to successfully drag it out a bit more.

Now specifically what did I like about this episode? The pro-bending match was interesting though a little repetitive, though this is certainly because I find sports in general to be repetitive so the show did nothing wrong here and served its purpose to give Korra enough time to finally sit down and use her airbending stance to good effect, my only wish is that something more was done to highlight the transition, like an internal monologue or a flash back or something to make her go "AHA!" and have a more specific epiphany instead of just suddenly "doing it" with no warning.

If I the audience goes "Hrrm, if only/she's going to/she should use her airbending thing here" and Korra does in fact do so then Korra should have had a moment in which she thought to herself "I should do this, aha!"

Tenzen asking "Please promise me your teenaged years won't be like this" and the older daughter going ]:| "No promises." was gold. As was the whole Mako's and Totally-Not-Sokka-Promise interactions with Korra was great and very indicative of the show's style. Especially Not!Sokka's interactions both the Bokke and Tsukkomi (manzai if you don't know what that is, it's having two people play off each other usually one is the straightman and the other the "idiot", what they did is more of a Seinfieldian Americanized version) routine with him bailing her from trouble and then the "I'm totally not trying to sound racist But"-deadpan skit. The brother going "... Sigh, you're the avatar and I'm an idiot" was a great establishing moment.


Tenzen really IS a terrible teacher though he displayed the wisdom to notice it when irrevocable proof is shown to him, and the airbenderness of adapting to what is best for Korra. Korra isn't philosphically an airbender, and thus as with Aang to learn airbending she has to adapt the teachings of the basics of airbender, their very most basic basics to suit her own needs; thus from that basis she has a foundation to build from.

For Aang Earthbending collided with him on a basic and fundamental level which Toph recognized was his flighty nature vs the confrontation nature of earthbending. To Earthbend he needed to be able to confront things "head on", in short he needed to learn a different sort of courage.

Airbending is about being adaptable, about following the flow of things, being patient and evasion. Simply trying to find her center and jumping straight to avoiding windmills isnt going to do it.

She gets it, sorta, finally, when shown that there are some mountains that refuse to be climbed and no amount of brute force will overcome it, forcing her to try to find and follow the flow of things because it helps her reach her goal by another means (which is kinda an airbender tenet, finding and trying different solutions to a problem). My problem with the sequence is that we never really see any intermediate steps between "GRR KORRA SMASH PUNY WINDMILLS" and "Zen. I am. There is the way, and it is the Tao." (I exaggerate) which is why I would've preferred some kind of internal realization of "Tch, fine! I'll try it his way..." Relenting on her stubborness makes a good first step, I just wish it was more developed.

Ah Korra, being so tsundere you! I'm calling it now, any romantic development if any will be between her and Mako and entirely bromantic with Not!Sokka.

I still continue to dislike the Air nomad clothing. Firenation's this time around looks really good, Water's is fine and very Canadian. Earth's is too cosmopolitan and diverse to really nail down as a single consistent style. I think Aang looked best in his firenation scrubs.

Not decided on who my favorite character is going to be, I REALLY liked Toph as she was a Badass Deadpan Snarker in the body of a young girl. Being blind was to insure she couldn't single handedly beat up Chuck Norris but right now no one in particular gives me a Toph sort of feeling of woopass in a can.

I like the older daughter of Tenzen but she hasn't had a chance to do anything; Mako is too aloof and lacking in charisma and Not!Sokka is too goofy. Crazy Bush dude in the park while crazy is too much of a one scene wonder at this moment. I'm hoping Jinora (the older daughter) can be this series "Toph".

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It may be a bit subtle and soon to notice, but I appreciate that Korra has an athletic build. Usually when a female character in an animated show is represented as being physical and strong they are still petite and shorter than the men, I can't even remember any women in TLA breaking the short skinny mold. I think its good for a kids show to feature a positive female character who happens to be the antithesis of Katara.

I'm not sold on the polarbeardog, those little back legs creep me out.

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Katara was tall enough for a twelve year old. Keep in mind how much older Korra is than Katara or Toph.

And Kyoshi was massive.

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I meant in terms of personality and disposition, Toph was the only girl who had attitude and it was mostly for comedic moments while Korra's basic character would traditionally be interchangeable with a male character more like Zuko. And like any animation style they have physical archetypes and rules to make sure everything is right, aside from Kyoshi they didn't have any other females who were taller or thicker than the regular male build, barring the older characters who while much shorter were a bit fat.
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Though Suika from Touhou has noticible muscle mass as well ^_^

But yes, Korra looks very athletic and the character designs are all pretty good overall.

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I hope uncle gets a cameo. Best uncle ever. Even the Jackie Chan uncle. Ayaa!
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quote:
Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
Katara was tall enough for a twelve year old. Keep in mind how much older Korra is than Katara or Toph.

And Kyoshi was massive.

Katara was 14. She was only a few years younger than Korra.

That episode where Aang dresses up as Kyoshi was hilarious, with her size 20 shoes.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6a5OHvhQTs
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quote:
Originally posted by Blayne Bradley:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6a5OHvhQTs

Seeing as Blayne did not add a disclaimer, I will. If you click that link and have a soul you will cry.
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Anyone catch Episode 3 today?

Another great one!

And they have a red panda ferret! I love it!

I love how they managed to recapture the Appa/Momo thing with Naga/Ferret thing. The two of them are adorable.

SPOILERS

It seems like they've managed to incorporate almost every element of bending from the original show. They've included lightning bending for power generation, chi blocking for the anti-benders, and even the powerful life energy bending that Aang used on Ozai (which I'm really curious to see where that goes). Though it looks less dramatic than when Aang did it.

Still, are we headed back to the spirit world? Where did he get that ability from?

I like that they've managed to make the Equalists pretty serious badasses. I mean we knew it was possible, since Mai and Ty Lee held their own against the Avatar and his two friends on a daily basis, but now there are a whole team of them, and frankly, it doesn't seem like Mako or what's his name are the equal of Toph and Zuko. And it also comes down to more than pure bending, their martial arts skills (which Aang always excelled at) are coming into play more directly.

Very good start so far. I'm surprised I've gotten sucked in so fast.

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