Now don't say Ender, cause we all know it is practilly impossible to be alot like him. But still, who do you think you are most like in enders universe?
Posted by Zotto! (Member # 4689) on :
Olhado and Graff.
In, uh, very different ways. *grin*
Posted by Orson Scott Card (Member # 209) on :
I have Graff's weight problem.
Posted by Flaming Toad on a Stick (Member # 9302) on :
Miro, Valentine and Quim, all mixed together.
Posted by CRash (Member # 7754) on :
Hmmm. Valentine with a touch of Plikt, I think. And possibly some Dink.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Ender is not a god. He is not without flaws. Why is it not possible to be a lot like him?
I feel like I share more traits with Ender (including the aforementioned flaws) than with OSC's other characters. *shrug* I certainly don't feel like I have a lot in common with Bean or Alvin.
I probably share a lot of characteristics with Graff as well. (But then, now that I think about it, there are some parallels between Graff and Ender as well.)
Posted by Lucky_Sean (Member # 6223) on :
Stangely I would say Bean - part of me is just like him, well how he was, and what he became is more like what I am now. Weird since im in acting heh.
Posted by dantesparadigm (Member # 8756) on :
I guess I kind of feel like I have Bean's emotionless calculating of factors, although I've never had to face quite the same circumstances as him.
He's easy to identify with, what with the self imposed isolation from society, very nerd friendly trait.
Posted by I Am The War Chief (Member # 9266) on :
Id say im more like beans brother nikolai, genius in my own right but in a school full of kids that make me look average
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
Dink
Posted by RunningBear (Member # 8477) on :
Crazy Tom,
I get really angry at people doing stupid things...
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
Achilles! Not really though, probably Bean.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by Icarus: Ender is not a god. He is not without flaws. Why is it not possible to be a lot like him?
I think Ender is on one hand an impossible selfless and nobe person. On the other he is terribly bad at living a normal life, and that is certainly a common trait.
I am more like Achilles. I can't bear shame very well, but I've learned that caring about it often makes it harder to avoid, and easier to produce. Plus I don't kill people... Posted by Phelan (Member # 7934) on :
I would be the captain of the ship that launched the final attack on the Hive Queen's homeworld. Doing my duty for what I believe in even knowing that my life is already lost.
Posted by johnplaystuba (Member # 8792) on :
I think I'm a lot like Measure. Maybe I'm idealizing myself, but he always loved his siblings with this ferocity that was just admirable. He also had some awkward ways of expressing said loyalty in 'Red Prophet' i.e.- kneeing Ta-kumsaw in the pebbles while trying to prove his 'honor'... not that i've ever done that.
Posted by Leia Atreides (Member # 9227) on :
I think I fit in a totally different universe
But in Enderverse... hard to say, probably Valentine with some mix of Ender-Peter. It's weird to think about myself as one of the characters, but it's not impossible. Actually, I think characters of fiction can provide useful insights to the archetypal nature of psyche, and though I'm no Jungian, I think it's something of a help to coping with daily reality...
Posted by Kristen (Member # 9200) on :
I relate a lot better to Alvin's world than Ender's. Maybe it is because I'm not a genius? Or, um, militaristically inclined (I don't think I've ever won a game of Risk).
That being said, I suppose I am most like Bean because he is more of a behind-the-scenes personality, but because of that, spends a lot of time observing and piecing everything together.
Posted by Soara (Member # 6729) on :
Jane. I know everything. Obviously.
Posted by Luet13 (Member # 9274) on :
I think I am some some strange combination of Luet, Jane, Arthur Stuart, Wang Mu, and Petra. Something about those sarcastic, smart, sharp witted folks rings very true to me. Weird, I never really thought about this too much.
Posted by Scullibundo (Member # 8521) on :
Not Ender's Game, but I really relate with Nafai.
Posted by Orson Scott Card (Member # 209) on :
Also interesting: Which character do you aspire to be? Which do you FEAR you might resemble? Which would you least like to have to room with? <grin>
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I aspire to be Theresa Wiggin.
I would *like* to be Elmak if only he would pull his head out of his backside.
I'm afraid that I resemeble the protagonist in the short story where the guy comes home and finds a coffin in his living room.
Posted by Wusong101 (Member # 9292) on :
I think I'm a lot like Bean... or maybe I just aspire to be like him. In response to Kristen, I love Risk! And to Orson Scott Card, I fear that I might resemble Achilles.
Posted by CRash (Member # 7754) on :
Aspire to be: probably like Olhado, content with a family.
Fear I resemble: Plikt, too much, because I think sometimes I don't engage in conversation enough and just stand on the sidelines.
And for the roomie, would anyone here seriously want to live with Achilles? Seriously?
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by Orson Scott Card: Also interesting: Which character do you aspire to be? Which do you FEAR you might resemble? Which would you least like to have to room with? <grin>
Peter is the only character who doesn't bear the burden of needing or wanting to be perfect. Bean Petra, and Ender all suffer from "dear god don't let me screw up because I have to live a perfect life," syndrome. I fear that I am more like a worker than anything else, what if my will has been usurped without me even knowing it? And who controls me now?
Peter is well aware of who is in control, and what that control costs him, and gains for him. There's nothing wrong with thinking evil thoughts, as long as you know they're evil. If you end up doing good things, then your a good person; after all don't Christians believe that Jesus died under the weight of the sins of the world? That's alot of bad karma, but he was a decent guy.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by CRash: And for the roomie, would anyone here seriously want to live with Achilles? Seriously?
Imagine the parties you could get into! Posted by opiejudy (Member # 9301) on :
It depends on the book I am reading. Books play like movies in my head, and quite often I inset myself into them.
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
Character I think I am like: Arthur Stuart, sarcastic and self assured and gets annoyed when people think he can't handle or understand things.
Character I aspire be like: Issib, able to handle all of the unfortunate consequences of life without complaint and excell at absolutely everything that he is physically capable of.
Character I fear I might be like: Vas, harboring ancient grudges and being so coldly calculating as to cut myself off from my community in order to get back at the offenders.
Character I would least like to room with: Mebbekew, because I am sure he wouldn't care if I were in the room when he brought home the ladies and he would probably eat my food and not buy more.
Hmm... I guess I identify with the Homecoming Series quite a bit.
Posted by Jqueasy (Member # 7085) on :
I think I am a mix between Val and Quim.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I want to be like Peter but fear I might be more like Achilles.
I certaintly have Achilles urges to murder people who make me look stupid. *glares*
KoM believes I resemble Carn Carby. Though the issue is do any of us know who Carn Carby is personally?
Posted by whoelse10 (Member # 9331) on :
me? i more like Bean, in growth... two years ago i was shorter than everyone, and now i am one of the tallest person in my area, and also i am more like Peter in intellingence, i am almost like Peter's style of thinking and he has the same lifestyle i do
[ April 10, 2006, 11:05 PM: Message edited by: whoelse10 ]
Posted by Hamson (Member # 7808) on :
I'd say I'm closest to both Ender and Peter- I'm always trying to think of new, different ways to do things that don't necessarily pertain to the rules, but don't break them either. I aim to never make the same mistake twice (of course, this is difficult in certain states of mind), and I'm independent from the whole, but like working personally with teams. And I'm like Peter in the sense that I prefer working behind the scenes to get stuff done.
I aspire to be someone both like Ender and Measure, if that's possible-- Ender's way of strategically thinking and working for solutions, and Measures strength and closeness to his friends, family and community.
I can't really pinpoint anyone that I fear I might resemble.
And I think I'd have to go with the general consensus here and say that I would NOT like to room with Achilles, and also probably not William Henry Harrison.
Posted by Corin224 (Member # 9337) on :
Well, I have to say the reason I loved Ender's Game so much was because I identified so closely with Ender. Perhaps I am/have been imposing a bit of my own psyche on him, but the dualities in his personality so closely mirror my own perception of myself it's uncanny. In particular, I identify with his:
confidence / uncertainty - He is capable enough, intelligent enough, and ferocious enough to accomplish any task, but is constantly afraid there's something just up ahead that will crush him.
connectedness / isolation - He finds people's strengths and brings those out. He creates bonds that inspire loyalty, even as he keeps himself isolated and not fully (or really even mostly) connected, even with his closest friends.
gentleness / brutality - He has no desire to hurt anybody, wants to just leave them alone and be left alone, but when it's time for action, there's no such thing as fair play. It's always fast, decisive action once the pacificst route has failed. No pulled punches, no holds barred.
strength / exhaustion - He always seems to find the inner drive and reserves to keep going, even as he is battling the exhaustion and resultant lack of quality in his performance that such effort causes.
Perhaps those are all part of the human condition, and that's why we all love this book so much. If Ender is the literary incarnation of all of our lives, no wonder we all love reading about how that life would have such an amazingly positive effect, at such a terrible price. It makes us feel like we might have a point to existing, and inspires us to live up our full potential, even as we're thankful we only have our own problems to deal with, rather than the ones of such epic proportions as he faces.
Or maybe that's just my experience. But I can tell you that's why I identify more fully with Ender than any other character in any of OSC's books.
(edit after having read the follow up question)
I aspire to be Valentine, I think. At least the compassionate, empathetic, deft, devious manipulator part of her.
I am most afraid of becoming Calvin. The one with all the gifts who squanders them on stupidity, shortsightedness, and greed.
Actually, I don't fear becoming Calvin much because my motives are so unlike his. I can't think of a suitable character in an OSC story, but I most fear becoming the person who slowly . . . almost imperceptibly, allows their good motives to lead them into more and more evil actions, until they can rationalize the most evil things with their "good" motives. I think Calvin is probably the closest character to that description, but if anybody can think of another that fits better, feel free to suggest.
(/edit)
- Falken224 (posing as Corin)
[ April 12, 2006, 06:25 PM: Message edited by: Corin224 ]
Posted by forensicgeek (Member # 8430) on :
I'm a lot like Petra.
I think I would aspire to be like Alai, because he's a good friend and has earned people's respect.
I probably resemble Ender in a lot of ways, at least in personality and his relationships with people.
Posted by Zenox (Member # 8987) on :
I have some things in common with Ender and Bean, thought it's really not possible for me to be exactly like either of them. Certaintly, both of them are smarter than me. ~.^
Posted by Dog Walker (Member # 8301) on :
I think im a lot like Alai because I am always the "helpful friend" to the Enders in my life. I tend to be the number 2 man that gets along with everyone.
I aspire to be Peter in his later years (once he no longer killed animals for the fun of it). I like that he was able to become a good man and change the world.
I would not like to turn out to be Bonzo. He let his pride take over and caused him to very stupid things.
Posted by Julia (Member # 9244) on :
I'm Shedemai all the way.
I aspire to be Luet.
I fear I might resemble Quara.
I'd marry someone like Alvin. Or maybe even post-CotM Peter. Ok no who I'd REALLY marry is Miro. Or Mon for that matter.
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
Which Luet?
Posted by Darakemba (Member # 9341) on :
Um this may sound werid becasue I'm a male but I see myself as Hushidh or Cheveya becasue I do notice connections between people, obviously not like they did with the connecting strands and everything but when I see two people on campus or something I can pick up their subtleties and notice how they interact with others and that then leads to how they are connected with them. It sounds weird but I notice things like that.
I aspire to be like Elemak without the whole superiority complex becasue of the way he leads people and can be fair at times.
I fear I'm alot like Obring without the whole sleeping around thing becasue he is just there for most of the journey except for his tracking abilites which are not exclusive to him. I guess I'm trying to say I'm useless except for a couple things that I'm really good at.
As for a room mate I would have to say Issib because of his neverending genrosity(SP) to others. Even though he was born a cripple and confined to his chair or floats he still has a bright outlook on life and has never let his situation get the best of him.
(I apologize for my awful spelling but mu computer doesn't have and document editing software at all so I have to make do with my own spelling which at times can be great and others not so great)
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
I'm totally Bonzo.
Posted by Julia (Member # 9244) on :
quote: Which Luet?
The first one. Nafai's Luet.
Posted by Leia Atreides (Member # 9227) on :
I think I aspire to be Nafai. He wasn't too much believer of anything, nor good guy like Ender. Nafai with some blend of Valentine (I mean Valentine-Demosthenes mostly. That's me, the essayist for human and others rights, unluckilly for now just an essayist, which helps noone :] )
And fear... well. I think I haven't found someone that terrible in your novels or shortstories, Orson, that I'd fear I resemble. Closest to mix between Calvin and Mebbekew (or how's that guy spelled- it's been a while since I read Homecoming).
Manipulator part of me isn't what I fear, because, after all, everybody manipulates *somebody*, it's the part of me that would be capable of physical violence... and to that I don't find quite matching counterparts in those books. Maybe someone comes to mind later. It's not like I'd love torture, but I know I'd be capable of killing if someone touched my dearest. (of course, don't take the "touch" word literally) I don't know how about physical part of it, but I don't have barrieers when disputing about "rightness" of the act. It might not be moral act, but I'd believe it was right.
Posted by TheMaker (Member # 7957) on :
Although my name is TheMaker, I don't see myself as Alvin... Out of the Ender series I think I relate the most to Vlad, or possibly Peter, more likely a mix of both.
Like, with Vlad I'm not used to having my advice taken, and I'm easily swayed by certain things, like Achilles, and with Peter I tend to have great intentions, but go about it wrong, or hurt people's feelings in the process.
Posted by Sage Zander (Member # 9344) on :
Peter, without a doubt. Same feelings towards my family in a lot of ways, same ways of getting things done, same thinking process. Same ambition. It's sort of scarey.
My second would probably be Human.
Posted by Jimbo the Clown (Member # 9251) on :
Me=Arthur Stuart (A misfit no matter where I go, occasional unwilling leader, smarter than people give me credit for, feels inferior to my friends even though I'm still good in my own way, speaks several languages, raised by people that aren't my real parents though they act like it, a disaffected father, hates my best friend's brother, casts magic spells... wait a second... )
I want to be... me. I like who I am. (It's all good, dew-d!)
I fear I might resemble the pequininos (well-meaning but gravely insulting because I don't understand those around me)
I'd hate to room with Volescu (pompous, power-hungry, conniving liar!)
Posted by Althai (Member # 9275) on :
The Hive Queen
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
I've been told I'm a lot like Petra. I haven't thought much about the similarities between us (mostly because I'm a guy, she's a girl, its weird to think about), but I've been told that at least 3 times, and every time I take that "Which army would you be in?" quiz, I end up in Phoenix. Dink also. I can identify with his anarchist viewpoint. The teachers are the real enemy.
I would aspire to be Bean. I will likely write more about that in my upcoming landmark (see the Other Side in a few weeks).
I fear I might resemble Achilles most. I always fear I look a bit power mad, or I'm manipulative and egotistical ... also, the whole thing about the world bending to fit his desires ... I've had flashes of those thoughts before, which is ... disconcerting. And also those 'impulses' he speaks of - Mine may not be of the same nature, but nonetheless I do sometimes have these ... well, impulses which are rather hard to supress.
I would least like to room with ... Valentine or Peter probably. Valentine because I would probably become smitten with her and she would find me repuslive and it would just be miserable to be in the same room with her (yeah, I've thought about this one some. lol). Or Peter because he would likely make me feel worthless, which is, to me, the worst feeling in the world.
Posted by trance (Member # 6623) on :
Garfield
Posted by trance (Member # 6623) on :
the big, fat, orange cat!
Posted by whoelse10 (Member # 9331) on :
If you were to pick any of the charcter to replace President Bush, who would it be? ... me it would be Peter as the President of the United States of America!!(hail the king!) The Vice-President would be... no clue, but not Dick Cheney... and the Military Commander would be an easy guess.. Ender Wiggin...
Posted by BlueBambue (Member # 8656) on :
I think I am most like Bean. I've gone through, to a lesser extent, the same totaly logical to some emontions journey.
I fear that I am like Achillies because I'm afraid my fear of failure will make me avoid the people (not kill them ) that have seem me at my weaker points. If I did that I would lose my friends.
Posted by Althai (Member # 9275) on :
quote:Originally posted by whoelse10: If you were to pick any of the charcter to replace President Bush, who would it be? ... me it would be Peter as the President of the United States of America!!(hail the king!) The Vice-President would be... no clue, but not Dick Cheney... and the Military Commander would be an easy guess.. Ender Wiggin...
I think that Valentine would be a much better president than Peter. She would be equally effective (what she lacks in ruthlessness she makes up for in her ability to make other people see things her way), but would be a more compassionate leader. Ender strikes me as too full of self-doubt and self-loathing to be a truly great leader (at least after the events of Ender's game), but if he had grown up in a different environment, he probably would have made the perfect president. Peter is too manipulative, but we never really get much of a chance to see him after he mellows. (Although I have yet to read SotG - waiting for more Audible listener credits. )
David
Posted by trance (Member # 6623) on :
I have Bean's paranoia....
Posted by whoelse10 (Member # 9331) on :
quote:I think that Valentine would be a much better president than Peter. She would be equally effective (what she lacks in ruthlessness she makes up for in her ability to make other people see things her way), but would be a more compassionate leader. [/QB]
I disagree with you, but you Peter will be a better President than Valentine, because Peter is not scared to make mistakes, and he understands the stiuation. Val has too much heart... she wants what is soft and smooth. With all leaders.... they must to be able to take a risk.
Posted by OSTY (Member # 1480) on :
quote:Originally posted by gsim: Now don't say Ender, cause we all know it is practilly impossible to be alot like him. But still, who do you think you are most like in enders universe?
But to say don't say Ender cause it is pratically impossible to be a lot like him is silly. I would say I relate most to Ender because of who I am. The loner who will problem solve out a problem on my own and work at it until I find a postive answer.
quote:Originally posted by Orson Scott Card: Also interesting: Which character do you aspire to be? Which do you FEAR you might resemble? Which would you least like to have to room with? <grin>
I Aspire to be Valentine in character. I fear at times I could become Achilles, sometimes the anger inside wants to just escape..that is when I head out for a long walk. And sharing a room with would be Bonso...I don't think I could stand him for long periods of time.
Posted by scholar (Member # 9232) on :
I don't think I would want to emulate Ender. When you think about his life, he is an outsider throughout. His connection to mankind is in the abstract. You could argue Valentine and Jane are connections. With Valentine, we know he holds the image of her as a child in his mind throughout. And he leaves her to continue speaking. Jane- well, I said mankind so I don't need to argue that. But at one point, he turns Jane off, breaking that connection. He is never part of any community. At Battle School, we see how lonely he is, how no one can joke and laugh with him. They are his men, but he isn't one of them. I think that would be a sad, sad fate. It can be argued that he is just so brilliant no one can relate. But, because he is so brilliant he needs to be the one to find the way to connect. There comes a point when you have to get over your intelligence. Who I actually am most like- no clue. I would like to say valentine but she is much nicer than me. Posted by unknown mind reader (Member # 9379) on :
I once thought I was a Bean, but now I'm more of his friend Nikolai. I'm no longer a genius. It hurts.
Posted by Deceased House (Member # 9388) on :
I remind myself of the oversoul, im told that im very calculating and knowledgeable, constantly and hopelessly trying to protect people.
Also while i can read and write things, ideas of my own are often scarce, and it becomes frustrating when i try my own hand at things, but when i do it properly, its a grand work of art, much like the voyage he helped Volmak and his followers, embark upon. (of course he had outside help too)
Posted by Deceased House (Member # 9388) on :
quote:I once thought I was a Bean, but now I'm more of his friend Nikolai. I'm no longer a genius. It hurts.
lol wait a second, i dont want to be an ass on my first day here, but wasnt Nikolai Bean's brother?
Posted by JohnWithAnH (Member # 9112) on :
I'm afraid that I'm the foolish "psychologist" guard who Achilles killed in the Limo, spraying blood all over Petra. Petra taunted him for a good long while before he died.
I think that I'm Peter.
I'm trying to be more like Alai.
I'm probably most like Dink.
Posted by Evie3217 (Member # 5426) on :
I think I'm most like Katerina. She's loyal and daring, but unwilling to budge (at least at the beginning). She loves the people around her, and will do anything to protect them.
I aspire to be Petra. She's amazing and tough and loyal and loves certain people to a fault. I want to be as strong as she can be.
I fear that I'm most like Achilles. He'll do anything without fear of consequences, and that kind of antisocial personality frightens be, because I sometimes don't care about others' feelings. I also would never like to be in a room with him. Scary!
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