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Posted by jayde58 (Member # 8298) on :
 
I have been trying (in vain) to locate a copy of the article "Ender and Hitler" as well as OSC's response. My local library was unable to get it for me, and I can't find it on the Internet.

Can anyone help?

Thanks in advance,

Jenn
 
Posted by Lanfear (Member # 7776) on :
 
Elaine Radford wrote it. I can't locate it online either.
 
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
 
Here's a thread which will have almost all the information we have.

Note also the fact that this article is a sensitive topic for the Cards, for obvious reasons.
 
Posted by jayde58 (Member # 8298) on :
 
I understand that the subject may be sensitive, but largely I am interested in reading it because it sounds ludicrous. I also am very curious to see OSC's response to the article. I am in no way in accordance with Radford, but I have read a lot about the article, yet have not actually seen the article.
 
Posted by Gosu (Member # 5783) on :
 
quote:
I am interested in reading it because it sounds ludicrous
Hmmmm......
 
Posted by Antony (Member # 7947) on :
 
I always considered the termination of the buggers comparable to dropping the nuke...
 
Posted by docmagik (Member # 1131) on :
 
It's in one of the Contemporary Literary Criticism volumes, which most large libraries have in their refrence sections. It includes all of Card's response. It's the "CLC" books, and most volumes have a comprehensive index of other volumes, so you can just look up Card in the index and go from there.
 
Posted by jayde58 (Member # 8298) on :
 
Thank you so much for your help, docmagik. I'll check into that tomorrow.
 
Posted by socal_chic (Member # 7803) on :
 
I searched Google for the title of the article and then browsed the links it gave me. It's amazing how much free time people must have on their hands to come up with such blatant lies...it's unbelievable how willing people are to slander another's reputation for who knows what reason....it's just really sad, I couldn't believe it
 
Posted by Leon the Professional (Member # 8267) on :
 
I did a pretty extensive search, including Ender, Hitler, Card, Radford, and the title of Radford's article. I flat out don't think it's posted on the internet right now. If I can find a copy of it, I will definitely scan it or type it out for everyone.
 
Posted by Leon the Professional (Member # 8267) on :
 
Bah, ok, I think I may have found it. I found a couple of places that sell it, so I'll order it and try to make a copy of some kind that you all will be able to read [Big Grin]

Unless, of course, OSC himself has a copy...
 
Posted by Sid Meier (Member # 6965) on :
 
Its a conspiracy I tell you.
 
Posted by jayde58 (Member # 8298) on :
 
Well, I don't know if it is the complete text or not, but I found the one in the Contemporary Literary Criticism.

I have to say that I find Radford's case ridiculous, and Card's response brilliant.
 
Posted by docmagik (Member # 1131) on :
 
It's complete. Glad to help.
 
Posted by Orson Scott Card (Member # 209) on :
 
When someone has decided to hate an author, all his works suddenly become very bad or evil, on any pretext. One can only speculate on the agenda of the EW reviewer who just gave Magic Street a D.
 
Posted by BryanP (Member # 7772) on :
 
Well, it's EW, so I can't possibly imagine why anyone would care.
 
Posted by docmagik (Member # 1131) on :
 
I'm suprised the EW reviewer didn't mention Ornrey. Just about every negative review I've seen for it around the internet mention Card's articles at some point, as if the authors just can't manage to supress their real reasons for wanting to dislike the book.

I'm terribly curious about Radford's motivations. The whole idea of her article is just so ludicrous that the only thing I can figure it for was an attempt at publicity.

The way I see it, critics (including literary critics) are constantly trying to prove their worth by proving how much smarter they are than everybody else. If they only talk about things anybody can figure out, what purpouse do they serve?

So Radford, and others like her, venture out into the realm of grasping at straws, finding things no one else can find, not because Radford and her ilk are smarter, but because the things they're finding simply aren't there.

Radford's article is laughable. It's impression as a phantasmic article of legend is far more powerful than the silliness that is the article itself, which is why I don't hesitate to point people out to where to find it.
 
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
 
A D??? Ouch. Gotta read that review.

*Goes off to pirate EW*
 
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
 
Turns out you can just read it at ew.com ... no pirating necessary.
 


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