Ok I just finished shadow of the Giant, and I have a question. Is it possible that the financial planner that Bean suggested to protect Ender's money from Peter have anything to do with Jane in the Speaker series? It seems to me that there might be a connection and I would appreciate some clarification
Posted by Mindbowels (Member # 7407) on :
Read First Beginnings, I think it's available on the site. It will explain ALL that. It's also an excellent read and gives some more background to Ender's parents etc.
AND, it has the original Ender's Game story! What more could you want!
Posted by Julian Delphiki 2 (Member # 8864) on :
I want to know what happens to Bean in space and whether or not his genetic problem is figured out in his or his children's short lifetimes. But maybe that will be another *short* book
Posted by Mark (Member # 6393) on :
Nope, happy to say that will be a long one. Might be a while though.
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
Bean will die shortly into the bridge novel between his series and Ender's series.
The financial planner becomes Jane, which if you've read First Meetings and/or the Speaker series is discussed.
Posted by MrMojoDriver (Member # 8852) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mindbowels: Read First Beginnings, I think it's available on the site. It will explain ALL that. It's also an excellent read and gives some more background to Ender's parents etc.
AND, it has the original Ender's Game story! What more could you want!
I've always felt the tax collector story in First Beginnings, muddles the Enderverse. According to Xenocide and Children of the Mind, Val had ALOT less foreknowledge of Jane than seems possible to me what with Val and Jane "meeting" just after Ender's 21st birthday.
As far as Bean's financial advisor becoming Jane in no way is that directly possible as it was the Hive Queens who created Jane as a way to gain understanding of Ender and humanity.
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
I'm betting you, Mr. Mojo, have not read "The Financial Advisor." Because that story really explains the whole thing, and it also proves how wrong you are. But also somehow right. You need to pick up a copy of First Meetings if you haven't yet.
Also, you must not have read Shadow of the Giant. Because that also helps to explain. Read it if you haven't.
Posted by dancook25 (Member # 8870) on :
If I'm not mistaken, doesn't Card also explain in the Afterward of Shadow of the Giant that the system is meant to become Jane in the future?
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
I believe so, yes.
Posted by ArCHeR (Member # 6616) on :
It's not really that the system becomes Jane, so much as one of Jane's first expansions into the philotic web is through the fact that Graff's people unleash her (w/o knowing the she exists in the mind game) onto the stock market.
Posted by MrMojoDriver (Member # 8852) on :
quote:Originally posted by SteveRogers: I'm betting you, Mr. Mojo, have not read "The Financial Advisor." Because that story really explains the whole thing, and it also proves how wrong you are. But also somehow right. You need to pick up a copy of First Meetings if you haven't yet.
Also, you must not have read Shadow of the Giant. Because that also helps to explain. Read it if you haven't.
I have them both. Maybe I need to re-read First Meetings, but I read Shadow of the Giant not too long ago.
From what I recall of "The Financial Advisor" after Ender allows Jane to take care of his finances, Val has the opportunity to "meet" her and is told by Jane that Jane will be doing ONLY Ender's financial work. This I believe was Val and Jane's "first meeting", which leads back to my previous post, if Val is already that familiar with Jane why would she react as she did later on in the timeline...
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
Why would Val remember that interaction?
It was years later, and to Val Jane wasn't a person, just a program.
Posted by MrMojoDriver (Member # 8852) on :
when Val "re-met" Jane she was STILL just a program.
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
She was never 'just' a program. But initially that's how Val thought of her.
Which was why it didn't make an impression on her. Which is why she didn't remember.
Posted by ArCHeR (Member # 6616) on :
Or, OSC screwed up and that's how he'll justify it when asked... Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
If I were to dobie this thread, my subject line would be "Is Baen's financial strategy anything important", and the text of my post would link to here.
But I'm not going to do that.
Posted by MrMojoDriver (Member # 8852) on :
quote:Originally posted by El JT de Spang: She was never 'just' a program. But initially that's how Val thought of her.
Which was why it didn't make an impression on her. Which is why she didn't remember.
I just dont see Val forgetting Jane. Presumably Ender and Jane's "relationship" over the years slowly manifested itself into what we see in Speaker For The Dead, Xenocide, & Children of the Mind. And Val was with him the whole time minus the years they split up, her getting married, him going to find a home for the hive queen... And correct me if I'm wrong but Ender has the jewel piece in his ear BEFORE they split up?
Posted by ArCHeR (Member # 6616) on :
Jewels are as common as mobile phones today. It's just an iterface with the computer. Any interaction with Jane Val would see as Ender using a computer. I don't think she ever used her Jane face with Val present, and if she did it was rare enough not to stick out...
Posted by MrMojoDriver (Member # 8852) on :
She used her face in First Meetings, if I'm not mistaken (I'm sure someone will let me know if I am).
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Might be a while though.
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