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Posted by ThePygmalionEffect (Member # 8649) on :
Beware, spoilers.

I just finished reading The Crystal City and it left some things hanging. There was no closure with Calvin, the rystal city turns into a crystal tabernacle that doesn't even get built in the end, no writing in Taleswappers book, we never get to find out what happened with the two Crazy Christian rapists. . . Is Card writing another alvin maker book? I hope this isn't the last one. Maybe I just missed something.

*Edited to be less insulting

[ February 07, 2006, 02:01 PM: Message edited by: ThePygmalionEffect ]
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
There will be one more novel, and possibly one more short story.
Posted by ThePygmalionEffect (Member # 8649) on :
Thank God! Thanks for the info porteiro.
Posted by Advent 115 (Member # 8914) on :
Yeah, never under estimated OSC. He always comes through for his fans. Thats why we love him.
Posted by Sergeant (Member # 8749) on :
I had the same reaction when I finished Crystal City because I thought it was the last book. Great relief when I found out it was not.

Posted by Orson Scott Card (Member # 209) on :

Master Alvin - the Crystal City is built and destroyed, Alvin is killed, Arthur Stuart leads the people of CC across the Mizzippy and into the Red Lands to the west; Taleswapper gives the book to Arthur Stuart, and Peggy refuses to go west with them as the various parts of America plunge into war over the issue of slavery.

Now you don't have to buy the book.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
I still say you ought to include that synopsis in a preface to Seventh Son, so that people know what to expect. [Smile]
Posted by Sergeant (Member # 8749) on :
OSC, now that you put it that way I should have seen it all coming.


Still look forward to the book though [Smile]
Posted by Advent 115 (Member # 8914) on :
Of coarse. We always look forward to your books OSC. Even if you spoil them for us here on Hatrack. [Smile]
Posted by Rhapsody (Member # 6514) on :
not knowing what's coming next isn't what makes us want to read these books it's the styel and talent of the writer even in interesting plot line can be destroyed by a bad writer
Posted by ThePygmalionEffect (Member # 8649) on :
Is it me or did OSC sound pissed off?
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
In my experience, when OSC is actually pissed off, it's been unnecessary to ask if that's the case. [Smile]
Posted by sarcare (Member # 8736) on :
I also just finished reading Crystal City, and since I knew it was based more or less around the life of Joseph Smith I knew where it was going. Plus, Peggy predicts Alvin's death in almost every single book, so it isn't a big surpise.
Posted by JennaDean (Member # 8816) on :
Somehow, even knowing it was based on Joseph Smith's life, I still managed to delude myself into hoping that Peggy would be wrong, and he wouldn't die (at least not before the happy ending of the series). *sigh*

Of course, it's all in how you write it ... death is often not the worst thing that can happen. We managed to get through Ender's death without it feeling like such a tragedy. But if it's really based on Joseph Smith's life, it's not going to be a pleasant letting go of an old friend.... There goes that hope.

I'm glad I didn't hear the speculations about Dumbledore before I read HP6! There are some things I'd rather not know ahead of time.
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
Or just phrase it less insultingly.
Posted by Advent 115 (Member # 8914) on :
When has OSC ever been mad on Hatrack?

The closest I've seen to him being made was when someone posted Fan Fiction of the Enderverse on Hatrack, and he locked the thread.

Sorry, I meant mad not made

[ February 08, 2006, 12:26 AM: Message edited by: Advent 115 ]
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Made? As in recognized, or constructed?
Posted by Puppy (Member # 6721) on :
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Ah. I've never seen that particular misspelling before.
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
I'm not sure if this is included in this topic or not, but i didn't want to start a new CC thread. i had originally read these books out of order (for reasons of availability and extreme impatience) and assumed that some of the things that have already happened at the beginning of CC would be covered in Heartfire. Upon starting the series again and reading it in order, i've become a little confused because some of these things do not occur in Heartfire, ie: meeting abe and coz, meeting jim bowie, having a baby that died, to name a few. am i just an idiot? did i miss a novel or short story somewhere? or were these first mentioned in the opening chapters of CC. i'm not criticizing, because if they are first mentioned in CC, thats great, i just want to make sure i haven't missed anything.

[ February 08, 2006, 04:13 PM: Message edited by: vonk ]
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
You missed a few short stories.
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
d-oh! i see. would you happen to know where one can find them?
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
or even the titles of them so i could search would be cool.
Posted by Joshua Newberry (Member # 7864) on :
The Grinning Man and Yazoo Queen, found in Legends I and Legends II respectively, edited by Robert Silverburg.
Posted by Flaming Toad on a Stick (Member # 9302) on :
I read "The grinning Man" Before I even read Ender's Game. It was what introduced me to OSC.

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