Well, I'll say it first: I concede Ron's prediction came true. (though I'm speculative about the causal factor)
from Ron in 2009:
quote:Originally posted by Ron Lambert: And just so there is no doubt. I am saying that there will be serious disasters that will certainly fall on America if the decision is made on the national level to allow unions between same-sex couples to be called marriage. I believe it is an absolute certainty. Therefore I have to give this warning. If large meteorites which usually are guided away from inhabited areas, or exploded harmlessly in the upper atmosphere, are allowed to strike inhabited regions, you will know that the angels of God have been ordered to "stand down."
quote:Originally posted by Ron Lambert: ...just as a reminder, I did not say that meteorites would fall on our cities because of any sin. I said that when God's authority as Creator is directly defied by the highest government in the land, there must be consequences, including a major withdrawal of divine protection and blessing. Since we living in a shooting gallery in our solar system, this is a vital necessity, which we can scarcely afford to do without.
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Speculative? Haha, his "Theory" is hogwash. Although it's definitely possible we lose our barrier at some point. Only it will be due to science, not some religious bullflop.
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Yo hey so I want to just stop for a second and like back up for the full view and just like, okay, I want you to really like go back and read Ron's and Occasional's posts and I want you to just for a second remember what kind of stuff it is we are looking at, okay? What it really entails. It is insanely terrifying, like, profoundly, okay, no jokes, all seriousness. Anybody who isn't gay should stop and take a second and think about what it would be like to be in a situation that gays are in, still. still. To have a big old chunk of america's religious fundamentalists — people who have had a disproportionately ridiculous presence in governance, natch — who are trying to legislate you as second-class citizens and oppress you because they consider the practice of your sexuality to be filth and sin and abomination that must be kept from children and legislating you as oppressively as they can get away with because they legitimately believe stuff like "if we let you get married, god will stop protecting us from meteors"
like just step back and imagine how absurdly terrifying this is.
like for real okay
and remember that they constantly complain that they are being oppressed by people's harsh inconsiderate words about their beliefs
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Anyway guys I have to say, I am really terribly sorry to all the people of Russia that I have advocated secular rationality in governance and the aggressive confrontation and challenging of anti-gay policy and attitudes in order to strangle it out over my generation and replace it with tolerant and nondiscriminatory attitudes. It is because of my callous disrespect for our Creator's teachings and the sanctity of marriage that you now have some broken windows and like, a zinc plant lost some of its roof. Sorry, we really Dovered you. Sorry. We'll fix marriage and the sabbath right away so god will stop hitting us violently with chunks of rock to show His displeasure (and love of course)
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What's interesting is that same-sex marriage is not legal anywhere in Russia at the moment. Maybe God missed?
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Dinosaurs didn't even have a legal system as far as we know, and they got obliterated by a very large meteor.
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i don't think dinosaurs obeyed either the sabbath or proper marriage, so of course they had to be lovingly taught the error of their ways
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So conversely, were the mammals given a big jump start evolutionarily speaking (ala asteroid) because they did observe the sabbath and proper marriage?
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quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: What's interesting is that same-sex marriage is not legal anywhere in Russia at the moment. Maybe God missed?
Well, no. The Russians don't really count, you know? As people, I mean. This was the equivalent of God stomping on America's sack lunch while shouting "this is your face, United States!". I pity you if you are blind to that, Tom.
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Thanks god I checked this thread and realized that the Jesus-Fire-God-Shield that guides the asteroids away is dwindling because of surprise butt-sects. I'm so relieved to know this.
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Yeah Russia is a fairly religious country with Orthodox Christianity having significant political pull.
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Silly, the Dinosaur's were wiped out by asteroids because they promoted evolution, daring to leave their bones to be fossilized and all.
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quote:Originally posted by Anthonie: With Friday's news about the Chelyabinsk meteor event, I keep checking in to Hatrack for mass concessions about one of Ron's predictions coming true...
Maybe I missed the discussion?
Well, I'll say it first: I concede Ron's prediction came true. (though I'm speculative about the causal factor)
from Ron in 2009:
quote:Originally posted by Ron Lambert: And just so there is no doubt. I am saying that there will be serious disasters that will certainly fall on America if the decision is made on the national level to allow unions between same-sex couples to be called marriage. I believe it is an absolute certainty. Therefore I have to give this warning. If large meteorites which usually are guided away from inhabited areas, or exploded harmlessly in the upper atmosphere, are allowed to strike inhabited regions, you will know that the angels of God have been ordered to "stand down."
quote:Originally posted by Ron Lambert: ...just as a reminder, I did not say that meteorites would fall on our cities because of any sin. I said that when God's authority as Creator is directly defied by the highest government in the land, there must be consequences, including a major withdrawal of divine protection and blessing. Since we living in a shooting gallery in our solar system, this is a vital necessity, which we can scarcely afford to do without.
Do we need to have the discussion about fortune tellers, generalities, selective memory, and a willingness of believers to bend predictions to suit reality?
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I'm on the side that a meteorite striking an inhabited area as predicted in Ron's quotes was not due to angels "stand[ing] down". It was a natural phenomenon that occurred quite independent of human behavior.
Nevertheless, it was actually a prediction that did come true...
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There will be an earthquake of >6.0 magnitude on the Richter scale sometime in the next five years in the Eastern hemisphere.
There, a prediction that will almost certainly come true which doesn't actually say much at all for my predictive skill, and for which I should receive no credit for making. Unless the point is to draw me out for more 'predictions'.
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quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh: There will be an earthquake of >6.0 magnitude on the Richter scale sometime in the next five years in the Eastern hemisphere.
You didn't get it right. It's <broadly applicable prediction> therefore <supernatural assurance about what this entails>
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quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh: Unless the point is to draw me out for more 'predictions'.
You're kinda close here. I was hoping Ron would jump in with his take on it after the meteor hit. I was rather surprised he hadn't already posted about it. I don't recall reading anything from him about what he thinks after he feels one of his predictions has come true. Usually his argument, when he chooses to engage, has been about what he meant versus what he wrote.
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Just a small reminder, here: Ron's "prediction" in this case is not worth notice, unless we're going to call predicting a relatively common event -- meteorites striking urban areas -- something unusual. (Then again, for Ron, it might be.) Meteorites strike urban areas all the time; the front page of Digg at this very moment features a story describing an event in 1992 when one destroyed the rear end of a teenager's car. I suppose it's possible that upstate New York was particularly undefended by God in the early '90s.
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That's true, they do hit urban areas. There are even reports of meteorites killing people and/or animals in the past few centuries, I believe. (Sorry, no specific references at the moment, but I do recall reading about them.)
The Chelyabinsk meteorite was the first of which I'm aware that reported such widespread damage to an inhabited area (miles of broken glass), and that seemed to match the spirit of Ron's prediction.
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Question on a side note regarding the meteorite's speed (estimated at least 33,000 mph):
For any physics-minded folks out there, I'm curious: Isn't that rather fast for a meteorite? I don't think any object falling through the atmosphere would reach such a high speed due only to earth's gravity, correct? If anything, wouldn't the Chelyabinsk meteorite have slowed down upon collision with the atmosphere? That's a pretty darn fast rock! It's amazing how powerful the sonic boom was from such a relatively small object.
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That's a bit faster than earth escape velocity. It doesn't seem wildly fast for something that is falling through the solar system.
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your typical meteoroid hits the atmosphere at somewhere around, I think, 40 to 50 thousand miles per hour.
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quote:Originally posted by Thesifer: Ahh religion, such good comic relief, if it weren't so damned annoying.
Ah, religious hatred. Annoying, and also not suitable for comic relief.
As long as you show the same respectful deference to my imaginary friends, I will always agree to show the same to yours.
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quote:Originally posted by Thesifer: Ahh religion, such good comic relief, if it weren't so damned annoying.
Ah, religious hatred. Annoying, and also not suitable for comic relief.
As long as you show the same respectful deference to my imaginary friends, I will always agree to show the same to yours.
The beings I believe in are not imaginary to me, so I'm afraid I will have to decline your proposed arrangement. I'm perfectly willing to respect the beliefs you hold dear, regardless of whether you extend me the same courtesy.
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quote:Originally posted by Thesifer: The beliefs I hold dear are to not impose religious belief on me, nor my kids. If you do that, you're not someone I have a problem with.
If on the other hand you support treating gays as second class citizens, etc. then I do.
As someone who others could probably tell you believes many of the things (your posts would suggest) you believe...perhaps the most effective way of reassuring people you have no quarrel with them isn't to broadly insult them twice, and then qualify the insult with ways in which you might or might not have meant them.
In other words, you can think (aloud, even) that their various deities are imaginary, mistaken, or false without being quite such a schmuck about it.
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quote:Originally posted by Thesifer: The beliefs I hold dear are to not impose religious belief on me, nor my kids. If you do that, you're not someone I have a problem with.
If on the other hand you support treating gays as second class citizens, etc. then I do.
That's a pretty short list of beliefs you hold dear. But if that's the only one, it won't be difficult to adhere to that.
I can also handle not treating homosexuals like second class citizens. Can you handle not treating me like a second class person?
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Was it lynching or Skydaddy that got my post yanked?
Anyway, I was curious.
Mormon men get their own planet to play god in eventually. Mormon women get to vacuum the celestial carpet or something. If my whole family Mormons up and we all become gods, do we get to see each other once we're running our own planets?
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quote:Originally posted by Tittles: Was it lynching or Skydaddy that got my post yanked?
Anyway, I was curious.
Mormon men get their own planet to play god in eventually. Mormon women get to vacuum the celestial carpet or something. If my whole family Mormons up and we all become gods, do we get to see each other once we're running our own planets?
If you weren't being an arrogant, condescending douchebag someone could explain this to you. I won't waste my time.
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quote:Was it lynching or Skydaddy that got my post yanked?
Why couldn't it be both? I would say it was because it was childish and stupid, but neither of those are against the rules. But I do hope you continue trying on the one hand, as it will hasten the arrival when you're no longer credited with being a real member and banned. On the other hand, you *do* make the team look bad just by common thinking.
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quote:Originally posted by Tittles: Was it lynching or Skydaddy that got my post yanked?
Anyway, I was curious.
Mormon men get their own planet to play god in eventually. Mormon women get to vacuum the celestial carpet or something. If my whole family Mormons up and we all become gods, do we get to see each other once we're running our own planets?
You know what you are doing. If you want to remain on this board you will stop doing it. If you will not, well I can accommodate that too.
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