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What other changes do you guys think might pop up? Especially considering the supposed combining of Game and Shadow.
BTW, is that confirmed? Is it both stories or just Game? I hope its both because personally I enjoyed Shadow a bit more.

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Yes. OSC explained it on the audiobook for Ender's Game as the only way to make the story work on screen, since so much of the real drama in EG takes place in Ender's head.
 

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Posted by Mneighthyn (Member # 9572) on :
 
I am very curious how OSC and/or the director plan on incorporating all of Andrews thoughts and personal debate. Also I wonder if they will start with Bean or if they will go straight to the beginning of Ender's Game.
 

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Posted by arimarfue (Member # 8920) on :
 
I hope they start the movie in a chronological order that way we see Bean first. I personally hope we get to see Bean hiding in the toilet tank, but most likely the earliest the movie would cover is Bean being tested by Sister Carlotta, if they start with Bean at all. Because now that I think about it, it’s probably going to be Ender in the opening of the movie and Bean just being introduce later. I say this because the books Enders game and Shadow covers a lot of detail and if the director and Orson do not cut a lot of material they are going to end up with a 3 hour movie. I do have to say that I would like a 3 hour movie. The longer the better right?
 

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Posted by B34N (Member # 9597) on :
 
They can do the Bean in the toilet scen like the dancing baby on the skiny lady lawyer show that had the guy from numbers.
 

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Posted by Pelegius (Member # 7868) on :
 
"I say this because the books Enders game and Shadow covers a lot of detail and if the director and Orson do not cut a lot of material they are going to end up with a 3 hour movie. I do have to say that I would like a 3 hour movie. The longer the better right?"
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Firstly, a minor point, OSC does not usualy go by Orson.

Secondly, a three-hour movie seems fairly likely to me. The film will probably expect to attract mostly fans of the book, of whom there are enough to turn a small profit, and general SF fans, of whom there are enough to turn a considerable profit, and both groups won't mind a long film.

At least I hope so.
 

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Posted by B34N (Member # 9597) on :
 
Ohhhhhh, an epic would be great! Ummm, three hours of Ender and Bean killing bugers sounds great to me.
 

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Posted by TheDemon2300 (Member # 9665) on :
 
If they start with Ender, I think they could fit Bean's backstory in with some flashbacks while he's in BS. Or at least some of the key points like him meeting Poke, the whole storyline with Achilles (that needs to be there, since we're going to be seeing him getting caught in the ventilation), and of course Sister Carlotta.

Another way they could make the film is have viewpoint jump back and forth between Bean and Ender ala LOTR.
 

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Posted by B34N (Member # 9597) on :
 
I think crosscutting between Bean and Ender's early years would play well. The mirroring of Peter in his youth and Achilles might do something for the overall story line of the film, but that is just might interpretation fo the matter?
 

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Posted by Mneighthyn (Member # 9572) on :
 
I don't think the movie will be 3 hours long because, no offense, Ender's Game does not have nearly the fan base that LotR's did. It also depends on what age range they are looking to attract the most; and what rating they plan on making the movie.
That aside I think the creators of the movie will be hard pressed to condense the two books and still impress the fans and newcomers to the series simultaniously.

Also it seems logical to start the movie out with Andrew since the book and movie are based on his character. Flashbacks would work for elaborating on Bean's past.
 

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Posted by Karmen (Member # 9666) on :
 
I just desperately hope that it doesn't end up being like the HP films where you don't get ANY details on screen. Those details make the book more interesting; they make you really feel as if you know the charachters.

They can take as long as they like so long as the finished product is worth it. And personally, I would not mind a bit if the movie ran 4 hours if done well.
 

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Posted by IComeAnon87 (Member # 9627) on :
 
As fans I think we're a bit biased to the story. Personally I would love a 5 hour movie but the studios would never allow it and theatres hate movies that long cause it means they can show it less.
I'd expect two versions; theatre (around like 2.5 hours) and a DVD of 3-4 hours just for us fanatics. I'd expect alot of deleted scenes and extended Battle Room fights.
I agree with Karmen, they should take their time and not screw it up. Think about how careful Microsoft it being with the Halo script, that's how careful OSC and company should be with Ender's Game.
 

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Posted by Rawr (Member # 9326) on :
 
I think that no matter how good they make the movie, they can't possibly have it better than the novel.

They need to make it as a whole series, to make close to as good. A movie for every two books or so.
 

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Posted by TommySama (Member # 9669) on :
 
Icomeanon is probably closest to the truth of the movie. I remember reading something of OSC where he wrote that if the movie couldn't be as good as Serenity, he wouldn't let it be filmed. This seems reasonable since I would be furious if he made a bad movie, and I think OSC would be very saddened to have his creation cheaponed in any way.

Hopefully EG will have more publicity than Serenity, though.
 

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Posted by TrapperKeeper (Member # 7680) on :
 
Sometimes I think fans are so fanatically attached to the idea that the movie has to be exactly like the book that the only way to make them happy would be to go to the theatre and see the pages of Ender's Game up on the big screen and you can just read them off the screen.
 

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Posted by mojammer (Member # 4416) on :
 
I read a draft of OSC's script and there's a lot that's been modified. I can see how it's more streamlined for a movie-telling, but as an avid book fan, I can see how it'll put off most fans. The thing is there aren't enough fans to make it worthwhile to make something true to the book. To make it a quality film, it'll cost a lot, and the only way to not end up in the red is to direct it toward mainstream movie goers. Unless it were R-rated, but then no one would see it, being a kid's story.

Main changes: everyone is older. No stilson (peter is the main challenge for ender). Mazer enters early. valentine is a smaller role. All dialogue is more explicit, less implicit (smart) like in the book. Everything happens faster, more action in less time. And a weird dream sequence on eros that ended up being real with the buggers and ender.

It also holds to the shadow affirmation of Petra's superiority after bean and ender, rather than Game's version where Alai was next best after ender and bean and petra were just "regular" smart kids.
That was my main irk after reading Ender's shadow.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Considering there's like fifty-jillion drafts, and my impression is that they are quite different from each other . . . I'm going to wait and see.
 

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Originally posted by mojammer:
I read a draft of OSC's script and there's a lot that's been modified. I can see how it's more streamlined for a movie-telling, but as an avid book fan, I can see how it'll put off most fans. The thing is there aren't enough fans to make it worthwhile to make something true to the book. To make it a quality film, it'll cost a lot, and the only way to not end up in the red is to direct it toward mainstream movie goers. Unless it were R-rated, but then no one would see it, being a kid's story.

Main changes: everyone is older. No stilson (peter is the main challenge for ender). Mazer enters early. valentine is a smaller role. All dialogue is more explicit, less implicit (smart) like in the book. Everything happens faster, more action in less time. And a weird dream sequence on eros that ended up being real with the buggers and ender.

It also holds to the shadow affirmation of Petra's superiority after bean and ender, rather than Game's version where Alai was next best after ender and bean and petra were just "regular" smart kids.
That was my main irk after reading Ender's shadow.

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Firstly, a minor point, OSC does not usualy go by Orson.

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