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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
 
In the spirit of this thread, I wanted to start up a death scence one, how morbid. [Wink]

[EDIT: Papa Moose makes a good point here (thanks by the way [Smile] ) SPOILERS ARE UNDOUBTLY GOING TO SHOW UP IN THIS THREAD. Thank-you [Big Grin] ]

I'm not sure about mine, but maybe Joseph Smith's death in Saints. I don't know what it was but something really reached me in that scence. Maybe I'll post another powerful death scence later (OSC writes some good ones, I wonder what that means;)).

Hobbes [Smile]

[ May 01, 2003, 02:15 AM: Message edited by: Hobbes ]
 
Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
 
I suppose anyone entering this thread ought to know there could be spoilers galore, and they deserve what they read.

Ferret in Songmaster.

--Pop
 
Posted by Goeke (Member # 5061) on :
 
I thought Ender's death and rebirth in Peter was handled very well, but nothing beats the shock of the first time the pequeninos flayed someone.

Hopefully, Card can handle Bean's death in a suitable manner, since it's almost inevitable.
 
Posted by Lilandra (Member # 4425) on :
 
I was going to say the same. I liked Ender's death but... well, maybe it wouldn't be considered as a death, but it moved me anyway. The most shocking, Pipo's and Libo's death in speaker for the death, and Gaballufix in the memory of the earth.

[ May 01, 2003, 07:43 AM: Message edited by: Lilandra ]
 
Posted by Promethius (Member # 2468) on :
 
Gaballufix's was definitely the best death scene in my opinion. I liked how Naffi cut off that rat bastards head. But it was very graphic
 
Posted by Amka (Member # 690) on :
 
There is like about a thousand of them in one story [Razz]
 
Posted by Cassandra (Member # 4566) on :
 
Treasure Box- when Rowena has to kill her own daughter, Roz, to get rid of the beast. That was very moving in my opinion.
 
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
 
Someone has to say this- Quim. I think it was most moving because you get to know and admire him so much, he's just one of those totally human, totally beautiful characters, and you can't even mourn because he wanted to die that way.
 
Posted by Nick (Member # 4311) on :
 
It didn't stop me from feeling sad. [Frown]
 
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
 
It wasn't a "death" scene, but the rape in Hart's Hope was damn shocking.
 
Posted by Nick (Member # 4311) on :
 
*thinks of reading harts hope*

No bookstores where I live have very many OSC books. It took me 3 months on a waiting list just to get most of the books in the Alvin and Homecoming series. [Frown]

I would order it online but I don't want to waste money on the shipping. Maybe I'll see it somewhere, someday... [Frown]
 
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
 
Used bookstores?

I only have the one copy or I'd lend it to you.

I've lost track of how many times I have lent out EG and then had to turn around and buy a new copy. I figure it's community service . . . [Wink]

[ May 03, 2003, 12:13 AM: Message edited by: Shan ]
 
Posted by Nick (Member # 4311) on :
 
Me too! I have "loaned" out 3 copies of Shadow of the Hegemon. [Frown]
 
Posted by kwsni (Member # 1831) on :
 
It's not a death scene, exactly, but the end of Lost Boys is heartbreaking.

Ni!
 
Posted by Magson (Member # 2300) on :
 
Amka, are you referring to the "Thousand Deaths" story in Maps in a Mirror?
 
Posted by Amka (Member # 690) on :
 
Yah.
 
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
 
Is that the one where the guys gets killed horribly, then cloned, then killed horribly agian, until they give up?
 
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
 
Hmm. Finally a good argument for cloning... we can actually get justice for multiple murderers. Was that by any chance the point of said story?
 
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
 
No, it was political brainwashing, sorry, that's a really good idea. It was a rather disturbing story though.
 
Posted by Peruru Dragoon (Member # 2545) on :
 
When Hoom and Cammar fall down the side of the cliff in the Worthing Saga.
 
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
 
Quim is excellent.

I'd also propose Bonzo for consideration, even if it is from Ender's POV.

-Bok
 
Posted by Javertv (Member # 4793) on :
 
Sister Carlotta's good-bye letter to Bean. Very powerful. Breaks down both the character, stoic as he is, and the reader as well.
 
Posted by Nick (Member # 4311) on :
 
quote:
I'd also propose Bonzo for consideration, even if it is from Ender's POV.

Don't totally flame me, but what does the acronym "POV" mean?
 
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
 
point of view, sweetie
 
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
 
When Suriawong gave Achilles the knife. I had a mental double-take, then went "duh, of course that would happen." It was kind of Potter-esque.
 
Posted by WedgeAntilles (Member # 5154) on :
 
The trouble with reading these threads is that I find out information before I read the book. I started reading The Memory of Earth but had to put it aside to read the new Star Wars but now I know that Naffi kills Gaballufix. My next choice of OSC was going to be Treasure Box. Oh, well.

I have only read two other OSC books - The Lost Boys and Homebody. I had such an emotional reaction to The Lost Boys I am surprised that I am still reading his books. I like the deaths that we don't know about until after the occur.
 
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
 
I've finished reading The Worthing Saga recently, and I found one I'd totally forgotten. It's perhaps, the emotional one I've read.

SPOILERS
When Hoom dives after his child and forgives his wife and friend... [Cry]

Hobbes [Smile]
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
Quim, hands-down. And Hoom after that.
 
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
 
I personally think Hoom's was better (OK, "better" [Wink] ) but Quim's was pretty intense. I really likes it when Ender explains about Speaking for Quim too. [Cool]

Hobbes [Smile]
 
Posted by TwosonPaula (Member # 5511) on :
 
This may not count as a death scene, persay, but
I consider it one. When Dinah falls down the stairs in "Saints" and lands on her baby, then she feels it die. I almost threw up and I cried all night long. (I was pregnant.) [Cry]
 
Posted by Stradling (Member # 1182) on :
 
Stevie, for me.

I have a bright and beautiful son.

Alden
 
Posted by Vash2382 (Member # 5494) on :
 
I don't know it it would count as a death but I cried for hours when Val died at the end of the ender saga. It was just soooo sad [Cry] and it would have been cruel if it haden't been nessecary.
 
Posted by sliny (Member # 5460) on :
 
Planter. His death is so drawn out, and he so greatly desires to free himself from the descolada, and to be a hero like Rooter and Human. And the silent tree that grew from his body made his death that much more emotional.
 
Posted by Ryan Hart (Member # 5513) on :
 
As a HUGE fan of the Shadow series, I think it would either be a. Achilles death. It was very fitting, and his epitah was incredible. or B. Satiyagi the Indian battle schooler who stood up to Achilles and was killed.
 
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
 
I think the death of the only living child of the Wyrm and Patience at the end of Wyrms was very emotional, partly because of the very emotional response of Sken. Was the child the equivilant of the Christ Child? did they murder it for their own survival? hmm... Was Wyrms based on a religious work? i almost assume it was, based on the prevelant themes, but it would be interesting to know for sure.
 
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
I'm willing to throw in a vote for Quim, but the most moving/powerful death scene for me was right at the beginning of Seventh Son. (Was his name Vigor? I'm having a memory lapse.) What a way to start a book, I get breathless just thinking of it.
 
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
 
Man, I never realized how many of them there were....

Hoom.
Quim.
Vigor.
Carlotta's letter
Achille's was good, because it was so simple.

I'll think of more later.
 
Posted by IanO (Member # 186) on :
 
I have to 3rd Hooms death.

And 2nd Dinah's loss of her child after falling down the stairs. It made me sick too.

The planting of Human was beautifully cathartic.

Kemal's death at the hands of Pizarro's men in Pastwatch. Very cool. He got to be the man whose will (and death) changed the world (by buying time for Diko and Hunapu's plan to work.)

The death of Ensel Mueller in the Forest of Kuiu Keie(sp?). Actually, that whole part in the forest, when Sarenna disconnects in her own way as well, and Lanik realizes how alone he is, is heartbreakingly written.

The Massacre at Tippy-Canoe. "Come to me, my people." Makes me want to cry.
 
Posted by JennaDean (Member # 8816) on :
 
Wow, I have a lot to go back and re-read.

Well, this is a thread full of spoilers, but: SPOILER ALERT anyway.

The one death that has stayed with me through the years (even though I only read it once) was Stevie, in The Lost Boys. His "death scene" itself wasn't graphically shown, but the fact that he died struck me so hard ... I had really connected with that family, and I've never forgotten how I felt for the weeks following reading that book.
 
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
 
Not exactly a death scene, but I thought that the scene in Pastwatch where they were actaully sent back was especially poignant.
 
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by BandoCommando:
Man, I never realized how many of them there were....

Hoom.
Quim.
Vigor.
Carlotta's letter
Achille's was good, because it was so simple.
Kemal.
Human.
Ender/Jane and their near-death and reincarnation into other bodies.
I was even touched by the death of Han Fei-Tzu's wife at the beginning of Xenocide, seeing how it shaped the life of her daughter from thence forth.
Chris Colombus's death was touching, but not as powerful as others.
In Lost Boys, I had to do a mental double and triple-take, then go back and re-read a few pages when I realized that Stevie was dead.

OH! In Enchantment, Father Lukas' death was pretty darn good, too. If I remember correctly, he died to save the life of Sergei, his despised cleric.

Gabbalufix's murder was certainly a deep, moral read.


I tell ya what, though. I can't WAIT to read about Alvin's death - it's bound to be a good one.

I'll think of more later.


 
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
 
Whoops...that last was supposed to be an edit of my 1st post.

Ah well, forget it
 
Posted by cheiros do ender (Member # 8849) on :
 
This thread has made me realise how much my memory sucks. [Frown]
 
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by BandoCommando:
Whoops...that last was supposed to be an edit of my 1st post.

Ah well, forget it

You're able to go back and delete the posts you didn't want.
 
Posted by Nikisknight (Member # 8918) on :
 
As for moving in a stomache churning way, Mebekew killing Vas in Earthfall, definately.
Everytime a "good" character dies, it's usually very moving.

edit: wrong characters the first time.

[ February 10, 2006, 09:07 PM: Message edited by: Nikisknight ]
 


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