posted                   

quote:

---

Originally posted by Derrell:
Can we at least agree that he's out of his alleged mind?

---

Posts: 14316 | Registered: Jul 2005  |  IP: Logged | 

posted                   

quote:

---

Originally posted by GaalDornick:
No. He was arrested for a domesti dispute. Pointing a shotgun at his girlfriend is alleged.

---

Posts: 17164 | Registered: Jun 2001  |  IP: Logged | 

posted                   

quote:

---

Originally posted by Rakeesh:

quote:

---

Originally posted by GaalDornick:
No. He was arrested for a domesti dispute. Pointing a shotgun at his girlfriend is alleged.

---

It's redundant because it's common knowledge that this is how American law works. You might as well say 'the election was decided by voting'.

---

Posts: 21898 | Registered: Nov 2004  |  IP: Logged | 

posted                   

quote:

---

in the four months since his acquittal, Zimmerman has had several more brushes with the law—three for traffic offenses and one over an allegedly violent showdown with his estranged wife Shellie, who announced in September that she was divorcing him.

Ironically, it was Samantha Schiebe who was at Zimmerman’s side when his estranged wife called police to her parents’ home in Lake Mary on September 9. (The couple has been living together since August.) But on Monday, it was Scheibe’s turn to call 911.

“When we arrived, the victim indicated that she and George Zimmerman were having a verbal dispute and at that time she alleged that he had broken a table and pointed a long-barrel shotgun at her,” said Lemma.

She worked her way to the front door of the residence and dialed emergency services on her cell phone, whereupon Zimmerman “pushed her out the front of the residence and then barricaded the front door with some furniture.”

When sheriff’s deputies arrived three minutes or so later, Scheibe gave them a key to let themselves in. They pushed their way past the barricade and found Zimmerman, who appeared by that point to have shed his aggression. “The easiest way to describe it is ‘rather passive,’” said Lemma, describing the accused’s demeanor. “He offered no resistance and cooperated the entire time.”

Lemma added: “We don’t know exactly what the argument was about. We believe it was about some type of separation from the relationship.”

Recordings of 911 calls released Monday night reveal that, according to Zimmerman, the argument stemmed from the news that Scheibe is pregnant with his child. Police had earlier denied reports that she is pregnant. Scheibe herself did not mention it during her 911 call.

"I need police right now," she is heard pleading. "He's in my house breaking all my things because I asked him to leave. He has his frickin' gun breaking all my stuff right now," adding in an aside to Zimmerman: "You just broke my glass table, you broke my sunglasses and you put your gun in my frickin' face and told me to get the **** out—but this isn't your house."

"He has everything of mine inside," she tells the despatcher after allegedly being pushed out of the front door by Zimmerman. "He knows how to do this. He knows how to play this game."

Once he saw police arrive on the doorstep, and knock on the front door, Zimmerman decided that he would get his version out too. "My girlfriend has, for lack of a better word, gone crazy on me," he claimed, volunteering a claim that he never produced or displayed a firearm but that in the course of her "throwing my stuff" one may have come into view. So where is it now, the despatcher asked him. "It's in a bag. Locked," he responded.He added: "She's pregnant with our child and she told me I'm better co-parenting if she raises the child on her own and that's fine. I said 'Is that what you want to do?' and she said 'Yes.' So as soon as I started packing up my stuff to leave she completely changed...She just started smashing stuff, taking stuff that belonged to me...she broke the glass table because she just threw something at it. She got mad, I guess, that I told her that I'd be willing to leave. I guess she thought I was going to argue with her but she's pregnant, I'm not going to put her through that kind of stress."

Asked by the despatcher why he did not just open the door to the police, who can be heard in the background knocking on the door, he answers: "I just want everyone to know the truth." So talk to them, the despatcher urges him, to which Zimmerman responds: "They're pretty upset, I think. They're banging on the door and the window. I don't have anything to say."

Zimmerman was ordered to take anger management classes in 2005 after a run-in with a police officer who was arresting a friend for drunkenness and later the same year was the subject of a restraining order by a girlfriend who accused him of domestic violence. Zimmerman filed a counter restraining order, accusing her of the same.

The controversial not-guilty murder verdict in July relating to Martin’s death left Zimmerman feeling “invincible,” his estranged wife, Shellie, claimed in a September 26 interview on NBC’s Today show, after announcing that she was divorcing him.

She was once so devoted to her husband that she had lied to a judge under oath while testifying about their joint finances in the lead-up to the murder trial in Sanford—a perjury that earned her a year’s probation and 100 hours community service. Now she was “starting to see things differently” and doubting his innocence, she ceded, adding: “I don’t know the person that I’ve been married to.”

He had become selfish—“George is all about George,” she said—and had been making “reckless decisions” such as posing for smiley-faced photos at a gun factory in Cocoa, Florida, while shopping for a new weapon.

But Steve Bracknell, chief of Lake Mary Police Department, went further in his assessment of Zimmerman in a September 10 email to Santiago Rodriguez, a concerned resident who had contacted him to complain over the department’s failure to arrest Zimmerman for his bust-up with his estranged wife the previous day.

The chief agreed with Rodriguez’s assessment that Zimmerman was a “ticking time bomb” and a “Sandy Hook, Aurora, waiting to happen.”

“REST ASSURED…the last thing on planet earth I want is ANY relationship with the Zimmermans. PERIOD,” Bracknell wrote, confirming that Zimmerman had punched his father-in-law on the nose and smashed his estranged wife’s iPad over his knee on September 9, but that both alleged victims had declined to press charges.

“In hindsight, I should’ve and I really regret that,” Shellie Zimmerman later stated. “But I’m on probation and the officers made it very clear that day if I pressed charges we were all going to go to jail and I would’ve been the only one to stay there.”

Zimmerman is now inmate number 201300012785 at the John Polk Correctional Facility in Sanford, Florida—the same jail in which he was held during some of the lead-up to his July trial. He is being checked on hourly in his single-occupancy, 64-square-foot cell.

---

Posts: 15421 | Registered: Aug 2005  |  IP: Logged | 

posted                  

quote:

---

Originally posted by Samprimary:
Yeah, and to emphasize, with that hypothetical, you can't just assume he's a "nice guy" (cue deus ex trilby). You have to assume he was a nice guy AND what happened was that he "found himself" in a bad situation. Legitimately. Which means that within a reasonable standard he did not recklessly escalate a situation through aggressive provocation that turned into an altercation and deadly force use came into the equation out of panic.

---

Posts: 891 | Registered: Feb 2010  |  IP: Logged |