I guess this post has spoilers for Ender's Game, Ender's Shadow, and probably some other stuff.
Over on Writer's Workshop we were discussing how a trilogy of movies encompassing Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow would work. It is an exercise, mostly, since fanfic is expressly forbidden over there.
The idea would be the first film would run up through Ender receiving his own army and/or beating the mind game. The second film would center on Bean's point of view, and cover his path up though ending with Bonso's death and Ender going back to Earth. The third film is, you know, the rest of the story. Ender's Game, Ender's Shadow, Ender's War.
So the question was who to make the antagonist, and the fantasy/mind game kept coming up.
quote:Well, it's interesting that the mind game existed before the Queens created the bridge to Ender that became Jane. The reason the mind game was of use is that it created a united story for a large number of people (every child who had been in battle school since... when?) There is a quote somewhere in the series about humans being lonely creatures who could not dream one another's dreams. But with the mind game is as close as they could come to that.
On my last re-read of Ender's Shadow, sadly, I realized there was not any hint of Bean's father writing the mind game, since he programmed software for the... um, something other than the IF. But it is an interesting question, how old is the mind game?
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
The really crazy thing is that the mind game dates back to 1999, and the beginning of a small and obscure internet forum called "HatracK." A number of AI entities interacted with eachother, and unsuspecting real people over what was then called the "world wide web." Later expanded by elements of the U.S. government, under the cover of a fictional (literally) sci-fi writer named "Orson Scott Card;" yes boys and girls, the sublimely ridiculous, truth stranger than fiction, or in this case, fiction stranger than the truth fictionalized.
Posted by 0range7Penguin (Member # 7337) on :
No idea when it started but Orson Scott Card has said(in an afterward in the book on cd version of Ender's Shadow) that the movie will most likely be a movie combining Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow focusing on the relationship between Bean and Ender
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Right, we were just speculating. I follow the actual news on the film production whenever I can.
But in Ender's Shadow it says something about Ender being the better commander for the group of students they have advanced (The Jeesh). It caused me to wonder if the computer didn't base it's close interaction with him on things it may have learned about every commander in the Third Invasion.
Was Graff ultimately responsible for all the choices on selecting and training Ender, or did this computer game that the Hive Queens turn into a soul participate quite a bit? There is the argument between Graff and a programmer about how reliable the game should be considered, and also how autonomous it is.
Posted by Abyss (Member # 3086) on :
quote:The really crazy thing is that the mind game dates back to 1999, and the beginning of a small and obscure internet forum called "HatracK." A number of AI entities interacted with eachother, and unsuspecting real people over what was then called the "world wide web." Later expanded by elements of the U.S. government, under the cover of a fictional (literally) sci-fi writer named "Orson Scott Card;" yes boys and girls, the sublimely ridiculous, truth stranger than fiction, or in this case, fiction stranger than the truth fictionalized.
Actually, the programming for OSC was going on as early as 1985.
Posted by IComeAnon87 (Member # 9627) on :
I don't think a trilogy would really work. Don't get me wrong, if they made it I'd be first in line and would watch every minute of it but there's no way that the audiences are going to be entralled by this enough to watch a trilogy, yes I love Ender's Game but we don't nearly have the following that Lord of the Rings had.
Posted by Jeesh (Member # 9163) on :
quote:Originally posted by pooka: (The Jeesh)
I scanned the thread and for a minute though someone was calling me.
I agree with Anon. I know my brothers and I would watch every second of the movies, but I don't think it would move fast enough for a trilogy.
Posted by SoaPiNuReYe (Member # 9144) on :