Wouldn't surprise me if the review of the movie is spot-on, as far as its quality, but the film is actually based on a series of cartoons that appeared on MTV in the early 90's, first as very stylish silent shorts on Liquid Television,then as expanded, inferior 30 minute "talkies."
Maybe at some point there was a video game adapted from the TV show, but the source material is a cartoon.
Posted by WntrMute (Member # 7556) on :
Actually, I seem to recall Aeon Flux being a recurring comic in Heavy Metal magazine in the late 80's.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
What is this a correction to? Initially I thought that OSC must have reviewed Aeon Flux, but if he did I'm missing it (which is, of course, entirely possible).
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
[ December 12, 2005, 07:00 PM: Message edited by: mr_porteiro_head ]
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
Card realized the error right after the article was published, but the general points made in the article are valid, with or without the intro
I don't think he'd feel too bad admitting he didn't watch a lot of MTV in the nineties ...
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Ah. Thanks for the link, porter.
Posted by Orson Scott Card (Member # 209) on :
In watching the film, it was so absolutely videogamelike that it never crossed my mind that it might not be based on a game. It felt like I was watching somebody's idea of a really cool level, right down to having the Boss that you have to beat in order to win the level.
Even if it wasn't a game to start with, it was clearly designed to BE gamelike.
Either that or hack film writing is converging with the customs and formulas of the gaming world ...
Posted by Ginosion (Member # 7066) on :
I think the girl that plays Aeon should play Jane's head in the Speaker for the Dead movie (if there ever is going to be one).
Posted by Matt Lust (Member # 8929) on :
Charlize theron could do a pretty good Jane but I also think Scarlet Johansen (sp?) could do it well too.
Posted by Reshpeckobiggle (Member # 8947) on :
So why is Card's member number 209?
Posted by JennaDean (Member # 8816) on :
Reshpeckobiggle! What a great name!
Uh, don't know the answer to your question.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
This is a question that's asked at least once during every new member cycle.
Basically, all the original users were imported from the previous forum in batches. Anyone below around #240 or so existed in the earlier iteration of this place.
Posted by Reshpeckobiggle (Member # 8947) on :
Hmm. Interesting.
And yes, Reshpeckobiggle is a great name. Very respectable.
Posted by Occasional (Member # 5860) on :
Considering that Aeon Flux of MTV was like watching a video game where you didn't get to play, its not hard to see why the movie didn't have much story. The original didn't have any story.
Posted by Hitoshi (Member # 8218) on :
As a quick correction, Fable didn't actually add much that wasn't already out in video games. Good/Evil systems were around for a full year before it came out (See Knights of the Old Republic for Xbox) and open-ended gameplay, sans romance side quests, has been around for quite a long time in RPGs such as The Elder Scrolls series.
The only really new thing it offered was dynamic NPC reactions to your actions, something I do applaud it for.
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
Matters of opinion don't count as "corrections". Personally, I thought the multi-axis character morphing in Fable was pretty cool, and I don't think I'd ever seen it before.
Posted by Hitoshi (Member # 8218) on :
They're not neccessarily "matters of opinion" either though; concepts of a good and evil moral system, a working economy, and open-ended gameplay have been done before.
The two parts of Fable I listed in my previous post were two large selling points of the game, touted as revolutionary ideas, and I'm simply pointing out where it's been done before. I'm not saying Fable isn't innovative in how it executes these ideas. It built on these concepts in interesting and new ways. But the core ideas have been done before. That's all I'm saying.
I mean, don't get me wrong. I own the game, have beaten it once, and am working on my second playthrough. I love the game. But some of it has been done before, and I thought I may as well point out where, for the benefit of the people who enjoyed those features. I mean, if people liked Fable for those parts, why not tell them where they got it from? *shrug*
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
Oh, the original Aeon Flux anime was WAY better, don't get me wrong, the live action one was fun too. They gave all these little tributes to events that happened in the anime, the secret room under Trevor's bed, hands for feet, the harness you wear to ender this other dimension, the Relica (in TOS also reminded people of the past, but that Bregna and Monica were once one nation), the Wall and defenses, cloning, germs, odd technology. They seemed to have blended that strange resistance movement from episode "The Purge" and the nation of Monica. Odd... but it worked. They still had the Wall separating areas of the City at least.
I didn't like the younger brother of Trevor thing... I think they did that to show much more clearly the love/hate relationship that Aeon and Trevor have. One minute they are blood enemies and the next they are lovers. So instead of puting some REALLY cool situation where Trevor might have betrayed Aeon or something they just had his doppelganger do it instead.
But it still worked out ok. Peter Chung himself helped consult the movie makers...and I can see his touch here and there.
I see this movie as, with the rest of Aeon, just one more episode in a possible reality. Although you can tell the movie tried to tie together and to explain all the odd things that were TOS... like Aeon dying in every other episode to simply reappear in the next.
This was of course done originally to mess with conventions and poke fun at mainstream thinking of the audience and entertainment industry.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
I finally saw this, and I thought it was one of my 10 favorite sci-fi movies. but before I say that, I better make sure I can list 10 sci-fi movies that I like. Let's see:
Serenity Aliens Terminator 2 The Matrix First Contact 12 Monkeys The Voyage Home (ST IV) Aeon Flux Lilo and Stitch The Empire Strikes Back
Hmm. I probably left something important off there.
Anyway, I'm surprised Card didn't pick up on the similarity between the biochemical technology in the movie and his descoladores. I was also impressed that the cast was actually dominated by females, and that the heroes used guns. In watching the commentary, we learn that all the locations except for the interior of the relical were real places in Berlin.
I have to admit, though, that I was drawn in by seeing the commentary was by Gale Ann Hurd, who was involved with most of James Cameron's movies that were really good.
And in the end, it's okay to disagree about movies. I found "You've got Mail" nearly nauseating. Suum Cuique.
P.S. Okay, I need to fit Galaxy Quest on there somewhere. Hmmm hmmm hmmm. I'm looking hard at one of the Star Trek movies. I used to like ST III better than ST IV, so maybe I should take that off, or maybe I should punish Lucas by taking off ESB. Or maybe I don't call Galaxy Quest sci fi.
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What a great name!