I'm worried about the Ender's Game movie. I'm worried that it's going to be too difficult pulling off the presentation of brilliant and aggressive/violent CHILDREN on screen without it seeming too fake. I think that we'll be able to deal well enough with the geniousness... we all loved D.A.R.Y.L., right? But I worry that violent children will be a real turn off to moviegoers. I can't think of any movie with aggressive-kid that I've ever liked. Can you?
Posted by Zamphyr (Member # 6213) on :
God no, I hated D.A.R.Y.L.
I did like the Omen, and that kid seemed aggresive, being son of Satan and all.
Everytime I think about this movie, I keep thinking, in 20 years, maybe they could film it on location in a Branson orbiting hotel. Posted by raventh1 (Member # 3750) on :
I really think this is the reason it has taken so long to come out; Not just the issues with the script, but issues with finding children actors, and ways to make it work.
I think they are doing thier best, and with card I know it will be good.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
As I believe the movie is with the screenwriters right now...
I was watching X2 the other night and thinking about how much I really like the Wolverine story arc.
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
One thing I wonder about is the basic, though little, profanity and nudity in Ender's Game... It would be difficult to do it all properly as intended...
Posted by Achilles_de_Flandres (Member # 6672) on :
Maybe they could pump up their age (say approx. average 15). And have them wearing stuff all the time instead. Have them say things like fudge, shut, heck, or just cut out swearing.
BTW, the X2 writers have handed in three screenplays and are now done with it, and another writer is to be announced.
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
Well, he's not going to let them turn the children into teenagers. From what I've read, he's already turned down offers from movie makers before because they wanted to do just that. So you can bet they're going to stay children.
As for keeping them clothed all the time, I suspect they probably will. Of course there was nothing wrong, or even at all unusual, given the context, about the nudity in the book. But film is a different matter. Describing a child as naked using only text is one thing, but actually showing a real child naked on film is quite another. I don't think there's any way they could do it--especially with Petra!--that wouldn't cause outrage and ridiculous accusations of child pornography. I strongly suspect they will be keeping them clothed; in skivvies at the very least.
quote:Have them say things like fudge, shut, heck,
Oh, dear god, no. That would be the worst thing they could do. It would be so fake, and corny, that I don't think the movie could survive. Besides, I don't think the public is really all that shocked by hearing children swear anymore. Just don't make it happen so often that it takes over the movie. Or, as you say, leave it out altogether. As a Great Writer once said, "euphemisms are often worse than the crudities they replace, because they make both the story and the character seem pretty silly. Either use indecorous language or don't use it--don't try to simulate it, because, unless you have more genius than I've ever heard of, it just won't work."
Posted by trance (Member # 6623) on :
I don't think there will be a whole lot of swearing to begin with. As I can recall, majority of the insults where cheesy lines like "fart-eater" and "bugger-lover". Few of these where used in Ender's Shadow. Maybe Mr.Card realised that these insults just didn't appeal to the general public and seemed retarted even though such insults can be seen coming from a child of that age. As for the clothes-that's nothing more than common sense. The age of the children-a problem. Children grow extremly fast. They have got to find the children, act out the sceens and screenplays all before the children outgrow thier character profiles! Bean is going to be the hardest challenge (if they decide to actually make in look half his age). I have hopes that'll it'll all work out and know doubt Wolfgang Peterson's got it all figured out already.
Posted by pwiscombe (Member # 181) on :
As long as Jake Lloyd and Haley Joel Osment do a good job in their dual roles it should be ok.
Maybe the best thing to do would be to do it as anime.
<- Ducks head and runs for cover.
[ October 12, 2004, 04:58 PM: Message edited by: pwiscombe ]
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
You know... Perhaps not an Anime but one really good 3D animation movie, I mean, Final Fantasy: The spirits within wasn't that good movie wise... But perhaps an animation style like that could work well...
Bah... *leaps under the same cover as pwiscombe*
Posted by dread pirate romany (Member # 6869) on :
Please say you were joking about Jake Lloyd.
Posted by Defenestraitor (Member # 6907) on :
Why? Wasn't he already casted? I thought...
<---ducks!! Posted by Achilles_de_Flandres (Member # 6672) on :
Actually, they've decided that Jake Lloyd and Haley Joel Osment will both be too old when it's time for filming (sigh of relief). It's been said that the best choice is to pick an unknown kid to play Ender (and the jeesh).
Posted by Goody Scrivener (Member # 6742) on :
Hooray!!!! I'd much rather see a group of heretofore unknowns get their big exposures than have those two.
Posted by Bean Counter (Member # 6001) on :
I just think that leaving out the all important first murder is watering the story, total sell out. We should all lobby for it. It takes guts to stick to the story and the quality that got Ender chosen, his 'go for the win, never the tie' attitude.
Whoever they get to be Ender he should have to act the schoolyard fight and show himself to be the viscious killer at the core Ender is.
And the Generals should have to nod and say "That is the boy we want! That is the right combination of Genius and Violence for the great project."
BC
Posted by Sid Meier (Member # 6965) on :
Okay, interesting concerns, finding child actors age 6 and up will be a challenge since you'ld need a couple dozen and probably would have to be geniouses in reality probably to do it. The having them teenagers is interesting but it won't fit in with the story at all. As for swearing, leave it be they'll either have bugger-lover+ other swears or they won't, it doesn't really matter imo. As for the actors themelves I really can't give an opinion here but I can say that the best actor for Graff would be Patrick Stewart, his on screen character seems to fit. Now has anyone ever seen any Gundam series? It usually involves children/teenagers piloting mobile suits for warfare but the point is anime may be a good idea if you can get the right artists to do it and I mean serious anime not the cliche kind also you wouldn't have to find child actors just actors who can sound like children. But all of this doesn't matter it just my opinion and I hope the movie is released, I'll be the first one in line for it and if any of you just happen to be infront of me there's going to be an "industrial accident." lol, just kidding I'll probably be early enough to get my perfect seat. smack dab in the middle of the theater so I don't have to move my head.
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
Here's one, what about the children's accents? Petra is from Armenia, Dink is from... somewhere, and Bean is from Rotterdam.
How would they do this well?
Posted by Napster-{KD}- (Member # 6967) on :
I didn't know they were making a movie, but I hope that they do make it appealing, because I'd most likely want to see it myself. The Ender's Game book was the book that got me hooked on Mr. Card. I hope it turns out great!
-Napster-{KD}-
Posted by Brian_Berlin (Member # 6900) on :
Marionettes!!!
Posted by Napster-{KD}- (Member # 6967) on :
or puppets like the good old thunderbirds, lol
Posted by trance (Member # 6623) on :
I really don't think that they'll try to find acters at the ages of six but more likely around the ages of ten or so (except maybe Bean). This would make more sense and ultimately prove easier. But like I said earlier, Card is only writing the script and not even the final script, it'll be Mr. Peterson (the director) that'll have the final say in all these matters-not so much Card.
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
When's it to be released? 2007 or so?
Posted by Napster-{KD}- (Member # 6967) on :
good question, though i guess it all depends on how fast the actors/actresses are found, when the script is finished, and whether the funding for the movie keeps production moving along.
-Napster-{KD}-
Posted by ArCHeR (Member # 6616) on :
2006 was the last date I saw...
Posted by trance (Member # 6623) on :
Yeah, that was the last date I saw too-2006. But there's always delays and such a movie as this will probably run into problems (kinda like what this forum's about!)
Posted by Sid Meier (Member # 6965) on :
Fill in the blanks
Petra = Armenia Bean = Greece Surly = Thailand Ender = Americain/Polish origins Dink = Netherlands Hot Soup = China Shen = Japan Rose de Nose = Israel? Vlad = Belorus (or White Russia, just north of the Ukrain) Fly Molo = Ambul = Thailand Carn Carby = I'm thinking either England, america or Canada
Posted by notbeinguseful (Member # 7020) on :
i have read all the ender novels and all the shadow ones (except giant, of course). i am also a "casual fan" of anime.
Many people are still trying to get used to taking animation seriously or they don't like the anime aesthetics. And I don't mean take seriously as in 'wow, Finding Nemo made a lot of money'. Watch "Ghost In the Shell 2". It is beautiful, deeply philosophical, and has good action scenes.
People just need to stop calling them "cartoons". Anyone who's seen "Serial Experiments Lain" can tell you that anime can convey the complex psychological states Ender experiences. Also, using animation, perhaps a broken arm or a slippery shower brawl could be more accepted than kids in live action going at it-- and more true to the novel.
I think anime would in fact be the best medium for an ender movie, since it would offer good deal of control over the characters' ages (6-12ish is a lot of time to cover), Buggers would be very sweet, the battle room scenes would be more engaging, and sequels(!) would be much easier to do. (If the first doesn't flop, I wouldn't mind watching Ender growing old while his kids and brain-kids save the world)
... and it would be easier to make Graff get fatter periodically Posted by Sid Meier (Member # 6965) on :
I agree 101%! Have you ever watched Gundam Wing?
Posted by notbeinguseful (Member # 7020) on :
some. i grew up on transformers, but now when i watch a mecha show, it's either from the 80's and looks old and silly, or it's newer and blantantly cgi, which turns me off.
i like some of the newer shows with big budgets that blend cg and hand-drawn work seamlessly.
Posted by Sid Meier (Member # 6965) on :
I consider, Gundam Wing to be great, the tranformers like is the older on I think not the newer american made ones.
Posted by Windaria (Member # 4972) on :
If they want to truly do the books right... I think that the only way to do it would be to do the movies back to back. You'd have enough gaps to account for the age changes and the like, but it could work out quite well... sort of in the way that they did the Lord of the Rings movies, one after the other, and release them one after anouther for several years, one each year or so...
Besides, then it'd be more likely that they do more than just the first one. <grins>
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
Here's the smallish problem with that... What about bean? Where do they find an actor who is short but can grow really tall? It'd kind of be hard to pre-determin that..
*Realizes pun* heheheh...
Posted by Sid Meier (Member # 6965) on :
Like I suggested ealrier anime. Or CGI
Posted by Sid Meier (Member # 6965) on :
Okay, apparently the wirting team who did X-Men 2 will be writing the screen play for Ender's Game/Ender's Shodow the movie.
Posted by Sid Meier (Member # 6965) on :
quote: Ender's Game Screenplay by Orson Scott Card Based on the novel by Orson Scott Card Produced by Chartoff Productions and Fresco Pictures Feature film: Science fiction epic
It's 2070, forty years since a devastating alien invasion was barely turned back, and the world is desperately searching for soldiers to lead them to victory when the "Buggers" come again. That's why they're drafting young children who pass a rigorous screening, and sending the best of them to the orbiting Battle School, where they are trained from childhood to be ready for war in the vertiginous reaches of space.
Into the unending pressure of military training comes six-year-old Andrew "Ender" Wiggin, who struggles to keep his humanity even as the adult teachers, rivals among his fellow students, and the strange unseen influence of the alien invaders all threaten either to destroy him or to make him into someone he can't bear to be.
His genius raises him to the top of the intensely competitive games in the Battle Room, an immense null-gravity chamber where armies of youngsters engage in mock combat. But his real struggles are off the playing field - with a dangerous older boy named Bonzo Madrid who is determined that both he and Ender cannot survive in this place; with his teacher, Mazer Rackham, who won the last war on a fluke and now is trying to prepare Ender to win the next one by skill rather than luck; and with himself, as Ender wrestles with his own demons, desperate to remain a decent human being even as he sees himself being transformed into exactly the same kind of monster as the buggers themselves.
2070? Somehow that can't be right, I'm certain that the first bugger war was atleast around that time or later, and is Mazer in Battleschool for the movie? Or is this discription inaccurate? I know they hardly started working on the screenplays but you know I'm kinda concerned, It'll still be a great movie I'll still go. I'm just a bit surprised thats all.
Posted by Achilles_de_Flandres (Member # 6672) on :
Go back to your quotey. It doesn't really state that Mazer was in BS or not. As for 2070, I think you're right.
Posted by Sid Meier (Member # 6965) on :
Yeah it's jsut that it seems implied that Mazer is in BS, so it's not confirmed. But I really don't want the 3rd bugger war to take play in 2070, (though I might still be alive then pending the crazed driver/wife). ALso anyoen notice that all major wars seem to come in 3's?
Posted by Yen (Member # 7048) on :
I think that there will only be one bugger war in the movie.
The problem is that you have to adapt a book, what you see in the theatre won't be the same exact thing you read. It happens to all adaptations; Harry Potter, LOTR, (who knows knows how they're going to adapt the His Dark Materials trilogy...)
The directors are forced to make sacrifices for the plot and cut out parts and all the little details to make a live-action/cgi version that brings the books to life as best possible.
So just ignore general inconsistancies because it's going to be Ender's Game The Movie while Ender's Game The Book will always be dear in our hearts in a differant way. Two different versions, same story, I don't think you will be unsatified.
PS: Since I mentioned it, for His Dark Material Fans, check out this. Posted by Demosthenes_08 (Member # 7058) on :
No matter what goes on with the movie, i think the final result will be rad. i'm not a big fan of anime so i'm against that whole ordeal but i think that the CGI like in final fantasy would be cool. Does anyone know who the cast is going to be? cause i've heard some people say jake lloyd and then others say no. so if you could fill me in i'd appreciate it.
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
No actors have been cast yet since it is still probably a year or two until the filming start. You probably will not know the names of any of the child actors.
In the book Mazer was out at light speed for a portion of Ender's training. He was not at Battle School. He was at Command School. Several of the grown up roles will be consolidated.
As to the year. Since a year is never really stated in the books, you can not say when any of the stories take place.
msquared
Posted by Stiricide (Member # 7067) on :
Brian - as far as aggressive kids, check out the children of the corn movies. (most of which are terrible, but that's mostly the giant gaping holes in the script, and i still love them.) i think what's going to be harder is selling the concept to a wider audience. but judging from tha mass market appeal ender has in the first place, i doubt that will be a problem.
i don't think finding kids will be a problem, especially if the scour the pool for unknowns. there are far more talented kids lurking around then hollywood would lead you to believe there are. (on that note, you have NO idea how relieved i am that HJP will be too old for this movie. whew.)
Posted by Leprechaun86 (Member # 7106) on :
Making this movie Anime would destroy the overall feel of it. However, I do believe that the biggest problem facing the production team will be maing the Battle Room sequences realistic enough. Say all you want about the advantages of BlueScreen technology and computer animation, those scenes will either make, or break the film.
Posted by Young Teacher (Member # 7104) on :
Creating Super-intelligent children who express emotions far beyond the average child's daily life will be the ultimate challenge. To develop a child who can fool the audience into believing he is the face of venomous hate is entirely possible but it takes a game and a lot of forethought. You need a child who is intelligent and bright but naive; for that is the child with whom you can convince the entire world he is intellegibly superior, a soldier, and in a couple of instances a child who can hate. Murderous hate out of a six or seven year old child, to the audience, is going to be a show of absolute ludicrousness or of deep emotional importance. This movie can work quite well with a live cast but it is the training of the cast that will be the most important with the little children.
Casting, training and captured moments are the most important of all
Posted by SirReal (Member # 5257) on :
I heard Johnathan Lipnicki was getting the nod for the part of Ender? "Did you know that the Human head weighth eight poundth? Did you know that the Buggerth can thmell fear?"
Posted by Master Kakashi (Member # 6165) on :
Oh NO!!! That would be horrible! Him playing the part would ruin the whole mood of the movie. They need someone more serious, and maybe an unknown actor so no one could compare him to his other movies.
Posted by Young Teacher (Member # 7104) on :
I agree with Master Kakashi. "an unknown actor so no one could compare him to his other movies" There are many children that can be cast other than the recent known ones. Most people see the kids stars in a couple of films and assume that they will be chosen for the movie. The wonderful truth is that there are many kids that nobody knows about that once found will exceed the expectations of the audience. If a young child has some filming experience then that might be a reason to sign him on but with children that young it is best just to start out with a new face.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
No way. I hear that Macaulay Culkin will play Ender and Dwayne Johnson (a.k.a. The Rock) will play Bean.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
I heard that Bruce McCulloch was going to play Ender, using his Gavin character as an inspiration, and that Robin Williams was going to play Bean. They'll use CGI to shrink them down so that they're the same size as the other kids. Dame Judy Dench is going to play Petra. That's the word on the street, anyway.
Posted by Sid Meier (Member # 6965) on :
Seriously; I love Robin Williams acting/comedy and all but in an Ender's Game/Shadow Movie? I say NIEN!
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Gavin as Ender:
That's choice.
I have heard.... that the enemy's gate is down. That's what they say!
[ December 13, 2004, 11:20 AM: Message edited by: mr_porteiro_head ]
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Now, if the battleschool were veal, which I know it is not, if the battleschool were veal, how much would it be worth?
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Fifty-four dollars.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
No, I don't think I'll sell.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
In commandschool? They only get one spoon.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
What happens if they lose it?
Posted by Sid Meier (Member # 6965) on :
Okay in todays american dollars its probly worth soemwhere around 500 Billion$-1.5 trillion$ the International Space station is like what? 200 billion?
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
But it's not made out of veal.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
quote:What happens if they lose it?
They starve to death unless someone in their army graduates and wills them their spoon.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
quote:Okay in todays american dollars its probly worth soemwhere around 500 Billion$-1.5 trillion$ the International Space station is like what? 200 billion?
::Gulp::
I wish. Okay, then instead, who do you think would win in a fight between a dog and a monkey?
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Is it a magic-weilding monkey?
Is it a lycanthropic dog?
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote: They starve to death unless someone in their army graduates and wills them their spoon.
Yeah right. And I'll be there are spoon millionaries too.
Posted by Leprechaun86 (Member # 7106) on :
This has to be the stupidest conversation I've ever seen. Of course the monkey would win. It would use it's monkey kung-fu.
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
Monkey Kombat!
Posted by SPC Jonesey (Member # 7131) on :
Not to change the subject, but I have read the Ender's series like 100 times. Ender's game takes place in the 22nd century. I don't remember which book states this, but I know it to be fact. I don't understand this '2070' crap? Who came up with that change??
Posted by Beanny (Member # 7109) on :
Hi guys,
I don't think you're relating to the "right" problem here.
The main problem, in my opinion, is: Most of the book is contrived of thoughts. What’s going on in Ender’s mind. Once you only try expressing what Ender thinks through action when he decides not to act, you ruin the foundations of the book.
The most important thing, in my opinion, is to have Ender’s voice speak his thoughts most of the movie. You’ll need a fabulous producer for that, a marvelous director, and, hmm… the best child actor in history.
I’d stick with animae.
-Beanny
Posted by Young Teacher (Member # 7104) on :
I can see why quite a few people want it in anime, but I really don't think that it will be formed as such. If the movie is made with live actors then I would agree with Beanny, quote, "the best child actor in history.". It really depends on the child and someone who can direct the child. The future Ender would have to cry, show intense anger, and live like a soldier. The actor will need a really good personal trainer. I can't see O.S.C creating "Ender's Game" as an anime film.
Posted by Young Teacher (Member # 7104) on :
It would give the movie strength if Ender cries with natural unforced tears.
Posted by Earendil18 (Member # 3180) on :
See my "Enders Game Medium" thread for my thoughts. Posted by Beanny (Member # 7109) on :
By the way, how about an Ender's Game playstation game?
If the creators are good, well...
Manoeuvering in null-G won't have its ups and downs.
-Beanny
Posted by Jqueasy (Member # 7085) on :
The main thing that i am worried about in this movie is casting, and not just for the initial part of ender and bean. I am worried about how they will show the age of ender and the children as they grow older i cant remember how old ender was when he got to battle school but i know bean was like 4 and ended up being around 12 by the time he left. The books check in on the kids at diffent time frames, how are they going to make the kids look older and taller as the film goes on, hopefully not with diffent actors. I dont know how you do this.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote: I am worried about how they will show the age of ender and the children as they grow older
I don't think they will.
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
quote: It would give the movie strength if Ender cries with natural unforced tears.
Daniel Radcliffe is OUT!
Posted by Saint_11 (Member # 7232) on :
man i cant wait till it comes out, and i want an Enders Shadow movie real bad, because i liked that series better Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
The movie, as Card has envisioned it, will be a combination of Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow.
Posted by Sid Meier (Member # 6965) on :
That makes sense. Two birds with oen stone. ES and EG are practically the same story just different perspectives, its really easy to go from 1 perspective to the next in movies.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
yup
Posted by Vid (Member # 7172) on :
quote: By the way, how about an Ender's Game playstation game?
If the creators are good, well...
Manoeuvering in null-G won't have its ups and downs.
HA! Very well said
Considering the reviews the Spiderman 2 game got, I wouldn't be surprised if they could pull off a good Battleroom game. Then again, I'd be even less surprised if they made a very, very bad Battleroom game.
Posted by Jqueasy (Member # 7085) on :
I went to a meeting where osc was speaking and said that the ender's movie was going to be condenced into 1 year so they didnt have to worry about casting differnt actors to play differnt ages.
Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
Yeah, that's certainly the most practical way to do it.
Posted by Bork (Member # 7283) on :
Ok, reading this forum I keep reading something that bugs me. Everyone says to find a child actor who can express murderous hate like Ender. Ender was not hate filled, he did exactly what he needed to get by and nothing more.
He made sure when he did something he finished, and then he always felt horrible for it afterwords, if he was full of murderous hate he wouldn't have nightmares about things he has done.
I doubt if anyone could be put through what Ender was put through and still be as decent as he was.
Posted by Young Teacher (Member # 7104) on :
quote: _________________________________________________ Ender was not hate filled, he did exactly what he needed to get by and nothing more. _________________________________________________
Very true. Ender did not hate anyone. He dealt with his problems swiftly and completely. Later he was manipulated by the teachers to inavertingly destroy the buggers. Ender was a little bit of both Valentine and Peter. That is what the teachers were looking for. Hate and anger are two different obects. Though sometimes entwined, they are not the same. Ender was sometimes angry for a just cause but he never hated anyone. Bonzo hated even if he wasn't angry.
[ January 24, 2005, 03:26 PM: Message edited by: Young Teacher ]
Posted by Feral (Member # 7401) on :
Very true...Ender did not hate. It was his undying capacity to love that allowed him to destroy so efficiently. Very Zen, only by becoming your enemy can you know him enough to destroy him utterly.
However, the concern wasn't that we would be able to find a child actor to show hate in the role of Ender, but rather in the other members of the battleschool. Bonzo being a good example, Bernard as well.
Remember that the culture of the battle school was one based on competetion and honor based upon the standings. And they would do anything, even murder, to get what they wanted. Interesting that Bonzo made it to battleschool and Peter did not.
Feral
Posted by 0range7Penguin (Member # 7337) on :
I disagree, murder was not acceptable at the battle school and very few of the kids would have attempted it. Bonzo was an acception and the Ender/Bonzo fight was only allowed to happen because Ender was a special case and they could never let Ender think that adults would step in and help him. One of the first things is that they said Murder and violence was not allowed and that anyone who tried anything would get iced. I think it was Dap that said this but it could have been Graff.
Posted by 0range7Penguin (Member # 7337) on :
Oh and also I'd welcome you to hatrack but I thinks thats Pops job. Whispering-Welcome to hatrack, don't tell Pops.- Posted by Sid Meier (Member # 6965) on :
Bonzo got to BS partly becuase of the charisma that made him a commander. Also remember he has some talent but obviously not enough to be good at commanding. Remember Peter war OBVIOUSLY violent and aggressive as a child Bonzo most likely wasn't.
Posted by Silvercrystal77 (Member # 7425) on :
One thing that heard that I think would totally ruin the movie is that they are going to make Graff a woman for this movie. Somebody said it was confirmed, but I don't think so. Someone suggested Dame Judy Dench for the part. She's too Professor McGonagall-ish for me. Personally, I like one idea that was suggested. Sean Bean. I can see that happening. Maybe.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Why would that totally ruin the movie for you? What difference would it actually make?
But if it helps, I'm pretty sure they're only making ANDERSON a woman. Posted by NinjaBirdman (Member # 7114) on :
I think Judy Dench could probably be a good Carlotta, but I think Graff would need to be a guy unless his personality was changed big time. But if Graff was to be a female, Judy Dench would probably be the best choice.
Posted by Sid Meier (Member # 6965) on :
Anderson should be Johnathon Frakes and Graff should be Patrick Stewart.
Posted by AntiCool (Member # 7386) on :
Do not be surprised if most of the adult characters are significantly changed. IIRC, Card has said that characters like Graff were really only there to move the story along and allow the reader to see more than Ender was seeing. They were more device than character.
Posted by Edin (Member # 7437) on :
Man, at one of the websites I was looking at, they said that they tried to get Haley Joel Osmend to do it, but something came up.
However, what I want to know is when it's supposed to start filming! Unfortunately, my parents and I have read the books, but my mom and I are the only two putting effort into finding a filming date! I just want to see a teaser soon...T_T *sniff*
Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
As far as I know, they haven't set a date for filming, or even cast a single character yet. To be honest, if the movie gets made in the next 5 years I will be pleasantly surprised.
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
Remember how long it took for Phantom of the Opera to be made into a movie? Wasn't it like... nine... ten years since they announced it?
Anywho, Sid Meier, that would be awesome... to have Patrick Stewart and Jonathan Franks there...
Posted by Edin (Member # 7437) on :
Unfortunately, I bet you're right... Posted by AntiCool (Member # 7386) on :
There have been been about a dozen "Phantom of the Opera" movies made over the years.
Posted by 0range7Penguin (Member # 7337) on :
Still one example is the new star wars movies that are still coming out now in 2005 were first talked about being made right after the first ones came out!
Posted by SpadeRyder (Member # 7448) on :
What I'm worried about is that Ender's Game will be turned into another Spy Kids type movie, just a bunch of kids being heroes, rather than delving deeper into the story.
Ender is aggressive, but it isn't without good cause. I hope Warner Bros doesn't tone that part down. They need to show Ender killing Stilson. It needs to be violant, and maybe the anti-violence in movies groups will go crazy that a kids' movie is showing a six year old killing a bully, but that needs to be shocking. But it needs to be presented in the right context.
I hope that's done though good casting and making sure that Ender's a sympathic character from the start. I think it would be best if they had two actors playing Ender - a young six year old Ender as he's going to Battle School (played by an actual six year old, not the usual Hollywood 12 year old playing six) and then they can cast a 9 or 10 year old to play Ender for most of the movie.
If Ender is this little kid getting tormented by Peter, picked on by bullies, then he's sympathic. Then the audience is rooting for him.
Posted by Sammi (Member # 7461) on :
It all depends on finding the right actors. Unfortunately, there has been a shortage of true child actors since the age of the "Spielberg kids" such as Elijah Wood, Joseph Mazello, and Henry Thomas in the eighties and early nineties. OSC has already said that he has fudged the ages and combined Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow to make the story into a form that will tanslate to screen. It will now be up to the casting directors to can find 10 to 16 year olds with the same heart that an Elijah, Henry, or Joseph could have portrayed...I know they are out there.
Posted by ThumperXC (Member # 7455) on :
My man concern is one that has been stated areadly. I think that with movies you lose the ability to convey the characters thoughts. If the thoughs are not conveyed well the idea of a 6 year old will not fly with most people, espsecailly with the violence and all. I kno OSC has gone strongly against it and I too belive that the characters age is true to their abilities in the stories, For the story to be under stood the characters age i thinks needs to be bump up, only alittle, maybe they are 9 or 10 when they get to battle school. I don't know I'm just I'm not aroung 6 years olds much but I'm afraid of it becoming like the poster before me said " a spykids movie". I have faith in OSC that he can figure it out. I also agree with casting unkowns.
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Posted by UTAH (Member # 5032) on :
All I can say is thank goodness Haley Joe will be too old by the time the movie comes out. How could ANYONE have even considered him? Posted by SpadeRyder (Member # 7448) on :
Haley Joel Osment is far too old. Any actor probably over the age of 9 currently is probably too old since it's realistically going to be 2 years before Ender's Game starts filming.
I think a lot of parents are going to have problems with a 6 year old killing another child. Even a 10 year old.
The other problem is that most teenagers who would be the target audience wouldn't want to see a movie about a six year old. Movies starring 6 year olds are targeted to the preschool crowd, which is certainly not the right audience.
I hope that Ender's experience in Battle School isn't rushed. It can't be made out that he just gets there and immediately he's fighting the Buggers. He didn't show up at Battle School with the knowledge to be a great military leader. He learned it over years. So the idea that they could show all of that in a 120 minutes (or 90, if it's a kids movie) is unlikely.
The passage of time could be better shown if they had multiple actors. A six year old in the beginning as an introduction for the first act, then a slightly older actor (maybe 9 or 10) for the rest of the film.
Posted by alluvion (Member # 7462) on :
My deepest concern is that this movie will, quite frankly, never get made. Perfect casting, a spot on screenplay, the "correct" director, yadda yadda... appear to pale in comparison to OSC's securing the necessary resources to make the damn thing the way he envisions it. I imagine he does have the resources (not to mention the talent, if he were at the helm) to deliver a breathtakingly good adaptation of his own story for the bigscreen.
The fact that he hasn't chosen to do so, well... I find it chilling.
OK, maybe not chilling, but certainly a little alarming.
Posted by AntiCool (Member # 7386) on :
quote:My deepest concern is that this movie will, quite frankly, never get made.
I would rather there be no movie than a crappy one.
Posted by UTAH (Member # 5032) on :
AntiCool, I totally agree. This movie has been so long in the works that when, and if, it ever gets made, I think it will be anticlimatic.
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Posted by mimsies (Member # 7418) on :
I tell ya... they're just waiting long enough so that my son can play one of the characters, that's all! Posted by Hamson (Member # 7808) on :
Even though by far and away, Enders game is my favorite novel, it just doesn't seem to be the right kind of movie material since there are so many subtle concepts. And like others have been saying, most of the book is told through his thoughts, and movies like that are hard to make. I'm interested to see how similar it could be to the books and how they pull it off from a marketing standpoint.
Posted by DaBigKahuna (Member # 6648) on :
As for his thoughts, much of that could be covered by using an unseen narrator making comments - done in other movies well.
Posted by Rose the ____ (Member # 7791) on :
... I hate to be a downer here, but - how are these 6-12 year old kids going to get into the casting rooms anyway?
Can any of you think of parents who would let their child play Bonzo Madrid, or Ender the Xenocide? I tell you this, I've never met any parents I believe would have let me play roles in such a story. The best we could hope for are adults who are already familiar with the story and have already raised children and are fully confident this won't completely screw up the kids life. Not that I think these roles would drastically screw up a child's psyche, I first read Ender's Game in 3rd grade. But I just figure - we gotta consider it's going to be the hardest sell for the parents of these minors, nevermind the audience - thinking these kids will play, essentially, murderers in training, and in Ender's case - killers. the movie is going to scare people who scare easily, like the people the news aims for when it 'sells' bad news.
people are gonna freak out.
on a lighter note, this would definitely work well as an anime. Wonder why Card hasn't posted on this thread yet, and why - well, as far as we know, he didn't consider the animation perspective either.
Posted by Rose the ____ (Member # 7791) on :
although - if Ender's Game were to be animated - there's so many opportunities there. it could, really, be a series. or a miniseries. like I posted somewhere else, it opens up a whole universe of Card's work. It would give Ender's Game a future that lasts beyond any of us just as the original Star Wars has lasted into comics, novels, and many further movies. oh. and TV. but Ewoks sucked. or so I'm told, I haven't the courage to watch it.
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
Um, my parents would have loved for me to play any of those parts, because... well I love the book and they'd want me to have fun with it.
Posted by mimsies (Member # 7418) on :
My 5 yr old son WANTS to be in this movie! Fine with me, as long as he eats his broccolli, does his school work, and continues to be sweet and considerate in REAL life.
As son as I told some friends that they were making this into a movie, they said "You HAVE to get to the casting calls, Sequoyah would be great in this movie!" He's wanted to be a movie star since he was two.
I know at least a few more around here who would take their little guys to a casting call.
Also I think many parents won't be that squeamish. I mean the number of kids trying out for Annikan Skywalker was HUGE and that little guy grows up to be Darth Vader.
Posted by DaBigKahuna (Member # 6648) on :
= thinking these kids will play, essentially, murderers in training, and in Ender's case - killers. =
First of all, I don't see a problem even if your view of what Ender and others were is true. Have you seen what some kids depict in movies? Unfortunately, people just love being in the movies, on TV, etc.
But in the case of EG, I don't agree with you view anyway (grin). None of the kids were murderers in training. Killing in war, against military targets, is not murder, though I know some people's philosophy is different.
Nor do I even view Ender as a "killer", at least not in the sense most people think of when that term is used.
He killed two kids, but didn't know he had done so and did not intend to do so. In the case of blowing up the bugger planet, he still thought he was playing a game and took an action he thought would actually get him out of the training program if done in real life (thus at least implying he would not have done such an act deliberately).
Posted by lonelywalker (Member # 7815) on :
The movie that gives me great hope when it comes to "Ender's Game" is a film called "Frailty". "Frailty" is a movie for adults, with two children (admittedly a few years older than Ender's lot) in the main roles. There's a huge amount of death, fear, anguish, and madness in the movie, and the two kids were amazing. Sadly they'll both be too old to play Ender or Bean (although Peter...???)
Anyone who has been a kid can tell you that kids can hate, can be extremely violent, can inflict the worst mental and physical torture on their peers. And all without acting! It isn't a matter of whether good enough child actors can be found - it's whether the head honchos are brave enough to depict the characters onscreen.
Posted by Avicus (Member # 7652) on :
There's going to be great difficulty in making it exactly like the book. Go read Ender's Game again and try to note how much Ender actually talks in his head as opposed to what he says to others. It's going to be hard to pull of his thoughts in the movie. You could have a voice over but that might come off as stupid. The point is that they might not be able to illustrate his thoughts and that is going to be the biggest problem in the movie because that's the whole point of Ender's Game. Without his thoughts how are you supposed to know the reasons behind his actions? There is going to have to be a trade off which is probably gonna piss off alot of you, but some of you might also appreciate the changes they make. Who's to say. Movies made from books generally do this. My hope is that a director will read the book before actually directing it. You'd be surprised how many don't do that.
Posted by Rose the ____ (Member # 7791) on :
I don't believe the kids were depicted as murderers in training either, and I believe people who think about the book and think about the movie and the message will get it.
I'm just worried about all of the people who protest for the sake of protesting. And of course I should keep in mind that parents of good child actors wouldn't turn down a script just because on a whim it seems to creepy. Yeah. guess it's silly.
I just don't want it to be shot down by the people who won't see it. it wouldn't be fair.
Posted by Rose the ____ (Member # 7791) on :
and I just don't tend to forget Card's foward to Ender's Game, about the teachers and the parents who felt that Card didn't understand children. I'm afraid that there are so many of them. it's silly because it was my third grade teacher who introduced me to the book, and discussed the book with me at length. I always had adults back me up who understood how kids think, and how people under age 12 are still people, from before I can even remember.
I dunno. probably fretting over nothing .
Posted by aiua (Member # 7825) on :
quote: It needs to be violant, and maybe the anti-violence in movies groups will go crazy that a kids' movie is showing a six year old killing a bully, but that needs to be shocking.
It's not supposed to be a kids movie, is it? Hasn't OSC said that he didn't write it for children, but for a more mature audience?
I would, however, much rather have there not be any movie. A lot of my favorite books have been, well, not ruined, but..never the same after seeign the movie. They movies weren't bad or anything, but, can any movie ever live up to the standards we've set for Ender's Game? No matter how great the movie turns out to be, I believe that it will be a dissappointment to many of us.
Posted by SpEeDMaSTeR (Member # 7568) on :
I think that the issue of nudity is more than a minor concern in one key part of the film.
In the fight between Ender and Bonzo, Bonzo lowers himself to Ender's level by stripping his clothing and getting his body wet. How else can it be shown that Bonzo fought fairly and honorably?
OR- would it be more profitable to make Ender seem as a god-like hero who in spite of his enemy taking every advantage he still emerges victorious. I think this takes away from the character development, but I really don't see any way around it.
So I repeat- in what way can Bonzo seem to fight fairly, if nudity is not (can not be, with child actors...) displayed in the film?
Posted by Culloden46 (Member # 7959) on :
I'd like the see EG made into a film, but I'd rather see it done right. But as crazed fans, we're probably never going to get the film made the way we'd like to see it done.
I worry about what Warner Bros will do to the film to commercialize it and make it palatable to the mass audience.
The way I envision the movie starting is with a flashback to Ender's life on Earth and when he first went to Battle School. Then you have Ender's narration of what happened and his reflections on it. Then flash forward to maybe Ender in Dragon Army played by a 12 or 13 year old actor playing younger.
Typically kid movies cast kids a few years older than the target market. So if they have 10-12 year olds in Ender's Game, it's a movie for 8-10 year olds, and as it's been said on here before, what parent wants to take their small children to a movie about kids killing other kids and commiting genocide?
Recently there's been a lot news articles about Star Wars Episode III's PG-13 rating and the violence in it, outraging some parents who's little kids want to go see the movie and who can't understand why a Star Wars movie isn't being made for a six year old. (yet adult fans complain about Jake Lloyd and Jar Jar making the other SW prequels unwatchable)
But if Ender's Game ends up with a PG-13 rating, it will likely tank at the box office. Look at the Lord of the Files remake from 1990. Maybe not the most critically acclaimed film, but a total flop because most adults don't want to see a movie about a bunch of kids going crazy and killing each other with all sorts of deep philosophical meaning and parents wouldn't let kids see it.
The 1990 Lord of the Files is probably a good example of what can go wrong with adaptations, since it did have a mainly all child cast (the director oddly cast children who had never acted before because he thought their behavior was more natural). But it also shows how a studio can ruin a classic novel with trying to modernize it and make it appeal to more of a mass, American audience.
Posted by lonelywalker (Member # 7815) on :
How did Battle Royale do at the box office? It certainly seems to have been a big hit on DVD.
(Another film about kids killing each other - maybe Ender's Game should be made in Japan...)
Posted by Lady Future (Member # 7942) on :
As for casting: I would love to see Ender's Game done in the same animated style that the 2001 Final Fantasy movie was. That would be absolutely gorgeous to see, since you wouldn't have to worry about the age of people or appearances.
Rating: Of course it's going to be a high rating. I would expect it to be PG-13, based on the content of the book. Plus, even the people who haven't read the book are going to know someone who has, or they're going to at least recognize the name. It really has become one of America's most well-known books at this point, based on my experiences with grade school and high school. I knew people who were nine who had read the books and enjoyed them, and never have I mentioned Ender's Game and had someone ask what I was talking about. Ultimately, I think that even if it were a PG-13 rating, a LOT of people wouldh want to see it: those who have read the book will want to know how well the movie was executed, and people who know the name but are too lazy or don't have access to the book will want to know the plot and what all the hype is about. Either way, put the name "Ender's Game" on a movie, and you're going to drag in a loooot of money at the box office. = =
Posted by CRash (Member # 7754) on :
Animated Movie Concerns
As for a cartoon format, anime or otherwise, I don't think that make for a successful move. Sure you could manipulate characters more easily, but this is the age of CGI. Anyone can see a little boy fly in a cartoon. But to make it a real living boy...like, this could actually happen one day...that is attractive. There're not that many people who've read Ender's Game, especially around my high school. Around one in twenty, maximum. So naturally they won't go just to see a film version of the book. They'll go to see a movie, and a feature-length cartoon is not very appealing.
Let's face it--"animation" in the U.S. will always be associated with Disney, and Disney makes its full-length animated films primarily for children. Teenagers see "animated" and think, I'm way too old for this. (I'm assuming that the primary market will be the U.S.; correct me if I'm wrong.)
Cartoons and anime are beginning to rise again, it's true...but the successes are few and far between. The only anime that I've watched and didn't feel cheesed-out by recently was the Animatrix shorts. But I'd choose the movies every time...for the illusion of authenticity I felt while watching them. I can only recall one okay anime movie that appeared in theaters recently in my area (Spokane, WA) which was Spirited Away, and it only showed at one theater.
I urge anyone to name five box-office hits in the United States that were animated(including anime) from the past three years.
An interesting alternative, however, to which would still apply the benefits of an animated film could be a computer-animated film. Those have attracted plenty of viewers recently--Shrek, Finding Nemo, etc., and are on the rise at least in the U.S. If the human characters could be rendered well enough (think Shrek or the Polar Express) it could be done. As long as it wasn't affiliated with Pixar (which still employs the over-the-top cartoonish-looking humans Disney likes), I'd say the movie would have a fighting chance.
But I would really like to see a live-action Ender's Game. Posted by ThumperXC (Member # 7455) on :
CGI would work great, in the sense of looks- you'd be able to manipuate the characters how ever you like. Final Fastasy (the movie not the game) was a goood example of using CGI well, but that does not nessicarily make it a great movie. Live action would be My first bet. Music is really important. They need to protray the emotional/mental themes in a way that is not to compicated. the battle room is also going to be difficult if the camera doesn't get the whole picture. Anime is NOT the answer. I like the Ideal of making them like 10-12 age range, teenagers wouldbring in too many complications; but as long as the actor look mature enough to fit the roles.
Posted by kaioshin00 (Member # 3740) on :
Definately live action.
Posted by Makerofthings (Member # 3979) on :
I do not think the accuracy of the children's ages is important to the power of the story at all. I would rather see the ages changed to being teenagers in order to get the better acting and less casting problems. I think it important to not get bogged down in the details at the expense of the story-telling.
Posted by CRash (Member # 7754) on :
But changing the characters to teenagers alters the story horribly! Ender's Game is a story about young children, not hormone-driven, independent rebels. These kids are still dependent upon adults to a certain degree. More importantly, it would be more believable for an eleven-year old to be fooled into destroying the buggers than a fifteen-year old. I thought the whole point of the book was that these were kids, smart, yes, but still kids.
Posted by Avicus (Member # 7652) on :
One problem I saw was that it would be hard to convey Ender's thoughts on things. That's really what makes the books work is you're in his head like a monitor. So how do you get this in the movie without making it look cheesy? Well the other day I finally got to see the Chronicles of Riddick. There was one part where he's walking or doing something and not saying a word, but as he's walking you're able to hear his thoughts. This was done pretty well and I think could be used the same way in the movie. It would get thoughts accross without screwing it up too much.
Posted by Jacob Calder (Member # 7945) on :
I don't think Ender can be played by a teenager. I believe when the book was licensed for the movie, it's in the contract that Ender can not played by anyone older than 12.
The Ender's Game audio book has a whole part at the end where Mr Card speaks about the book and potential movie. It's really faciniting. He also talks about how to adapt the book when most of it occurs in Ender's head, and that's why it will incorporate Ender's Shadow and Bean as well.
I would love to see Ender's Game come to the big screen in any form. As long as the movie tells Ender's story, I'll be happy. And it's rated PG, more kids will see it and read the book. No movie will ever be better than the book.
Posted by Avicus (Member # 7652) on :
Jacob: It's already been picked up by Warner Bros. I think they're now finnishing up the final draft. As for ages of the kids. Mr Card himself has said that it will have to be all children actors around the appropriate ages (5+), and I can imagine he will vocalize his ideas to the people making the movie.
Posted by Miranda (Member # 7647) on :
I have to second Sid Meier. Patrick Stewart would make an excellent Graff. As for the children, I doubt that they will all have accents because few children that young will have both a clear accent and the ability to speak sufficient english. And children faking accents just doesnt seem wise.
Posted by CRash (Member # 7754) on :
Besides, it was said in the books that the children grew up with Common and spoke it without accent. Except for a few exceptions, like Bernard.
Posted by Avicus (Member # 7652) on :
Miranda: Actually I had another pic for graff. The actors/actresses in this movie are going to either have to be new faces or rarely used faces. One idea I had was the evil guy (coctue?) from the darkman movie). He has the face that can look condecending, and yet still be nice. Face looks intelligent, and he would look ok as he gets fatter as the film goes along.
Posted by Rose the ____ (Member # 7791) on :
Oh! Dude! I met the bad guy from the Darkman movie! or maybe it was the 2nd or 3rd Darkman movie. he lived near Albany NY or something, least I assume this 'cause I met him at a party my parents dragged me to and he was all like, "Your parents tell me you're a comic book fan - well I was in Darkman 2" and of course I didn't know this, I was like, maybe 12 years old, I hadn't seen Darkman - but he seemed a cool dude. he was right, he was the villian in those movies, and I was all like - Dude. years later. I met a movie star who aughta be in Ender's Game. woot. And - hmm. ok, I was thrown off and starstruck, but he probably was being both condecending and nice when he gave me the autographed photo. <shrugs>. guess I'll look for it now :-[.
Posted by Avicus (Member # 7652) on :
That's graff in a nutshell. Always glad to know there's another comic fan on here. I just hope he hasn't changed much. His face and body type is perfect for graff. As for Mazer I also have a really good cast call. The grey haired guy from the Highlander TV series. He was a cripple in the movie and ran a bar. He was a member of the watchers. I think he would be a great Mazer.
Posted by mimsies (Member # 7418) on :
Huh... I always imagined James Earl Jones as Graff
I thought Rawiri Paratene or possibly Louis Gossett Jr. as Mazer
Posted by Lock and key (Member # 8073) on :
With the making of the movie in CGI, I would love that. That would mean the kids could grow from 6 to 11(or what ever the ages were). But some of the drama/moments in the film may be lost. A 9-year-old CGI kid killing another CGI kid is not as efective as two real kids fighting(please don't take that the wrong way...). CGI would also open a door to the making of the Shadow series. Bean could grow to the enormous size he is ment to. I don't think they could get a kid to grow to that size just by luck in casting...
Going way the heck back to the coment on EG and ES being conbined, it would be interesting to see if they start with Enders story, Beans story, or just start in batle school. Acualy never mind. They need to introduce those other characters.
Posted by CRash (Member # 7754) on :
I think they'd probably start with Ender, and then switch to Bean so the viewer can see what both boys' lives were like before Battle School. I don't think there'll be too much exposition, however. The sooner they get to the school, the more action scenes the movie can draw from.
Posted by Avicus (Member # 7652) on :
I think CGI can alot of times be the stupidest thing a director can do. Take Star Wars for example, the first three were amazing. Why you say? Because they actually had some guys make models of the ships and put them in front of the blue screen. It looked real because it was real. Now look at the current Star Wars movies. Three words...Jar Jar Binx. Then look at all the battle scenes. He literally has to flood the scenes with so many things that are CGI so that you can't tell between what is real and what is fake. They didn't have to do that with the old movies. You could look at it without getting a headache or having a seizure and know that everything was real. This isn't to mention that all of those talented artists who spent enormous amounts working on these models are now out of work because of CGI. I'm not saying don't use it ever, but be liberal with it. If you're looking to have a real affect, then just make the damn thing. And as for CGI kids, look how well CGI people worked out for the Final Fantasy movie. Now that was a blockbuster hit. Most people can't even remember that it came out. Bottom line. Stick with real kids. Have fresh faces and take time in building the battle school so it looks real and not some piece of crap made on a computer.
Posted by CRash (Member # 7754) on :
Problem with Star Wars was that the effects were flashy and show-offy, as with all of the movies in the series. Don't forget that when the originals came out, the effects in them were cutting-edge, designed to push forward and be something no one had ever seen before. Jar Jar Binks was annoying not because he was computer-generated, but because of his character. Fact is, Star Wars had excellent CGI, just the prequels over-did it a bit.
If the Ender's Game movie turns out to be live-action with CG effects, as I suspect it might, what could make it a success will be following not the Lucasfilm/Star Wars formula, but rather movies that utilize but don't flaunt their CGI, like the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Now those films were notorious for their attention to detail--their sets, models, and props were realistic and interesting, while they took the time on their special effects so that the films turned out to be story-driven movies that utilized CG effects rather than CGI-driven movies which happened to have a story, like Star Wars.
Posted by ailurophobic (Member # 8343) on :
Another problem with CGI? Money. Moneymoneymoney, and unless Warner Brothers is willing to expend a HUGE amount of money on this film, it's just not going to work. Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within took forever and so, so, so much money. Of course, it's not so new anymore, but that probably doesn't make it much cheaper.
Posted by ailurophobic (Member # 8343) on :
Oh!
Did it scare anyone else when it was posted that Brad Pitt was playing Achilles on the frescopictures site? ._______.; It took me a long moment to realize they were talking about Peterson's Troy.
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That would be horrible! Him playing the part would ruin the whole mood of the movie. They need someone more serious, and maybe an unknown actor so no one could compare him to his other movies.
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She's too Professor McGonagall-ish for me. Personally, I like one idea that was suggested. Sean Bean. I can see that happening. Maybe.
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