Hello,OSC and every one here.I'm a new member from China.I'm happy to enter this forum.OSC,I like your books very much and I found that many things in your book are reletive to China.Like our religion,culture and so on. I like your writting style.And want to communicate with you.But I just know a little English.Please accept me and my points. Thank you.
[ February 21, 2006, 10:33 AM: Message edited by: valantin ]
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Welcome to Hatrack Valantin.
Ni hao, ni shunti hao ma?
As you can see I'm slowly trying to learn Mandarin, maybe you can help me? my msn is sid_meier@hotmail.com. Posted by valantin (Member # 9185) on :
I'm so glad to meet you here.I'd like to do anything to help you to leatn Mandarin.Could you tell me where are you from?Could you help me with English too?
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
Welcome to hatrack.
Posted by valantin (Member # 9185) on :
Thanks.^-^ Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
mei wen ti valantin
you ren he ying wen de wen ti ni xiang dong ni dang ran ke yi wen women
Alot of people complain about Xenocide when I talk to them about OSC's books and I just have to disagree with them. For me having such...CHINESE Chinese characters was very refreshing. I always wondered how Mr. Card knew so much about how Chinese people think/act. I am American but I grew up in China, I love going there whenever I can. Again welcome to the hatrack community valantin.
Posted by Earendil18 (Member # 3180) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: Welcome to Hatrack Valantin.
Ni hao, ni shunti hao ma?
As you can see I'm slowly trying to learn Mandarin, maybe you can help me? my msn is sid_meier@hotmail.com.
Me too! I'll help!
Posted by oolung (Member # 8995) on :
hello, Valantin! 我问你好。我也要帮助你！ Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I'm from Canada, Quebec and of course I'll help you with your english, currently I'm helping 2 Chinese girls, one bulgarian and 2 Czech's learn English all over ICQ/MSN But its always great to have more.
Currently I'm on a good terms with 4 Chinese people, plus many other who I know of www.sinodefenceforum.com
I'll accept you to my msn (assuming you added me) as soon s I get home .
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Welcome, Valantin!
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
Welcomes all around. And, by the way, its okay Valantin. I'm American and I don't speak English very well either.
Posted by xxsockeh (Member # 9186) on :
Welcome to Hatrack! Good luck with your learning English!
I love Chinese & Japanese culture (and Korean, to a lesser extent). Nice to know that some people from those countries are here!
Posted by Uprooted (Member # 8353) on :
Hello, valantin! And if something you read here doesn't make sense to you, don't assume it's because of your English -- sometimes we just don't make a lot of sense! Posted by valantin (Member # 9185) on :
Thanks for your kindness.I'm so happy to have so many friends here.And I'd like to introduce Chinese culture to you.And i hope to learn more American customs from you.Be friends always! Thanks again! Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
China? Neat.
About the American Customs thing; you may not want them so much. If you want to eat a lot and waste resorces, WELCOME TO AMERICAN CULTURE!
I've had a few discussions about China on these boards. So... What's China like?
Posted by valantin (Member # 9185) on :
Well. In my points,our country is too big,too many people,too competitive.As a student,we have too much homework,we must study harder and harder to get good grades.We have little rest,we are too tired.But i like our culture,it's a magic!Sometiemes i can't believe that we have such a long history! Now,Chinese young people are being more and more fashion.Most of us can accept foreign culture.And like to communicate with foreigners. we joined WTO,we holded inter national sports games.More and more people start to know us.I'm proud of my country!
[ February 22, 2006, 09:54 AM: Message edited by: valantin ]
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I'm just saying that it's proud, not pride. It would be I am proud or "I have pride in my countries exploits..."
But aside from this little quibbles you do possess an excellent grasp of the english language. Posted by valantin (Member # 9185) on :
THX Blayne. Well,it's not early here,and i must go to bed. See you tommorrow Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
are you steven two seven eight @ hotmail.com? I have another chinese person who just added me, I'm wondering if hes from SDF or from you. And good night cya this afternoon.
Posted by xxsockeh (Member # 9186) on :
I'm in agreement with Blayne - you seem to be doing very well with English! I'm learning Japanese (self-taught), and I find it quite difficult. ^^;;
When talking to some people from my school over the internet, it seems as though you know English much better than they do!
[ February 22, 2006, 02:11 PM: Message edited by: xxsockeh ]
Posted by valantin (Member # 9185) on :
oh i think not my MSN has some troubles that i can't use. i try to fix it.But it needs time.
Posted by valantin (Member # 9185) on :
xxsockeh i think that Japanese is quite difficult our school taught us a little,but i think i can't learn it well. so ,good luck
Posted by Earendil18 (Member # 3180) on :
For me, Japanese is hard because of how sentences are usually arranged. They are completely backwards from how we arrange sentences.
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
Welcome, valantin!
What books by Card have you read? Is western science fiction hard to get in China?
Posted by oolung (Member # 8995) on :
At least we know they have OSC's books there (see the main page )
(BTW, I love Japanese words derived from English ones: spoonu, fooku, naifu... )
Posted by Sid Meier (Member # 6965) on :
naifu???
yes which OSC books are availiable in Zhongguo?
Posted by xxsockeh (Member # 9186) on :
quote:Originally posted by valantin: xxsockeh i think that Japanese is quite difficult our school taught us a little,but i think i can't learn it well. so ,good luck
Lol, thanks. Posted by valantin (Member # 9185) on :
OH~ <<Ender's Game>>,<<Speaker for the dead>>,<<Xenocide>>and <<Ender's shadow>>are availiable in China. I think that westurn SF is quite popular here. More and more people buy the books like these.
Posted by valantin (Member # 9185) on :
Morbo,i think not.But SF in China is not as popular as it in westurn countries.
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
valantin, that's too bad. Maybe SF will gain popularity in the future in China.
oolung, you left out the funniest: bushu-suru, "to do a Bush", the act of vomiting all over someone. Derived from the incident when President Bush Sr. barfed in the lap of the Emperor of Japan in 1992, during a state dinner.
Posted by valantin (Member # 9185) on :
Well i hope so.And i know that OSC's one book will be published in China~
Posted by valantin (Member # 9185) on :
But i don't know which book. I just heard it.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by valantin: Well. In my points,our country is too big,too many people,too competitive.As a student,we have too much homework,we must study harder and harder to get good grades.We have little rest,we are too tired.But i like our culture,it's a magic!Sometiemes i can't believe that we have such a long history! Now,Chinese young people are being more and more fashion.Most of us can accept foreign culture.And like to communicate with foreigners. we joined WTO,we holded inter national sports games.More and more people start to know us.I'm proud of my country!
I find it interesting too, as many have noted, that China has existed as an advanced civilization, and with nearly continuous solidarity for countless centuries. Yet today many Americans and Europeans fear the rise of chinese industrialism and commercialism, partly because some of us see China as backward. We fear perhaps, that if China is the future power, they will somehow not get it right, and Our history will be lost.
Nevertheless you want to communicate with us in our language, and that is something few of us would be willing or able to do if the roles were reversed. So I wonder at the paranoia some feel about change.
Posted by valantin (Member # 9185) on :
Orincoro It's too hard for me to understand it.I don't know what does this mean"So I wonder at the paranoia some feel about change"
Posted by xxsockeh (Member # 9186) on :
Valantin, I have a question for you. Do you see anyone still wearing traditional clothing?
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
"So I wonder at the paranoia some feel about change"
Paranoia means fear that you think everyone is out to hurt you. It doesn't make sense, it's illogical. At it's worst, it's mental illness, paranoid schizoprenia.
In this sentence, I guess Orinoco means he doesn't understand the illogical, unreasonable fear that some people have about change.
However, Orinoco, it's not unreasonable to be upset or afraid of future change if you feel your culture or nation is no longer going to dominate the world the way it once did.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Also Valantin www.goteamspeak.com, if you have a microphone we can talk to each other, its like Skype.
Oh I also use icq, my number is 205-365-489.
I look forward to meeting you Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
Eh, if the US doesn't dominate the world, it will just be that both the US, and China are superpowers. The WORST that could happen, would be we get in the spot of Great Britain, and are only a world power, instead of a superpower. Who knows, China may be a Superpower by 2020.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Depends, I like the Firefly future where the cultures merge.
Aside from that, there's no doubt that the US will to a certain extent lose its position but HOW and to what extent is another story and will very much depend on the top level leadership decisions in the next 15 years.
Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
As Hyperpower, the US will probably lose its posistion, but no doubt, it will remain a superpower. China on the other hand, may have a hard time, especially if what some predict, comes true. Many say that the manufacturing industry will go the way farming, and take a backseat in the economy. I certaintly hope (no offense to Valatin, or anyone for that matter,) that China does NOT become a superpower in any way.
I do not fear this, and it is not as if I don't like China, it's just that China is a communist nation, and as the world has shown several times over, Communism doesn't work. If China becomes a Superpower whilst being communist, then it will assuredly have very troubling times or fall, when it eventually reverts to capitolism.
As to what would cause China to become a superpower, or the US not to be, the only thing I can think of, is WW III.
Posted by valantin (Member # 9185) on :
quote:Originally posted by xxsockeh: Valantin, I have a question for you. Do you see anyone still wearing traditional clothing?
Now nobody wears traditional long clothing,but someones wear traditional clothing with fashion elements.
Posted by valantin (Member # 9185) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reticulum: As Hyperpower, the US will probably lose its posistion, but no doubt, it will remain a superpower. China on the other hand, may have a hard time, especially if what some predict, comes true. Many say that the manufacturing industry will go the way farming, and take a backseat in the economy. I certaintly hope (no offense to Valatin, or anyone for that matter,) that China does NOT become a superpower in any way.
I do not fear this, and it is not as if I don't like China, it's just that China is a communist nation, and as the world has shown several times over, Communism doesn't work. If China becomes a Superpower whilst being communist, then it will assuredly have very troubling times or fall, when it eventually reverts to capitolism.
As to what would cause China to become a superpower, or the US not to be, the only thing I can think of, is WW III.
I agree with you.Although i'm a chinese, I dont like many things here,and i dont think communist party is a good one(despite a few of them not too bad???)
Posted by valantin (Member # 9185) on :
quote:Originally posted by Morbo: "So I wonder at the paranoia some feel about change"
Paranoia means fear that you think everyone is out to hurt you. It doesn't make sense, it's illogical. At it's worst, it's mental illness, paranoid schizoprenia.
In this sentence, I guess Orinoco means he doesn't understand the illogical, unreasonable fear that some people have about change.
However, Orinoco, it's not unreasonable to be upset or afraid of future change if you feel your culture or nation is no longer going to dominate the world the way it once did.
Thank you so much for explaining this to me.Now i get it,thx again!!! Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
Yes, I do have to have to agree with you Valatin. There are always exceptions in every circumstance.
Mao Zedong...
Probably the worst leader in history. I mean sure, he brought China to power, but look what he did. Killed 48 Million people in the process. Well hopefully, China will become a capitolist nation before they become a superpower. If that happens, they may one day reach the power the US has today. They will put much more into space exploration, then the US have.
We have put a lot in though...
Posted by xxsockeh (Member # 9186) on :
Now nobody wears traditional long clothing,but someones wear traditional clothing with fashion elements.
Well, that's cool that they still wear some. But that's too bad...the clothing is one of my favourite parts of Chinese & Japanese culture.
I have 1 Chinese shirt and 1 Chinese dress. =D They're really cool. Posted by valantin (Member # 9185) on :
quote:Originally posted by xxsockeh: Now nobody wears traditional long clothing,but someones wear traditional clothing with fashion elements.
Well, that's cool that they still wear some. But that's too bad...the clothing is one of my favourite parts of Chinese & Japanese culture.
I have 1 Chinese shirt and 1 Chinese dress. =D They're really cool.
Can you show the pics of your Chinese clothing to me? Posted by valantin (Member # 9185) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reticulum: Yes, I do have to have to agree with you Valatin. There are always exceptions in every circumstance.
Mao Zedong...
Probably the worst leader in history. I mean sure, he brought China to power, but look what he did. Killed 48 Million people in the process. Well hopefully, China will become a capitolist nation before they become a superpower. If that happens, they may one day reach the power the US has today. They will put much more into space exploration, then the US have.
We have put a lot in though...
It shows that you have a great interest in politics.I think you'll be a big person in the future. Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Just so you know the PRC's economy is much healthier then the USSR's ever was at its height. And for all things considered Communist only in name.
Posted by xxsockeh (Member # 9186) on :
Can you show the pics of your Chinese clothing to me?
Sure! But I'm not at home right now. I get back on Sunday night, so I'll take the pictures then. Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
Actually Blayne, China is VERY communist right now. The government are the ones who really hold all of the money. The average person in the U.S. earns about $40,000 a year. That's quite a bit; third highest in the world. In the PRC however, the average person earns $5,600 a year. Just so you know, that's over $10,000 below the poverty line. In the U.S. that is.
But then, even right now China is becoming capitolist. We just have to hope this swich is complete before they become a superpower.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
Valantin, I have a quick question. I heard somewhere that the Chinese government monitors all internet activity. Is that true?
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Communist in a economic sense of what people attribute to it is:
Heavy handed centralized planning
Inefficient economics
government monopoly on everything
The PRC while owning some industries is not hovever communist in the definition of centralized planning on the Soviet Model. They are a market oriented economy where all citizens have the right to buy and sell property. They recieve much investment from oversea's.
Money being controlled by the government? As in terms of the banks being controlled? I think that is a plus considering that banking establishments may not have the government's/nation's true interests at heart. I forget the term, Kensian Economics or something.
So it went up by a 1000 since you last checked thats a plus aint it? And if it keeps going up at the rate of 1000 per year, then it should reach NA norms in 35 years. Not bad.
An authoritan style of government does not equate Communist in theory or in practice, the economics are highly socialist with characteristics adapted first by Mao and then by Deng Xiaopeng (technically not BY himself per se, it was mostly bottom up reforms compared to Russia's top-down).
In fact if I remember correctly the PRC government stripped the PLA of many of its monopolies to prevent corruption and put them in the market for public ownership. But compensated the PLA somewhat so not to many were hurt by it.
Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
Right. So, you are saying that China is not communist? If you are, then you are dumb. And as for the average income. I said it was 5,600, not 5,200. The national average went up 600, not $1,000. And yes, $400 doed make a huge difference.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I am saying they are only Communist in name, the average yearly earnings of some if I am correct 700,000 people in agriculture is definately going to skew the average income by quit a bit. Though recent measures such as the abolishment of the agricultural tax should help alliviate the plight of farmers.
Are you saying that your basing wether or not a Country is Communist on how much the average earnings are? Then alot of african nations are also by that definition communist.
Communist in the economic form as we know it otherwise interpreted as Soviet Model of Centralized Planning quite frankly China is not.
quote:The shift from a command economy to a market economy has proven to be difficult; in particular, there were no theoretical guides for doing so before the 1990s. One transition from a command economy to a market economy that is widely considered to be successful is that of the People's Republic of China, in which there was a period of some years lasting roughly until the early 1990s during which both the command economy and the market economy coexisted, so that nobody would be much worse off under a mixed economy than a command economy, while some people would be much better off. Gradually, the parts of the economy under the command economy decreased until the mid-1990s when resource allocation was almost completely determined by market mechanisms.
By contrast, the Soviet Union's transition was much more problematic and its successor republics faced a sharp decline in GDP during the early 1990s. While the situation has since improved, these countries have yet to generate the high rate of sustained economic growth that China has.
*smug*
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
How did we manage to turn this into another PRC debate?
Posted by valantin (Member # 9185) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr Strangelove: Valantin, I have a quick question. I heard somewhere that the Chinese government monitors all internet activity. Is that true?
I don't think so. Maybe they know we are discussing something.But i don't think they joined us Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
But what if they're Al Gore and INVENTED the internet?
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I would love for a PRC Offical to join the convo at Hatrack, just to see if they can hold up under the same pressure I do
And pfft, everyone knows that Al Gore is secretely working for Microsoft.
So, got MSN working yet?
Posted by valantin (Member # 9185) on :
No Maybe you can send e-mails to me my e-mail address is meeker1@163.com
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