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Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
I've lost five pounds in the last three weeks!

Is anyone else trying to lose weight? Post your successes/milestones here, and receive congratulations!
 


Posted by Troubadour (Member # 83) on :
 
Good work dude! Keep it up...

I lost 10 kilos last year... managed to keep it steady this year with minimal excercise and my sudden love of tofu...

I'm going to buy some inline skates in the next couple of days to continue with the weight-loss program..
 


Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Congrats! 10 kilos is like what, 25 lbs? That's great!

Tofu--ugh! Nasty disgusting stuff! I'd rather be fat!
 


Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
 
<---peeks in
Um, I'm trying to exercise more, and eat better, can I stay?
 
Posted by Troubadour (Member # 83) on :
 
Depends how it's done!

favourite simple recipe at the moment:

Either bake Firm Silken Tofu yourself, or find it pre-made. If you're going to bake it yourself, I reccomend covering diced cubes in egg-white and cornstarch, then rolling it in a marinade of soy, ginger, chillies and a bit of tomato sauce (that's ketchup to my American bretheren) then baking it till it's nice and tasty.

Once you've done that, cook some white rice till it's light fluffy and not clingy at all. I recommend jasmine or basmarti rice. 1 cup rice to 1 & 1/2 cups water. Bring to the boil, once boiling, stir briefly, cover, bring the heat down and simmer for 15-20 minutes without taking the cover off. You should have a nice fluffy rice that way.

OK, while the rice is cooking,

Chop 1 big onion into long slices along it's length.
Finley chop 1 or 2 garlic bulbs
Chop up 2 or 3 serrano chillies (or to taste)
1 can of chick peas
Chop squares of green capsicum (I think you call them bell peppers)
Chop up lots of mushrooms
Tear up fresh basil or oregano.

(You can also add any other veges, carrots can work well)

In a wok or fry-pan, heat a small amount of virgin extra-light olive oil.

Throw in the newly-made tofu and the chick peas.
It takes about 5-10 minutes for the chick peas to cook properly
throw in the onion and chillies
When the onion chunks are starting to come apart, throw in the garlic, let them fry for a while.

Once you think it's ready, throw in the rest of yoru veges, let them cook, but don't let the capsicum or carrots loose too much crispness.

Once it's almost done, add some soy sauce... although you can reall add anything at this stage.

I made a schechuan sauce that worked really well the other night.

Then just as you're about to serve, grab the torn-up basil (and perhaps oregano as well) and toss through.

Put the rice on the plate, cover with the veges and tofu...

it's really tasty - and I'm not even vegetarian!
 


Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
blackwolve: as long as you keep trying!

Troubs: um, sure. Sounds great. Whatever works for you...
 


Posted by Troubadour (Member # 83) on :
 
I dunno dude, Tofu's got a bad rap... mostly because most places don't know how to cook it, but when done right, it's amazing..

But yeah 10 kilos is a fair bit to lose... I was about 120 kilos, but I'm tall and broad so most people tended to think I was around about 96 - 100... But then, my weight goes to really freakin odd places, and I've got a great eye for dressing to conceal!


 


Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
When I was only a little overweight I used to have that ability. Not anymore, though.

Actually, I first encountered tofu long before yuppies made it hip again. I had a friend when I was about 10 whose parents (and he) were vegetarian. I was invited to his house often, but I just had to find an excuse to leave when they started cooking dinner. That sickly-sweet smell was just too much for me!
 


Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
I've lost nine pounds in the last month. And I have a friend who has a great recipe for tortilla soup with tofu. It's the only way I've ever been able to eat the stuff without gagging. I need to get that recipe sometime.
 
Posted by Troubadour (Member # 83) on :
 
Fair enough, another product you might like is Tempeh... it's got a stronger taste than tofu, is a lot firmer, a lot more savoury... needs to be cooked in soy and a bit of ketchup.. very tasty when done like that tho!
 
Posted by Maethoriell (Member # 3805) on :
 
At my age losing weight is a bad thing..but I just found out that my pants that I had months ago that were pretty tight are about 2 sizes too small..odd..
 
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
 
I know the feeling, I really need to start exercising! But I always feel ashamed cause I'm the least fit person at the gym.
 
Posted by Troubadour (Member # 83) on :
 
blacwolve - don't let yourself think that way. It's your goal you're trying to achieve, not theirs. They don't know you and probably never will. They're not going to be going home to their partners and saying "Hey, I saw this really unfit dude at the gym today".... it doesn't matter to them, so just decide what *you* want and go for it.

Hell, I'm the clothing master, but I was swimming all last year.... I figure I'll look like a dick on the inline skates I'm buying tonight, but who cares - they're for me, not for the fashion-concious jerks swanning around in their designer lycra.

Take a good look next time you go somewhere where people jog... Bet you see lots of people bigger than you out there - but you never notice. Our eyes gravitate towards the beautiful, or failing that, the morbid. So no-one will see you..... at least until you join the ranks of the beautiful...
 


Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
You guys read my mind....I just got a membership at the gym THIS WEEK! (How did you know?) I have goals...and I'm working on them, so count me into this encouragement thread. Way to go all of you that are succeeding or have even made the decision to try. I admire it!
 
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
 
I lost 3 kilos in the last 6 weks... In fact by encouraging my companion to do so, but who cares? I feel better! Everybody should dance rock. A funny way to lose weight.

[This message has been edited by Anna (edited November 13, 2002).]
 


Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Congratulations Anna!
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
I'm up to (down to) ten pounds lost!

I needed to buy a new pair of jeans today—not really because I've lost so much weight, 10 pounds isn't really enough to make that big a difference yet, clotheswise; I just needed a new pair because all of my old ones were in bad shape. I didn't want to buy a pair that fit me great now and have it become too large before too long as I continue to lose weight. So I purposely bought them as snug as I could get away with without being indecent. Don't think fat old ladies in Lycra; this is nothing like that. I'm not talking about revealingly/obscenely tight, just not as loose as would have been most comfortable. It's interesting to see how the people in my life responded to my stated intention to do this. There was a lot of concern that I was going to buy a new pair of jeans, gain weight instead of continuing to lose it, and have thrown away the money I spent on them.

I'm not really in the business of testing the faith of my family and friends; it only makes sense that nobody is going to believe I'm going to lose the weight until they see me do it. It's just interesting to note. From my perspective, I have a calm certainty that I'm going to succeed, because I've found a plan I can live with. I lost a lot of weight this way once before, and kept it off for five years, so it's not a yo-yo thing. I only gained weight again when my life went through a series of drastic changes, and I was no longer in my old patterns of eating and exercising. Once I gained the weight, losing it again proved difficult for several years, but I now feel extremely confident that I can lose it again.

A pair of Wrangler jeans costs $15 at Wal-Mart. I don't think that $15 is too much to gamble on myself.


 


Posted by flyby (Member # 3630) on :
 
Definitely not! You can do it Icarus. I should start trying again...but I think I might try after Christmas. Holidays are a big time of pitfalls for me.
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Thanks, flyby! I came so close to bumping this thread myself--I'm an encouragement wh*re!

I don't know if starting a diet right before Halloween was smart or not--I'll decide after New Year's! So far so good, though. I was even good all of Thanksgiving weekend. So, at the very least, I've not put on weight during a typical weight-gain time. That's a pretty good thing all by itself!

::sends good vibes to flyby should he (she?) choose to start losing weight before the Holidays::


 


Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
Congrats Icarus!

I'm afraid my weight loss stalled after Halloween. Darn leftover candy. I'm also finding it hard to keep plenty of fresh fruits and vegetables around the house when it's 30 miles to the grocery store. *sigh* But at least I haven't gained back what I lost, so getting going again won't be too discouraging.


 


Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
I don't know if this has been mentioned yet...


Start a journal. Write down everything you eat. I've scoffed at this idea before, but let me tell you, it works.

My goal is to eat healthier. I want to eat more grains, legumes, fish, etc. So I decided to make myself accountable.

The way it's working with me is that I'd rather not stick that piece of chocolate in my mouth if I'm going to have to write it down. So..I don't eat the chocolate.

I only want to see good things in my journal. So in order to do this (without cheating), I have to only consume healthy, nutritious food.

So far, it's working.

*I started yesterday*
 


Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Tammy, that's very similar to what I'm doing! I'm tracking what I eat on my PDA, but I'm also tracking nutritional values. So I can put the occasional piece of chocolate in my mouth, but I know I have to keep it in moderation. I know that if a diet is too strict, I will eventually fall off of it. Instead, this allows me the occasional guilty (not really) pleasure, but keeps me on the right track overall. In this sense, I guess I'm not so much dieting as changing my lifestyle into what it should be; I will eventually finish losing weight, but, hopefully, I won't stop maintaining a healthy balance.

I'm finding that it's very easy for me to stay healthy on weekdays, when I'm so busy with work I don't have a chance to snack or have cravings. The challenge for me is on weekends and days off--like, oh, Thanksgiving! Also, things that I would put into my mouth without even giving it a thought, like bread with dinner or an afternoon snack, are much more of a threat than candy. Since I write everything down, though, I can't cheat in this way.


Joe

(I am eagerly waiting for the first person who doesn't know I'm dieting to notice. People who already know I'm dieting have commented that I look thinner, but when someone notices that you've lost weight all by themselves, that's a milestone! I'll be sure and post when that happens!)
 


Posted by porcelain girl (Member # 1080) on :
 
well, i would like to lose fifteen pounds, but i am going to start with just ten. my goal is to lose ten pounds by the end of january. the first six pounds come off really fast just from drinking water and walking a lot, but it's the final four that take real work for me.
hopefully not working in an icecream store after Dec 15 will help, and so will being able to take dance class 3+ times a week once i get home.
i am going to try to get a short term membership to the women's gym by my house with my mom come january, weight training is a GREAT way for women (and men) to shed those last stingy pounds and change the way your body looks. but i can't afford to lose muscle length and flexibility, so i highly reccommend yoga and pilates to everyone.
thanks for the journal idea, tammy, it will be a good way for me to commit myself to both the change in diet and exercise.
man, troubs, i really wanna buy some new skates now! hmm, christmas present to myself, maybe?
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
Congrats everyone that has lost weight!

Keep it up! The rewards will all be worth it.

I'm suffering from what I call my "depression weight". Once I started spiralling into the depression I began eating a lot of junk food.

Part of my recovery process is taking better care of myself, so I'm now starting my exercise program back up. Today I went to the store and bought nothing but good food - no cookies, no candy, no snack foods.

I can't make breakfast in the morning, the smell of food cooking before 10 AM makes me feel ill, so I bought some nutrition bars to eat for breakfast daily. That plus my daily multivitamin should ensure that I'm getting all the vitamins and minerals I need. Then, I'm starting back with my yoga and pilates and walking a mile in the evenings. Hopefully after the first six weeks or so I can up that to a mile and half and keep going until I'm walking about 3 miles a day.


 


Posted by Ophelia (Member # 653) on :
 
Hmmmm...5 bucks say I lose wait during the 3.5 months that I'll be living with my parents before going to Germany for 3.5 months, where I will gain it all back.
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
Hey, porce - another yoga and Pilates fan! What method do you use? Have any suggestions for good tapes or books?

I really like Jennifer Kries Method book and I use the elastic bands with my pilates work - they make it possible for me to stretch a lot further. Of course, if you dance, you're probably pretty flexible already.

Belle <-- not flexible
 


Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 
In August and Sept I lost about 10 lbs of fat, and gained 6 lbs of muscle. I'm not completely sure why the fat finally came off then--I'd been going to the gym every day without fail and working out pretty hard for the past three months. The loss of fat and muscle gain must be attributable to my decision to cut the amount of weight I was lifting by about half, and quadruple the repetitions.

Then I hurt my shoulder, and couldn't exercise for a couple of weeks. I gained 6 lbs of fat back during those few weeks, but have lost five of them again. I've still got 10 lbs of fat or so to loose (and wouldn't mind gaining another few lbs of muscle). Hopefully I'll be there in a couple of months. I managed to get through Thanksgiving without putting on much fat.
 


Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Congrats, Noemon!

Good luck Tammy, Porce, & Belle! Let us know how it goes!

(In case it's not obvious, I'm also using you all, in the sense that I'm talking about what I'm doing and thereby making myself accountable to you for it. So thanks for letting me use you, Hatrack!)
 


Posted by aretee (Member # 1743) on :
 
I've lost 35 pounds in 4 months. I'm going to do off-season training with some of my students and the assistant football coach. I'm scared, because I know he won't be nice to me. I've lost this much by eliminating comfort food. I only eat when I'm hungry, go figure!
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
That's great, aretee! Are you worried he will undermine you in front of your students?

35 pounds in 4 months is a lot. I hope to lose 30 in four months, and it should be easier for me since I'm probably bigger than you. I've also often heard that it's easier for men to lose weight than it is for women; I don't know how true that is. It might simply go back to the fact that men usually weigh more to begin with, and so they can eat more and lose just as much.
 


Posted by aretee (Member # 1743) on :
 
I still have about 70 to lose. While the difference in my clothing is substantial so far, it is depressing for me to think how much I have left.

He'll be mean in the sense that he won't let me slack off. He's a good guy and a great coach. That is why I am thinking about doing it. I need it.

I don't expect to keep up that rate of weight loss. Although, if I'm losing inches more than pounds, I really don't care how fast the weight comes off. I just want to be healthy and fit.
 


Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 
Thanks Icarus! Congratulations on the weight you've lost too!

My wife and I have been doing this together, and she's gone from a size 8 to a size 2. Well, actually to a 0, but that was more that she wanted to loose, so she's been making a point to stuff herself with fattening but healthy foods--nuts, pumpkin seeds, stuff like that--and she got back up to a two. Her metabolism seems to have fired up to its 1996 levels though--she has to really work to put on weight.

It's kind of interesting to watch--she and I exercise about the same amount (I do heavier weights, but that's the only difference). I've got more fat than she does, when you factor out differences in size and gender, and generally look heavier, but I'm in excellent aerobic shape, have great stamina, and all that. She looks like she could run a marathon, but actually isn't in all that great of aerobic shape at all, and gets winded climbing hills and such. I have to work much harder to get rid of fat, and she has to work much harder to get into good aerobic shape. Odd.

Troubadour,

I'll definitely be trying that receipe--thanks for passing it on. Tofu (and other soy products--I've completely eliminated cow milk from my diet, replacing it with soy milk) has become my primary source of protein over the last 5 months or so. For the most part I've been poaching it in tamari, with a bit of dark sesame oil, and eating that, along with steamed greens (usually kale or collard greens) over brown rice. I typically season it with more tamari and ume plum vinegar. It's quick, easy, and incredibly tasty, but I have been going through tamari at a pretty startling rate. I've played around with other ways of cooking tofu, but this is the best I've found so far.

I've played around with tempeh a fair amount--tempeh reubens are incredibly good. The saurkraut and the tempeh compliment one another well. Other than that, though, I haven't found any tempeh receipes that have really grabbed me.
 


Posted by Paul (Member # 3904) on :
 
Check it out.
 
Posted by flyby (Member # 3630) on :
 
I'm a she. Hmmm...I think I won't try to start losing weight until after the holidays, school is stressing me out too much, but once I get back I will get myself back on track. I'm going to try and eat healthily, but I think I will have an emotional and mental breakdown if I have to make time to exercize right now too.
 
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
 
I'm looking for good exercise tips that don't require lots and lots of time. I'm not really looking to lose weight, just to become semi- fit. Right now I get winded running the shortest distances, which I know is not good. Anyone have any ideas?
 
Posted by Troubadour (Member # 83) on :
 
http://www.fitsmart.com
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Paul, Troubador--what are these links?
 
Posted by Lead (Member # 918) on :
 
Shameless self-congratulatory post here. I was at the doctor's office today having my back and pelvis checked (I took two bad falls last month, and have done some structural damage to the frame...completely ruins the trade-in value). While there, of course, I had to get on the scales.

Since the end of March, I've lost over 50 lbs...nearly 60 now. That has been 4 sizes...from an 18 to a 12 (which is almost too loose already).

Hasn't made me a lick more graceful, however. I'm still a stupid klutz.

Regarding people noticing...

Some of the people in my office began commenting about 2 months ago finally, as some of the weight loss became more noticable in my face and chest. (We shall not discuss in a public forum what the change in my bra size has been, but it's quite noticable. ) Most of the comments have been very kind, congratulatory, and encouraging. One woman though was quite odd. She was VERY enthusiastic when she finally noticed (just two weeks ago). She went on and on and ON about how proud she was of me. That's strange, since she's never once been anything but cordial-yet-icy with me, as I'm not nearly up to her social standards. On top of that, the following day, she was walking by with a coworker from our parent company, and I walked past them on my way to my desk. I had just sat down when this woman dragged this other woman back to my cube, telling me to stand up so that this second woman could see. This woman from our parent company certainly has met me once or twice in the past four years, but it's not like we know each other. The woman in my company then went on for a few more minutes about how great it was that I'd lost the weight, and how proud she was of me. This second woman frankly looked embarrassed. I was slightly mortified, and was unsure of how to react. The whole thing was weird.

On the other hand, I've got a number of semi-close friends who haven't said word one to me about it, some of whom I see often, others whom I recently saw for the first time in many months. I know that some of them no doubt simply don't want to be rude. (Hey, you look fabulous! Boy did you look awful before!) But surely there's some sort of middle ground, especially amongst friends, for being able to comment on a significant weight loss in someone.

~~~Lead


 


Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
No need to apologize for being self-congratulatory--that's part of what this is for! Congratulations! 60 pounds is awesome! I'm sure the impact on your health is going to be very beneficial.

That does sound like an uncomfortable situation. Some people just have no clue. However, at least it was occasioned by a good thing!

As far as close friends noticing...I guess people who see you the most have a hard time noticing because they see you everyday, and the change is gradual from that perspective. I know when I lost a lot of weight before, my best friend never noticed until his mom pointed it out.

And I do have a hard time taking a compliment well. A good complement for me is "congratulations on losing weight." "You look SO MUCH BETTER NOW!" strikes the wrong chord in me, though I will act outwardly gracious.


 


Posted by porcelain girl (Member # 1080) on :
 
if you have a hard time eating breakfast, but know you should eat _something_ to keep your metabolism boosted and are usually on the go i reccommend Naked Drinks. these are sooooo good for you, energizing, and are overall just the bomb.
warning, some people may be squicked by the texture.
you can find them in the organic/soy/specialty section of produce in kroger and probably similar grocers.
my mom hooked me onto them.

belle: i like ashtanga vinyasa yoga and i am not sure what sort of pilates i do, but i do exercises my dance teacher has me do in private classes and at home to help keep my center super strong. i really wish i could afford the classes, it is great for every part of your body.

i also highly reccomend a book called Stretch and Strengthen, i need to ask my teacher for the author again.
also, the New York City Ballet Workout is a GREAT workout book/video/dvd that will help you increase physical grace and lean/lengthened muscle tone. it is geared towards people with or without dance experience.

dance classes are a fun way to mix up a workout regimine, and even if you feel you completely lack rhythm or grace you would be surprised at how much you'll improve if you stick at it for at least three weeks.

[This message has been edited by porcelain girl (edited December 03, 2002).]
 


Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
I like Ana Caban's pilates tapes - I can't afford the classes either. Not just due to finances, childcare is my main problem!

My daughter was interested in the NYC ballet workout - I might have to look into that.

Natalie, my oldest, does Pilates and consistently has had the strongest back in ballet class. I was trying to fit in a Pilates workout today with the twins in the same room. That was entertaining. Seeing them on the floor trying to imitate me.
 


Posted by purplycow (Member # 3799) on :
 
Troubs and Noemon: are you guys talking about tempeh, as in Malay/Indonesian tempeh (made from soybeans)?


 


Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 
Yeah, that's the stuff. Are there other kinds of tempeh?
 
Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
I cheated in my journal.

It was for a good cause though. We had a luncheon at work...and...it was a good kind of luncheon. I couldn't possibly put down EVERYTHING I ate at that luncheon in my journal...it would have turned in to a 'two pager'.

Back to normal....no more cheating.


 


Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
When I have a situation like that, such as thanksgiving dinner or last night, when we made tacos and burritos, I keep track on a separate sheet of paper--I work it out on scratch paper; can you tell I teach math? --and then at the end, I just write "dinner" in my journal (actually my PDA). Since I track nutritional values as well, I might be writing "dinner: 750 calories" or something like that.

::gives Tammy a stern look::
No more cheating!

 


Posted by aretee (Member # 1743) on :
 
I lost 4 more pounds this week. (Being sick has its advantages!) I also started working out. My body is very angry with me right now. All the muscles in my back are screaming at me, I can barely raise my arms over my head, and I know tomorrow that I will barely be able to walk because yesterday I did my legs. My abs are tight and tomorrow's workout includes abs AGAIN! Why do people put themselves through this?

This is what I get for doing a football coach's off season training. I don't do all the exercises he has (I don't plan on playing football next season) but the lifts I do do are quite...sufficient. I hope I can keep motivated.

My boyfriend lost 150lbs and has kept it off for 4 years. He works out at the gym and runs stairs on a regular basis. He really helps me stay motivated. I only wish we were in the same state so that he could spot me. I work out in the weight room alone and sometimes that scares me. There are times when I can't finish a set because I'm scared I won't be able to get the bar back above my head (or to be more precise...complete the rep).

Anyhow, I'm babbling now. So, I should expect less weight loss now that I am lifting weights, yeah? Will I notice a change in my measurements?
 


Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
 
Leslie - Weight training will build more lean muscle tissue which is realy what burns the fat. Before I worked with weights I would get majorly discouraged with all my cardio exercises as I didn't noticed a bit of difference. After I started working with weights, though, I noticed that I was shedding the poundage like crazy doing mostly cardio exercises.

You'll start noticing big time in about three months. You just have to get through that "training the body to do what you want it to do" phase which is ever so frustrating.

(Good to see you, Leslie. )
 


Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
I've done so well today....so far.

I've also learned something...snow makes me hungry.
 


Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
My Pilates routine is making my legs extremely sore. I suppose that's a good thing in a way.


 


Posted by porcelain girl (Member # 1080) on :
 
muscuel soreness is a good thing as long as it's not an injury pain.
the best way to get rid of the soreness is to stretch really well, and do it all again.
seriously.
when i was dancing more than everyday, i was rarely that sore.
but take a couple days off and...WOWIE.
it feels so good to me, though. heh.
 
Posted by aretee (Member # 1743) on :
 
One cool thing I have found about my muscles being sore is that I can feel the different muscles. And, when I work out again, I can tell which muscles the different lifts are working. I know that sounds stupid, but it is very interesting to me. I hope the snow is cleared by tomorrow so that I can do the last day of the workout.

Porce--I'll have to work on stretching. Which is better: stretching before, after or both? (I'm new at this...) What kind of stretches are best?

I like this thread.
(Thanks, Ralphie. It's good to be seen. )
 


Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
 
I know. I can't keep my hands off myself after I work out.
*ahem*
That probably came out wrong
(where's Pop with his onanism gag...)

Stretch before and after. I don't know how heavy of a work out you do, but I know I can stretch for a good 15 minutes before hand. The good ones are the ones you feel. They don't hurt, but you can feel them.
You should hold any stretch for 20-30 seconds, otherwise you might as well not have bothered. And don't bounce what you're stretching! You can really hurt yourself doing that.
Afterwards, do I nice warm-down, and then stretch out all the muscles you worked on for another few minutes. How long? How long do you have?
Generally, the more you stretch, the less it hurts the next day.

Does that help at all? I hope I'm not making it sound like you have to add 30 minutes of stretching to your workout, because that isn't the case.
 


Posted by flyby (Member # 3630) on :
 
*shudders at the implications of what bobble said*

Go all you losers of weight! hahaha
 


Posted by Black Fox (Member # 1986) on :
 
Well, I don't really need to lose weight anymore, I've actually been trying to gain weight, so I suppose I can't talk about that. Though I can give some suggestions for excercises.

All you guys that want to do free weights make sure to start small, even if you can do a lot more. Sure you'll look like a wuss for a few weeks, but hey you just started deal with it. If you start small you'll know how to do the excercise correctly. When I was younger I almost threw out my back since I decided to try and rep 500lbs for the dead lift, I'd only been used to 350 so I sorta killed myself ( I was 17 at the time so sue me)

Make sure to keep your blood sugar up. I used to have a bad habit of eating nothing for the first part of the day then working out like a mad man and passing out. As much as I found it funny, its actually rather dangerous. From then on everyone called me Jay the Juicer as I was forever drinking apple juice when I lifted weights.

You shouldn't be able to do squat with the muscle group you worked out the day after unless you've been at it for a long time, and even then you should be really sore. Too many people work till it hurts a little bit and stop. Personally for me the idea is to push weights until I feel like crying or run until I can't talk right. Its sort of funny when I drink a bunch of caffeine the night prior and drink no water then run 6 miles. I'm a blabbering idiot at the end.

If you want to start running watch out. You should go see if you have high arches, normal arches, or flat feet so you can get the correct shoes. I tend to be a moron and run too long with a beaten up pair of shoes and put a lot of strain on my ankles ( well that and my running in boots ). Make sure to have good rest periods when you first start and make sure to get lots of calcium. Your muscles will grow faster than your bones and you'll get stress fractures if you push yourself too much as remember you can run ten miles before you can take ten miles. I've personally messed up my ankles a little bit doing that.

Don't smoke or drink alcohol. Once I stopped drinking I felt soooo much better. I have a pal who stopped smoking, his run time actually got worse at first, but now he is improving. Smoking 3 cigarettes before a long run like all my pals is not a healthy thing to do. Not to mention the fact that you can smell alcohol at the end of the formation sometimes during Monday morning PT.

Personally I'm not big on dieting to lose weight. I feel if you can't build up your body to just burn off the fat you shouldn't be that thin. Though I suppose not everyone has half the time that I get to do stuff like that. I've always thought that women with some muscle tone looked a lot better than all the Christinas in the world.

Pullups , chinups, etc are all cool excercises if you can do them. The fact is I know too many people who don't have the upper body strength to do more than one or two of them. I'll be honest when I started Basic I could do two or three. Now its a lot past that, but I won't brag as I'm some people will see this as bragging enough as it is ::laughs::

Most of all to me the peak in physical fitness is the super foot. You should be able to walk 12 miles without a single blister. Yeah so I'm a dork about that. Though in all honesty make sure that whatever you do that its fun. MY idea of fun is doing ten pullups every time I walk into my bathroom and to do 50 of whatever excercise whenever I leave and come into my room. I'm simply retarded like that, find something that you enjoy and will smile. Plus the greatest thing in the world is to keep track of your progress. Its great sometimes to look how much you've changed and improved. Its a lot like looking at stories you wrote when you were younger. : )


 


Posted by ladyday (Member # 1069) on :
 
::sneaks into the ranks::

I'm still in the planning stages of things here. I can certainly start eating right and exercising now, but need to figure out my goals and set a real routine. My problem is that what I want might not sit well with that little thing called "reality". For my goals, I'm going off of when I was in the best shape of my life. Luckily that happens to be post kid-I don't know what I would do if I were trying to envision myself going back to what I looked like when I was 15.

Anyway, if I want to go back to that long forgotten figure, I'll need to drop at least 15 pounds, and if I'm being honest with myself it's more like 20. And I'll have to blast away about 4 inches from the hips, and 2 from the waist. That seems like a lot to me. Quite scary. I guess it's possible, but it seems like my whole frame has changed in the past three years or so. I hit 20 and got all wonky. I guess it's fat, though-I don't imagine I can pass this off as growth.

Anyway, I'm going to the store tomorrow to get back up supplies and good food. Trading in the Chunky Soup and cold cut sandwiches for lean cusine for lunches at work, and in general eating like my little turtle. Getting happy new tapes for working out at home. Woo hoo. Have been planning to get the kid into swimming lessons-perhaps they have something for mommies as well.

Anyway, you'll hear from me in a week. Good luck to everyone who's in this with me, and congrats to those who have already succeeded in meeting their goals.
 


Posted by Leonide (Member # 4157) on :
 
*falls in line behind ladyday*

I've gained almost 20 pounds since last summer, i was 112 and i'm now roughly 130. It's not happy.

But i'm going to start eating better and (not running, cause its COLD out there, sheesh!)maybe doing Pilates, although so far they've seemed ineffectual...*shrug*

We'll see, wish me luck
 


Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
2 months...15 pounds!

How's it going, guys? Does the fact that this thread keeps dying mean I'm trying to lose weight alone?

Troubs? blackwolve? dkw? Narnia? Anna? flyby? Tammy? porce? Belle? Noemon? aretee? Lead? ladyday? Leonide?

Are you still with us?

[brag]In two months, I haven't broken my diet one single day![/brag]

Still haven't had anyone whom I haven't told I was dieting comment, but 15 pounds is not a lot when you're as overweight as I am (was). I'm thinking that in the next couple of months it should become more apparent. The jeans that I bought at the beginning of this month are snug, but not uncomfortably so. My wife says they look good on me.

The past few weeks have been tough. The rush of enthusiasm from starting has worn off, but I'm not yet getting the validation of people noticing. But I've been good! When I get frustrated at what a long road I've started upon, I try to calculate what fraction of the way to my target weight I am, and when I think I'll get there.

It's not really that long a road. I've spent years wishing for a quick fix...if I'd spent that time gently changing my habits, I'd be in better shape already! But it does feel like a long time, sometimes.

Blackfox, I would agree with you if we were talking about starvation. But what I'm talking about is training myself out of unhealthy eating habits and into healthy ones. I just celebrated with ice cream...but I haven't cheated. What I'm relearning is moderation. When I was in college and grad school, I didn't work at staying in shape, and I enjoyed the foods I ate, but I stayed skinny. Somewhere along the line, as my professional and family life changed, my own attitudes toward food slowly did. I was eating out more, and the quantities were bigger, and the desserts more tempting, and, where I used to be satisfied with getting a taste of something I enjoyed, I started needing to feel full of something I enjoyed. What I'm doing is relearning my old habits. In the past two months, I have found myself being more and more able to leave some food, to put less on my plate, and I have found myself not really fighting temptation because I'm not really being as tempted by food anymore.

I don't want to be so fatalistic as to say, "Oh, well, maybe I just shouldn't be thin." I'm seeing the results of that in my father now. He had quadruple bypass surgery three years ago, and we give thanks for every day we still have him. I want to watch my grandchildren grow up.

Anyway, this is a weight-loss ENCOURAGEMENT thread, so SHOO!!

I don't agree, by the way, that there's any one right way to lose weight. Everybody I know of who has successfully lost and kept off weight preaches their own particular method as though it's the only way. I think each person's life is different, and each person who struggles with weight does so for different reasons and with different problems. I think much frustration comes from saying, "Well, Oprah says I have to do it this way, so I won't even bother with anything else, and if I can't succeed this way I'll just give up." I think people who need to lose weight need to keep trying until they find the method that suits their issues, their needs, and their personalities.

The only thing I think is a certainty is that there is no shortcut, and that determination is pretty much required.

[This message has been edited by Icarus (edited December 21, 2002).]
 


Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
Congratulations Icarus, you look great! (I'm sure of it.)

I've got a nasty cold and it seems like I should have lost at least 10 pounds just in snot and phlegm, but it doesn't seem to be affecting the scale any.

Before the cold kicked in I was still sort of stalled - didn't gain any back, but stopped losing. I think that means it's time to concentrate on increasing exercise. When I get to the point that I can go two minutes without blowing my nose, I'm gonna give that a try.

Congrats again!
 


Posted by Lead (Member # 918) on :
 
Well, I've been waiting to do this. I had a party to attend last week, and I found, by happenstance, a really great dress to wear to it. Many of the people who attended this party don't see me very often. And most of the people who DO see me fairly often hadn't really noticed my weight loss. And anyone who sees me at all regularly is of course most used to seeing me in very casual attire.

The last time I was on a set of scales, I had lost more than 60 lbs. Gauging by the way my clothes fit (or in most cases these days, don't fit), I'm somewhere around the 70 lb mark by now. I don't own a set of scales, and don't want to -- I have no desire to follow my weight fluctuations too closely.

Well, I got to enjoy the fun of walking into the party in a clingy dress on the arm of a hot guy. In the course of the evening I received quite a few comments about how great I was looking, received more complimentary comments passed along by a good friend, and got hit on twice. All in all the evening was a huge boost to my ego.

So, I just wanted to share, and figured this was a good spot. I shall now return to preparing to leave town to visit family.

~~~Lead


 


Posted by suntranafs (Member # 3318) on :
 
eat only meat and eggs, or at least less than 30 grams of carbohydrate a day, and drink only water.
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Wow Lead!

Congratulations!


 


Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
 
WOW! Go all you weight losing achievers!
 
Posted by Crickets (Member # 3695) on :
 
<chirp>
 
Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
I'm really not trying to loose (or lose hehehe) weight. Just eat better. I'm not doing to well.

I need to remember to write in the darn journal...so that I can keep myself honest.

It's just so easy to eat junk/fast foods. Eating healthier does take much more of an effort.

I've not given up yet. I'll do better!

[This message has been edited by Tammy (edited December 30, 2002).]
 


Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Do you write in your journal at the end of the day or do you carry it around with you? If you wait until the end of the day, do you find that it's too late, or that you have forgotten how much you ate?
 
Posted by Black Fox (Member # 1986) on :
 
umm if it counts I pushed up my max on the bench press by 15 pounds.
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Congrats & wb
 
Posted by Maethoriell (Member # 3805) on :
 
I differ. My parents are making me gain weight now because they think I'm anorexic. I saw the Pilates commercial and wanted to try it out. I did what I saw every night for about 30 minutes for about 2-4 weeks. It fricking worked to my surprise and now my parents think I'm anorexic, just because I changed my metabolism. So basically I gain back what I've lost.The wonders of weight-loss..*sigh*..
 
Posted by Eddie Whiteshoes (Member # 2951) on :
 
Boo whap. BOO whap. I say BOO whap. Boo boo boo boo BOO WHAP.
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Today I overate for the first time in over two months. Not enough to gain weight, just too much to lose weight. Oh, well, it's New Year's Eve, after all. Anyhow, I have only had heartburn a couple of times since I started dieting, but I have it again tonight.


 


Posted by Troubadour (Member # 83) on :
 
Icarus,

Yeah, still with the crew on this one. I've been slack with end of year busy-ness, and despite everyone commenting on how much weight I've dropped during the year (many of my closest friends and family only see me once a year) I'm comitted to the process of losing a lot more.

My plan for this is simply to get good at rollerblading, go for more jogs and continue the healthy eating regime I've been enjoying so recently of late - and which is responsible for my keeping the weight down when not exercising.

Plus I intend to go out a lot more this year, and dance the night away - which is worth about a week of jogging!
 


Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
Okay...fresh start. New Year! This is it.

I think that I need to readjust my focus.

I focus on getting us all fed, in the most efficient way time wise. I need to shift that focus to quality. That's not easy for me. It takes alot of consideration and planning prior to the fact.

I've checked out a few books at the Library. Books that focus on saving time, and others on eating healthy.

Here we go......
 


Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
WooHoo! I'm back on track. I managed not to gain anything over the holidays and I lost another 2 lbs this week. Just two more pounds to go to hit one of those milestones ending in zero.
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
<---- 20 pounds lost

A while back some people commented on whether or not it was wise to begin a weight-loss plan before the holidays. Having now weathered my wife's birthday, Christmas, New Years, and our anniversary, and having not only NOT gained weight, but actually LOST weight, I have to say that before the holidays is the best possible time to start, because if you can stay on it, then you are that much further ahead than if you first gain weight, and then try to lose it and more. (WITALS: new 'net abbreviation for "Wow Is That A Long Sentence!")

Anyway, Yay!

 


Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
Yay, Icarus!
 
Posted by flyby (Member # 3630) on :
 
Congrats Icarus! Yeah, I should have did what you did, because now I have more to take off than I did before, but I don't know if I would have stuck with it. I am trying to lose 8.5 more pounds by Feb 20. I think I can do it if I just keep on eating well and exercizing like I am.
 
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
 
Hooray for Icarus!

My goal this year is to perfect my tummy...*eyes stomach, irritated*

-pH
 


Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
 
ok I'm sneaking into this thread too.

First of all I want to say LOUDLY. CONTGRATS LEAD, YOU LOOK AWESOME!!!!

I know I need to lose 10-15 lbs. It is hard for me because this first winter in the Chicago area I haven't been able to be outside like I was even down in Oklahoma. I have been coming home from work at night and sitting on my butt watching TV. I know I need to become more active, but I'm still trying to figure out exactly how. The Pilates stuff sounds interesting but we have no floorspace in our tiny apartment. My bf bought a piece of excercise equipment that is like Chuck Norris' home gym but it just doesn't appeal to me. And we have no room when he sets it up but are reduced to clambering from furniture item to furniture item without touching the floor. The dogs manage to weave in and out but they are considerably smaller. I have genetically bad knees, so I should do low impact activities. But, due to an injury, I am unable to swim, which is my favorite sport because it requires one to move one's neck to breathe and will give me migraines in short order. But I need to do SOMETHING... I'm open to ideas if you have any.

I noticed something rather strange though. My boyfriend totally cut out soda/caffine (we are die hard coca-cola drinkers) to help him lose weight. For him it has made a drastic difference. But for me if I don't have the caffine and sugar combo I don't have any energy (and I have gone without Coke for several months as an experiment to see if my metabolism would come back). I have started drinking it again recently, and my energy level has gone back up, which is also why I am now feeling motivated to start excersising. Do any of you know if this some sort of metabolic paradox?

AJ
 


Posted by NdRa (Member # 2295) on :
 
*sigh*

Went on the scale this morning, and i have gained 20 pounds since last summer. This is due to my failed attempt to quit smoking and, of course the fat filled holiday season. Bleh, I feel pretty lousy.

Today I will start my new workout regimen and diet. I've always found that cutting down carbohydrates of any kind melts the fat off.

I am SO lazy, and live to eat delicious foods. Reading this thread is making me motivated.
 


Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
Lead.....OMG..you look really great! Really!
 
Posted by Rena (Member # 4503) on :
 
I currently weigh 147 pounds. Not sure what that is in kilos! I was a member of the crew team at my college, and that whipped me into shape. Now that I've quit (I was a walking zombie, as practice was at 5am), I'm starting to go soft. I'm very strong, but I've always had excess fat.

I want to lose at least 12 pounds. I haven't been in the 130s since 7th grade! I'm going to post my progress here. I need to be accountable, and telling others about my goals will help me with that.

I pledge to take my vitamins and eat balanced meals. Most of all, I want to feel energetic while I lose weight. This is my main goal.

Thanks for your support!
 


Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
Welcome Rena!

One thing I've been working on is my water intake. I've been chugging the water.

Chug that water!
 


Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
I've dropped another size.

I'm not sure if it's due to the weird stomach stuff and the exercise and diet, or a combination of the three.

At any rate, I had breakfast with a nurse friend of mine the other day and she said, at first, "You've lost weight."

I said, "Most likely."

We went on to talk about other stuff.

THEN she said, "Okay, you've lost a lot of weight. You aren't turning anorexic on me are you?"

Me. "God no. I love food."

I also carry myself differently and wear clothing that fits better, too. I suppose it's because I have confidence in my body.

Am still working to get those toned guns by my wedding, though.
 


Posted by Lead (Member # 918) on :
 
Icarus, AJ, Tammy...thank you very much. It's especially appreciated today. My boss has never said anything about my appearance at all, and I doubt he even would know I'd lost weight if he hadn't heard a lot of people say something to me about it. Today he looked at me, leaned over his desk a bit, and said, "When are you going to STOP losing weight?"

That seemed odd, and I had no answer, since I have no deadline or end-goal. But it left me wondering if I looked especially bad today.

 


Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Nah...you look great!
 
Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
 
Well, I didn't partake of this thread earlier (and missed at least one Onanism joke -- sorry, Bob), but I thought I would now. I decided around the end of November (just after Thanksgiving) to try to lose some weight. I'm now down 27 pounds and I've moved the belt in three notches (also, the purpose of the belt is no longer to prevent the buttons from popping off the pants, but rather so I'll have somewhere to attach my cell phone). I can wear my jeans even when they've just been washed and dried. My neck is back to being thinner than my head. I no longer feel man-boobs shaking when I'm driving on a rough road. The information on my drivers license is now almost correct.

I'm hoping to lose another 10-15 pounds, but I'm not really concerned about it. I am pleased.

--Pop
 


Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Wow! That's great!

I've lost 20 pounds since Halloween, and I thought that was pretty drastic! 27 since Thanksgiving.... ::shakes head::


<--- feels unworthy
 


Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
*bows*
 
Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
quote:
I no longer feel man-boobs shaking when I'm driving on a rough road.

What in the world do you drive Papa Moose? A jackhammer?
 


Posted by flyby (Member # 3630) on :
 
I need help!!!!! I don't want to exercize! Somebody yell at me and tell me to get on the bike!
 
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
 
I *am* going to the Y today if for no other reason than to weigh myself. My dog peed on our old scale (we actually can't remember why he did it because this is the one who would die rather than pee in the house) so it is gone since it was kind of hard to de-stink it. Hopefully while I'm at the Y I'll get some excercise in too!

AJ

 


Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
Yay! I met my first major goal, which was to fit into my good black suit before my next funeral. I didn't think I made it, but when I was getting dressed this morning I decided to try, and it fit!

*does dance of joy*
 


Posted by flyby (Member # 3630) on :
 
Yeah sure it feels great when you lose it, but what about when it is so much more fun to be online, reading posts, then downstairs on the bike, exercizing? Huh? What about that?

Ok...I'm calming down now..lol.
 


Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
GET ON THAT BIKE flyby!!!!!

Yay dkw--I think. "To fit into my good black suit before my next funeral." Try not to celebrate too obviously at the funeral, 'kay?
 


Posted by flyby (Member # 3630) on :
 
Ok..ok..I'll go. I like this thread. Sometimes you just need someone to give you that push. Thanks Icarus.
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 

 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
25 pounds as of today...

woo-hoo.

Although who can say how I'll be tomorrow after all the chocolate I've eaten today...
 


Posted by flyby (Member # 3630) on :
 
*waves finger at Icarus*
You know that chocolate isn't good for you!
 
Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
 
This morning's weigh-in showed me down 33 pounds from my start, but I celebrated by splitting a "Chocolate Thunder from Down Under" with Squirrel after dinner at Outback Steakhouse tonight. Well, I wasn't celebrating the 33 pounds, we were just using up a gift certificate we got for Christmas. Prime rib -- Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Anyway, by morning I could well be back at that 27 pound mark. But that's still good for me....

--Pop
 


Posted by flyby (Member # 3630) on :
 
Man, all you boys are being bad!

I've been eating these fruit smoothies for breakfast, they are soo yummy. You just put a whole bunch of frozen fruit in the blender, put some milk it. I love them.
 


Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Outback's a bad, bad place. We've been there once since I started dieting just before Halloween. It's hard to have dinner there and stick to a diet. The only way I managed was by just eating half of my steak. And as for dessert...well it's a good thing I didn't have any...
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
I haven't weight myself. I hate scales.

However.

At the end of October, beginning of November I bought new pants in size 14.

Friday night I bought pants for my interview.

Size 9/10.


 


Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
 
Actually, it wasn't so bad. In response to flyby, since I'm on the Atkins diet, the fruit smoothies for breakfast would probably be as bad or worse than the dessert. And Outback is great, because it's meat. Prime rib, fat and all, is no problem. I choose vegetables instead of potato, and forego the bloomin' onion, and it's all good.

It's pancakes I miss, though.

--Pop
 


Posted by Arthur (Member # 4026) on :
 
I want to say to all of you on your weight loss journey...Way to go! I applaud anyone who is able to stay with it. Having lost close to 200 lbs in the 19 months since my weight loss surgery I know I feel a lot better. I am a lot less tired, but being 5 months pregnant hasn't helped Best of Luck to each one of you.
 
Posted by Cor (Member # 4295) on :
 
I just want to say that I am extremely proud of Icarus for sticking with this diet for so long. I don't think he's blown it one night since he began at Halloween time, except for the night of the Columbia disaster. We drank quite a bit while we shared our sadness with a friend and needless to say, alcohol has lots of calories.

The only problem I'm going to have is when he gets all slim and trim, I'm going to have to start counting.
 


Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
 
Well my plan was to log on today and tell ya'll how good I'd been in sticking with my resolution to excercise 3 times last week. I went and swam laps at the Y a week ago Monday. I did a nice easy swim, didn't exert myself, just took it easy, as would be appropriate for getting back in the water for the first time in 3+ years. I was still sore on Wednesday so I decided to postpone my next aquatic excercise until Thursday. On Thursday I started having severe tension headaches that have only gotten worse, leading me to spend most of the weekend in bed moaning about how my neck and head hurts. I'm going to the chiropractor today. I can feel the vertebrae that is out in the back of my neck. I guess I will have to find another form of excercise besides swimming. Up until about 10 months ago I was having massive tension headaches and migraines due to cumulative whiplash brought on by a bad swim coach telling me to do breaststroke incorrectly. For the past 5 years I have undergone extensive physical therapy, two epidural steroid injections, with MDs and chiropractors working together and more physical therapy. I guess I was expecting too much after 10 pain free months to think I could go back to the sport I love even on a mild basis. I'm kicking myself now that I could have been so dumb (though never in all of the time I was undergoing treament did the docs tell me to stop swimming) After I get over this bout of headaches I guess I will try an excercise bicycle or something that does not involve me moving my head and shoulders extensively. I'm also going to sign up for the next round of Pilates classes at the Y. I think Pilates would be good for me but I know I need an instructor to make sure I'm doing it right, given my past history, rather than try to learn it from a video.

AJ(who managed to make it to work inspite of her headache, only by consuming large amounts of ibuprofen and muscle relaxants)


 


Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
(((BannaOj)))
 
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
2 1/2 weeks later and the black suit still fits.
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Why is this bad? It takes a while to go completely through a size, and you said the suit used to be too tight. The jeans I bought several weeks ago that were slightly tight fit me now, perhaps a tiny bit loosely, but they're certainly not too big yet. It may be that that suit fits you now better (or perhaps more loosely) than it used to. At least you're keeping the weight off!


 


Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
 
Down 35 pounds as of this morning. Outback bumped me from 33 down to 30, at least temporarily, but I'm back baby! Back baby! Back baby! Back baby! Back, I want my baby back, baby back, baby back... Chili's baby back ribs... Chili's baby back ribs. <Barbecue sauce.>

*sigh* Here we go again....

--Pop

 


Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 

 
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
The fact that the suit fits is fine. The fact that I had to wear it twice in three weeks is .
 
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
 
my neck is feeling much better, after two visits to a chiropractor. I have been watching what I eat and lowering the amounts, even though I haven't been excercising. I think I've lost a couple pounds judging from the way my clothes fit. I'm going to wait a month before I do another "official" weighing though.

AJ
 


Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Oh.

::kicks self::

Stupid Icarus.




 


Posted by Unmaker (Member # 1641) on :
 
:tosses in more encouragement, watches own weight:
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
30 pounds as of today!

I have a much smaller appetite than I used to. I regularly have leftovers after meals. I find myself craving fruits and vegetables, and healthier foods in general. My pants are starting to fit quite loosely, but I'm waiting as long as I can before I buy new clothes, since I still have a long way to go (about another 60 pounds). I have been extremely healthy this year as well. Coincidence? Who knows?

Thanks for all of the encouragement so far...



 


Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
!
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
Me!

[This message has been edited by mackillian (edited February 25, 2003).]
 


Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 

::wants to compliment you, but is afraid of seeming to flirt on a board his wife frequents::


 


Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
 
<Dittos Icarus.>
 
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
Mack, you are svelte and lovely.

<-- has no wife to worry about.

 


Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
 
Ditto Icarus and Papa Moose.
 
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
I got on the scale this morning, and I seem to have lost some weight. Not sure how, though I have been trying to watch what I eat - maybe it's all that working through lunch I've been doing.

Anyway, it was nice to see a slightly lower number on the scale.

Now, if only I could figure out a way to get in a bit more exercise...

**Ela**
 


Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
 
I'm down about 5lbs. Been following a nutrition plan and working out about five times a week (once a week with a personal trainer).

I don't have a lot of weight to lose, but I want to build some muscle and tone. I knew I was doing well when I found I could easily zip my hip boots, even though I hadn't lost more than a pound or two, by the scales.

And now I can benchpress my boys.
 


Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
 
Mack looks YOWZA YOWZA YOWZA.
 
Posted by flyby (Member # 3630) on :
 
::bump::

So, how is everyone doing?
 


Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
 
I'm sticking pretty level at 176 pounds (having lost 36). I'll go up for a day, then back down. I don't really go down for a day and then back up, though. I'm still sorta doing the Atkins thing, but not really. Lunch yesterday was pizza -- ~100g carbs. But I still watch it a bit. When I do have pizza or something, I'll forego ice cream. And I still watch portion size.

And I've determined that I prefer Tony Roma's baby back ribs (with Carolina Honey BBQ sauce) to Chili's baby back ribs. But Chili's has that deliciously decadent dessert....

--Pop
 


Posted by flyby (Member # 3630) on :
 
Way to go Pop!
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
quote:
And I've determined that I prefer Tony Roma's baby back ribs (with Carolina Honey BBQ sauce) to Chili's baby back ribs.

Well duh.

I'm doing well...33 pounds or so lost so far.

But I had the farthest to go of anyone on this thread, so it's really just a drop in the bucket.
 


Posted by flyby (Member # 3630) on :
 
33 pounds it great! You're doing awesome Icarus! Just keep on going...you can do it!
 
Posted by Troubadour (Member # 83) on :
 
I'll add this to my Atkins Update thread when I can be bothered finding it...

I'm not weighing myself - frankly I don't want to spend the dosh, since all the meat I'm eating has blown out my monthly budget outrageously...

But after a week, it seems to be working, I've got more energy, I'm clear-headed and alert for the first time in god knows when, I'm dreaming (what's with that!?!??! I haven't dreamed properly in years, and suddenly all night every night is dreams...) and I just noticed yesterday that my jeans are starting to get a bit loose - in fact, checking my normally spot-on belt, it seems I need to create a decent-size new notch in my belt.

So it seems to be working. yay!

(and good for you, Icarus!)
 


Posted by flyby (Member # 3630) on :
 
Yeah, as for me, I decided I was getting way too obsessed with how much I weigh, so I've decided that I'm just trying to eat all my fruits and vegetables. I put my scales away and haven't weighed myself in a while, but my jeans do seem to be a bit looser, so that is nice.
 
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
I went for a physical Friday, and my doctor commented that I had lost weight since my last visit.

I agreed that I had lost but said I wanted to lose more. I feel I need to exercise more to lose weight and have the muscle tone I'd like to have.

My doctor thinks the only way to lose weight is count calories.

Never catch me doing that!!

**Ela**
 


Posted by Cor (Member # 4295) on :
 
Icarus is (as far as I'm concerned) bearing a greater and greater resemblance to Ares (from Xena). I look forward to the day we have the costume made for him....teehee. Back when we first started dating, a friend of mine described him as "yummy with a spoon." I may have to start carrying weaponry to fend off all the competition.
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Somebody called me that?!?!

Ela, counting calories is a very easy and flexible way to lose weight. I've lost over thirty pounds so far doing it, and not found it at all difficult. And unlike a lot of other weight-loss plans, the physics behind it is sound. The only reason people find it hard is that they start something that is too strict to stick to. I'd be happy to talk to you about what I'm doing, if you're ever curious.
 


Posted by Cor (Member # 4295) on :
 
That was Amy...boo hiss . I was seriously afraid (at the time) that she might try to take you from me. I guess I shouldn't have worried. I had you hooked. But I did warn her off.....
 
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
Icarus, you're not one of those Atkins people?

Counting calories just seems burdensome to me. I try to eat in moderation, and avoid too many fats and sugars.

**Ela**
 


Posted by NdRa (Member # 2295) on :
 
Great job!!!

I've lost about 80 pounds with my version of the Atkin's diet a couple years ago. Instead of counting my carbs, I just make sure to cut most of them out of my diet. No more rice, bread, or sugar based products. I do allow myself fruit though, which is a big no-no in the Atkin's diet.

From that 80 pounds I lost, I've gained about 20 of it back since summertime. I've been eating whatever I want, and blame the downfall on my trip to Europe. Europe is not an easy place to diet in. This weekend, I had to dig through my closet to find my bigger clothes. I decided enough is enough. I am back on the low carbs diet, and so far since Saturday I've shed 3 pounds! I realize this is probably water weight i've lost, but it's very motivating to see the numbers go down.

Have any of you tried the 'carb solutions' chocolate bars? They are so yummy, and are low in carbs and taste just like chocolate. You can find them at Trader Joe's. I'm convinced I can stick to the diet because this chocolate bar exists.

edit: stupid spelling

[This message has been edited by NdRa (edited March 11, 2003).]
 


Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
 
I can't afford to spend over a buck on a candy bar, which is why I haven't done the "Carb Solutions" bars. I did buy some Carbo-Lite bars when they were buy-one-get-one-free, but that has since ended. My younger brother's girlfriend found them on sale at Wal-Mart for twenty cents each, and bought a ton of them. Our WalMart still has them at 97 cents, which is just too rich (no pun intended) for my blood, though certainly preferable to the $1.49 elsewhere.

--Pop
 


Posted by Nick (Member # 4311) on :
 
*wishes I wasn't dangerously close to being over 200 lbs.* That's a lot for a guy at 5'8".

[This message has been edited by Nick (edited March 11, 2003).]
 


Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
No, I don't do Atkins.

The hardest thing about counting calories was just having some place to keep track of what I ate. I used to carry around a little notebook, like we used to use for writing down homework assignments when we were kids, before they came out with these huge planners. Problem was I would get tired of carrying around a little notebook everywhere, so I would leave it, forget it, lose it, and otherwise fall off of the wagon. When PDAs came out, I knew that would be the solution for me, but I didn't want to have a bunch of devices on my belt. So I waited until they came out with a PDA that was also a cell phone. One device that could serve so many purposes! Sure, it was expensive, but so far I've lost thirty pounds, and I'm well on my way to losing the 90 or so pounds I needed to lose. My father never won his battle of the bulge, and he's had a quadruple bypass and angioplasty and early retirement to show for it. I want to be around to watch my grandkids grow up. This device is helping me, so it's well worth the price I paid.

The cool thing about counting calories (coupled with a diet that is moderate instead of severe) is that my habits are gently changing before my eyes. I am seeing myself crave healthy foods because they are actually more satisfying. I am starting to fill up sooner than I used to, and to have leftovers. If I set some strict and unnatural regimen, then even if I didn't quit along the way, I would probably gain all of my weight back as soon as I was off the diet, because my underlying habits would not have changed. But I'm changing what my body considers satisfying, and I think that has the potential to bring me longer lasting good health.

Perhaps coincidentally, or perhaps not, I've been healthier this year than I've been for years. ::knocks on wood::
 


Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
I’m wearing jeans a size smaller today.
 
Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
 
I wear the same size jeans as before, but now I can breathe, too.
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 

I've been putting off buying new clothes as long as possible because I'm still losing more weight, but today I'm wearing a shirt that is one size smaller than most of my shirts (two sizes smaller than some of my shirts). It's an old shirt, and I had begun to wear it less and less because it was getting too tight. Today it fits me great, better than all of my looser shirts do.

I think a lot of people from work haven't yet noticed how much weight I've lost because I wear really baggy clothes now. Big people like to wear baggy clothes to fool themselves into thinking nobody can see how big they are, but I am also finding that when your clothes are too baggy, it actually seems like there's more hiding in there than there really is.


 


Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
 
I bought two more pairs of jeans size 12 recently. This time unlike last time, they fit correctly when I put them on, instead of being too tight (the too tight ones before were the same brand) so I think I'm doing better. Of course I'd like to be a size 10 but I haven't been there since age 17, and they were always pretty tight and a bit ucomfortable on me anyway. Being a straight 12 is much better than exploring the 14s!

AJ
 


Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
:: pies BannaOj::

Darn people who aren't really overweight coming in here and bragging.

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[ July 19, 2003, 07:36 PM: Message edited by: Icarus ]
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
Apparently wedding gowns are evil, or so says the dude that worked at the bridal shop. He said they run 1-2 sizes SMALLER than your regular size. What gives?

So yeah, last weekend I tried on gowns. The size 10 fit me, except for my shoulders (I have broad shoulders. Apparently the muscular shoulders are my genetic gift :rolleyes . Couldn't zip it all the way up. My friend kept saying "Suck it in!" and I kept replying "I can't suck in BONE!"

Pshht. Damn gowns.
 


Posted by Kate Emily (Member # 3409) on :
 
Congrats and encouragement to all.

I've read once (sorry I can't back it up with the source) that one usually can't lose more than 10-12 % of their weight from the beginning of dieting in one go; then they hit the plateau. Does it agree with your experience? Would it satisfy you as the final goal?

BannaOj (and others)- size 12 isn't the same in US and in UK, is it? (British 12 = German 38 = French 36). *sigh* I tried some things on in the US and still can't work it out (so I won't be surprised if you don't know the answer too ).

Oh, and I've lost 6 kilos since the end of January.

edit: No, I think it = French 40. Jeez, it IS complicated.

[This message has been edited by Kate Emily (edited March 12, 2003).]
 


Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Kate Emily...that doesn't match my experience, but it may be because I'm not really dieting, in the sense of a strict artificial experience. Ultimately, what I'm doing is gradually changing my eating habits, but using calories as a way to quantify the change. My experience is that people with eating disorders, be it obesity or anorexia, can't really grasp how much they're eating or how much they should be eating in any kind of holistic way. My experience, and that of a lot of other people I know, from trying to "just eat healthier" without any concrete guidelines, or with unrealistic guidelines, was that I fooled myself. I ordered the salad but drowned it in meat, cheese, and dressing. I got the chicken, but ate tons of bread, potatoes, etc. My body wasn't giving me the proper feedback. When did I stop eating? When the plate was empty. Things that weren't on the plate, like bread, didn't count at all. What counting calories does for me is give me a concrete way to quantify what I'm eating. It's not very strict (I'm currently consuming 2600 calories a day, which is about what a 180 pound man of average weight and metabolism consumes), but it keeps me honest. If I eat a 150 calorie roll, that's 150 calories I won't have somewhere else down the line. But that's a choice I can make, now. Before, I fooled myself and ate the roll and something else. Now, I eat a lot of fruits and vegetables, which I enjoy now more than I did before, I eat a lot of light protein, like seafood and chicken, and occasionally I even have desserts like ice cream or sherbert or even chocolate(!). What I can do now is eat and enjoy in moderation.

I have already lost more than 10% of my body weight, I have not felt any loss of energy (actually, I believe I have more energy), and I have been very healthy. I don't seem to be hitting any sort of plateau.
 


Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
And no, 10% doesn't come near to satisfying me.

I'm only about 1/3 of the way.
 


Posted by Kate Emily (Member # 3409) on :
 
Thanks, Icarus. I was asking beacuse according to this theory? observation? I would soon be nearing plateau... Which would be only so-so result for me. And I used the word "diet" because I couldn't find better, what I meant was actually "weight loss plan" or something like that.

I don't count every single calorie too but I believe that general awareness in that matter is the only way to lose weight... For example, yesterday inpired by Hatrack I tried root beer for the first time in my life, but remembered to sweat off those additional 170 kcal at the gym...


 


Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
 
Shouldn't it be British 12 = German 38 = Freedom 40?
 
Posted by Jomtuuv (Member # 4681) on :
 
Doesn't matter what you eat. Even if it IS tofu, if you eat too much of it, you WILL get fat.
 
Posted by Jomtuuv (Member # 4681) on :
 
Doesn't matter what you eat. Even if it IS tofu, if you eat too much of it, you WILL get fat. Take it from me, Im living proof.
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
I dunno about that...if you were eating lettuce you'd probably rupture your stomach long before you consumed enough calories to gain weight.

And I seem to recall having heard once that some particular vegetable had "negative calories," in that it took more calories to eat it that the item contained. I wish I could remember what it was.
 


Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
 
I heard it was celery -- I have no idea whether or not it's true.
 
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
 
I heard celery too but I also heard that that was total urban legend. Hmmm...anyone know?

Also, I'm trying to work out more, I officially join this thread.

Hobbes
 


Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
*pummels Hobbes*


 


Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
 
Hey! What is that for!?! *pies mack* Wow, I'm getting quite the work-out here!

Hobbes
 


Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Just a thread resurrection to say I'm still on the wagon. I stopped posting here for a while because it's kind of embarrasing what a long road this is, and how overweight I was. I've been at this for about six months and probably have about six more to go, so posting every three weeks or so was getting kind of tedious. But . . .

I've been good! I've lost about forty pounds so far. My shirt size in t-shirts has gone from XXL to XL, and in collar shirts has gone from XL to L. (Am I the only one who wears a different size in collar shirts and t-shirts? I find collar shirts to be much baggier.) I don't know what my pant size is because I haven't bought new pants, but I do know that the tight jeans I bought several months ago are quite baggy. I will have to by new slacks before my vacation ends, because the ones I have are too baggy to wear anymore. I am enjoying rediscovering a lot of clothes that were floating around at the bottom of my drawers because they had gotten just barely too tight.

[Big Grin]

I have not been sick once in almost a year, and I seem to have tons of energy.

::knocks on wood::

Still paddling the old knew,
Joe
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Actually, I guess I've been doing this closer to eight months!

[Embarrassed]

Oh well, all for a good cause . . .
 
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
Congrats! I've also been pulling out clothes that were in the bottom of the drawers and the back of the closets since they didn't fit. Now they do!

The thing that I've found discouraging is that several of my friends (and my mother) have gone on crash-type diets to get ready for summer and lots lots of weight really fast. I keep telling myself that the slow and steady diet and exercise changes I've made will be better in the long run, but it's still discouraging.
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
*nod*

For years I kept trying drastic things to lose weight quickly and falling off the wagon quickly as well. Then I finally made myself realize that if I had taken a do-able, slow and steady approach, even if it took me a year or a year and a half, I would have been skinny long ago.

((dkw))
 
Posted by Boon (Member # 4646) on :
 
This seems like a better place to post my progress than that other thread. I started at 270 three weeks ago. I'm down to 254 now. That's 16 pounds in 3 weeks. 99 more to go! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Pixie (Member # 4043) on :
 
Congrats to Boon and DKW! [Smile]

::blushes:: I actually worked out for the sake of working out for the the first time in my life yesterday. I would love get back down to being below 105 instead of weighing 111. (Please, no telling me to leave it be. I get enough of that as is.) That tummy-fat around my belly-button is driving me nuts!

So yeah. [Big Grin] I did 100 curl-ups and I jogged a mile (big accomplishment for someone with exercise enduced asthma).

Edit because I can't spell exercise. [Frown]

[ June 29, 2003, 04:59 PM: Message edited by: Pixie ]
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
::pointedly ignores Pixie::

[Razz]

quote:
(I am eagerly waiting for the first person who doesn't know I'm dieting to notice. People who already know I'm dieting have commented that I look thinner, but when someone notices that you've lost weight all by themselves, that's a milestone! I'll be sure and post when that happens!)
I'm a paranoid cuss. I ignore compliments from people who know I'm trying to lose weight, because of course they're going to want to encourage me. The other day a coworker came to see the show who had not seen me since school ended in May. I don't recall if she knew I was losing weight, but she complimented me on my weight-loss. I took it with a grain of salt, though, because she was sitting next to Cor for most of the night, and Cor could have put her up to it. Same goes for Cor's parents, who visited this past week.

Today, though, I saw some folks I had not seen since I moved away from Miami. They too said I had lost a lot of weight. This may be incontrovertible proof at last that I'm making a difference.

Then again, people always say you've lost weight when they haven't seen you for a long time . . .

[Roll Eyes]

[Wink]
 
Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
 
The capital I in your name looks a little thinner, Icarus, but the graemlins make you look chubbier.

As for me, I've been slowly putting weight back on (more slowly than Mama Squirrel, but she has a much better excuse than I do). I've put back about 8 of the 36 I lost. I'm just about ready to start laying off the ice cream again. But it's so darn good.... Anyway, last time Mama had gestational diabetes, and had to go on an Atkins-like diet. If she does again (we'll know in 3-4 more weeks), then I'll go on it, too, and all will be well. If not, well, I'll eat that bridge when I come to it.

--Pop
 
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
 
when did I miss the hint that a Mooslet II was on the way? Or will it be a Squirrelet??

AJ
 
Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
 
We don't know yet which it is. This doctor prefers to do the ultrasound later, so it's more clear. We've got a few more weeks to go. We'll let you all know when we hear.

As to the announcement, try searching for any posts by Mooselet (I think he's only had two). He's the one who told. Ok, did the search myself -- here it is.

--Pop
 
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
 
Way to go, Icarus and dkw! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Troubadour (Member # 83) on :
 
Great work guys! Icarus, you must be feeling great!

I've been on and off the wagon now since I last posted the thread - lots of trips and parties, my girlfriend moving in with me, etc all conspired with my conspicuous lack of willpower to really keep up the fight. However, I've stayed relatively-low carbs and have continued to lose weight.

The way it stands now I've lost about 30kgs. I'm under 100 kgs for the first time in almost a decade. I'm wearing size 34-35 pants where before I was between 40-42. I'm able to wear L shirts rather than XXL.

I now have no extra weight on my chest, arms or lefts, with just the tire around my middle and the bit on my neck to go.

To everyone who wants to lose weight, I think the thing you need to keep in mind is that it's POSSIBLE - that was my biggest stumbling block. I wanted to be thinner, but couldn't imagine that I could be anymore. You can.
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
I'm with all of you on THAT one.

I'm desperately afraid I'll gain all my weight back.

Me in May 2002

Me in July 2003

I'm also terribly confused about my weight itself. At this point, I'm very well muscled, have a low resting heart rate, low BP, exercise six days a week, hike a mountain a week. I've dropped three sizes (still three?). I eat healthy (low carb, lots of protein, fruits and veggies), exercise.

That last photo was taken on a Sunday. The Thursday before that, the doc's office weighed me at 159. o_O *confused*
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Water.
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
[Confused]
 
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
So, Icky, maybe I should take you up on your offer to share your calorie counting techniques.

I seem to be gaining weight (or at least my clothes are getting tight). [Frown]

**Ela**
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
(((Ela)))

IM me sometime.
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
I'm joining a fitness center, so I'll have a place to go work out. Once the kiddos are in school, I'll be able to go three times a week for strength training, I'll be doing the cardio at home, mostly. We'll see.

I really do want to get in shape, I've been having so much fun when we go hiking or just outside to play, and I want to be able to do more of it.
 
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
I would love to work out, too, Belle, but I am so tired when I get home from work that I don't have the energy.

I do go Israeli folkdancing twice a week though, which is pretty good exercise, I think.

**Ela**
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
That sounds cool!
 
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
It's great fun. [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

I invited Shlomo to come, too, and he's been learning all the dances...at least, he was before he left for camp. [Smile]

**Ela**
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
I've always wanted to learn some sort of dance, but I've never gotten around to making time for it. What you describe sounds like a neat way to bond with family and pass on culture. Cool!
 
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
They have folkdancing in Orlando... [Wink] [Smile]
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
quote:
but I've never gotten around to making time for it.
I know [Smile]

Choices, choices!

As it is, community theatre is starting to crowd my fiction writing, and I have less and less time to read . . . and I'm entering a school year where I will have more take-home work than I have in years.

And, in keeping with the theme of this thread, I really need to make time for exercise . . .

[Smile]
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
::scratches head::

I could always spend a little less time here . . .

[Smile]
 
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
Hahahahahahahahaha!!! [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Lead (Member # 918) on :
 
Well, it's been, more or less, 18 months since I started losing weight. I have now lost just a bit over 100 lbs, and I snapped a pic today, just for the heck of it. (Okay, I confess, I snapped the pic because I still have trouble seeing the amount of weight I've lost when I look in the mirror. It helps me to compare pics.)

I currently weigh in between 125-130, depending on the day, and am sporting size 8 jeans. My dress size is between a 6 and an 8. I don't honestly remember ever being this small of a size, though I realize I must have passed through it at some point in early adolescence. By the time I hit high school, I know I was a size 10.

I'm still working on toning up, though I've regained a good deal of my strength after the pelvic fracture last November. I don't have full range of motion yet -- can't lift anything over about 10 pounds all the way up over my head, and bending at all backwards still causes some sort of bad twinge across the lower back -- but I can once again lift a 100 pound bale of hay and move it across a paddock. All in all, not too shabby, considering the circumstances.

[Cool]

~~~Lead
 
Posted by Eruve Nandiriel (Member # 5677) on :
 
I lost 15 lbs since the end of Aug. [Evil]

YAY! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
 
Way to go Lead. Or is it Lead? Or some strange pronunciation like Layahd?

I did Body for Life before we decided to have nano-pook. There is also a mini-pook and a micro-pook. Anyway, nano-pook is getting old enough to have other food, so I think I can take more proactive steps to stabilize my fitness level. Mr. pook has vowed to take on the sympathy poundage as well.

So I guess I'll start exercising more regularly. I got my rowing machine out of the basement, but putting it in my room will signify a commitment to keep it clean in there. Which I should do anyway. sigh.
 
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
 
Holy schnikes Lead! That's awesome! What was your plan?
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
I second that.

How'd you do it?!

You look awesome. [Smile]
 
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
 
Lead, we need a jaw dropping smilie. You look fabulous! 100lbs! That's fantastic!
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Awesome, lead!

[The Wave]

[Hat]

(Just come on into my thread and make the 50 pounds I've lost since last October seem insignificant, why don'tcha? [Grumble] )
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
"I don't honestly remember ever being this small of a size, though I realize I must have passed through it at some point in early adolescence."

That is so unbelievable. You inspire me!
 
Posted by Eruve Nandiriel (Member # 5677) on :
 
That's great! I'm definately going to keep up with my diet! I've been doing Atkins, no carbs, no sugar, I'm surprised I haven't gone insane...but I'm down to 118!

[ September 17, 2003, 10:45 PM: Message edited by: Eruve Nandiriel ]
 
Posted by Lead (Member # 918) on :
 
Icarus, I wouldn't ever want to give the impression that 50 lbs isn't significant. Hey, I remember having lost 50 lbs, and I certainly felt thrilled at that. You should be very proud!

Thanks to everyone for the nice things said. I feel pretty damned good. I *am* having some trouble with my ability to see the loss. Don't get me wrong...I can tell I've lost weight. Heck, the amount of money I've had to spend on clothes alone is proof of that. There isn't a single article of clothing I wore a year ago that I can wear now, and at times the rate of my loss meant that I had to buy new clothes to wear, but that I was only able to wear them one or two times before they were again too large for me. I went very very quickly through the size 14 range, and again through the size 10 range, where as I spent a few months at size 12, more or less. At size 8, I discovered that I must now buy jeans in "tall" sizes, where previously I'd always taken an "average". But while I still kind of giggle a bit when dressing in the morning, when I look in a mirror I do indeed have a hard time seeing all the weight loss. I mean, yeah, I know I've lost the weight, but when I look in the mirror, I still see "fat".

As to how I've done it, it seems to be the question that everyone asks, including my nurse practitioner. My answer remains that I've "done all the stuff the doctor's tell us to." Actually, I had a boost at the very beginning, that got me rolling. I had sinus surgery in March of 2002, after which I was finally NOT on any steroid drugs at all. I hadn't ever been on them constantly, but I had been on and off of steroids of varying sorts for 4 years (being treated for severe allergies, recurring chronic sinus infections, and one case of pnuemonia). It certainly didn't help me much, and I did add on the pounds. I probably put on 40 or so lbs in those years, but I was a bit overweight to begin with. After the surgery, I dropped probably 20 lbs pretty quickly, without doing much. This gave me just the boost I needed, both to my metabolism and to my self esteem, and I decided that it was time to take some of the weight off.

I drastically changed my eating habbits, forcing myself to eat a few small meals a day, starting with breakfast. I lead a relatively active lifestyle, what with the dogs and horses, so I didn't do too much "exercising", I just kept working with the animals. While not exactly following the Atkins diet, I did make adjustments. I cut out a LOT of carbs, mostly my big weaknesses, pasta, bread, and potatoes. Any carbs I had came in the form of whole grains of some sort. I didn't make much effort to cut out fat, but did shift around to where most of the foods I ate were more "natural" -- no meals out of cans, or boxes. It only took a month or two to adjust my system to the point where I was no longer ABLE to eat a large meal. I started many meals by eating my entire salad, and then I'd eat a few bites of the main dish, and pack it up for later. For the first 6 months or so, most of the meat I ate was chicken. After that, I loosened up on that part.

In fact, by the hottest part of last summer (August/September), I had to increase what I was eating because I found I was getting sick whenever I tried to do much of anything physical. I simply wasn't eating enough, though my stomach wasn't feeling hungry, and it left me physically weak. Not a good thing when one is trying to haul hay around while it's 100+ degrees.

One of the keys, for me, has been that nothing is "forbidden". If I'm out with friends, and the group orders fried potato skins with ranch dressing, sure, I'm going to have some. But I won't order the same if I'm out alone. Not denying myself stuff that I'm truly craving has really helped. Once I got my system kind of shifted around, and used to not eating large meals, or lots of fried carbs, it became much easier to eat a little of something, and be content with that. In other words, I don't need a whole big bag of dorritos. If I'm truly craving such a thing (which hardly EVER happens any more), I'm content with half of a small bag.

I didn't ever set an end goal for myself, either. I knew that I wanted to get down back to a size 14. I knew I would prefer to be smaller than that, but I didn't know if I'd be able to get down to a 10. Once I realized I would probably get down to a 10, I wondered what it would be like to be an 8. Well, I'm there, and it is fun. I still feel fat, though, and don't know if I'll lose a bit more, or if my system will kind of stable out here.

Right now, however, my biggest trouble is that I have this really great dress, and no excuse to wear it! [Wink] I may look better than I did, but it hasn't done SQUAT to improve my social life!

Thanks again everyone!
~~~Lead
 
Posted by Theca (Member # 1629) on :
 
Lead, how tall are you?
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
quote:
I *am* having some trouble with my ability to see the loss. Don't get me wrong...I can tell I've lost weight. Heck, the amount of money I've had to spend on clothes alone is proof of that. There isn't a single article of clothing I wore a year ago that I can wear now . . .
I know exactly what you mean! Deep down inside, it's as if my brain doesn't believe that I have gotten skinnier, but that my clothes have gotten bigger. There's no way I could have worn that before. That's huge. But I'm still the same size as ever. [Big Grin] I have to work at noticing and appreciating the change. But it's getting a lot easier now that people are starting to notice everywhere I go. [Smile]

Your diet sounds a lot like mine in the end result, if not in the execution. I deny myself nothing; I just eat what I want to in moderation. I haven't so much cut out carbs; in fact, my eating pattern looks an awful lot like the food pyramid, though without me planning it that way. I tend to eat very little meat these days, and almost no red meat, not because I don't allow myself to, but because I know I won't be able to eat as much other stuff if I do. So I don't crave it like I would if I went on a "no red meat" kick or on a "no bread or pasta" kick.

Frankly (and I know this echoes something OSC said in a column once, but it happens to be true for me as well) I can't recall a period of my life when I have had dessert as often as I have for the past year. I have something sweet pretty much each and every day. Before, I didn't, and I thought it was being "good," but I fooled myself because I was eating all kinds of other junk to more than compensate.
 
Posted by Vána (Member # 3262) on :
 
*walks resolutely into thread*

Here I am. On Sept. 7, Lime and I started the South Beach Diet. My mom had found it, and she and my dad started it because my dad's family has a history of heart problems and diabetes, and this diet was designed by a cardiologist for those very people. Since genetically I'm at risk, too, and since Lime and I both put on weight during college (and after, since I have a job where I sit at a desk all day long - yuck!), we decided that we'd read the book if Mom and Dad liked the diet.

They did. So we did. And I was impressed.

So, here I am. After one week, I'd lost 3.5 lbs, and Lime lost 2.5. We're starting to see the difference, and both are feeling better and more energetic. Yay! Phase II starts on Sunday, which will be nice. And, I'm going to keep an eye on this thread and let you all know how it's going.

We're pretty excited about it, so far. And my mom's going to help me buy the new clothes I'll need. [Wink]
 
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
 
Carrots are also a catabolic food because they take more calories to digest than the provide. However, for the same reason they are glycemic so if you are having carrots you should have them alone. Because they open up the fat cells for storage. However, people with eating disorder often go on a carrot only diet and they can start turning orange. Seriously.

I read a tip that a gram of fiber is *like* subtracting 7 calories, because it absorbs fat and increases the rate at which food travels through the digestive tract.

The glycemic index is problematic because it rewards foods for containing fat and penalizes them for containing fiber. It's a useful tool for people who are actually diabetic, but it can lead to some weird conclusions as a general diet tool.

P.S. my rowing machine is missing a screw and wingnut. Hope to find it today.

[ September 18, 2003, 12:33 PM: Message edited by: pooka ]
 
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
 
Okay, I was reading about the South Beach Diet and found the fact that you can "lose up to 13 pounds" in the first 2 week phase of the diet. However, before that, it said in a 12 week study, participants lost an average of 13.6 pounds. So, if you lose 13 pounds the first 2 weeks, you're screwed for the next 10. [Wink]
 
Posted by Lead (Member # 918) on :
 
Theca, I'm about 5'7, give or take (I get noticably shorter at the end of the day, when my back is starting to really bother me...hehe).

Icarus, sweets have never been my weakness. I hardly ever crave something sweet, and when I do, I have always pretty much just let myself have what I want. I crave something chocolate about once a month. (Anyone here surprised at all by that? *laugh*) It's generally something hard to locate, and extremely rich, creamy, and fairly expensive. Very high-end chocolate is generally involved. Any old cookie will never do, I don't like most pies (can't stand cooked fruit usually), will turn my nose up at all but the very best of cakes, and don't even like icecream most of the time. No, sweets hasn't ever been the issue. It's _ALWAYS_ been, for me, the potatoes. Crunchy, salted, fried potatoes. I would take a big plate of fried potato skins smothered in cheese and sour cream over cake ANY day. In fact, giving up potatoes really close to entirely for over 6 months was THE hardest part of all this.

But I really didn't give them up entirely. I made sure I had carbs every day, but they were nearly all whole grains. To be honest, I think NOT watching fat levels too closely, but rather fat sources, helped me nearly as much as anything. With the smaller portions I now eat, and keeping myself not used to eating too much at a time, a little bit of fat of some sort in my meal just satisfies me more. I don't _like_ low- and non-fat foods. So a little bit of butter on something (real butter, not margerine), or a little bit of good olive oil in a vinegrette dressing, make me quite happy. If I'm not enjoying what I'm eating, I won't be sticking to the program. I just have to be very careful how MUCH of it I eat.

To everyone else, keep up the hard work! See, it CAN pay off!

Oh, and pooka, "lead", as used here, is a synonym for "leash". Or, as I once said in a moment of confused brilliance to another online friend who asked how it was pronounced, "it rhymes with "read." *laugh*

~~~Lead
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
So how do I get from a 10 to an 8?

Am frustrated. I've hit a plateau in the last few months and despite the exerise and eating habits, my size has remained the same. [Mad]
[Wall Bash]

My TONE has improved greatly.
 
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
 
mac, that's where I'm at. I'm only trying to lose 10lbs, to get from a 8/10, back to a 4/6. So I started a low sugar, high lean protein, high fiber diet and began working out with a combo of cardio and strength training. It's been two months.

I've only lost 3lbs, and that was just within the past week. But I've lost 4% body fat and gained lean mass, which is good. My husband likes. [Smile] But it hasn't come off my waist, which is what is keeping me out of the 4/6's. I *really* want to lose the baby belly. I am hoping that another month or so will do it.
 
Posted by jexx (Member # 3450) on :
 
I can't believe I am responding to a diet thread. Ugh. Not that I amn't happy for you all, I am, and proud, but it's just not my thing.

However!

I had to respond to let Leadie know how awesomely happy and shiny and fit she looks. Yay Leadie! You are definitely not fat (no matter what your silly half-a-brain tells you), you are lean and willowy!

Congratulations to everyone who is getting healthier and more toned (and yes, losing weight). I am proud of you.
 
Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
 
Well, after years of denying my slow and steady weight gain, it finally became too much to ignore. I'm fat!

So a month ago I sucked it up and joined Weight Watchers, something I swore I'd never do thanks to my mom's perpetual yo-yo dieting as a kid. But I need the structure and community support, and I need someone checking up on me each week. So here I am.

I've been on it for a month, and I lost 7.5 pounds in my first three weeks! My fourth week ends tomorrow, and I've been really good this week, so I'm hoping to hit 10... we'll see. I still can't see/feel any changes, but hey. It's happening. And it's not hard! I'm still eating all the crap I love, just in more reasonable portions. This is something I can do for the rest of my life, easily.

mack, whenever one of the people in my group hit a plateau, it almost always means that they've gotten stuck in a routine. Eating the same foods every day, the same number of calories a day, etc. In almost every single case, eating MORE for a week breaks them out of it. So maybe try eating half again as much as you normally would this week? And water, water water... it's been beaten into my head, and I'm finally starting to see it. If I don't drink a ton of water one week, I see nothing. If I do, bam! :-)
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Good for you, Ayelar! (Though I'm certain you're not fat.

[Big Grin]

Regarding yo-yo dieting. I have come to believe that diferent people have different methods of losing weight that truly work for them, after seeing OSC and Oprah espouse approaches that haven't worked for me, and after hearing nutritionists dismiss methods that have. Also, after noting the violent disagreement between the trendy Atkins diet and the food pyramid. The struggle, I think, is in finding the method that works for you: that is effective and that you can stick with forever. So when a diet doesn't work, or when lost weight is regained, what I think people need to do is not give up, but try a different approach. The dangerous thing, though, is that there are millions of approaches now, since the invention of diet books and diet programs [Wink] , and some of these might even be dangerous. And so I think that when one starts a new diet, the primary thought in one's mind can't be desperation, because people will do anything out of desperation. Rather, I think a person should only start a diet that makes sense to him or her on an intellectual level.

Some years ago, I found something that worked for me. I lost a lot of weight, and I kept it off for years. When my life changed, I slipped into bad patterns and regained my lost weight, but I remain convinced that this method of losing weight works for me, and so far, it has. And that's what makes it right for me. I hope weight-watchers is that for you, and I hope Atkins does it for whomever is on Atkins right now, and Pilates for whomever is on Pilates, and other exercise programs for whomever is working out right now . . . . .
 
Posted by Eruve Nandiriel (Member # 5677) on :
 
Atkins has worked for me, though my weight loss has slowed down lately [Frown] . When I started I was surprised to discover how much sugar I actually ate. I've gotten used to it now, and I don't miss it as much. I do miss pasta pretty badly though(awful for us Italians [Frown] ).
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
As I was surprised (even though I had intellectually already known it) when I was faced with just how many calories I had been ingesting on a daily basis. [Smile]
 
Posted by Theca (Member # 1629) on :
 
Wow, Lead, you do look great. And I wouldn't recommend you lose any more weight, or not much, anyway. You are right where you ought to be.

A rough way to estimate what a woman should weight is to take 100 lb then add 5 lb for every inch over 5' tall. So, a 5'7" woman should be...135 lb.

Another way to tell is to check the BMI, body mass index, and if you weigh 130 lb, your BMI is 20. Normal BMI is 18.5-25.

Either way, your weight is perfect.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Ayelar,
Since you are doing so well, do you mind sending me any extra Flex Ponts you have left at the end of the week?

I have been doing Weight Watchers for years. I lost a lot of weight right before I had my first babe, then never was really successful after that, though I do still stand by Weight Watchers as the most sensible plan. It's not WW, it's me. I feel that way about any diet. It is the sticking to it that is the hard part.

I like WW, because I like all the accoutrements. I LOVE the new checkbook system, though, like my own real world checkbook, I am constanstly overdrawn.

LEad, a friend of mine just lost fifty pounds. Like you, she has always been heavy, and it is like a new body for her. I am so thrilled she did it, and she feels so great. For me, I still think of myself as being fat at 145-ha!! What I would do to even get within thirty pounds of that!!

I keep looking at old pics, like after I had Alyssa, and I think, wow, I was actually lookin' pretty good! even though I felt I looked beastly at the time.

Argh! I am going to do this, I am!!

Am I?
 
Posted by Aye-Ayelar (Member # 5701) on :
 
Lol, Elizabeth! I'm afraid you can't have any from this weekend... We went out to dinner and then drinks, and I used... bum bum buuuum... 72 points on Friday! [Eek!] That was the first time I'd used any Flexpoints at all in four weeks, though, and I'm back on track now, so I'm ok.

I found out on Saturday that I've lost a total of 10.5 pounds my first month! I know I won't continue at this pace, but wow... This is the first time I've ever actually lost weight. [Smile]

Congratulations, everyone! I can't wait to be in your skinny new shoes. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Lead (Member # 918) on :
 
Theca, thanks! Now if I could just figure out how to stop gaining 10 lbs in water weight every month. [Wink]

~~~Lead
 
Posted by Vána (Member # 3262) on :
 
I lost four more pounds last week! Yay!

And I only cheated a little bit - sometimes a woman just needs a little chocolate. For me, it was a handful of chocolate chips. I felt tons better after that. [Wink]
 
Posted by Eruve Nandiriel (Member # 5677) on :
 
Yay Vana! [Big Grin]

I ruined my diet. It's dead. Goldfish are the death of any diet, you just can't stop eating 'em! Same for candy corn, mint chocolate chip ice-cream....yeah, I REALLY killed my diet yesterday. [Grumble] I was hoping to make it 'till thanksgiving/christmas. [Wall Bash] Oh well. Maybe I can get my diet going again....
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
OSC makes a good point regarding dieting (or exercising, or writing). If you see it as a temporary state, then when you blew it, you blew it, and you don't bother to get on it again, or you plan on trying again in X amount of time.

If, on the other hand, you decide that from now on, you simply ARE a person who eats less, or you ARE a person who works out, or you ARE a person who writes every night, or you ARE a person who spends time with your family, then the times you don't do it aren't an end to your streak, they are simply exceptions. I am a person who watches football games, right? If I can't watch any this weekend because I have to travel (ha! That's what VCRs are for!), I don't stop being a person who watches football games, I am simply a person who watches football games who didn't on this one particular weekend.

I am (now) a person who enjoys a wide variety of foods in reasonable quantities. If today happens to be an exception and I gorge myself, tomorrow I will nevertheless still be a person who enjoys a wide variety of foods in reasonable quantities.

Anyway, good luck! [Smile]
 
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
 
I needed to read this thread again. Steve's been losing weight and I haven't. I finally feel like I can be active again without fear of a mono relapse but it is sooo hard. I weigh the most I ever have in my entire life.

I'm 5'8" and I should weigh about 145lbs according to the BMI. I would be happy if I only weight 155lbs like I did at the beginning of this year. But now I weigh 170. I think I've lost two pounds because weighing myself at the same time of day I've gone from 172 to 170. But that is only two pounds. I want to be thinner but I can't quite figure out what I need to change in my diet. I don't eat large portions and only eat when I'm definitely hungry.

Maybe the answer is to work out more. I did 2 miles on our Gazelle last night, but I need to stick with it consistently. I think the extra weight has lowered my energy level and is working against me in that respect too.

I'd appreciate it if one of you would occasionally give me a poke and say "Hey, have you been excercising lately?"

Thank you,

AJ
 
Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
 
Hey Banna, I'm 5'8" too! And I can't wait to be 170 again. :-D I'm currently 188.6 as of last Saturday, down from 200.2 when I started at the end of August. But I'll get there! And beyond! I'm hoping to get to 135 by next August... oh, how wonderful that would be. I haven't weighed 135 since I was 13.

I remember reading that article of OSC's and thinking that it made sense, but couldn't possibly fit me. I wasn't a person who ate reasonable amounts. I ate a lot. I liked eating a lot. I had always done it, and I always would do it. My lame attempts at dieting never lasted more than 5 days, and I took this as further proof that I was not the kind of person who could eat less.

Well, who would have guessed. All I needed was a flexible and sensible structure to follow, some people checking up on me every week, and some community support, and bam! I'm losing weight. I'm eating reasonable amounts of food, and I'm not hungry. I'm eating what I want to eat, be it pizza, or corn dogs, or regular sodas, or beer, or whatever. I'm just being more reasonable about how much I can actually have in a day. I've become a person who eats less, and it only took me a week to make this mental shift. I can do this for the rest of my life, and I will do this for the rest of my life. No sweat. [Smile]
 
Posted by Eruve Nandiriel (Member # 5677) on :
 
Thanks Icarus! That helps. I know I've been eating much smaller portions for the last few months, though. But sometimes I can be weak-willed when it comes to some of my favorite foods (like goldfish), and I end up eating too much of it. But your advise helps, and I'll try to keep that in mind.

I also need to start excersizing, that would probably help. *nudges BannanaOj* Hey, have you been excercizing lately? [Wink]

Tall people. [Grumble] Uhg. I'm only 5'1". [Cry] So that means I should weigh about 105, and I'm currently 117. Not too far to go, but I still have a lot of fat I need to convert to muscle. Tall people, uhg. [Grumble]
 
Posted by Dragon (Member # 3670) on :
 
I've been reading a great book called Inner Eating by Shirley Billigmeier in health class. All you weight loosers ( [Razz] ) should read it!
 
Posted by Jexxster (Member # 5293) on :
 
Well, I suppose I might as well hop on the bandwagon here. I would like to lose some weight, but for me # of pounds isn't the concern as much as how I feel and such.

Reason being, I am just a pretty big guy, 6' 3" tall, about 230 lbs, on a pretty large frame (I'm about 56 inches measured around the top of my shoulders). Because of that I really don't think I am going to lose much weight, I just want to lose that insulation I have.

I really admire those of you who are really focused on watching what you eat. For me it has been much easier to begin a regular exercise regimen. I have been working on cardiovascular for about an hour 3 days a week and then hard weight lifting 3 days a week. Working on my 4th week of this and I am really amazed at the how much better I have been feeling (except the past few days-way too little sleep). Now my focus is on making my portions smaller. I will look to you folks as inspiration for that.

[ October 01, 2003, 06:04 PM: Message edited by: Jexxster ]
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
The other day, I read a chapter in a book by Mel Levine called "The Myth of Laziness." I was reading it to help with my students, who have, as he would describe it, "output failure."

Well, I got to a chapter that was basically written about me. It blew me away, actually. It was about a woman who was very creative, bla bla bla, but never seemed to finish anything. She lost everyting, etc. I am known for leaving my purse anywhere I go. Keys locked in the car. Bills late. Checkbook unbalanced.

I realized that I can't even think about losing wieght until I get my disorganization and subsequent procrastination under control. I am now thinking of this as a step, the first step, to weight loss.

Does that make sense to anyone else? Maybe it is a control thing? Maybe I can't lose weight because I can't seem to control these external, temporal bits?

The times I have been successful at keeping in shape and losing weight was when I was organized. With two young kids, I have to organize them, when I can barely hold my own crap together.

And I agree with OSC that it has to be a life thing. I have to be organized for life.
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
*cough*ADD*cough*
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Did you say something, Mack? I wasn't paying attention...
 
Posted by Godric (Member # 4587) on :
 
"Output failure." That's funny.

I like that.

[Wall Bash]
 
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
 
Well I've now excercised for two consecutive days in a row. That does not a habit make I realize, but it is progress.

AJ
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
mcubed and I are both on the Atkins diet right now. She has lost 35lbs since June 1, and I, who started later than she, have lost 15lbs since Sept. 1. We are both going to start working out as well. I need to get back to the swimming I was doing at the start of the year.

She wants to drop another 20lbs or so and get back to the weight she was when we got married. She wants me to get down to 190, which I don't think I have been since college. That's another 35lbs for me. We will see how it goes.

The hardest part for me was giving up soda pop. I would literally go through a 24 pack in a week, not counting what I drank at work. I hate the diet pops. I just started drinking Crystal Lite(Raspberry Ice) and found that I like this flavor at least. Now I am drinking 5-6 glasses of water a day. I still miss my chips though. [Frown]

msquared
 
Posted by Beca (Member # 4340) on :
 
"The Myth of Laziness"? That sounds interesting....I'll have to look that one up. [Smile]

I'm 5'2.75" according to the doctor's office, though I think I'm probably 5'3" in the morning, and closer to 5'2" at night. A year ago, I weighed 170 lbs. Of course, no one believed me, because 9 years of martial arts have given me some amount of muscle. I have, in my life, outweighed my mother by about 20 lbs (we have essentially the same frame/figure) and have still worn smaller clothing.

I've always been overweight. Things got a little better when I started doing martial arts, but seven hours a week isn't really enough to keep you from gaining weight if your problem is eating too much. And I did eat too much - for me. I ate pretty much the same amount that my classmates ate, but most of them were of the metabolically-blessed persuasion, and I am not.

I've always hated the way I look. The funny thing, though, is that it isn't low-self esteem (which is what many of my friends think) - it's vanity. It's both frustrating and embarrassing to be fat - and has had a huge impact on how I dress and how I behave. Of course, there have been advantages, too. Very few guys notice me, but the ones who do notice me appreciate me for who I am - and I've never been played.

But I decided that I was tired of being trapped in all that flesh. It got in the way. I'd gotten to a point in my study of martial arts where my weight was the main thing keeping me from developing further. I'd suspected for a while that I really could be a knockout under all the fat. And I've always been curious about what it would be like to *not* be overweight.

This morning I weighed 143 lbs. The last time I weighed this much, I didn't have a figure yet, so it's a considerably better-looking 143 lbs than last time. I had to buy a smaller belt. I've had to buy shirts in a size small, and I have the sneaking suspicion that my jeans are too loose...again. I've had to replace my office clothes. I will probably have to replace them once more, when I finish losing weight. It's expensive, but....well, it's worth it. I can do flying side kicks without worrying about landing. I can see my biceps when I flex them. I finally weigh less than my boyfriend, and I've started getting catcalls and turning heads when we go out (much to his amusement).

So, I have a ways to go. According to all those things that tell you how much you should weigh according to your height, I should weigh 115 lbs. I always weigh more than anyone expects me to, though, so I'm heading for 125 and seeing how I feel about that before I think about shooting for 115.

Social dinners are hard, because people always pressure me to eat more. Especially desserts, which I've pretty much had to give up. Eating at restaurants is tricky, because the portions are always huge. I've stuck to my guns, but I know that no matter how much I've smiled and said "It looks delicious, but I really, really can't eat that," some people have gotten offended along the way, and that's never fun. I think they're less offended now, though, because I've lost enough weight for it to really be noticed, and they've started being really supportive.

My only regret, at the moment, is being so very, very insistent on not being photographed back when I weighed 170. Silly vanity. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Eruve Nandiriel (Member # 5677) on :
 
msquared, I'm on Atkins, too. I've lost 15 lbs since the end of August. [Big Grin]
quote:
...I decided that I was tired of being trapped in all that flesh. It got in the way. I'd gotten to a point in my study of martial arts where my weight was the main thing keeping me from developing further. I'd suspected for a while that I really could be a knockout under all the fat. And I've always been curious about what it would be like to *not* be overweight...

I know what you mean, Beca. I couldn't stand myself anymore. I hated it. Then my mom started on the diet, and inspired me to do it. It really helps to have someone dieting with me. I think a lot of people, before they can lose weight, have to decide that they want to change the way they are, and be desperate enough to work hard at it. I normally don't have much self control, but when I went on this diet I was shocked at the self control I had (even though I've slacked off lately). I was even inspired to work harder at other things in my life, and not just my diet. I have recently gone through a serious personality change, too. And that was a concious decision to change the person I was. I'm happy! I fell like a totally different person! It's great! I just need to keep it up, and control myself. (and excercize....hey, bannanaOj, been excercizing lately? [Wink] )
 
Posted by Jexxster (Member # 5293) on :
 
Those in need of motivation for the whole exercise thing should check out your health insurance plans. Lots of companies are now offering discounts or prizes for exercising. The last company we had insurance from offered up to a $500 refund of your premiums at the end of the year, and our current plan (with Blue Cross and Blue Shield) offers some pretty decent prizes (clocks, radios, sports bottles, yoga mat, exercise ball, backpacks, sweatshirts, even portable tv, discman, 4 person tent) if you exercise regularly.

Yeah, somtimes you just really need to get up and move. I was tramping across campus today and realized as I got to the top of a fair sized hill that I wasn't out of breath. First time in a while. Then I got home and realized that I can pull my shorts right off without undoing them.

[The Wave]

Congrats to all!
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
I'm starting to outshrink cclothes faster and faster. Last year, I held out on buying new work clothes until the summer, because I knew I would lose weight over the summer and likely not get any wear out of clothes I bought late in the year. I finally bought new slacks about two months ago when the new school year started, and I bought them nice and snug, and they're already getting sorta big on me.

What I really need is new belts, though, because I wear those braided belts without holes, where you just poke it through the braids. The spot you use tends to become worn and widely gapped. I'm finding as I lose weight, though, that when I try to tighten the belt to better hold up my sagging pants, it simply unravels for a few centimeters to its same old spot. [Embarrassed]
 
Posted by Beca (Member # 4340) on :
 
Eruve Nandiriel-

My mom and dad are also dieting, so we've been exchanging recipes and meal plans and stuff. We're on opposite sides of the country, but it *is* a lot easier to keep at a diet when you've got support, even if it's in e-mail format.

And, of course, I've been lurking on this thread ever since it started....(Congratulations, all!)

[Smile]
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
I'm wearing this relatively new shirt for the third time today. The first two times, it fit kind of snugly. Today it fits well.

[Smile]
 
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
 
I didn't work out yesterday, of course having a splitting headache and going to the chiropractor had a lot to do with it.

I'll try to this evening though.

AJ
 
Posted by Eruve Nandiriel (Member # 5677) on :
 
Thanks for the support you guys! I'm "back on" my diet and I've lost two more pounds. I'm watching what I eat more carefully. The other day I was really having an awfull day, and ended up munching on candy and couldn't stop. I've never done that before, or at least never realized it. So I'm being much more careful now, and it helps if I only eat when I'm hungry.

For all you other low-carb dieters out there-Russel Stover makes some really good low-carb chocolate. Less than 1 carb a piece; they're really good and they taste like REAL chocolate! You can also use sugar substitute in cheesecake or french silk pie to make it low-carb, just watch the crusts.

I hope you feel better, BannaOj (I just now realized it's "Banna" not "Banana").
 
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 
Yeah, I thought she was "BananaOJ" for the longest time.

Banna, are you still having problems from that car wreck you had awhile back, or was your trip to the chiropracter for something else?
 
Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
 
Ahem.... I have my new (new to me, anyhow) Playstation 2 sitting under my desk here at work. Bought with the sole purpose of playing Dance Dance Revolution for exercise! [Big Grin]

Oh, what tangled webs we weave... also Mark wants to play some baseball game he saw at our friend's house, and we could use a DVD player... [Monkeys]
 
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 
Doesn't your boss notice that you're playing Dance Dance revolution instead of working?

[Razz]
 
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
 
I have mild degenerative disc disease in my neck. Going to the chiropractor took up time that I would have used for excercise. I normally have a maintenance adjustment every time I get a bad headache. That keeps the headaches from escalating into migraines.

It turnes out that there were multiple reasons why I actually felt so lousy. I was coming down with my fourth round of tonsilitis in three months.

I've stopped excercising again because of the fever I've been running on and off.

I will let you know firsthand how well an all liquid diet works in taking weight off in two weeks when I get my tonsils removed!

AJ
 
Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
 
Of course not! I wear headphones and tap quietly with my toes while I'm at the computer! [Wink]

Nah, it's just sitting in the box. I won't even be able to take it home until Monday, since a) I'm swamped with work this weekend and don't need a shiny new toy distracting me, and b) I told Mark I wasn't going to buy one, cause I'm broke and owe him money. Money that I'll pay back on Monday! [Smile]
 
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 
You have more self control than I do. I think I'd have that thing at home and out of the box ASAP.

Sorry to hear about the degenerative disc disease Banna. Glad it's mild. Is there a permenant cure for it?
 
Posted by Eruve Nandiriel (Member # 5677) on :
 
(((((BannaOj)))))
 
Posted by Eruve Nandiriel (Member # 5677) on :
 
Yay! I just lost two more pounds! (for a total of 19)

I'm back in weight-loss mode! [Big Grin]

I just need to remember to excercise....
 
Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
 
Yay! Total of 15! [Smile]
 
Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
 
I know you'll all hate me for this, but you'll feel better about yourselves tomorrow if you stay healthy today!

[Wink]

My weight loss has slowed down, I'm at 17 pounds now, but I'm looking much better. And at least it's moving in the right direction! Now, if I can just avoid eating more candy today....

[ October 31, 2003, 09:58 AM: Message edited by: Ayelar ]
 
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
 
Psst. I have not been watching this thread, but I have to cheer.

Just did our company weigh in, two month competition to see he will loose the most. I lost 4lbs in under a month.

That's not great or world shattering. But it is good for me.
 
Posted by Eruve Nandiriel (Member # 5677) on :
 
I just wanted to encourage you guys to keep it up during the hollidays. (with pies, and cookies...yeah right)

I actually gave up my diet a few weeks ago. I got to my goal! [Big Grin] So far I've been keeping it off, too. I need to excersize, but I haven't been because I hurt my knee. I'll be starting soon, though.

Keep up the good work, guys!
 
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
 
:: Takes a deep breath ::

Ok, I'm joining the thread!

I'm not 'big' as such, but I want to lose about 15 pounds (or convert all my flab to muscle.. either way).

I've never dieted, and I'm not going to start - but I am going to try and eat more healthily, drink more water and exercise. (I do *no* exercise no, so any will be an improvement.)

It's quite hard for me to say 'I need to lose weight', because I've always been naturally slim. I was an Australian size 8 (US size 4, according to google) until 2 years ago. (I'm also pretty short).

The I hit my twenties and started slowly but steadily gaining weight. And now I'm not happy with the way my body looks, and more importantly the way it feels.

So... here goes! Wish me luck...
 
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
 
Good luck [Smile] !
 
Posted by Megachirops (Member # 4325) on :
 
Good luck!

[Smile]

I stalled after Halloween this year . . . a whole year of losing weight and I NEEDED some candy!

But at least I did't gain any weight, and I'm getting back on again.

I just love the way my (new) clothes fit now, and I'm excited about the way I will look after I lose another thirty pounds or so.

[Smile]
 
Posted by Eruve Nandiriel (Member # 5677) on :
 
Good luck imogen! [Smile]

I lost total of 20 pounds, and it really shows. But yeah, I need to convert flab to muscle, too.

Heh, it's great when your clothes don't fit anymore! [Big Grin] I have to wear a lot of belts now 'cuz my pants won't stay up. I found the perfect dress, and went to try it on, but it was too big. It was only an 8! They didn't have any smaller ones though. [Frown]
 
Posted by Eruve Nandiriel (Member # 5677) on :
 
*cough* after thanksgiving bump *cough*

I didn't gain weight!

Keep up the good work, guys!
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
I did. [Embarrassed] But I've already lost it and then some, so I'm back on track.

I'm down to a size 36, from a size 44 a little over a year ago!

[Smile]
 
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
Woah! That's awesome!! Rock on! [Wink]

We should also keep track of people's cholesterol and blood pressure....*coughBOBcough*

Keep up the good work! I haven't gained holiday weight yet, but I must lose some in the next few months. I need to be thinner before I start student teaching next year. It would make me feel better.

You are all my inspiration!!!

[ December 16, 2003, 01:54 PM: Message edited by: Narnia ]
 
Posted by Jenny Gardener (Member # 903) on :
 
It makes biological sense to put on weight this time of year. It's COLD! And DARK! You need fats to keep your body warm and to provide energy for your tasks. So fighting to keep the weight off is fighting against Nature. I wonder if it would be more helpful to at least recognize and honor this urge to fatten up for winter. Then, when the sun returns, focus on eating the fresh greens of that season and revelling outdoors in sport activities.

I think everyone should try to be kind to themselves during Dark Times. Not necessarily overindulging, but not beating yourself up about having a cookie, either. And perhaps be a kid, and go play in the snow. Good exercise, burns lots of energy (especially if you DON'T dress up warm), and the kids will love you.
 
Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
 
Heehee, Jenny.... you, my dear, have obviously never been obese! [Smile] Believe me, I certainly don't need to put on any more fat this winter! I've got enough padding already!

And besides, we should be able to control such instincts, dangit! [Big Grin]

I'm down 23 pounds total, after a bumpy Thanksgiving, and I'm having an excellent week. I'm just dying to earn that 25 pound magnet this week! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jenny Gardener (Member # 903) on :
 
You go! I wish we could trade bits of our metabolisms. Then you could burn off extra and I could put on some. And we'd both be perfect!

[Kiss]

Ah, well. I am so encouraged to read about you guys making progress on your goals. It's inspiring. [Hail]
 
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
 
are you going to use it for bench presses, Ayelar? Heh heh. I kind of agree with Jenny that fall to winter is not the best time to work on losing, but if one is already obese (me) I don't think it is necessary to gain. Next Monday I'm going to start throwing open the shutters to get hubby some sunlight. I've been walking, and I think I'm going to start a weight lifting regimen.

I'm also trying to eat more fruits and vegetables. Focus more on what I should be doing and less on what I shouldn't.
 
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
 
So you don't have a weight problem, Jenny? :gets out a feather pillow and puts some tar on the boil:
 
Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
 
Lol, with my old eating habits, Jenny, I imagine I could make short work of even your super-speedy metabolism. [Big Grin]

What continues to amaze (and embarrass) me is how FULL I am eating the amount of food I do know, while I'm "on a diet". From day one I've been perfectly happy, fullness-wise, to eat this much. So what the heck was I doing eating the other two or three thousand calories a day? Whyyy?

And it's really nice, in social situations, to no longer feel like getting the food is some sort of competition, that I don't need to hover near the food tables and eat as much as I can as quickly as I can. Ugh, that must have been so gross to watch. [Frown]
 
Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
 
Heh, pooka, that would be one heck of a magnet, eh? [Big Grin]

Did you know that losing 25 pounds is roughly equivalent to losing 3 gallons of milk? [Embarrassed]
 
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
 
or 25 boxes of butter. I thought of making myself a butter backpack when I did Body for Life and lost 27 pounds a few years back.
 
Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
 
Or 100 sticks of butter! [Eek!]

When I reach my goal, I'll have lost 260 sticks of butter. Maybe I'll make a Velcro suit and wear them around for a little while. [Smile]

[ December 16, 2003, 02:53 PM: Message edited by: Ayelar ]
 
Posted by odouls268 (Member # 2145) on :
 
GO GO GO! HOOYAH! DO IT! DO IT!
YOUVE GOT IT! EASY DAY! NO PROBLEM! DOESNT HURT, IT FEELS GOOD!
IF IT DIDNT HURT, IT WAS TOO EASY!
YOU CAN DO IT! ALL DAY, EVERY DAY!

encouragement. go go go.
[Smile]
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
quote:
:gets out a feather pillow and puts some tar on the boil:
Pooka, you're really funny. I can't even quite tell if you only teasingly serious or halfway serious, but I like it. You're very funny. [Smile]
 
Posted by Jenny Gardener (Member # 903) on :
 
Pooka, mine's the opposite. I'm hypoglycemic. My metabolism runs me, rather than the other way around. I must keep to a strict diet to keep from becoming weak and evil and exhausted. I can never keep warm, because my body burns everything instead of storing it. I worry about my long-term health.

So, tar and feather me if you must. You really do inspire me, because you are working towards important goals, and are not afraid to share the methods you use to reach success. I keep thinking that if I learn from what you do here, I can find ways to reach my own goals, too.
 
Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
 
quote:
I keep thinking that if I learn from what you do here, I can find ways to reach my own goals, too.
I pay a bunch of women to keep an eye on me and give me cheesy little awards for every little accomplishment. [Big Grin] I imagine it would work in any endeavor!
 
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
 
My mom's hypoglycemic. She's feeling so much better now that she got on a low-carb diet.
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
Jenny, are your hands always cold?
 
Posted by Jenny Gardener (Member # 903) on :
 
I'm sitting on them right now, Mack! I'm on a low-carb diet, too. It helps, but it doesn't really solve anything.
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
Maybe that's my problem, then...
 
Posted by Lead (Member # 918) on :
 
Well, just reporting in. The rate at which I'm losing weight has definitely slowed way down finally. In fact, I'm not so much losing weight anymore as I am continuing to tone up, I think. I've only dropped one size in the last couple of months, where this time last year I was dropping one size a month for a while there. There should be a pic or two next week of me in a size 6 dress. [Big Grin]

What's weird, however, is that in the last couple months I have been having the strongest food cravings. Sometimes it's a strong craving for meat or for green veggies. These are understandable, and to some degree I've always experienced them, though they're a lot stronger now than they used to be. I caught myself recently almost literally drooling at the store over the mere thought of some nice lamb chops...haha! What's odder than craving meet and veggies is the nearly obsessive cravings I'm suddenly having for sweets. I NEVER used to crave sweets, and only occasionally had any at all. Crunchy, salty fried foods was my big weakness, never sweets. Now I almost never crave the fried stuff, but I'm almost constantly craving sweets. Of course, what I want to fullfil a sweets craving hasn't really broadened...I'm still very picky about what sweets I like. It pretty much must involve chocolate, and a high quality chocolate at that. Or something with a crumb topping. That pretty much sums up my list of acceptable sweet foods.

And lastly, just this past week, I've been hit with both the obsessive craving for chocolate, and an equally obsessive craving for something I couldn't quite pinpoint at first. I just knew I wanted...something...and that whatever it was most certainly was not in my fridge. Haha! I was at the grocery with a friend last night when I realized, looking at stuff in the store, that I was actually craving fats. Dairy fats. A picture of mashed potatoes looked delicious, but it wasn't the potatoes, it was the thought of the melted butter, that was appealing. Fried potato skins sounded yummy, but only as a delivery method for melted cheese and dollops of sour cream. I ended up getting a quart of the world's best chocolate milk (it's sold in glass bottles, doesn't taste even remotely like chemicals, and is malted...mmmmmmmmmm!), which I drank all of immediately upon getting through my front door. When I was done, I felt all bloated and miserable, and still wanted more!

Okay, so the question to the health-knowledgable folks is, why am I craving all this crap? Why now? Last year I was working in an office where we had dozens and dozens of "gifts" from vendors and clients all over the place all through the holidays. Candies and cookies and chocolates and every imaginable type of junk food. It was everywhere you turned, and I didn't want any of it. This year I'm home, without any temptation surrounding me, and suddenly I'm experiencing the strongest cravings I've ever had. Why? Do I give in to a craving, just a little? Does a strong craving really mean that there's something lacking in my current diet, and that I should probably get a small, reasonable amount of whatever it is I'm craving? Or is this all just in my imagination?

I still fit in the dress though, in spite of craving as much chocolate as I can get my hands on. Hehe!

~~~Lead
 
Posted by Chaeron (Member # 744) on :
 
Here's my weight loss secret. It worked for me over the summer. Fall on your face while on a mountain bike. Be sure to shatter your two front teeth. Then, get them fixed. You will be unable to eat anything solid for a while. The pounds just melt off, even ones you'd rather keep. I went from 140 to a svelt 125 in a matter of days, on a diet of beer and ice cream.
 
Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
 
Um, Lead.... is there any possibility you might be pregnant? [Smile]

Mark and I have decided that, the moment I start wanting to eat pickles, we're getting a pregnancy test. I hate pickles. [Smile]

That, or you're undernourished and your body is demanding protein and dairy fats. What are you eating as you lose weight?
 
Posted by Daedalus (Member # 1698) on :
 
Heh. What the hell was that post of mine on page two about...?

I should whine in here about my body. I lost nearly sixty pounds over the summer doing my Latin America thang -- most of it was discovering I don't need to eat much per day, no more than maybe a spoonful of peanut butter. If that. And that's on a full workload and partying at night. Then, of course, when I get back to the US, there's just so much damn food... And now that I've sprained my ankle, I can't exercise. I'm getting disturbingly soft -- I hesitate to call myself flabby, but if I don't do something I'll get there in weeks.

What's really bizarre is my weight. When I stepped off the plane in August, I weighed 230 lbs., more or less -- and at the time I was practically 0 body fat, and had some serious muscle degeneration from no weight equipment available for two months. Now I'm flabbier (may as well say it), and my upper body's larger than it was in August, yet I'm weighing in at 225. What the hell? 230's an ideal weight for me, given muscle mass -- how can I be fat and underweight at the same time?

Oh. Duh. Now that I write this, it must be the lost muscle I had on my legs. Especially exacerbated due to my sprained ankle. Well, dammit. I need to be able to run within the next couple weeks -- there's no doubt in my mind that I can lose this pinchable flab with a month-long running program, but dammit, I can't run!

Gah.

I could start the Costa Rica diet up again... Though now I'm actually feeling hunger pangs again. I wonder if they're real, or just learned from US schedules.

I'll start swimming this weekend, I guess. Anyone know how much I should swim if I really want a hard workout? In a lap-pool?

Yeah, I could use the tan anyway... I've spent two months indoors, and I'm as white as Americans believe Jesus was...
 
Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
I've been avoid this thread! It depresses the hell out of me. [Frown]

I realize that my insecurities are bumping up there...really bumping up.

I used to be so self-confident, had great self-esteem. I'm so down on this body of mine lately!

Everytime a Victoria Secret or any underwear commercial comes on it pisses me off. I think it's because I'm so down on my body. At least I hope that's why they bother me.

I read an article on Lauren Hutton yesterday. She's 60 and beautiful. I'm 36 and feeling dumpy and old.

Dr. Phil doesn't do a darn thing to motivate me. I'm not sure how he motivates anyone.


:vent...pout...vent...pout:
 
Posted by Lead (Member # 918) on :
 
Ayelar, not a chance in hell. [Smile] That definitely ain't it.

I've maintained a pretty good balance while losing all the weight. I eat a lot of salads...good ones with spinach and green leafy lettuces (I don't eat iceburg at all), eggs, maybe chicken, with oil and vinegar or a bleu cheese dressing. And I've done lots of meats. Basically I tweaked my diet into a modified atkin's type diet. I cut out lots of carbs (mostly in the form of potatoes), but I have a fair amount of whole-grain stuff. And in recent months I've relaxed the No-Potatoes rule just a bit, since I don't need to keep losing weight. But I eat plenty of meat, and I've never made any attempt to cut cheese out of my diet simply because I love it too much.
 
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
 
Ahhh! Help me! The only good food in my dorm is make your own pizza, which I've started doing twice a day! And now that it's cold and my bike is brokedn I don't get any excercise! Ahhh! [Wall Bash]

Hobbes [Smile]
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
*pat pat* Hobbes

Lead, it may simply be a reaction to how long it's been since you had some of this stuff. I kow last year I sailed through Halloween, Thanksgiving, and Christmas, resisting temptation and losing weight at a time when most people gain it. This year it's been much harder; while I have changed my eating habits and don't have cravings much in general, two years of depriving myself of these special treats is a bit much.

Aside from the holiday thing, I have occasionally over the last year gotten weird cravings that only last until I satisfy them once. (Several times it's been alcohol!) And whether it's physical or psychological, I think it's just that I've gone a very long time without having any of certain types of foods I used to like a lot, because they're so fattening, and once in a long while I need to indulge again. So every two or three months I find myself craving a steak; I have a steak and it's done. Monday night I was desperately craving Dunkin' Donuts. I didn't even like Dunkin' Donuts that much when I was fat(ter)! I always found them too yeasty and nauseating. But, whatever, I had a couple of donuts and now I'm fine.

For me, the whole thing that's made the difference this past year was moderation. I think people often fail because they try something too strict and they fall off the wagon, and I think people often fail because they tell themselves they're dieting in moderation but they fool themselves and really eat as much as they ever did. I've been keeping very close track of what I eat so I don't fool myself, but I've been pretty forgiving with myself when it comes to infrequent big indulgences (and frequent little indulgences!)

So, to make a long story short, I would not be too worried if I were you, as long as once you have satisfied your craving it's gone.
 
Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
 
I never used to like Pop Tarts, but in the four months I've been on this program, I've twice had an irresistible urge to eat Pop Tarts. It happens.
 
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
 
Eddie, It depends on how you swim. You should start out gradually, and I would try to swim at least 1000 yards or 800 meters. If you can do 1500 it would be even better.

Try to swim 200-300 yards as a warm up, slowly letting your muscles get used to the motion. Then do harder 100 yard sets. You could start out slow and then build speed to the end of the 100 so at the end you are going all out, or you could sprint the middle 50 yards or alternate for that matter. If you need a break in the middle, throw in maybe 150-200 yards of kicking with a kick board to strengthen that ankle. Then do another group of harder 100s and warm down with another 200 yards.

One of the greatest stomach strengthening excercise there is was called "gutbusters" by my swim coaches. You sit in the water, holding a kickboard sideways with your arms to keep you afloat. You then kick while holding that position. Since you are going backwards and looking at your feet you should try to kick hard enough to make the water "boil" but not splash. All while holding that sitting position. You will be surprised how quickly your stomach muscles start complaining but it is extremely good for them!

AJ

(also while swimming will strengthen that ankle I'd consider wearing a neoprene ankle brace at first to keep from overdoing)

[ December 18, 2003, 03:28 PM: Message edited by: BannaOj ]
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
I hate swimming. *kicks swimming*

I'm not sure where exactly my weight loss is. I refuse to get on a scale--the numbers are always depressing. [Roll Eyes]

I think I'm neary to an 8...which would explain the baggy bum and hitching up of all my pants, now. *sigh* I really can't afford to keep buying pants!

Of course, my shirt size is basically the same--broad shoulders and long torso. [Wink] But everything is nearly flat in my abdominal area.

But I want to tone. I'm a muscle freak or something. I really like muscle definition. Not BIG ones...definition. The Williams sisters are my gods. [Smile] But I'll really have to work my ass off to get the kind of tone I want. I'd REALLY like a six-pack, but I don't think it's in my genes. My shoulders are really well defined (as jexx will tell you, over and over) and my arms are getting there. Apparently I have nice legs. [Roll Eyes]

Sometimes I wonder if I'm developing some sort of disorder about all this stuff. Ela scolded me last night about working on calorie programs for losing the layer of fat that covers the muscles--so you GET that definition. But how else? Losing weight is a math game. Every pound is 3,500 calories. So, if you cut back 3,500 calories per week (for 1 lb per week loss) from the caloric intake needed to maintain your week, you can lose a pound a week.

Input?
 
Posted by Theca (Member # 1629) on :
 
As I've mentioned before, without knowing your weight, BMI, or % body fat you don't even know if you need to lose any fat. Women are supposed to have some body fat, after all. Oh, and since you are working on getting your workouts more frequently and snowboarding lessons and all, the increased calories burned is equivalent to cutting back anyhow.
 
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
quote:
Women are supposed to have some body fat, after all.
Yes, I told her that, too. My opinion, Jamie, is with the amount you work out, you will get the muscle definition without counting calories and restricting to "no more than" a certain number of calories. I think that because when I worked out a lot, I had muscle definition, and I didn't make myself crazy about how many calories I was eating, I just tried to eat smart (cutting back sugar and fat).

In your case, with your meds and all, I would be more concerned with making sure you get enough calories so that you don't lose too much weight.

**Ela**
 
Posted by bn (Member # 5526) on :
 
I've lost 26kg in the last 6 months... god knows what that is in pounds... I'll just go check.

Ok, 57.2 pounds in 6 months.
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
FWIW mack, what you described is almost precisely what I'm doing (instead of cutting back 3500 per week, I'm cutting back 900 per day, but being a guy, I can do that).

I recall reading somewhere that a woman whould not have under 1100 calories a day or so.

As far as "making myself crazy," it's really very easy. It's the only effective way I've ever found to lose weight and keep it off.

For me, of course. Different people respond to different things.
 
Posted by Lead (Member # 918) on :
 
Icarus, most cravings I experience do go away once I've given into them (in moderation, of course). The chocolate craving, however, is not going away. I'm not sure what it is I need in order to satisfy it, and it's been hitting me for like the last 3 months now, getting progressively stronger. [Eek!]

~~~Lead
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
*makes note to send jen (who can't spell her own name correctly [Wink] ) some chocolate*

[Razz]
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Wow. You're screwed.

[Wink]

You know, I don't call them calories . . . I call them "guilt points." As in, is the enjoyment I will get out of this chocolate bar worth the guilt I will feel later, and is it worth being able to eat less later or going over and feeling really guilty?

[Smile]
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
About two months ago I quit caring. I just was at such a low supply of emotional energy I didn't think I had any to spare on what I weighed. To hell with it. I weigh what I weigh and I'm not going to keep judging myself for what I eat and don't eat and what exercise I do or don't do.

In two months I've lost about 20 pounds according to my doctor. I don't weigh myself, so I can't be certain. I know my clothes don't fit anymore, I had to wear a belt with jeans that two months ago when I got them fit snug.

*shrug* Can't explain it. I haven't been exercising, though I'm starting to get into a routine of walking now. I don't think I've really changed my eating habits all that much. It's weird. But I'm not going to complain.
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
*cough*meds*cough*

Same meds that explain my saggy bum jeans, Adrian. [Smile]
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
I've got a pair of those too, now.

Yeah, I know the meds I'm taking have weight loss as a side effect, it still seems as if there should have been some....well...EFFORT on my part to lose the weight. I mean, I know my appetite decreased but I still eat dinner with the family, grab lunch when I'm out, that kind of stuff.

I guess I just don't eat in the same quantity I used to. Or as often.
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
Eating? What?
 
Posted by Jenny Gardener (Member # 903) on :
 
One thing I know about food cravings or revulsions - pay attention to them! A lot of times, you get them because your body is deficient in something. There are even people who crave and eat dirt because their bodies are not getting or processing minerals properly.

This doesn't mean you have to eat what you crave, but you may want to check with your doctor to see what nutrients you may be missing. I know that I often crave salts and fats, and I'm healthier when I follow those cravings. Also, I avoid sugars, and have done so since I was a child. Turns out, too much sugar can really wipe me out.

So, listen to your body, and try to figure out what it's telling you with these cravings. If you crave fruits and veggies, by all means eat them! You are probably low on B and C vitamins. If you crave meat and dairy, you may not be getting enough protein, Vitamin D, or Vitamin B12. I'm no expert, so check with a nutritionist or Doctor.
 
Posted by Frisco (Member # 3765) on :
 
I think some cravings are your body's way of telling you you need certain nutrients...but there are also mental cravings.

There's no way in hell that my body needs 10 cherry frosted pop-tarts a day. [Smile]
 
Posted by Lead (Member # 918) on :
 
Okeydokey, here's two new pics from last weekend.

[Big Grin]

~~~Lead
 
Posted by Jenny Gardener (Member # 903) on :
 
Ugh, Frisco, how can you crave that?

Perhaps you need more, um, artificial ingredients in your diet? More likely, there is an addictive food additive in the Tarts. Like Nicotine in cigarettes. The makers just want to keep selling Pop-Tarts. Perhaps you should try more healthful alternatives, such as Mom's Homemade Cherry Pie. Wean yourself away from the crap.

And practice saying, "No thank you, Mom, one piece is enough."
 
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
 
I bought Pop Tarts for my old dorm room once, thinking they could help me when I really really needed chocolate.

Ugh, I got sick of them in two days. Fat free pudding for me. Then again, I'm also really not sure if I should try to lose weight or not. But fat free pudding for chocolate cravings is great.

And Lead, you look great!
 
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
 
Are we far enough away from New Years to bring this thread out again? I don't know if any of you know the answer to this, but I've been walking and I know there are a lot of benefits (apart from weight loss, which isn't happening). For one thing, I'm not cold blooded anymore.

But I worry that walking in bitter cold (less than 20 degrees F) is having some kind of antagonistic effect. You know how they say swimming isn't as good because your body gets chilled. Meh. Just wondered if anyone knew anything about that.

Lead, are you still having craving problems?
 
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
 
argh.. I've posted this before and I guess I'm posting it again.

Need... to... start... excercising...

I haven't been getting sick like I was when my tonsils came out. But having warts removed from the bottom of your foot isn't condusive to being on a eliptical either.

Steve and I have been on a organizing and getting rid of stuff new yearsish kick. We bagged 5 bags of clothes from our closet for goodwill. Most of it was stuff we haven't worn in years, or excessive numbers of reptitive freebie t-shirts from college. Now our closets and dresser drawers are all at least half empty, some completely. This means that we can stop using the living room, where I fold wash, as our closet and can actually begin putting the clothes that we wear in our drawers.

It was discouraging though seeing what I couldn't wear any more that I knew I could fit into when I was 18. I'm trying to use that as motivation to start working out regularly. I pitched most of that sort of stuff because it is outdated, but my goal is to lose weight so I can go shopping and buy new clothes!

AJ
 
Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
 
After an up-and-down holiday season, I finally reached 25 pounds lost!

It took all I had to haul that magnet home, believe me!

[Wink]
 
Posted by lcarus (Member # 4395) on :
 
Wow Lead! [Big Grin] [Eek!] [Big Grin]

I so need to get some pictures of myself taken and up, so I can show off!

I'm back on the wagon after my holiday lapses. Cor's hospital stay and my return to work have both made it easier to control my eating.
 
Posted by Lead (Member # 918) on :
 
Icarus, pH, thanks! [Smile]

pooka, the cravings are *mostly* clearing up, finally, though I'm still having some for the chocolate. Still not sure why. I'm trying my best to ignoooooore them. hehe!

~~~Lead
 
Posted by Eruve Nandiriel (Member # 5677) on :
 
Woot! I've been good about excercising lately, and I feel great!

Does anyone know any good hip excercises? I have one hip with a little more bulge on it than the other, and it's driving me crazy! I've been doing side-bends, but it doesn't seem to be working. Any ideas?
 
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
 
Eruve, sorry I never saw this. What is the nature of the bulge? Just fat or is it structural?

I've completed my first week of no sugar or chocolate (I gave it up the day after Easter.) I haven't been totally perfect- I found myself at a BBQ Friday and there wasn't anything to drink but soda, so I just had a half cup or so. The important thing is I didn't say "Whoa, now I'm off the wagon, I might as well have a s'more". The toughest part is remembering not to pop stuff in my mouth as I'm clearing the table. Maybe I need to quit thinking it's okay to eat the kid's leftovers [Razz]
 
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
 
I bought Dr Phil's weight loss book. I love it! I'm a Dr Phil junkie. (Now there's a confession...)

So, now it's just wait and see how it goes...
 
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
 
I never posted on this thread. I think my chief problem is not that I'm overweight, it's that I can't see the good in my body.
 
Posted by Beca (Member # 4340) on :
 
[Smile]

For the sake of sharing happiness, I thought I'd say that I'm down to 130 lbs. When I last posted in this thread (early October) I weighed 143 lbs. My starting weight was 170. So now I've lost a total of 40 lbs. Only 5 more to lose until I reach my goal!

Granted, I don't expect to get there for another 3 or 4 months. But as it's only 5 lbs, I'm not in all that much of a hurry.

My next rank test in martial arts is in a couple weeks - moving is much easier now.

The bad news is, of course, that half my office pants are getting *very* baggy.

And the weird part is that people have started lifting me. Because they CAN. Dunno how I feel about that yet.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Beca,
Way to go!!!

Ryuko,
I am so sorry you feel that way. Do you exercise or play sports? Dance? Sometimes, it is easier to love your body when it does something fun.
 
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
 
I weighed myself today (still not having most sugar, though my sister sent me some marzipan from spain last week. I rationalized that it said "at least 50% almonds" so went ahead and had it in small batches. It made my stomach distress point on my arm hurt.

But the good news is I've lost about 12 pounds from where I think I started. I don't have a scale at home, so I had to go downtown with my husband to his office. He has like a doctor's scale.
 
Posted by Lara (Member # 132) on :
 
Congrats, pooka. Good Joarghrb!
 
Posted by Eruve Nandiriel (Member # 5677) on :
 
pooka, it was just flab.
I've lost more weight, and I think it's even now.
[Smile]
 
Posted by Nick (Member # 4311) on :
 
Well the good news for me is, I went from 205 to 165. [Smile] I don't get to each much though. [Frown]
 
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
Well, I lost some weight earlier in the year, but seem to have gained it back and then some.
[Frown]

In fact, yesterday, I tried to put my shorts on to go to a ballgame and they wouldn't close - not even close - couldn't even force them closed. [Cry]

I am desperate. I am NOT going out and getting a whole new wardrobe. [Frown]

I am desperate enough to be thinking of trying Slimfast, or something like that. Even though I have considered Slimfast in the past, and was always dissuaded after reading the ingredients label. [Roll Eyes]

I had one of the shakes yesterday, and I had mealbars for breakfast and lunch today, but I doubt I can keep that up. They are too sweet and cloying. I don't have that much of a sweet tooth. And I don't feel like I have "eaten" a meal. Nor do they give me the energy I need to exercise - but maybe that is just getting over my cold, still having a residual cough, and lack of sleep, I can't really tell.

I am drinking a ton of liquid, mostly water.

This is so depressing. [Frown]
 
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
 
I actually really like nutrigrain bars. They fill me up enough that I don't feel hungry if I have 1/2 liter of water too. And they are only 140ish calories each. So you can eat 2 and only be up to 300 calories on the day. And that in conjunction with a morning multivitamin is enough to give my body a kickstart. I have a large salad for lunch, and am conservative on the dressing, and then have a large dinner. I've been losing weight slowly but steadily for the last month.

AJ
 
Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
 
Ela, I've been there. You might look into Weight Watchers. It's simple, it's healthy, and it's something you can do for a long time. Not good for fast weight loss, the most you're supposed to lose after the first few weeks is 2 pounds a week. But it adds up, and it's the "right" way to do it if you want it to stay off.

In related news, I just got back from my first aerobics class! I was totally clumsy next to all of the coordinated people who have been doing it forever... but we're on the home stretch for the wedding, and I'm only halfway to goal! [Embarrassed]
 
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
 
I'm still being pretty good, though my sister in law made some bars that she said were "really healthy". I'm such a sucker. So I have had some chocolate. But I think an important element of success is not giving in to the black and white thinking that says "I might as well go whole hog" if I make a little mistake.

Nick: congrats

Eruve: Whew!
 
Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
 
"If you spill a little milk on the floor, do you say, 'Well, so much for that!' and empty the rest of the gallon, too?"
 
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
 
I have to lose -10 to -20 pounds. You see, I'm a little underweight. [Frown]

Life sure is tough....
 
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
 
You can have the twenty I gained on the Patch...*stabs OrthoEvra with a jagged, pointy stick*
 
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
Nutrigrain bars, eh, AJ? Sounds interesting.

Actually, though, if I am doing that, I think I'd rather just go back to my daily oatmeal.

Those Slimfast bars were awful. I guess they are loaded with fiber to make you feel full, but all they did was make me feel bloated and unsatisfied, and gave me a stomachache. Maybe the shakes are better, but I think I can safely say that the Slimfast experiment is over.

Ayelar, I am familiar with Weight Watchers, as my mom has been on it a few times over the years. I have had a few friends on it, too. My impression has always been that it is not particularly well-adapted to the type of mostly vegetarian diet that I eat. I have looked at my mom's materials from WW each time she has been on it, and that still seems to be true.

I guess, for the moment, I will go with my usual "diet" - trying to eat sensibly, cutting out snacks, fats, and sugars, and controlling my portion size. Plus some daily exercise. (My daughter and I went walking last night - she is a great walking partner, then I did my exercises on a mat in the living room.)

Maybe I need Icky's calorie counting plan, after all. Hey, Icky, you there? [Wink]
 
Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
 
quote:
trying to eat sensibly, cutting out snacks, fats, and sugars, and controlling my portion size. Plus some daily exercise.
That's exactly what the current WW plan is. [Smile] I know that, in the past, they had a weird focus on liver and other kinds of meat-based protein, but now it's wide open for what you can eat, as long as you make healthy choices most of the time, control your portions, and count calories (using their Points system). I'm not vegetarian, but I don't eat much meat with Mark around, and I have no problem finding the Points for tofu and seitan and counting them along with everything else. [Smile] The program's huge focus on getting your fruits and vegetables makes a vegetarian diet pretty compatible, I think.
 
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
 
Ela, I'm not sure if the Nutrigrain bars are kosher or not. (I'm looking at a bar right now and I can't find the circle K or U but there are two serial numbers that begin with K that look suspicious.) Honestly they aren't the greatest tasting things in the world, but they are palatable, and fill me up. With oatmeal, I can't eat it plain, I have to add stuff to make it taste decent and that is where the extra calories come in.

And do you think some of wieight gain might be a metabolism change in reaction to NOT being under stress anymore at that awful job? Yet at the same time I would imagine that you may not being as active as when you were running around in a hospital ward working. Proabably you were eating more to keep your energy up then, and you just need to start decreasing portion sizes everywhere slightly.

Just ideas...

AJ
 
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
 
Oh yes, and I think I've honestly lost about 4-5 pounds in the last month. So it isn't coming off as quickly as if I'd made more lifestyle changes, but it is coming a bit at a time.

I still need to get my butt in gear and start biking to work. Problem is that I have to get up earlier to do it and I *hate* getting up in the mornings with an unrivaled passion.

AJ
 
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
 
Hey, if any of you want, I could tell you my diet. [Wink] I doubt most of you would stick to it, though. Still, tt's quite effective.
 
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
 
< -- needs to lose a lot more. [Cry]
 
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
 
Something I never would've thought to do before gaining 20 b/c pounds...actually writing down what I eat. It makes me think a bit more before I start having random late night snacks...because once that starts, before I know it I've finished off a bag of potato chips, four cookies, and a pint of ice cream.
 
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
quote:
And do you think some of wieight gain might be a metabolism change in reaction to NOT being under stress anymore at that awful job? Yet at the same time I would imagine that you may not being as active as when you were running around in a hospital ward working. Proabably you were eating more to keep your energy up then, and you just need to start decreasing portion sizes everywhere slightly.
Yeah, I definitely think that all of the things you mentioned are factors. Running around all day at work, running up and down stairs at work, missing meals and breaks due to too much work - and then quitting right before Passover and enjoying that Passover food a little too much. [Wink] That's when I notice my weight kept up, but I really didn't realize how many inches I had gained on my body till I tried those shorts on Sunday.
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
quote:
Ela, I'm not sure if the Nutrigrain bars are kosher or not.
They are. Kellogg's doesn't like to put the O-U on their products (I don't remember why), but they are supervised by them.
 
Posted by Damien (Member # 5611) on :
 
Haven't read the thread (no need!), but skimmed this last page, just to see if anyone has posted about this, yet... [Evil]

DDR-Workout.

Any takers?
 
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
 
*ack*

I actually bit the bullet and weighed myself and measured myself yesterday.

I'm not too heavy (61kg = 135 pounds ) but it's ALL FAT!!!! I'm about two sizes above where I feel most comfortable, and on a fairly short (5' 3") and slight frame, that's a lot.

My measurements prove this. [Frown]

I even have above a .8 ratio waist to hips and an above 80cm waist - so increased risk of heart disease. [Frown] and [Cry]

The good news is I exercised yesterday *and* the day before that. Now to just keep it up...

Edit: all better now.

[ May 26, 2004, 10:13 PM: Message edited by: imogen ]
 
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
6'3" is fairly short? Is this some weird Australian form of measurment? Or are you all just really tall down there?
 
Posted by Beca (Member # 4340) on :
 
I think imogen probably meant 5'3".
 
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
 
[Blushing]

Yes, 5' 3" it is.

Either that or I'm stretched from being upside down all the time...

Silly non-metric system [Razz]
 
Posted by Erick the Great (Member # 6527) on :
 
I lost about 65 pounds. I am 5 feet 11 inches. I used to weigh 220 pounds. After lots of gold old fashioned diet and exercise I got down to 155.
 
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
 
Good job Erick. By old fashioned do you mean just count calories or what?
 
Posted by Nick (Member # 4311) on :
 
Wow Erick. 155 pounds at 5'11" is pretty thin. [Smile] That's cool. I wish I only weighed that much, but not exactly the "skinny body type."
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
I have given up. Again. I find that when I get to the panic stage, I just eat more, so i have learned to back off and just let it be, and try to gte in shape.
 
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
 
I don't know if I've actually lost weight, but this is my 64th day of eating very little sugar. Though last night I dreamed that I went down the slippery slope of a little kids cereal, and then some cookie dough, and finally just saying "chuck it". I felt very unnerved about it for a while but there's nothing like hatrack to loosen you up. Next thing you know, hatrack will be available with a prescription in California.
 
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
 
Well I biked to work again today. It may rain but Steve said he would pick me up. And if I stopped riding every time the forecast said "possible showers" like I did last week, I realized I'll never ride. And I have errands on some days so I can't ride. But I got a second pair of biking shorts, and rear panniers so that I don't have to wear a backpack which keeps me cooler. And a camelbak knock off so I stay hydrated.

Guess when it starts getting colder I'm going to have to buy winter leggings like the football players wear.

AJ
 
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
 
I'm getting back on the exercise wagon too. My walking buddy tried going with her husband instead for a while, but now we've decided to have her run and me rollerblade. I'm kind of logey in the morning, so me walking was not intense enough for her.
 
Posted by NdRa (Member # 2295) on :
 
Just want to let you all know, maintaining your weight once you've lost it seems almost harder than trying to lose it in the first place. You are so happy with how you look after you've lost it that it's easy to start slacking off without consciencely realizing the impact it'll make later. Anyway, about 4 years ago, I had lost 75 pounds. Got on the scale this morning, and looks like I've gained 20 of those pounds back. I gotta get my butt in gear!!!
 
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
NdRa, good to keep in mind. 75! Wow, that's impressive!

I have been trying to exercise 6 days a week, and doing a pretty good job of it most of the time. I am also trying to eat healthier in general and less.

I can almost "feel" my body being in a state of shedding the weight, but the process is very slow despite all the effort I am putting in. I wish it would happen faster.

I do feel strong and healthy though, which ain't bad all on its own!
 
Posted by porcelain girl (Member # 1080) on :
 
well i still haven't got rid of any of those eight pounds that ambushed me a couple weeks ago.

i am moving this weekend and have a month of absolute hermitude planned.

sandy, emily and i are going to be walking to the beach from her house a couple mornings every week, you should join us for a healthy waterfront frolic [Smile]

i feel comfortable around you, you may socialize with the hermit [Smile]

p.s. in case you haven't met her, sandy is blazing hot no matter how much she thinks she needs to work out.

(edited for really annoying punctuation error.)

[ June 14, 2004, 04:03 PM: Message edited by: porcelain girl ]
 
Posted by NdRa (Member # 2295) on :
 
[Roll Eyes] And this is coming from sizzling-so-hot-you-could-fry-eggs-on-her-ass Sara.

I'm down to walk with you guys whenever. Just give me a holler when you are ready to go for that beachfront walk. I'm so sedentry right now, it's not even funny. I really REALLY hate the gym and need to find someone that likes to do something interesting and active. Yay for Emily and Sara!
 
Posted by porcelain girl (Member # 1080) on :
 
i refuse to join a gym once i move (plus i am still paying for a membership up here) but once i find a decent job i am planning on taking a few classes. i'll probably start with ballet and african, as well as kungfu and aikido.

and i am up for going to a few yoga classs with you, especially if you want my semi-experienced critique.

i plan on going to the beach to exercise weekly, and then i am just going to do free weights and other such non gym activities at home.
i think after a month i should be up for public partying again [Smile]
 
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
I'll put in a plug for Aikido. My husband has done (an taught some) Aikido for the last 7 years. I did some myself, though not nearly as much. I highly recommend it. It is a graceful, gentle, yet very effective martial art.
 
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
 
Still not eating desserts. Have been rollerblading for several weeks and the thighs are feeling less jiggly. But haven't weighed myself in some time.
 
Posted by Kasie H (Member # 2120) on :
 
Aaaaah!!

How do British people stay so thin?? There is *so much* rich food in England, it's unbelievable. I *never* had a problem with my weight before, and all of a sudden I've gained like 7-10 pounds and I'm going to end up having to buy all new pants if I don't do something.

*sigh*

At least I'm going home soon-ish, that should make it easier.
 
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 
Over the winter, I put on about 20 lbs that have stubbornly refused to come off, regardless of how much exercise I did. I've been eating healthy, relatively low fat foods for the better part of a decade now (with the occasional pizza or coconut based curry thrown in every now and then--moderation in all things, right?), so I knew that the quality of the food I was taking in wasn't a problem. It was quantity. In my recent move, I didn't have time to snack much, and was pretty much constantly carrying boxes up and down stairs for a solid week and a half. The exercise probably wasn't much more intense than what I'd been doing at the gym, so the only real difference was that I was eating much less--and the weight just started melting off. Now I'm done with the moving, but I'm consciously maintaining the eating pattern that I had during the move. Plus, I'm making a point of eating exactly half of what I usually used to eat at any given meal, and then allowing myself to have the other half if I find that I'm ravenous in an hour or so. Generally, though, I've been fine, and have been having the second half of whatever it was for my next meal. I haven't had time to get back to the gym and weigh myself, but I can see a huge difference.

Oh, and my clothes have become a little bit too loose, but I'm not complaining.

[ July 13, 2004, 04:01 PM: Message edited by: Noemon ]
 
Posted by Kasie H (Member # 2120) on :
 
I haven't heard anyone here really mention the South Beach Diet...has anyone ever tried it?
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
The South Beach Diet has been called "Atkins-Lite" as it follows similar ideas, but is not quite as extreme as Atkins.

From what I've heard, it's gotten good reviews but I can't speak to it personally.

Just don't fall into the dieting trap.

-Trevor

Edit: For clarity

[ August 04, 2004, 12:04 PM: Message edited by: TMedina ]
 
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
 
I there a Weight-Gain Encouragement thread? I figure that when I start exercising regularly and losing fat, I'll be gaining muscle and will weigh more. Can I still come to this thread?
 
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 
Never tried it. My parents are on it though, I think. My father has lost all kinds of weight, but my mother hasn't lost anything at all.

My whole "eat half" plan is continuing to work well. I've lost 14.5 of the 20 lbs I'm aiming to loose.
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Sure.

The first thing people have to do is lock their scale up for the first two months of any new exercise program.

For the exact reason PSI mentioned - when you put on muscle, you weigh more. But once you start losing fat, you'll look thinner.

But women have such an ingrained terror of the scales and high numbers on those scales, it's often counter-productive.

It's difficult to accept that weighing more in the short term is actually a good thing. For some reason, that's a hard sell to women. [Big Grin]

-Trevor
 
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
 
Part of the reason it's a hard sell is because many women are larger in the bottom than in the top. In general, the best fat burning exercises are the ones that use your butt and thigh mucsles. The problem with this is that it may make a man look thinner as he gains muscle, but it can often do the opposite for a woman, because it builds up the butt and thigh muscles, making them look even bulkier than before.

Women who gain weight in their butt and thighs would benefit more from cycling, which tones the muscles overall, instead of bulking them up.
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
It depends on the exercises you do and how you do them.

Cardio is best for overall fat burning, but resistance exercises (weights) offers several benefits.

  1. Prolonged periods of metabolism
    1. Cardio burns fat while exercising. Rebuilding muscle burns fat for hours after the initial exercise
    2. This means you can enhance weight loss from cardio by using weights
  2. You do not look like a female body builder by accident. It takes hard work to bulk up - simple toning exercises will not make you look like the Hulk.
Developing muscle tone helps promote an overall healthier body, including helping prevent or reduce the impact of medical conditions later in life.

-Trevor

P.S. Cool - made the outline thing work. [Big Grin]

Edit: High reps, low weight if you want bulk. High-ish weight, low reps if you want strength.

[ August 04, 2004, 01:01 PM: Message edited by: TMedina ]
 
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
 
I'm aware of the benefits offered by weight training, and I do it myself. But for a woman who's afraid of looking "bulky" I feel like it's better to focus your weight training on the upper part of the body (back, shoulders, abs, etc) and skip it all together on the lower body. Cycling at 90-120 reps with little to no resistance for an hour will do plenty to give you strength in your legs without making your thighs look bigger.

Trust me, dude. As a woman who only gains weight in the thighs, squats make you look worse, not better.

[ August 04, 2004, 12:55 PM: Message edited by: PSI Teleport ]
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Fair enough - as I'm not a woman, I can't claim to empathize.

Aside - while I was in the Y's weight room, I was chatting with a girl doing assisted squats.

She was obsessing over her thighs and legs - which, to me, looked just about perfect.

-Trevor
 
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
 
South Beach is like the new Atkins (or vice versa). That is, it includes many non-starchy vegetables.

The thing about diets is almost all of them incorporate some kind of a cheat/payoff. So a diet that says "Be really strict for a short time and things will get better" is offering a payoff. Body for life and Carb Addicts were probably the worst in saying "be good all week (or all day) and then you can have one binge.

My plan is more avoiding the sugars and fried foods, and trying to up the veggies. Though I'm struggling with the veggies. I haven't weighed myself in a while, though I did lose 4 inches off my waist. Little increments elsewhere, but I was really impressed with the waist.
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
I've been told I have nice legs.

I don't agree. But that's me.

Cardio is the best way to go to get rid fat in combination with weight training. It's possible to do high rep/low weight for tone...but doesn't tend to work as well. *shrug*

Every pound of muscle is another 50 calories burned every day just resting. Weight training creates a metabolic "after-burn" that continues for a few hours post-workout.

I can't bear to look at scales. I weigh more than I look and whenever I look at a scale, I get horribly embarassed and discouraged. I also hate pictures and mirrors.
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Like I said, hide the scales and if at all possible, stop worrying about it.

In a month or so, dig out the scale and look, although I think you'll notice a difference in the way your clothes fit before then.

-Trevor
 
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
 
Aw, come on mack, I would sell my soul for a body like yours. Of course, I know there are plenty of folks fatter than me who would make the same deal to be where I am. I don't remember ever feeling like I was thin enough, even when I was 14. Okay, that's not quite true. I got so sick in 7th grade I could even swallow my own saliva, and I accidentally put on my sister's jeans. I should have been frightened, but I was psyched. I guess that is my weight demon, that my older sister was always smaller than me.
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
Yeah, I go by clothing fit. I lost a ton of weight a couple years ago...I think. I went from a bustin' out 14 to a comfortable 8-10.

But the scale...*twitch*

I've had nurses triple check in disbelief.
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
lol, my little sister has always been smaller than me, but we have entirely different body types. However, as I continue to be active and she gets more sedentary, we're reversing.

Which reminds me, I need a haircut. I should call her.
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
*swats Mac*

Stop. Looking. At. The. Damned. Scale.

-Trevor
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
No. *stab*
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
I swear to whatever God is listening, I will find out where you live and steal that instrument of the Devil you have lurking in your house.

I promise you - nobody will know how much you weigh unless you tell them. And if memory serves, a size 10 is pretty skinny.

-Trevor
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
I actually don't own a scale. It's at the gym. And the doctor's office. [Wink]
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Well, ok. I can live with that.

I had visions of you climbing on the scale in the bathroom and twitching over your weight.

Weight can be a good guiding factor, but it is by no means the sole issue at stake.

And it makes me nuts when women fixate on this number as being good or bad without considering the implications of healthy and unhealthy.

Sorry, will stop ranting.

-Trevor
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
No, I completely understand where you're coming from. It's just a visceral reaction for me when I get the number read to me and the Look that follows.
 
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
 
I joined the gym.

And, more impressively, I'm going. I'm actually suprising myself. It's quite good - I can sit on the bike with my 'fatburner' program and watch daytime tv with no guilt. [Smile]

And I do weights - but I do squats, as I'm one of those people with slim hips and all my fat on my stomach. I figure bigger thighs might even it up some.

Trevor, I do know what you mean about women who are paranoid about bulking up - when I went for my fitness assessment, the trainers kept 'assuring' me I wouldn't bulk up,just gain some muscle and tone up. I told them given my current body fat percentage (way too high to be healthy) I would be amazed if I bulked up. I think you need muscle to start with to do that. [Smile]
 
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
 
Is there any good place that will tell you if you're overwieght? By good I mean reliable and takes into account at least weight, height and frame size.

Hobbes [Smile]
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Imogen - I've found a fair number of women have this paranoid fear they'll end up looking like this.

Trust me, building any kind of bulk takes a lot of effort - it doesn't happen by accident.

-Trevor
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Sorry Hobbes - I'd recommend a body-fat index.

They take these calipers and pinch three measurements from three locations on your body.

I finally bit the bullet and went in for mine - and after that, I surrendered and started using the treadmill. [Big Grin]

-Trevor
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Body fat calculator

-Trevor
 
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
 
I've told this story before but it's a good one for this thread since I'm still so angry about it.

I worked my butt off for three or four weeks doing strength training and a bit of cardio. (I did squats and lunges at first but that's how I found out I have arthritis in my knees, so I can't do them anymore which is fine, after finding out about the body shape thing. I started doing tons of cycling to strengthen the muscles around my knees...doctor approved.) My weight never changed the whole time, but that didn't really worry me, since I know that you gain weight first. I was a little disappointed that I wasn't GAINING weight and wondered if the program was working. I hadn't noticed any difference in how my clothes fit, either, but then I was starting from a relatively tall and thin (I started to say lean but that suggests that I actually had muscle, which I didn't) frame in the first place.

At any rate, I was called in for Jury Duty and sat there for a full week. No exercising happened that whole time because I was gone like ten hours a day and totally beat when I got home. At the end of the week I happened to weigh myself...I had lost 8 or more pounds just sitting on that jury! That's when I realized that I had been getting rid of fat and gaining muscle at such a rate that my weight stayed the same, and I totally didn't even notice it. I must have lost all that muscle tone sitting like a log that week. I was heartbroken and I'm still trying to convince myself to start exercising again.

And since you alluded to it, Trevor ( [Smile] ), I will say, I'm not obsessed about how I look and don't want to be perfect. I get compliments about my body and I believe that it's true...I think I have a pretty healthy body image. (Of course it wasn't always like that...) But what's important is that, while I may look svelte on the outside, I realize that I have no muscle tone at all, and I'm still recovering from having my kids. And YAY my legs look great when I'm wearing pants, big deal. But I'm the only one that knows (aside from my husband) about the stupid cellulite that they can't see.

So my major goal is to get into shape, not lose weight. I want to be strong enough to lift my kids without my knees popping. And I want to look strong all over instead of loose and squishy. I want to look good in the mirror, and who cares what other people think? They all think I look fine, because I do, with my clothes on.

Just so you know. [Smile]
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
PSI - a little ego is not a bad thing. Personal fitness is, at the heart of it, a vain exercise. [Big Grin]

But I've watched people take it to an unreasonable extreme.

And people refuse to engage even in minimal weight training because they were afraid of the results.

-Trevor

Edit: Between my weight and the years of martial arts practice, my knees pop and will probably never stop.

[ August 06, 2004, 09:17 AM: Message edited by: TMedina ]
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
That's the most discouraging part of it for me - you can spend a month working out intensely, and if you stop at all, you lose it all. Not only that, but the muscle turns to fat half the time and you start even farther back. It feels so pointless - nothing you work on or create stays, it's boring at the time, and during the summer and winter it's really expensive because it's too hot to run outside in the summer and the it's dark at 6:00 in the winter and isn't safe. All for what? Well, it turns out the consequences are even worse if you don't do it. What kind of sick situation is this?
 
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
 
I don't think that the muscle technically turns to fat. I think what happens is that the person was going about it the wrong way in the first place. There are alot of people that try to lose weight by essentially starving themselves, and maybe doing an exercise video once a week or something. If you aren't ingesting all the protein and complex carbs that you need at regular intervals, then it's likely you're burning your muscle, and not your fat. Bodies were designed to burn muscle first when it thinks it's starving, specifically because of what Trevor and Mack mentioned...that more muscle equals faster metabolism. Sometimes a person will eat less thinking they will lose weight, and they do, the first time they do it. But once that muscle is gone and you are feeling like you look thinner, if you stop exercising you will pack on every single bite you eat in the form of fat, because your matebolism has dropped so low. And then it's very difficult to lose weight again, because you don't have those muscle reserves to burn up like you did the first time, so eating a lot less doesn't "work" like it did the time before. I maintain that the best way to lose weight or get in shape is really simple. Small portions of protein and complex carbs 5-6 times a day, overall strength training three times a week (or more if you want to get bulky) and some cardio and stretching, for good measure.

Actually, maybe you know all this already. I just don't think that it's entirely accurate to say that muscle can turn into fat.
 
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
 
quote:
At any rate, I was called in for Jury Duty and sat there for a full week. No exercising happened that whole time because I was gone like ten hours a day and totally beat when I got home. At the end of the week I happened to weigh myself...I had lost 8 or more pounds just sitting on that jury!
Well, sitting in a confined jury box is a good way to stay away from the refrigerator and/or snacks. So did you actually EAT LESS during that week?

Farmgirl
 
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
 
It's no more pointless than eating, or doing laundry. Personal/spiritual development is the same.

I've been trying to get going with this exercise regimen called "The Core" for about five weeks now. It sounds like a great idea. It's main purpose is to tone the torso, to prevent back strain and stuff. I've read the book and it sounds great, but I just haven't figured out when to do it.

PSI: I'd never reasoned that out about muscle getting burned first to conserve energy. Interesting.

I also have a theory that the fall is a bad time to lose weight, since we're supposed to be getting ready to hibernate. I'm going to keep training (I do cardio with a friend)and avoiding junk food, but I'm not going to get disappointed if the scale is unimpressed.

[ August 06, 2004, 09:49 AM: Message edited by: pooka ]
 
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
 
Trevor, I think you know what I'm saying but I want to go ahead and make my position really clear about the strength training.

I'm a huge advocate of the strength training. It made up the biggest part of my routine. But, in general, for women (or men) who are obsessing about how they look at first, I feel like it's best to skip strength training in the area that your fat builds up, until you've lost some fat in that area. Mainly because those people are so motivated by how they look that they need that constant physical reminder that they are doing well, and building muscle under large thighs doesn't do anything to make them look better. (Have you ever read "Escape Your Shape"? It wasn't perfectly accurate, but it kinda matched how I feel about the "body shape" as it were.

I, personally, am not so worried about my thighs looking a little bigger. I don't do squats because I can't, but it worked out for the best anyway.

I'll put a link here to something I found on the web when I was searching for "Escape Your Shape". You can look at it if you want, although you may not agree. It just matched my own experience.

http://quiz.ivillage.com/diet/tests/bodytype.htm
 
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
 
Ah, I don't need to take a test. I'm a big butt and thighs shape. I would have done great in the age of hoops skirts.
 
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
 
Oh, FarmGirl, I don't know. I may have, but if that caused me to lose weight it still ties into my post above my last one. I built up some muscle then lost it because I wasn't exercising, and possibly starving my muscle a bit. In truth I don't generally snack at the fridge anyway, so it may not be a huge difference.

Me too, pooka. Bigger bum and no chest. But hey! *sings* I like me for me!

[ August 06, 2004, 09:52 AM: Message edited by: PSI Teleport ]
 
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
 
My personal experience with the Atkins diet is interesting. My blood pressure shot so high that, after I'd get up quickly to go to the bathroom or something, the lenses in my eyes would shake with every heartbeat. I think any other person probably would have passed out long before they ever saw something like that, but I don't pass out easily.

One too many hits with a snake, I guess. [Razz]
 
Posted by dabbler (Member # 6443) on :
 
This thread makes me really want to eat some pistachios. Mmm, little drops of fat/protein/salt.

My diet varies so much from week to week, it's hard to describe. I definitely did the -fat, +muscle thing in the last year. I got a few, "Did you lose weight? You look great" from some classmates and I was actually kind of annoyed with them. I guess I was annoyed because they were adding to society's "you don't look good now, you'll look good after you lose weight." I was/am reasonably happy with how I look. Maybe I had some baby fat or something, but certainly in the normal range. But somehow, I still came across as "needing improvement." Does that make sense?
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
Yes, I knew that. I meant as a very concise shorthand of what feels like happens.
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
quote:
It's no more pointless than eating, or doing laundry. Personal/spiritual development is the same.
Yes, but those are fun. Excercise is expensive, requires huge amounts of time, and is deeply entangled with the way we deal with one another, and on top of everything, the usual day's allotment is incredibly boring. The only thing that makes it remotely worth it is that I'm happier when I feel physically better, and even that irritates me. It shouldn't be this awkward and inconvenient.
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
I think one thing that helps is having a goal in mind--other that weight loss/gain.

As in, I do other, way fun sports. I snowboard. I fence. Every minute I spend in the gym makes me better at each sport. It increases strength and flexibility, betters my aerobic capability, increases my endurance. It makes fencing and snowboarding much more pleasureable--because I can keep going when others tire, because I can see my speed and agility increase, I can get through a two hour class and still be ready to keep going. I can snowboard an entire day and only be tired because my knees hurt.

Apparently my body is a mesomorph. This means I get to be naturally athletic and build muscle tone easily and see results quickly. It also means I get to lose tone more quickly as well.

I have acid reflux--which means I can't do any exercise that specifically targets the abdominal region. My abs can take it fine, but the insides get pissy for a couple days afterward and it's quite uncomfortable.

Because of my chronic shoulder tendonitis, I can't do pushups or dips.

This also makes me have to be VERY aware of shoulder positioning and posture while fencing and in daily life. If I let my shoulders roll forward (going back to bad posture), it impinges my shoulder and causes pain. My right shoulder has improved loads--I can fence for hours and not be in pain during or after. My left shoulder STILL has problems, even with a good amount of PT. It doesn't hurt when I'm not using it, but while doing footwork drills, the left shoulder hurts while my right shoulder is fine. It's odd, because I'm right handed. *shrug*

So I'm frustrated easily. My appetite is screwed up because of my moods--I just don't want to eat. Nothing seems appetizing. But I HAVE to eat. And I put off eating till I've nearly got the shakes, which means I eat things that are quick and not so healthy. I keep a stable weight, but I still want to lose--get that extra fat off my stomach/hips that DRIVES ME UP A WALL.

[Mad]
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
The thing is, life is a choice. For every day, since I work half an hour away, if I do something that requires any driving or set up time or basically anything, that's pretty much my day. For the weekends, there's lots of time, but it means I don't have time to do other things.

I enjoy having physical activities, but I enjoy other things more. I'd rather spend Thursday evening drawing at the art museum. I'd rather read a book. I'd rather hang out with friends, and on the weekends, I'd rather see a play, clean my house, and visit friends. It's not that the athletic things are undesirable - I'd just rather do other things. Also, it's over a hundred degrees here in the summer - nothing except swimming is fun at that heat.

Same with money - I'd rather spend $60 a month on new shoes and my half.com habit. The thing is, that's what many things are judged on. That's what is used in the shallow feminine bragging sessions, that's what governs some of my health, it's essential to my happiness and I know it, and it actually irritates me that something that bores me so greatly is so necessary. It feels so self-centered.

Basically, in order to live in this world, I am forced to comply with expectations I had no hand in shaping and must spend my resources on it when I'd rather do other things. And on top of everything, it doesn't even last.

[ August 06, 2004, 12:22 PM: Message edited by: katharina ]
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
I guess it depends on what kind of exercise you want to do.

-Trevor
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
What do you mean? There's no exercise that produces results you don't have to continue working at to maintain.

[ August 06, 2004, 12:23 PM: Message edited by: katharina ]
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
I was thinking in terms of cost.

A gym membership is a reoccuring expense while home equipment is a one-time deal.

-Trevor
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
Oh, yeah. I know - I'm just whining. I realize the expectation exists, I realize all the reasons for it, and I realize that there are options. All of them are done under duress, though.
 
Posted by littlemissattitude (Member # 4514) on :
 
PSI asked me to come over here and reiterate her contention that when weight loss occurs, proportions tend to stay the same. I know that mine do, no matter what combination of diet and exercise I have ever tried. When I lose weight, I get generally smaller, but my hips (and thighs, sigh) are still proportionately larger than other portions of my anatomy.
 
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
Amen to what LMA said. Same goes for me. No matter what weight I am, my proportions stay exactly the same! It is pre-programmed and "target toning" does not magically remove fat from certain locations. It does, however, make that muscle stronger and more defined.
 
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
 
Thanks T, yah I remember doing those caliper things in health class way back when (not as far back as I would like though! [Wink] ). I know that I fall down on the heavy side of normal on a scale based entirley on weight and height, and I figured something like frame-size would give clearer idea of at least where I stand.

And just as an update, I've been biking 18 miles a day around 4 days a week (this is to work, and for some reason I average about 1 car trip a week due to flats, bringing in something heavy, rain, whatever). But I'ms till eating just terribly, so I'm not really progressing like I hoped. When I have to start cooking for myself this year I'm hoping on eating healthier.

Hobbes [Smile]
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Heh. You cannot, short of surgery, spot reduce fat.

Toning, yes. But every infommercial promising washboard abs in minutes a day fails to minute the whole "losing weight first" problem.

-Trevor
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
kat, if you think doing laundry is fun, you need to come move in with me. [Wink] I'll spot you a gym membership . . . [Big Grin]
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
See Riv, I just wasn't gonna go there. [Big Grin]

-Trevor
 
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
 
I've never minded doing laundry, it's putting it away that I always hated.

Hobbes [Smile]
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
That's ok, Trev. *twinkle* I didn't invite you. [Wink]


Hobbes, I agree that putting it away is the worst part of laundry. But the sorting, lugging, transferring wet clothes to the dryer, etc. -- not so much fun either. [Razz]

Could be worse. Could involve a washboard, or a river and a big rock. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
I dunno - I always found putting laundry away to be kind of relaxing.

-Trevor
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
You're trying to get me to extend that invite, aren'cha? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
 
You sort laundry? I've never sorted, including new, very colorful clothes. A couple of times some red bleeded onto a white shirt, but both times all traces disapeared in the dryer. [Dont Know] I kind of like it because it ties me down for a decent amount of time, so I feel more free to do something relaxing. [Smile]

Hobbes [Smile]
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
You're either very lucky or using cold water, Hobbes. I sort into light and dark. Once upon a time I used to sort perma press separately, because my then-spouse was convinced it made a difference to his shirts -- since I don't see the difference in mine or the kids' and no longer wash his, I don't do that anymore. I also used to do a separate chlorine-bleachable load, but now that I've switched to "oxygen" bleaches, I just include the whites with the lights and bleach the whole bunch -- but not the darks, since many react badly to the bleach.
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
[Big Grin]

Not really - but it's exerting control in chaotic surroundings. Inflicting order, I suppose.

-Trevor
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
I enjoy order.

I pay a housekeeper once a week to exert it for me. [Wink] (Twice a week right now, since I'm trying to get packed to move.)



[desperate rerail] Once I move, I'll have access to a pool I can actually use. I'm hoping this will inspire me to get more exercise on a regular basis. [/desperate rerail]
 
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
 
I agree with everything Hobbes said about laundry.

Except sorting. >_<
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
*bump*

I've been hovering for a while around size 38, but I'm going to renew my commitment right now, and not allow myself to gain any weight this holiday season.
 
Posted by Allegra (Member # 6773) on :
 
Good for you!

I am feeling the same way. I lost weight last year but I have gained some back. Now I am trying to stop gaining, and maybe even start losing.
 
Posted by Allegra (Member # 6773) on :
 
*Whew*
I knew I had gained weight, and I thought it was around 20 pounds or so. I was wrong! Only about 10. 10 sounds way more doable then 20.
 
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
I am also trying to avoid gaining weight this holiday season, especially after I have managed to lose 5 lbs in the last couple months.

I am also trying to exercise more.
 
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
Okay, I need encouragement. I pretty much stopped exercising regularly about 6 months ago when the place I was going changed their schedule. So even with no major change in diet I stopped losing and gained back enough that my wedding dress, which fit perfectly last fall, is now tight behind the shoulders. Not tight enough to look bad, but tight enough that it’s not perfectly comfortable. This is not acceptable.

I started on the treadmill this morning and I’m being much more conscious about drinking water rather than snacking. That should be enough, if I can be consistent with it for the next seven weeks. [Frown]
 
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
 
Walk!

Walk! Walk! Walk
(treadmills are boring)

You have a nice town -- get out and enjoy it.

Farmgirl
 
Posted by Lady Jane (Member # 7249) on :
 
[Smile] I'll do it with you dk - I stopped excercizing for a while, and Christmas all that comes with it did horrible things to my diet and body.
 
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
It's too cold this week for heavy outdoor exercise -- it kicks off my asthma. [Frown]
 
Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
 
I'm participating in a weight-loss challenge. The YMCA in Fort Dodge has a challenge called "Lose Yourself at the YMCA." I'm writing about it for our newspaper. [Eek!]

And, I'm blogging .

So far, I've lost 9 pounds in three weeks. [Big Grin]

[ February 11, 2005, 02:49 PM: Message edited by: CaySedai ]
 
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
 
You want morning reminder e-mails to walk? Might help guilt me into lifting...
 
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
I seem to be holding steady at the 5 lbs I lost in December - can't seem to lose more, though I may have lost inches, my clothes seem looser. [Smile]

[ February 11, 2005, 03:33 PM: Message edited by: Ela ]
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
This is just TOO weird.
I was upstairs, making bacon for a spinach slas, thinking about starting a 2005 WLET. (Weight loss Encouragement thread) Then I thought, well, I will just find the old one.
Five minutes later, here I am!

It is hard for me because i am home, and tend to munch. I go to rehab, which is basically wights, treadmill, and bike, fr two days, then Curves on the other days. Well, this week, anyway. Since I have been going every day, I feel a difference. I avoid the mirror, and just try to feel the strength building in my legs and arms. I will add a walk next week.

I have been have been trying to eat when I am hungry only, a new concept. (I think of third world countries often, and how people would look at me and say, "You nasty woman, I wish we could eat when we were hungry, and have it be a choice) Seriously, I am trying to be more conscious of that.
 
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
 
That blog is a cool idea, CaySedai!

FG
 
Posted by babager (Member # 6700) on :
 
So far I've lost 28lbs!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Party]
Yeah for me!!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
 
It's ok dkw - you could always do what I did.

Buy a new (bigger) wedding dress two days before the wedding! [Smile]
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
Could someone please remind me that losing 1-2 lbs a week is the healthy way to do it, even though I desparately want it to go faster? I've just got such a long way to go, and at 1-2 lbs a week...well, it's gonna be a while. [Frown]
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Megan, I hear you. Don't rush it. Whenever I get into a "I need to lose weight by such-and-such date" mode, I usually hit the Ben and Jerry's within a day. And I mean the pint, not some dainty half-cup portion.
Be patient, exercise, and (this is from CT in another thread) eat food that is nutrition-dense. Stay away from fat free stuff, which is often filled with sugar.

When I have done Weight Watchers, I always gave myself these point-free items: salad dressing, and half and half.

I am not a big salad eater, and fat free dressing makes me gag. It's Ken's Italian, or no salad.

I love my morning coffee, and need it to have half-and-half.
 
Posted by Goody Scrivener (Member # 6742) on :
 
1.5 this week after a long stretch of not budging that followed a gain over the holidays. The doctor wants me to lose 50 total by September '05, I'm at about 14 right now. I know I can do it if I continue the downward trend. My own goal is to lose 75 total, which would put me back at where I was when I got pregnant with my oldest daughter (and I thought I was heavy at that time but now it's a reasonable weight and BMI to shoot for)
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
I hear ya, Goody!

Oh for those pre-child days long ago when I thought I was overweight! Those days are many, many pounds away.
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
quote:
Megan, I hear you. Don't rush it. Whenever I get into a "I need to lose weight by such-and-such date" mode, I usually hit the Ben and Jerry's within a day. And I mean the pint, not some dainty half-cup portion.
Yeah, this is totally me. I'm doing Weight Watchers, along with a friend who occasionally has what she calls "unfortunate peanut butter incidents." I have unfortunate chocolate incidents, despite the fact that weight watchers is really a relatively easy system to manage.

Part of the problem is I have so much weight to lose--enough that, when I reach my goal weight (I'm saying "when" because it isn't going to be if...I hope...), I will weigh exactly half of what I weight when I started. And, I'm just 19 pounds down now, which means I have quite a bit left to go. I'm losing between 1 and 2 (sometimes a bit more) a week, and I realize that's the good way to do it. It's just that I get these kind of thoughts:

"Ok, if I lose 2 pounds a week, then I'll be down to my goal in ...a YEAR!"

I've started working out every day, though (it's a routine now, which is what I really needed it to be), and that seems to be helping to at least keep the losses regular, if not overly large.

*sigh* I'm doing things like working out while cheering myself on in my head with, "Bikini! Size 6 clothing! Not getting diabetes! Yeah!"

Anyway, thanks for the encouraging words. [Smile]
 
Posted by Swampjedi (Member # 7374) on :
 
I'm losing weight, too, and sometimes I wonder if it's a bit too fast. I'm losing between 3 and 4 pounds a week. Granted, I have a 30 min (excluding stretch/cooldown) cardio workout 6 days a week. I also have two weight sessions a week, though I think I am going to move up to three. Of course, I've been watching the calories as well. I aim for around 2000, but I'm not usually hungry enough to make it that far. Should I try harder to eat more?

My current concern is body fat content. I'm not really aiming for a target weight, but instead a target body fat percentage. Is that more reasonable? The problem is, my body fat appears not to budge. I've been stuck at 31-32% for a few weeks, and it's really starting to annoy me (because if it's accurate, I'm losing more lean weight each week than fat weight). I am wondering if perhaps I purchased a cheap body fat scale? Or maybe the BF scale isn't the best way to go?

My nightmare situation is that I'm doing something wrong, and I really am losing the lean mass.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Swampjedi, do you work out at a gym? They often will do a body fat analysis which is pretty accurate.

Megan, hang in there, babe! You know, I tried the online point tracker for a while, and iot really helped. I need external tools. Sad, but true. If I could go to a boot camp, I would.

Edit: My "incidents" involve cheese, butter, and some form of bread.

[ February 19, 2005, 09:42 PM: Message edited by: Elizabeth ]
 
Posted by Swampjedi (Member # 7374) on :
 
Elizabeth,

No gym, just my basement. Supposedly this scale is Consumer Reports' most accurate bathroom body fat analyzer - but as I don't have a CR subscription, I can't tell.

I hear that it takes forever to learn how to use the calipers correctly. Is this accurate? Is it worth the time and effort to try and learn?

Jeremy
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
I don't really know, Jeremy. Maybe you are not eating enough calories. That seems like a lot to lose each week, without the weight loss tapering off at some point. Don't quote me, though. You might want to check with your doctor.
 
Posted by Swampjedi (Member # 7374) on :
 
Elizabeth, thanks for the input. In the past, I've lost weight like this at this point in my diet. That is, as I pass from Xlb to X-20lb, it seems to come off really quickly.

Might be best to see a doctor, anyways.

Jeremy
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Maybe it is just taking longer for your muscle building to catch up or something.
 
Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
 
quote:
That blog is a cool idea, CaySedai!
Thanks, Farmgirl. I'm writing articles for the paper where I work, and referencing the blog in the articles. I'm getting positive comments from people I know and people on the street, which makes me feel good.
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
quote:
Oh for those pre-child days long ago when I thought I was overweight! Those days are many, many pounds away.
So very true.
 
Posted by mothertree (Member # 4999) on :
 
I'm not sure when I last weighed myself. I think it might have been September. But my pants were loose all through this latest "cycle". It's not that I'm so emotionally healthy, we just don't have a scale at the house and I am lazy.

I'm not too impressed with bodyfat scales. They can also be thrown off by things like how hydrated you are and if you've eaten a lot of salt. Also, if you want to monitor bodyfat, you're probably best to do it once a month at most. That said, if you have someone to help you with it a good set of calipers is the most accurate method besides hydrostatic weighing. I forget how much we paid to get hydrostatically weighed when we finished Body for Life back in 2002. Maybe $30 each at the university.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Day one of newest of the newly new weight loss plans was a success!
I am doing the WW Core plan, which is basically a whole foods thing, and easy for me, as there are not too many restrictions I feel the need to rebel against. (except, of course, butter and cheese)
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
Hey, good job! I don't have the self-control to do core; I would just eat myself silly.

I gained this week ( [Razz] )...not much, but enough that I feel the need to kick myself in the butt in working out this week.
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
*sigh*

Back to running and serious weights for me.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
I can't run yet! Ha ha. I hate running anyway. (It makes the weight fall off, though.)
 
Posted by mothertree (Member # 4999) on :
 
Tomorrow I start walking too and from work. I think I will also start keeping a food journal again.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
I am going to Curves, and have been measured and body-fatted there. I am a lifetime member of WW-ha ha-so i will go and get the intro packet for the new Core Plan, and then just weigh in weekly at Curves to save money.
 
Posted by Allegra (Member # 6773) on :
 
I still have those 10 pounds to lose. I know that I will always be a bigger person. I am 5'11"and have a very large bone structure. I will never be a size 6. My hip bones without muscle or fat on them would not fit into a size 6 pair of pants. I would really like to get at least 10 pounds off of me soon, and maybe another 10 or so by the time I head of to school in September.

I haven't eliminated anything from my diet. I have just made to decision *not* to eat when I am not hungry and to be moderate with portions. I am trying to be firm. I want to find a good way to excercise. I have a YMCA membership, but I have been unable to find a system I like. I found something several months ago, but it lost its appeal. I like swimming but I feel akward swimming laps at the Y. I am thinking of trying a class. Can anyone suggest a good one to try?
 
Posted by Goody Scrivener (Member # 6742) on :
 
2 more pounds this past week. Tomorrow is the first of the month, which means my existing train and bus passes expire. So no more bus pass for me until October when the weather gets icky again (this is normal for me, I ride Oct through Feb, walk Mar through Sept with the bus available for cash fare if the weather warrants).

This coming weekend will be a bit of a test for me. I've got company spending the weekend and I know he wants to be lazy and piggy. LOL
 
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
 
A comment for those among us who have more than 20 or 30 pounds to lose. . . I find it works better if I set a goal of 20 or 30 pounds less than where I'm at at the moment. Because it's shorter term, it means that it's easier for me to see me getting through it and making it. It just seems much more doable. Plus if I eat very badly for a day or so, I'm less likely to beat myself up over it, and most of us know that emotional eating isn't good.

Basically, set yourself up for success by making the goal easier. Then, when you achieve that goal, you can take a break for a week or two before starting the next segment. It might make it easier.

Another comment - from what I've read, and from what I've been told by a few doctors, it's actually better - as in, healthier - to eat something every two or three hours. That way, your body doesn't think it's going into starvation mode and decrease metabolism. Snacking like this will actually increase metabolism. Yeah, nutritionally dense is best, of course, but still.

And not that I have a specific goal for losing weight right now, but I've lost 7 pounds in the last two weeks anyway. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
Elizabeth, I can't run either (it causes me to have an asthma attack), but I find I can use an elliptical machine fairly easily to the same effect.

quidscibis, I think little goals are great...my problem is I keep hitting the wall just before 20lbs down. I've lost and gained that one pound 3 or 4 times now (very frustrating). If I can just hit that darn 20lb mark (this week, I hope), then I'll be feeling good.
 
Posted by mothertree (Member # 4999) on :
 
I don't know about the mini meals thing. If you're a compulsive eater, it's possible to screw just about any plan up. When I was doing Body for Life, that is a six little meals thing and I was thinking all the time about when I could eat next.
 
Posted by fiazko (Member # 5812) on :
 
I have to fit into one of these by July 2nd.

<sigh> Let's just say, I've got a loooong way to go.
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
Speaking of bridesmaid's dresses, which of these should I be choosing for my frame?
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
"Elizabeth, I can't run either (it causes me to have an asthma attack), but I find I can use an elliptical machine fairly easily to the same effect."

Megan, I will be able to run again, I just can't yet. I love to run while playing games: soccer, tennis, etc. I just hate running for exercise, even though it is by far the most effective way for me to get in shape.
 
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
 
mack: Top 8211 and skirt 8552. It will show off your lovely arms and shoulders, and the tea-length floaty skirt will make you look more hourglassy. Plus the simple cut outs at the neckline will go well with your haircut. [Smile] Flattering but not too girly.
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
Thanks ElJay [Smile]
 
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
 
That's a lovely outfit. Not having seen you in person, mack, I don't really know, but it sounds like Eljay knows what she's talking about.
 
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
 
Welcome. [Smile] Do, of course, go to the store and try them one. [Wink] But I think those should do pretty well for you.
 
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
 
I like top 8087 (with the cowl neck).

But your choice is good too, ElJay.

[Smile]
 
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
 
See, I would totally get the cowl neck if I was shopping for me. I'm girly. But that one with the floaty skirt would be too frippery for mack. I don't think she'd be comfortable in it, for one, and I think the other would go better with her body type. [Smile]

It'll show your collarbones, mack. Collarbones are dead sexy, yet still elegant.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Day two complete and successful! I love this new W.W. program. Has anyone done South Beach? This seems like the end of the Sputh Beach Diet to me. I asked the meeting woman, and of course her lips said, "Oh, really? I don't know about any of those diet," but her eyes said , "Yes, it does."

"Free" foods: All whole grains. Potatoes, brown rice, ww pasta limited to one meal a day.

All vegetables, all fruit.

All fat free milk and milk products.

Eggs(which is great, and brings popovers into the picture)

All lean meats.(ground beef or turkey must be 93% and limited to one meal a day)

Bread "costs," but I can live with that. A slice of whole grain, fiberous goodness is only a point or two.

35 points to "spend" per week on wine, I mean, um, healthy bread and stuff.

Now, this I can so.
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
My biggest issue with the core plan was the "eat until you're not hungry" thing. My problem is, I can't stop myself (yet), even when I'm not hungry! So, I stick to my points, check them off every day, and it's basically been working (except when I have unfortunate incidents).

In other news, though, 2 days in a row of 60 minutes on the elliptical! I'm kicking my own butt here; I hope it shows up when I weigh in on Saturday.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Don't be surprised or discourage if it doesn't show up for a while, Megan. It will.

The Core plan is perfect for me because it is the way I want to eat, with whole grains and lean or no meat. And I like that you can switch back and forth from week to week if you want to.
 
Posted by Allegra (Member # 6773) on :
 
quote:
2 days in a row of 60 minutes on the elliptical
Dang! You go girl! I have only ever done 30 on the elliptical. (partially because that is all the Y will allow, but still)

Yesturday I did to rowing machine pretty intensely for 6 min and did the elliptical for 17. I was at the Y and the guy before me ate into the only time slot I could get which was 20min.

Today I am doing laps. I always feel a little uncomfortable swimming at the Y, but it is better then not excercising. I was good today. My teacher in my Euro class brought in tons of cookies. Even though I was very hungry I just had one are really savored it. I know it would have been better to have left them alone, but i figure 1 is better then 5.
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
[Smile] Thanks! It's going to have to make up for the next two days, in which I will have no time at all to work out. Allegra, I work out at the Sportsplex over on the west side. It does cost some money, but it's a very nice place, and as long as there's no one waiting, you can go for as long as you like on any machine.
 
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
 
I bought French Women don't Get Fat the other day.

I recommend it heartily. It's aimed at people with anything up to about 30-40 pounds to lose, which is great for me.

It's basically just about healthy eating - focussing on taste and variety. With a glass of champagne or wine daily. Sounds good to me. [Smile]

Smaller portions of tastier food - the other night we had a little bit of gazpacho each (fresh and good) followed by chicken in champagne (the recipe from the book) and fresh sauted spinach. So nice and so suprisingly healthy.

Of course, we'll see if I actually lose weight... [Smile]
 
Posted by babager (Member # 6700) on :
 
31 lbs and counting!!!
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Imogen,
I have heard of this book. Before hearing about it, though, I knew that many Europeans who eat a diet which Atkins or Weight Watchers would shudder hearing about, do not have a weight problem.

My theory(based on nothing concrete, really) is that people in countries which are not McDonaldsfied tend to make food. If they are hungry, they make a sandwich. They do not take it out of the freezer and microwave it. If they want macaroni and cheese, they make a cheese sauce, boil macaroni, and bake it. They do not have "Kraft Dinner."

I have also heard that this is changing, that our lovely tendency to be overweight is spreading, so to speak, to other countries.

The thing that burns my biscuits is: why can't I really and truly be happy with a life sustaining amount of food? Why do I overeat, knowing that many people in the world would love to have overeating as a problem, since they are starving?
 
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
 
I think you're completely right Elizabeth.

With me, I do cook almost everything from scratch. Puff pastry and filo pastry are pretty much the only exceptions.

What this book made me remember is
1. If you buy fruit and vegies in season (and spend a bit more for the really nice stuff) you won't need to dress them up with sauces etc. They taste sensational just as they are, or very simply cooked.

2. Lots of little portions of different tastes is better for you, and more fulfilling, then one big plate of one taste.

As for the 'why' issue - I think that may be something more emotional (not to go all Dr Phil on you). Seriously, people who overeat often benefit from counselling / other help.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
You are probably right, Imogen. it is an emotional thing. In that case, 80 percent of our ovre 25 population needs therapy!

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/03/05/obesity.poll/

"Poll results show that 80 percent of people older than 25 are overweight based on the body mass index (BMI), a national guideline computed through a combination of weight and height. That figure has risen from 71 percent in 1995, 64 percent in 1990 and 58 percent in 1983."

Wow.

You know, being an oppositional type of personality, I should use these stats to my advantage. When I get to a healthy weight, I will be a rebel!
(OK, back to the psychological drawing board with me)

Edit: I am finding a different percentage on every website, but still, it is way too high. Yikes.

[ March 03, 2005, 08:32 AM: Message edited by: Elizabeth ]
 
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
 
How do you figure BMI ? Is this a weight-height dependant figure, or something else ?
EDIT : sorry, just figured out that I already knew mine (it has a different name in French). Mine is between 22 and 23, I still think it is too much, even if it's not officially overweight.

[ March 03, 2005, 08:53 AM: Message edited by: Anna ]
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Yes, it is a height-weight-age thing. I will see if I can find a chart.

Here, Anna:

http://www.consumer.gov/weightloss/bmi.htm

Edit: OK, now I will see if I can find one in metric. Here is one:

http://kidshealth.org/teen/food_fitness/dieting/bmi.html

[ March 03, 2005, 08:55 AM: Message edited by: Elizabeth ]
 
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
 
Thank you !
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Eating does have an emotional context to it - we feel "good" when we eat, never mind the secondary effects from the food itself. Whether this is feeling comes from learned responses ("Oooh, General Tso's...I love this stuff!") to a direct chemical interaction ("Ooooh, chocolate...I love this stuff!"), the stimulation is present.

We even have a term for this - "comfort food."

When you step into eating for comfort, it's almost like self-medicating...we begin to perform actions designed to influence our moods or feelings. And eating is a means of a quick-fix that is...well...quick and easy to obtain.

Additionally, the more we eat, the larger our capacity to intake food before we feel "full" - in some respects, it's like developing a tolerance to a drug. We have to take more and more of the drug before our bodies will acknowledge the impact.

Mind you, this is on the extreme end of the scale, but moderate the examples and I think it applies equally well to most of us.

Glad to see you're feeling better Liz.

-Trevor

P.S. Good job Megan!

Edit 2: NFL versus BMI

There were several articles regarding the BMI test on the NFL - this was the only one I could find in the two minutes I had to look.

[ March 03, 2005, 11:25 AM: Message edited by: TMedina ]
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
Thanks, Trevor...Good to see you! *hugs* [Smile]
 
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
 
Hey! T! Glad you're around. [Smile]
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Hi Trevor!

I was sitting next to a man at a WW meeting who just crumpled when he saw his BMI and where it "should" be. He is a very big man, and he said he would have to lose about 100 pounds, and he would be 200 years old when he did.

The NFL makes a good point. Bodies come in so many shapes and sizes. I tend to hold weight from head to toe, some people have pockets. (rear, belly, legs)
 
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
I third (fourth?) the "Hey, Trevor, good to see you back!" sentiment. [Smile]

I find that I can lose a bit of weight when I focus on not eating past satisfaction. One thing I have had to fight is the intense feeling of, "Don't waste food!" That every last morsal is precious and must be eaten rather than thrown out.

Also, I find that I don't feel "finished" until I've had something I consider a "treat" at the end of a lunch or dinner. That is a more difficult thing for me to overcome.

[ March 03, 2005, 12:12 PM: Message edited by: beverly ]
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Beverly,
I have been trying really hard to avoid leftovers by making just enough for one meal. If it is soup or something, I try to freeze the extra. But I have the same hating-to-throw-it-away feeling. I have been, though, because it either goes bad in the fridge, or I eat it just so it won't.
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
Atheletes are often told not to pay attention to BMI but body fat percentage instead. Many athletes would be considered overweight using BMI.
 
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
Yup. For me, throwing away food just kills me. My husband is trying to break me of this "bad habit".
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
The only leftovers my husband will eat are: steak, meatballs, and lasagna. Drives me nuts, as I grew up in a house where the men were skinny fridge vacuums.
 
Posted by fiazko (Member # 5812) on :
 
So according to the BMI thing, I am obese. Huh. I have never been able to figure out where I keep it all because I'm not that wide.

[edit for clarification: I'm in the upper obese category. (What is the purpose of two different categories equaling obese?)]

[ March 03, 2005, 12:43 PM: Message edited by: fiazko ]
 
Posted by FoolishTook (Member # 5358) on :
 
In my opinion, the Body Mass Index is rubbish.

It doesn't take into account bone density, frame size, or muscle mass. So I question any study that sights the BMI findings as proof we're all fatter than we used to be.

I think we are. I think there is a problem, but perhaps this "epidemic" is a bit exaggerated. After all, while we're all so busy worrying about dying, we're also living longer.

And I think we're eating unhealthy because we're so fixated on dieting. Good food is so forbidden that we're all the more obsessed with it.
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
The one important thing to realize is, there isn't one universal standard for being healthy except, perhaps, being alive - sort of an "either you are or you aren't" scenario.

Can you be healthier than what you are? Sure. But given the amazing diversity in genetics and body types, take any "height vs weight vs etc" comparisons with a grain of salt (sorry) because this assumes we all, more or less, conform to the same parameters.

-Trevor

P.S. Thanks - since I'm still playing chauffer for WenchCon, I thought it best to put in an apperance or two.
 
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
Ahhhh, Trevor and his Wenches!
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Pffft.

More like the Wenches and the volunteered help. [Taunt]

-Trevor
 
Posted by Allegra (Member # 6773) on :
 
I am also happy to see Trevor. [Wave]

quote:
In my opinion, the Body Mass Index is rubbish.

It doesn't take into account bone density, frame size, or muscle mass.

That is exactly what I think. I have a large frame and a decent amount of muscle. I think I should weigh about 20 lbs more then they say is the max. for me(according to bmi).

At least I am now at the top of the overweight category instead of getting close to the top of the 2nd obese category.

Edit:I used to be at the top of the 2nd obese category. I just realized that my comment sound really bad when it is OOC.
2nd Edit: I stuck my first edit in the middle of the post by mistake

[ March 03, 2005, 10:06 PM: Message edited by: Allegra ]
 
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
[Wink]
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Heya Alle. [Big Grin]

-Trevor
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
What was it Johnnie Depp said in Pirates of the Carribean?

"It's more like a guidleline."

The BMI is pretty generalized, but I still think that if you are way off, it is a warning sign.

No, we should not all be stick-thin, but there are so many health risks to being overweight.

My favorite diet is one I heard on NPR: The Amish Diet.
Basically, you eat meat and mashed potatoes, butter everything, and have either pie or cake for dessert.
And then, you walk and work your a** off.
They put pedometers on some agreeable Amish folk, and found that the steps they take daily, just living, pretty much take care of anything they eat.

"The study says Amish men walk an average of 18,425 steps daily, women an average of 14,196 steps compared to their modern neighbors who walk an average of 2,000 to 3,000 steps a day."
http://www.applesforhealth.com/HealthyEating/mdlsf5.html

[ March 03, 2005, 09:16 PM: Message edited by: Elizabeth ]
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Bah, that was not Depp - that was Captain Barbosa! [Big Grin]

But yes, makes a great point as always - don't take anything to an extreme, but use common sense in your approach to anything.

-Trevor
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
You know, I knew I was going to get blown out of pirate waters for referring to a movie that so many have memorized. Ha ha. Sorry for me blasphemy!
 
Posted by Allegra (Member # 6773) on :
 
Now this thread is reminding me of why wenchcon would be so cool. I would get to meet Trevor and hang out with Megan, and see all sorts of other cool people. I am not sure who else will be there but I am sure lots of other worthwhile people. I have been avoiding the threads like a plauge since I found out I couldn't go. I thought avoiding the other threads would keep me from jealousy. [Grumble]

Edit: I just had a thought. Megan, if we magically have memeberships to the same place would you want to be work-out buddies? We could encourage each other!

[ March 03, 2005, 10:18 PM: Message edited by: Allegra ]
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
Allegra, sure! If nothing else, when it gets warmer, we can walk in places like Bryant Park or something. I typically work out with another grad student, but it would be great if you could join us. [Smile]

I have to say, I really, really like the Sportsplex. I know you said you go to the Y; I've never actually been there before.

Oh, and as for hanging out, hey, just drop me an email! You live so close to where I always am; we could always do lunch or dinner or something. [Smile]
 
Posted by Allegra (Member # 6773) on :
 
Cool! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Oh no, now they're acting in...dare I say...concert? [Big Grin]

-Trevor
 
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
 
BMI does work for some people though - like me.

[Smile]

I have a very small frame, and fairly low muscle mass - less than I should have, of course. [Embarrassed]

But because I am naturally small, the BMI guidelines work kinda well - at the moment I am teetering on the upper range of healthy / almost into overweight.

For me, I feel right (and my body looks right) more in the mid-low range of healthy. Which is right for some-one with a small frame.
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
heh...in concert. [Razz]

Except I don't really play anymore! No time. [Frown]
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Sorry, it wasn't a carefully orchestrated pun.

-Trevor
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Well, Trevor, it was pretty brassy of you to string us along like that. All the talking you've done would wind most people.
 
Posted by School4ever (Member # 5575) on :
 
I agree that BMI is pretty silly for all people.

A couple of weeks ago I had my body fat measured using hydrostatic weighing. I then calculated my minimum and maximum body weights using a body fat percentage range of 18-25 percent. If I had 18% body fat, I would still weigh more than my maximum BMI weight. Some of us just have more lean muscle mass and bigger bones.

I actually also believe some people are meant to be thinner than BMI calls for, like most people in my husband's family. Almost all of them are built to be very thin.
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Sorry Elizabeth - it was purely cymbalic.

But feel free to chime in with any other observations you have.

-Trevor
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
*does triumphant dance*

Down 1.6 this week! Of course, I still haven't broken the 20lb barrier yet, but now I'm only .2 of a lb away!
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Wooo-hoooo! Go Megan go!

-Trevor
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Yay Megan!

You know, I was ticked off by E-Tools. The Core Plan has almost nothing fun! The Flex Plan has all the menus and charts.

I think I may swith to Flex this week, but keep the whole grains-only option. I feel better already!
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
Thanks, Trevor! [Smile]

I am...desparately intrigued by e-tools, but want to not pay $12.95 a month for it, in addition to paying to attend meetings! Call me cheap, but hey, there it is. I need...a pirated version of e-tools, or something.
 
Posted by Coccinelle (Member # 5832) on :
 
I joined Weight Watchers this past week.. and I love the core/flex options.

Megan- congrats on your loss! That's great!
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Megan, I am a Lifetime Member-haha-so I weigh in at Curves, can go to the meetings for free, and can thus justify the 12.95.
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
That's cool [Smile] Lifetime is many, many pounds away for me...but that's alright. I have a friend who gets e-tools and is a fan; I just can't justify it along with the costs of meetings. I'll just stick to my little slider thingy! (I would like to have the activity points calculator, though...that thing sounds like it would come in handy!)

And, thanks, Coccinelle [Smile]
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Let me be more clear.
I am a Lifetime Member, and now about 70 lbs overweight. Once a Lifetime member, always a lifetime member, but that doesn't mean you can't gain it all back and more. Urgh.
 
Posted by Allegra (Member # 6773) on :
 
Trevor! Bad Puns! Very Bad Puns! [No No]

Megan: Congrats! [The Wave]
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
Ah, sorry...that should have been obvious from the ha-ha-ha, right? I'm...well, a little slow at times. [Big Grin]

Thanks, Allegra! Are you still interested in working out together, or in lunch, or whatever? [Smile]
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
It's OK, Megan. Actually, I will probably go weekly for a month or so anyway. At Curves they do measuring, too, so I will be able to see progress there. Snce I am not working, and have no restrictions other than, well, working, there is really no reason I should not be able to use this time to get in great shape so i can finally play soccer again. There is a women's pick-up league in town, and my goal is to be able to run(which I really have no control over, since it is a brain-healing thing) and to strengthen my ankles enough so that I don't sprain them the first time out. (Years of sports injuries take their toll on the older bod.)
 
Posted by Allegra (Member # 6773) on :
 
Megan: Of course! I am a little busy right now though. After spring break looks better. Maybe we could look at the weather forcast for a nice day. We could go for a long walk and then a healthy yummy dinner (ok at least semi-healthy, but definatly yummy).

I have lost a little weight! It is hard to say how much because my scale isn't very exact, but I think around 3 pounds. I can tell that my stomach looks smaller. *jumps up and down*

[ March 07, 2005, 11:51 PM: Message edited by: Allegra ]
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
Congratulations! [Smile] That's terrific!

I won't be able to do immediately after spring break, because my public lecture is on March 30. After that happens, I should be much, much freer...and much, much less stressed.

But, once that's over, we should definitely get together for a walk and a meal. By then, the weather should be better (she says as she looks out the office window watching snowflakes falling).
 
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
 
All right. I am finally posting in this thread... I avoided it before because I... I dunno... Felt stupid for heaping all of the rest of my problems on you guys, and maybe I thought I could get by without paying attention to my weight problem until I resolved it. (edit: looks like I made a few posts in here a little less than a year ago, but I didn't really say anything of any merit.)

Well, I'm having trouble resolving it... I know I need to lose weight, and I know I can do that by regulating my diet and exercising regularly. I just have a lot of trouble with it. I dunno. I'm up right now to weighing more than I ever have, because I haven't had time or opportunity for exercise, and I haven't been eating well...

But having lived with an anorexic so long, every time I think about restricting my diet or spending a significant amount of time exercising, it sets off bells. I know it's illogical, and that it's unlikely that I will become anorexic at this point in time... But.. I don't know... (sigh) I'm just unhappy with the way I am... and I don't know what to do about it.

Going to bed now.

[ March 16, 2005, 12:29 AM: Message edited by: Ryuko ]
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Ryuko, I think the best thing is basically what CT said in one thread or another, and is the basis for any "true" diet. that is, eat as close to the whole food as possible, and make it nutritionally dense. Try staying away from white flour and sugar, eat fruit instead of drinking juice, drink red wine instead of beer(if you care about that) Just try to make little changes toward nutrient density.
I know what you mean about the anoerexia stuff, and i tend to revolt whenever I go on a restrictive diet.

CT should market this very logical approach to eating, and maybe she can make gazillions like Atkins did.
 
Posted by mothertree (Member # 4999) on :
 
:scatters encouragement confetti on everyone:

I have PMS and "feel" fat [Embarrassed]

Ryuko, I have a similar problem with the eating disorders, which is why I have just cut out sweets and eat what I feel is normal otherwise. Though what I feel is normal is heavily influence by Radiant Recovery (Don't skip breakfast, protein with every meal, whole foods). It's a unique approach, even for OA. It's taken me 11 months to lose 20 lbs. I've gone months at a time without weighing myself because otherwise, it wouldn't seem like I was getting anywhere.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
After feeling really great for a week, eating whole grains, and exercizing regulary, I got on the scale at Weight Watchers, had lost half a pound, and decided to screw it. I am going to eat the same way, continue exercizing, and just do the monthly measuring at Curves. I am not going to pay to make myself feel bad.

A good friend of mine, who has been overweight for years, recently lost quite a bit of weight. Then she gained some back. She said to me the other night, "I wish I had never lost the weight. I felt great about myself before I did, and now I feel like a failure, even though I am still down thirty pounds.

[ March 16, 2005, 11:22 AM: Message edited by: Elizabeth ]
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
Also spacing out meals so that you don't get overly hungry is pretty important. I switched back to me eating really healthy and it's made a huge difference in my energy levels. I'm not getting the 4pm drop off! I make sure I eat at least 3 meals a day (I used to skip breakfast). Eating breakfast is very important for weight management. A bowl of cereal (okay, not healthy cereal, but I LIKE my pops). Lunch means a sandwich (peanut butter and jelly, or ham and cheese, or tuna and cheese, or roast beef), some sort of fruit, maybe some milk. Milk and cheese actually help with weight loss. Snacks can be snack cheese (they now make extra sharp cheese sticks!), fruits, fruit leather (100% fruit roll up type things), carrots or celery, or goldfish (the crackers). Dinner likely has one "fun" dish, like mashed potatoes, so I don't miss out. Lots of boneless skinless chicken breast type recipes, stir frys (using olive oil instead of other oils), rice, green beans, salad, things like that. I will have dessert later in the evening, something like a sorbet (mmmm). Watching serving size is important. 1/4 a container of sorbot is the 120 calories, not half of it.

I also exercise a whole lot. I fence at least three times a week. If I have a competition, I'm fencing for basically six hours straight on a weekend. Other than that, I've put back together a different gym regimen (it's changed because of fencing goals), and back to running (the weather is changing! huzzah!).

I'll probably GAIN weight, but in muscle mass, and the fat I'm seeing come back will come off. Basically, my body will change shape. It's very cool to see muscle definition.
 
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
I've been following the same "samll changes" plan I did last year, only it’s not working this time. [Frown] I’m going to blame the stupid birth control patch. And I’m going to take more drastic measures, because I don’t want to look like a sausage in a dress that fit perfectly six months ago.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
"It's very cool to see muscle definition."

I was looking in the mirror and noticed this weird thing on my forearm. It was a muscle!!!

I got the WW Core Plan book, and I really like the basic plan, but I have added Half and Half for my coffee, Ken's Italian for me salad, and red wine with dinner. Because I am a Lifetime Member, I can go to WW once every six weeks if I want to, and only have to pay that time.

Megan, I am not knocking the Watch! I really do think it is a wonderful, effective, and supportive program. I just tend to get oppositional about it.
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
quote:
A good friend of mine, who has been overweight for years, recently lost quite a bit of weight. Then she gained some back. She said to me the other night, "I wish I had never lost the weight. I felt great about myself before I did, and now I feel like a failure, even though I am still down thirty pounds.
A big crutch for me has been my PDA, because I really need to watch exactly what I eat, or I conince myself of things that are not true. I need to be able to keep track as I go.

So about a month and a half ago I dropped my PDA and broke it. [Frown]

I haven't stepped on the scale, but I know I've gained a bunch of weight. I've stopped wearing 38s, and even 40s are getting tight.

I had not succeeded in getting skinny, but I had gotten to a point I considered not obese, but more like buff. Now I'm fat again.

And I'll meet about a hundred Hatrackers in about three weeks, neh? [Wall Bash]

Well, the PDA came back from the repair people this week, and I'm back on the wagon. . . . day 2 and counting.

I had a smoothie from Planet Smoothie for the first time today, for breakfast. They are really quite filling and tasty and not all that fattening. They gave me a 10% discount because I am a teacher. I might make a habit of that on days when I run early. [Smile]
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
And Elizabeth, don't you dare steal my thread! I hardly ever start any, and this is one of only three I've started that have gone longer than two pages!
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Did I say I was going to steal your thread???? When????
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
I guess you meant this:
"This is just TOO weird.
I was upstairs, making bacon for a spinach slas, thinking about starting a 2005 WLET. (Weight loss Encouragement thread) Then I thought, well, I will just find the old one."

Sorry. I was thinking it was buried beyond recall or something. Plus, I never did it. I put the old stream of consciousness out there, that's all.
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
I'm not even going to discuss my reaction to my WenchCon photos. [Razz]

Weight loss is an achievable goal. You can climb to the top of any mountain.

Staying there is another matter. Weight maintenance is just as important as weight loss, unless you just wanted to enjoy the sights before going home.

-Trevor
 
Posted by Leonide (Member # 4157) on :
 
Tomorrow I start the South Beach diet.

I'm not as scared as I thought I would be of falling off the wagon, because I already have a healthy guilt complex involving the consumption of bad carbs...breads, pasta, etc.

Plus i don't really like sweets and don't eat fruit anyhow.

I'm just about to go out shopping for the essentials, and I'm feeling pretty psyched.

Anyone else a current SB dieter? (not Strong Bad, i wouldn't trust that beer belly)
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
I am so confused.

Because I am a very bad bridesmaid, I just picked up my dress today (the wedding is Saturday. I know I'm bad.)

Anyway.

The sizing totally screwed me up. I ended up getting an 8 skirt and a 10 top (I have Very Broad Shoulders).

Hmm.

Didn't think I was an 8.
 
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
 
It's OK, mack. I probably won't get to try on the dress for the wedding that I'm in until a day before. :/ I don't think I'll have gained weight, I hope not.

Oh, and also, I have to admit I ate four desserts over the course of the day today. FOUR. (sigh) Maybe it's OK cuz I'm sick? Does anyone know what sick people need more of?
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Hugs! (((((Ryuko)))))
 
Posted by Myr (Member # 5956) on :
 
Leo - I have three friends (all roommates in an apartment, which helps a lot with support and encouragement) on the South Beach diet. They're all losing weight steadily and are all quite happy.

I'm jealous.
 
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
 
Mack - I am usually a size 6-8 bottom and a 8-10 top. Top-heavy with no waist or hips, that's me.

Anyhow, I went shopping the other day and came home with size 10 pants and a size 6 top.

And both fit me perfectly.

[Confused]

Sizing - who needs it!
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
I have a waist and hips. One little old lady once told me to enjoy my figure while I have it. o_O

I think fencing has done something bad to my butt and legs. When I get pants, they fit all wrong. My waist size is either an 8 or a 10, but I can't figure it out because my butt doesn't fit. Or DOES fit, but I hate jeans or pants that feel like they're sticking to me (I like relaxed or loose fit). So I get larger pants, but then the waist is ridiculously huge. I also hate pants that have the waistline, well, at your waist. I'd rather have 'em at my hips or just above. Still the same problem. Waist is way too big. [Mad] I'm at a loss about what to do. So I could be an 8, 10, 12, or even 14, but nothing fits right.

Tops are more reliable, sorta. I have broad shoulders and a long trunk, but they've stayed that way and I usually wear a medium or large top, depending on length and shoulder width.

But the pants...I'm so confused. I figure the skirt fits as the 8 because I wear it all the way up to the waist (bleah) and it goes out from there.

Maybe?
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Probably so.

Which could be a solution -- start wearing skirts. [Wink]
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
I'd die.
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
I don't know if women's jeans have the option, but you might try a man's "relaxed fit" or even "loose fit".

-Trevor
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
I wish, but men's jeans aren't made for folks with hips. [Wink]
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Die? O_o

Why, would the drafts cause you to catch consumption?
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
Yes.
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Huh. I always thought you got consumption from inadequate bodices. [Dont Know]
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Mack, where have you been looking for yur jeans? Try Lands End, which has a whole bevvy of different shapes of them. (Is it Lands end or LL Bean) I think it is Lands End, as they also have a tone of bathing suit styles, which you probably also have trouble getting to fit comfortably.

JC Penney hs some awesome stretch jeans, have you tried those?
 
Posted by Myr (Member # 5956) on :
 
"Long" bathing suits (even at LLBean) are never long enough [Grumble]

Mack, you and I seem to have the same exact clothing issues [Smile]
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Have you tried Lands End, Myr?
 
Posted by Myr (Member # 5956) on :
 
Hmmmmm, if I've found a place to try them on then I have, I always get it confused with LLBean and Eddie Bauer so I'm not entirely sure.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
I think Penneys carries Lands End now. Their catalogue is known for its variety of swimsuit shapes.
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Eddie Bauer has closed business, I believe. LL Bean and Land's End are both catalog sales (I believe).

http://www.landsend.com/

http://www.llbean.com/

http://www.eddiebauer.com/eb/default.asp

Apparently I was wrong - maybe just the retail stores closed? Or perhaps just the ones in Atlanta.

-Trevor
 
Posted by Myr (Member # 5956) on :
 
Hmmmmm..... good to know! I'm in desperate need of a bathing suit, I think I might be raiding the local Penney's soon [Evil]
 
Posted by Leonide (Member # 4157) on :
 
Myr- that gives me hope, thanks.

Except that *my* moral support comes in the form of my boyfriend who weighs less than me (not by much, but it's there) and has a metabolism like a ....what was the phrase Zal used? A jackrabbit on meth? And so our house is stuffed to the brim with potatoes, pasta, rice, sugary snacks...etc.

Why I don't already think i'm doomed is beyond me!

But i'm off to make my very first SouthBeach-friendly meal...a red and green pepper omelette!!
 
Posted by Myr (Member # 5956) on :
 
Oh that sounds good!

Good luck!
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Leonide,
I dined with two South Beachers last night. A lovely califlower cheese thing, and stuffed sole.
And red wine. red wine is a South Beach thing, and I have also decided it is a Weight Watchers Core Food.
If you can get your love to agree to switch all those pastas for whole wheat, you will be golden. Even my Wonder Bread-eating mate has agreed,and has enjoyed some of the creations I have made.
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
Except Myr is a foot taller--I don't have the height to have these issues!

I also really, really dislike stretch jeans. [Frown]
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Mack, they look and feel like regular jeans, they are just stretchy. I love them. Are you thinking of some fashionable jobs? Cuz I don't really understand fashion. These are just Levis-looking jeans.
 
Posted by babager (Member # 6700) on :
 
ugh.. had a very fattening week in Texas.. gained 2 lbs!!!
 
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
 
I have solved my jeans and pants dilemma by working out that I owe everything to hipsters.

Everything that is fitted at the waist does not fit me - if it's good ove rmy hips then I can't even get the buttons to meet, let alone do up.

If it fits on my waist, the jeans extend about 5 inches away from my hips and give me a sort of shoulder-pads on my thighs look.

If pants are fitted on my hips, they fit me. And that is good. [Smile]

Mack - I know there are some brands out there cut for the classic hips-waist figure. Can't think of what they are though. Not much help!
 
Posted by mothertree (Member # 4999) on :
 
:gives imogen a wedgie: [Big Grin]

I've decided to start measuring myself in metric. Sure the weight will appear to "come off" slower. Unless I include the decimals. Fractionals in poundage always seemed so lame anyway. But I guess I should figure my height there too, for the odd person who does know metric.
 
Posted by Coccinelle (Member # 5832) on :
 
Week 2 on WW- down 6.6 lbs total. I'm really doing it this time. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Core or Flex, Coccinelle?
 
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
quote:
I think Penneys carries Lands End now. Their catalogue is known for its variety of swimsuit shapes.
I would be surprised if Penney's carries Lands' End, unless Penney's is a part of Sears (I seriously lose track of these mergers).

Lands' End was bought by Sears not too long ago, and you can find a limited selection of Lands' End clothing at Sears stores. The catalog has a much better selection, though. (JaneX and I have been basically using what is available in Sears stores to check out sizing - which is better and cheaper than the old method of mail-ordering a size and then sending it back for exchange when it doesn't fit.)
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Oh, it probably was Sears, then.
 
Posted by Myr (Member # 5956) on :
 
Ohhhhh

Good job Coccinelle!
 
Posted by Coccinelle (Member # 5832) on :
 
Elizabeth- I'm doing flex, but trying to incorporate the core concepts and I'm hoping to ease over to the core in the next few weeks since I know that counting like this is going to make me too obsessed with food.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Well, it is definitely easier to "cheat" on Core, but I am trying not to think of it as cheating anymore. I just buy my wine with dinner with my Curves session and/or walk, and have good bread hen I feel like it.
When you get to Core, I made a really good omelet yestrady, using fat free sour cream and salsa as the filling. I put black olives on the side, but next time they will go in the middle as well.
Are you on the Etools? I am, and there are great recipes. I can email you some if you want. Or send me a recipe you make/like a lot, and I will put it in the calculator to see how many points it is.
Good luck!
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Well, for the last couple of days, I have reduced the amount of meat, and increased the amount of vegetables, in my Core Plan ways. I felt the difference after one day. So I have now decided to count meat as points, even chicken. (not eggs, though)
 
Posted by Allegra (Member # 6773) on :
 
I went to Hawaii over spring break and I gained 5 pounds. [Frown] I feel pretty crappy. I hope to get back on the wagon this week and start losing again.
 
Posted by ChaosTheory (Member # 7069) on :
 
I lost about 25 pounds in seventh grade when I joined the wrestling team, and since then I've continued wrestling but I've seen a lot of people have to rapidly gain or loose weight, not to healthy but it works. To lose weight just cut out most sugars from your diet, eat a lot of cereal, cut down on most other things except fruit, and the key part...MULTIVITAMINS. When my uncle (he's a dietician/chiropractor) first gave me some I immediatley felt much more energenic, and your body metabolism and chemical levels go to what the should be so your body breaks down fats and other substances much better.
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
Hey, congrats, Coccinelle! [Smile]

((Allegra)) I know the feeling. I gained over spring break as well (silly WenchCon!). But, hey, as soon as it gets warm, we should walk together. [Smile]
quote:
To lose weight just [...]
Any sentence that begins with this is immediately suspect to me.
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
On a related note, why is it that I can have a perfectly healthy breakfast that should be plenty filling, but I'm hungry again an hour and a half later? [Wall Bash]
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Try eating oatmeal, Megan. It fills me up for hours. Or, maybe you need more preotein in the morning. Some poeple do.

I agree with the "just..." comments. There is so much more to the whole weight baggage than "just."
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
I'm trying the yogurt and granola thing, since I really like how it tastes. That way, I get fiber, protein, and calcium. I also had a banana.

So, about 9, when I was hungry again, I had a piece of low-fat string cheese. Tasty! But...still hungry. I swear, I feel like I have a tapeworm. [Razz]

I've tried oatmeal before; I'm thinking more protein is the answer, but I can't figure out how to do that without eating mega-points in the morning.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Well, switch to Core for the morning! ha ha.
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
Egg whites? Egg beaters?
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
Heehee...tempting, but I would probably eat my weight in whatever breakfast foods are core. Nah, I'll figure something out.

Maybe I'll start *gasp* cooking again! Break out the egg-beaters. [Smile]

Edit: Exactly, mack! I just usually don't have time at all to cook in the morning. Maybe I'll start pre-making things and freezing them, or something.

[ March 23, 2005, 09:42 AM: Message edited by: Megan ]
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Megan, you can make scrambled eggs in the microwave. Very easy.
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
Do tell... [Big Grin]

I'm pretty much an idiot in the kitchen. I've had a few cooking successes, but they're far outweighed by the failures (I once gave my husband food poisoning, for example).
 
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
 
I gained back all the weight I had lost these last months. 4 kilograms. [Wall Bash]
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Megan, just scramble hoever many eggs or egg whites together in a bowl. Microwave on high for about thirty seconds. Stir. Microwave again. Stir again if it needs it. If you do not stir, they will end up sort of like an omelet, also good.

I made a fab omelet the other day with fat free sour cream and salsa. The fat free sour cream is a nice substitute for cheese in omelets and burritos.

I also bought some fat free feta chesse and it is very good. I love pasta with feat, tomatoes, and a bit of fresh basil. Just chop the fresh tomato, and the hot pasta cooks it a little bit.

My husband and son are on board with whole wheat pasta and brown rice. My daughter is a white flour gal all the way.
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
That sounds good; I'll get some eggbeaters on the way home tonight and give it a whirl tomorrow morning. The not-stirring thing sounds like it would make a perfect egg-round-y type thing for a breakfast sandwich.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Megan, I cannot attest to the success of this with Eggbeaters! The main thing is just to watch carefully, as the eggs cook quickly.
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
Ok, thanks. [Smile]
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Alle, did you have a good time in Havaii?

Assuming the answer is "yes", then don't worry about it. The point of losing weight is to, say it with me, help you enjoy life.

If you'd skimped on your vacation by trying to mind every nibble, you would have been defeating the larger purpose - to enjoy life.

And really? How many times do you get to enjoy Havaii?

Besides, I know Megan would enjoy having a walking partner. [Big Grin]

-Trevor
 
Posted by Allegra (Member # 6773) on :
 
I did have a good time. Now that I think about it some of the weight might be from muscle. I swam in the ocean a lot and I could feel it in my arm muscles everytime I got out of the water. Thanks for the cheering up. [Kiss]

I ate fairly well today. I hope the rest of the week goes as well or better.
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
That's the other drawback to just monitoring the scale - it doesn't distinguish between muscle and fat. [Big Grin]

Good for you!

-Trevor
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
So, I tried the microwave thing with egg beaters, and it works very well. I had an excellent sausage egg and cheese sandwich this morning with egg beaters, 2% cheese, morningstar farms "sausage", and WW bread...4 points! And didn't get hungry until 11:30! Score! [Smile]

And thanks for the advice, Elizabeth! [Smile]

[ March 24, 2005, 04:34 PM: Message edited by: Megan ]
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
I'm glad it worked out! In fact, i was thinking of you yesterday as I was buying eggs. I was hoping there was not an eggsplosion in your microwave. Phew.
 
Posted by Lady Jane (Member # 7249) on :
 
I have been doing good all week. I had scrambled eggs for breakfast, but made it with one full egg and two egg whites, so lots of volume without added yolks. Then, an orange and in Instant Breakfast. I HAVE to eat breakfast.

Lunch was not so good. I eat in the lunchroom here at work, and there's usually a healthy choice, but today the only thing healthy was straight salad, since the "entrees" were spaghetti and garlic bread or else Frito nachos. I like salad, but it doesn't fill me up and I'm starving later, so I have to have something substantial. I got the spaghetti, but didn't get dessert. THat's...not good, but it's not as horrible as it has been, so Katie-stop-eating-junk is still well on its way.
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
Good for you, Katie! [Smile]

Oh, and I totally sympathize with this:
quote:
I like salad, but it doesn't fill me up and I'm starving later, so I have to have something substantial.
I always PLAN to have just a salad, and then an hour and a half later, I'm monstrously hungry again.

And, Elizabeth, there was a minor eggsplosion, but it was confined to the container, and only served to freak the dogs out. I used too much egg-beater, though, so my sandwich had a rather large proportion of egg to other material. I'll have to cut back on that tomorrow.
 
Posted by mothertree (Member # 4999) on :
 
So what are folks doing for exercise? I used to have a dedicated walking buddy, but she is having a baby so she's always tired.
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
I am elliptical-trainer-ing. I have an occasional workout buddy, but her current plan is to go when the gym opens at 5 AM every day. I cannot do that. I require more sleep than that. So, I'm going with her 2-3 days a week and going on my own the other days.

Today, I, uh, took a mental health day from the gym.

*sigh* I just couldn't face the sweating today.
 
Posted by Lady Jane (Member # 7249) on :
 
Hmm...all those people singing the praises of weight-training weren't kidding. I was horribly sore on Saturday, but even just doing thirty minutes of cardio and weights 2 or 3 times a week, it makes more a difference than when I was doing cardio alone four or five times a week.

Not that I look any different, or weigh any less, but I think I'm shaped slightly differently. That's nice. Most importantly, exercise improves my mood. I did it when I was sort of depressed, and it raised me to normal. Since I'm normal/happy now, it raises me to giddy. Yay!

[ March 29, 2005, 01:36 PM: Message edited by: Lady Jane ]
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Woo-hoo! Another convert who has seen the light! [Big Grin]

-Trevor

Edit: P.S. It's just a head rush - it'll pass. [Big Grin]

[ March 29, 2005, 01:50 PM: Message edited by: TMedina ]
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
My latest plan is: Curves and 2 mile walk MWF, and a long walk(4 miles) on T and TH. Then I collapse into napdom. Exercise does not energize me like it used to, because of the illness, I guess. Usually, a walk would get me going.
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Your body has to recover Liz - one doesn't just hop up after a bout of illness and the lingering effects may take longer still to recover from.

Take your time and work on it - the flesh will catch up with the spirit sooner or later. [Big Grin]

-Trevor
 
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
 
Prevention magazine just had a great article and plan on how to work up to walking a marathon (with a daily plan over several months to get up to walking 26 miles).

I like their plan and would love to do it -- but I can see it being a real time hogger. I mean, 30 minutes to an hour a day walking isn't a big deal. But once you work up to 10, 12, 15, or 20 miles for a day -- that takes a LOT of time.

I mean - if it takes 6+ hours to RUN a marathon -- just how long does it take to walk it?

Farmgirl
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Farmgirl, I used to have a great site training me for a 5K run. I sprained my ankle on day 2, but that is another story. I will try to track it down(so to speak) if you want.

Trevor, you are right, and I know it. The neurologist said my brain will lead the way, and that is that. So, I take advantage of the ability to nap, since I am not working. There is no way I could have survived standing up all day, and the nap-afte-exercise thing reminds me of that.

Farmgirl, I had a great telephone pole training plan last year. The poles are not uniformly didtant, but it is still a good way to build in intervals. Just pick a route, and run from telephone pole to telephone pole, increasing the number of rums until you are running the whole time(if you want to be) I physically can't run yet. It is the weirdest thing. But I can do jumping jacks!
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Some people might say you should enjoy a good nap on its own merits. [Big Grin]

-Trevor
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
The naps are like none I have ever taken. Usually, I am still sort of aware of everything, but with these babies, I am out cold. Instead if waking up groggy and irritable, I wae up flly refreshed, like I used to after my little fifteen minute under-and-up naps.

I have a feeling I am overdoing it a bit on the exercise, as some weird things are happening that haven;t for a while. So, I think it is either Curves or walk, not both. Not for a while.
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Take it slow Liz - you'll have plenty of time to abuse yourself later.

-Trevor
 
Posted by Allegra (Member # 6773) on :
 
I had a great day at the Y today. I was kicking butt on the eliptical and the bike. [Smile]

I splurged a little on Easter. I ate a lot of Easter candy. I am not feeling too bad about it. I am about 5 pounds away from my original goal, but I have changed the goal to 5 pounds less so I have a little to go. 53 days until prom, 10 pounds to lose. I think I can do it.

And maybe even wear a two-peice this summer. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Allegra (Member # 6773) on :
 
I was just wondering how everyone else is doing.
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Good job Alle!

-Trevor
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Badly this week.
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
Did not gain weight at BobnDanaFest, so that's good. However, did not lose weight either, unlike every other Hatrack get together. I'm blaming the cheesecake. And the Legacy chocolates. And Steve's yummy cooking/restaurant suggestions.

Also, did not excercise today, because I had insomnia last night and then woke up too late to do anything but run to work. Am at class tonight and won't get home until after ten. I guess I could work out then, but that doesn't sound like fun at all. Does just lifting a few weights count as working out? I think I could do that, I just don't want to jump around.

I've decided to try and channel my OCD into this. [Razz] I think I need to upgrade my gym membership.
 
Posted by Allegra (Member # 6773) on :
 
Thanks Trevor!

I am a bit discouraged because I haven't lost any wieght for a while. I have notice a loss of fat and a gain in muscle, but it is still discouraging to not see the scale change.

Kat: I think that doing a little bit of whatever you can get yourself to do is always a good idea. 10min of walking is better then 10 min of couch potatoing.

Megan: Now that it is getting nice I think we should do the walk we have been talking about. Have you heard of rails to trails? I think we should walk the whole thing one afternoon and then eat something wonderful. I would even be willing to pack a picnic or something.
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Pfft - don't make me take a hammer to your scale.

Ignore the numbers - instead, notice how your clothes fit.

Fixate on the scale and you'll lose the forest for the trees.

-Trevor
 
Posted by mothertree (Member # 4999) on :
 
Farmgirl- if you're still reading this, xnera's landmark included a walking marathon. I think it was in Scotland or something crazy like that.

I want to get back in to strength training. Isn't there some way I can do that and Hatrack? Like, I need a 3 lb. mouse or something.
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
*snicker* Take a lesson from lonely geeks - type with one hand and do bicep curls with the other. [Big Grin]

Bicep curls, hammer curls, reverse preachers, side shoulder raises, overhead presses and possibly tricep kickbacks.

So yes, it's possible. [Wink]

You might also consider "active sitting" by using a balance ball while you surf.

-Trevor
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
How is everyone doing?

It has happened to me. I am "in the zone." Why it happens, I will never know. Three is no way I can prepare myself for it, it just happens. I have started and restarted Weight Watcher's a bunch of times this year, convncing myself that wine should be free, that whole wheat bread is a Core Food, and various other self-sabotaging things.

Now, I am in. I want to feel this way. I want to get my athletic body of old back. It was not so long ago, really, ten years.

I have been going to Curves and walking, but I was doing that a few weeks ago, too. Now, I am in. It is so weird. I wish there was a pill I could take to get this. it is nopt like pills they have out there, with speed or whatever in them. Nope, this is the "I want this, I like this, and I am going to do this" feeling I haven;t had for so long.
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
*sneaks in to thread with much shame*

crappy. [Frown] I've basically given up until this semester is over.

I'm planning on rebooting the program once the semester is over, though. I think I'm going to do the online program, though, since the weekly meeting here were driving me INSANE.

Ok.

*sneaks out of thread again*
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Megan,
Good idea to just wait until you are done. Students need more comfort food than points allow.

As for the online, I would just getthe ETools number from your meeting, and sign up. Then, just drop out of the meetings and keep track with eTools. It is so much fun. (I like gimmicks, they help me.) You just need to find a reliable scale, and promise to only weigh in once a week.
 
Posted by docmagik (Member # 1131) on :
 
I'm down another pound, bring the total to 26 since the start of the year. I'm currently 236, with 16 more pounds to hit my mid-year goal, and another 20 pounds more to hit my end-of-year goal.
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
Elizabeth, that would mean going back and weighing in again...scary! (and I'd have to rejoin, too, since it's been appr. 2 months since I've been to a meeting). I am going to go out and get a quality scale, though.

I may go to a meeting that wasn't my usual one, bite the bullet and weigh in, get the e-tools number, and then take off.

*ponders*
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
docmajik, awesome!!!

Megan, that would work, and be cheaper, unless you have to pay a registration fee. It is ten bucks a month for ETools.
 
Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
 
I'm down 28 pounds (as of yesterday's weigh-in) since January. That appears to be right around my "I'm ready to post the information now" loss amount, since when I posted back on page 2 I was down 27. I started 4 pounds heavier this time, though, so I'm actually up.

I've also gone from benching 80 pounds and being in great pain for days (and peeing brown -- and, granted, I did more than just the bench press) to benching 235 (only one rep, mind you) and being in only mild pain for a few minutes. And my pee is just fine. Er, normal, anyway. This (the weight lifting, not the pee) indicates that of those pounds that I still have, likely more is muscle and less is fat, so overall I'm probably in much better shape this time than last.

I could still lose another 10-15 pounds, though. That would be ok.

--Pop
 
Posted by Allegra (Member # 6773) on :
 
I am in the orchestra pit for a musical and I have rehearsals every night this week. I also have an orchestra competition on Friday. I have been eating way too much, but I worked out sunday, tuesday, and will again today. Maybe I won't gain that much weight from this stress eating.

Megan: There is a 5k walk/run 3 weeks from Saturday. I would be willing to walk or run. Do you want to join me? The money goes for the school to help kids with learning disabilities.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
11.5, 11.5!!! I am down 11.5!!

I am still in the zone. Don't know how I got here, but here I am.
 
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
 
Yay! (haha, and thats my birthday too!)
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Congrats Liz! [Big Grin]

-Trevor
 
Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
 
*bump per request*
 
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
 
Brown pee?!

*ick*

I bought a pedometer yesterday (I too like gadgets).

I walked 10 084 steps. My goal is around 10 000 every day.

I've decided I have to think about this as *getting fit* not *losing weight*. If I do it as weight loss, then I can self-justify - but I'm only a size eight! But everyone gains weight in their early twenties! But I was really skinny before! (Incidentally, all are pretty much bull.)

However, I am really unfit. And I know that. And it's much harded to pretend otherwise.

So hopefully that will be better motivation.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
OK, so here is the thing with weight gain and loss for me:

I am totally on a roll, and for whatever reason, after ten years, I am ready to do this. I am in the zone.

I have avoided people for ten years, knowing they would think(or, if they were my grandmothers, say) that I was sooo fat. What had happened to the Liz they knew who was thin, and ran around playing soccer?

But if I lose all this weight, I will have to contnd with the people who know me as fat. And that, in a lot of ways, is much harder. Why??? Why am I worried about this? It should be a good thing, right, to be back to what I see myself as being(physically)? Even though the people who know me as Fat Liz love me as just being Liz, I am more afraid of what they will think of me as thin than I am of what people I knew long ago thinking of me as fat.

So what is up with that?
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Fear of the unknown.

You know how people think of you as the "Fat" Liz - you're not sure what people will think of you as "Thin" Liz.

That uncertainty is what gives you pause because you're afraid they won't like the "new, thin Liz" as much as the earlier model.

It's not completely irrational - people tend to feel the same way when contemplating drastic changes to clothes or hair and I am told, cosmetic surgery.

-Trevor
 
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
 
quote:
What had happened to the Liz they knew who was thin, and ran around playing soccer?
I get the same EXACT thing from my relatives [Smile]
 
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
 
It's finals time. I pay no attention to how I look or what I eat. Seriously. I'm walking around in week old clothes, unshaven, uncombed, with a busted lip and no contacts. I've been eating week old cake because there's nothing left to eat and the entire apartment has lost the willpower to keep living with dignity. Trash is everywhere.

The center cannot hold.

So, basically, my fruit-and-vegetable rich diet is not working out so well.

Summer, as usual, is my thin ray of hope.
 
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
 
So I didn't walk 10 000 steps. But I did do half an hour of strength training with free weights (2 kg. I am embarrasingly weak).

So that's good. And tomorrow, I walk. [Smile]
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by imogen:
So I didn't walk 10 000 steps. But I did do half an hour of strength training with free weights (2 kg. I am embarrasingly weak).

So that's good. And tomorrow, I walk. [Smile]

You are not "embarassingly weak."

The scale is, say it with me, subjective and relative.

Unless you want biceps the size of someone's head, in which case - yes, you are weak. [Taunt]

-Trevor
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TMedina:
Fear of the unknown.

You know how people think of you as the "Fat" Liz - you're not sure what people will think of you as "Thin" Liz.

That uncertainty is what gives you pause because you're afraid they won't like the "new, thin Liz" as much as the earlier model

-Trevor

Well, I am not really concerned that they won't like me, just that they won't believe I am really thin, but see me as a fat person pretending to be thin. Or something. I don't know, it is very weird, this self image business.
 
Posted by margarita (Member # 6856) on :
 
Elizabeth -

I had a similar sort of thing when I lost 40 lbs a couple years ago. I'd been Fat Me for a long time - actually, I hadn't been in shape or thin since I was a child.

I don't really know whether people think of me as pretending to be thin now (and I'm not SKINNY - I'm fit and plenty curvy still). Then again, I've maintained my weight for a couple of years, so they're starting to get used to Thin Me.

And even if they do think I'm pretending to be thin...well, I don't really care. When I was fat, I always felt like I was pretending to be something I wasn't - like I was really fit and thin inside, but somehow I'd got stuffed into the wrong body. Being healthy and exercising and eating good food and looking nice all feel Right to me, so it doesn't really matter if other people have problems with it. Their 'problems' probably don't have all that much to do with me, but with themselves.

It might be a little weird while you're losing the weight, but your self-image will probably change along the way. You'll get where you want to be, in both respects. [Smile]
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Thanks.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Eighteen pounds down today!
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
[The Wave]
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
WOOOOT!

Good job Lizzie!

-Trevor
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Thanks. It totally surprised me, because I have not been really following WW. I have just been working my a** off in the house and garden. Ye olde Amish diet.
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
*grins* That is the secret to life - hard work and enjoying life. [Big Grin]

-Trevor
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
That sounds like my grandmother. My dad retired from teaching a few weeks ago after 45 years. She aske: "What does he want to do that for? What will he do now?"

Farmers never retire, I suppose. They just die. That is pretty much when they stop working.
 
Posted by Allegra (Member # 6773) on :
 
During the last few weeks of the school year I went from exercising 5 times a week and eating really well, to not doing any of that. I am about 6 pounds heavier then I was before. I do not feel like I need to lose more then those 6 pounds, but I do feel kind of yucky right now. Now that things have finally calmed down I started getting back into excercise and reasonable eating today. I am going to try to make it stick.
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
S'why I suggested hitting the local PhysEd building and checking out their class selection.

Find something fun and you'll stick with it - and it's a great way to socialize.

-Trevor
 
Posted by Allegra (Member # 6773) on :
 
Yeah, I am planning on taking a class when I get there. That way I will only have to go a couple of times a week on my own. The only thing I don't like about college rec. centers is that they always seem to be meat markets. Maybe Valdosta will be different but somehow I am doubting it.
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
College function + students = meat market.

That's just the way of the world. More than three single people in any one place? Meat market.

Granted, some places are worse than others, but avoid the "peak preening" hours and you should be fine.

-Trevor
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Hey, Trevor, you would make a really good diet/exercise coach.
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
*snicker* Take a look at some of my photos from the WenchCon thread.

It's easy to talk the walk, but not so much to walk the talk.

But thank you for the compliment. [Big Grin]

-Trevor
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
OK, then.
Online coach. Ha ha.

Still, a good carpenter whose own porch is falling down is still a good carpenter, right?
 
Posted by Allegra (Member # 6773) on :
 
I have started excercising with friends and I think it really helps. I have worked out longer then I usually do and I have done all of the stretching and warming up that I am supposed to do but never do.

Maybe I can find a work out buddy in my aerobics class next year.
 
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
 
quote:

Still, a good carpenter whose own porch is falling down is still a good carpenter, right?

Yes, but who's gonna hire him?

Since I started working over a year ago, I have pretty much abandoned my old "weights 4 days a week, cardio of some sort 5 days a week" program in favor of my new "weights maybe 1 day a week and basketball maybe 2-3 times a week" program.

The secret, as many of you know, and I rediscovered, is that diet is more important than exercise. I cut my portions way down, eliminated unhealthy snacking (although this is the area I'm most likely to backslide in), and when I cook, it's mostly fat-free stuff. I try to go about 50/50 carbs/protein and avoid saturated fat and sugar wherever possible. It seems to be working.

I never weigh myself anymore (I go purely by what I look like in the mirror) and I thought I was maintaining pretty well, maybe toning a little. But I've heard repeatedly, from a lot of different people, how skinny I look. I ignored them (after you lose 40 pounds, you get that for years), but then I went to a buddy's wedding a few weeks ago and my suit was loose. Not just loose but loose in the collar. I figure if my neck got smaller in the last 6 months, I must be losing some weight.

So in closing, my current system seems to be working, and it's something I can sustain indefinitely.
 
Posted by Allegra (Member # 6773) on :
 
quote:
The secret, as many of you know, and I rediscovered, is that diet is more important than exercise.
I don't know if I would say diet is more important then excercise. I think if you do not do a lot of one you have to do more of the other to compensate. I would think only cutting back on portions and unhealthy foods a little and excercising a lot would work too. It is just easier to eat less and better then it is to excercise all of the time.
 
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
 
Trust me, I've tried both extremes.

Eating unhealthy and working out like crazy, I never lost weight.

On the other hand, eating healthy and never working out, I lost weight.

I didn't say that diet is waaay more important, but it has been my experience that it is more important, maybe 60/40 (although for me it's probably closer to 65/35).
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Again, The Amish diet explains it all. you can eat what you want if you burn it off. The average Amish person was taking thousands more steps per day than most of us do who are not doing physical labor.

Most workouts in a gym do not burn as many calories as people think they do. One woman at Curves said she went so she could eat ice cream, and did not understand why she was still feeling chubby.

A Curves workout is 3 WeightWatchers points. A double dip cone is about 8 WW points. (It is easier for me to do WW pts than calories, but it turns out to be similar in the end)
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
Ok...since this thread got bumped, I'll stick my nose in.

*starts singing "Back in the Saddle Again"*

I did deep water aerobics last night with a friend, and it was positively inspiring! I mean, it was exercise that was actually fun!

So, I'm gonna start watching what I eat carefully again. I'm studying for qualifying exams right now, so we'll see how long that lasts, but eh, at least I'll start trying.

And, CONGRATULATIONS on all the lost pounds to people who lost when I was...uh...avoiding this thread. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
As Liz so adeptly noted, just because you exercise like crazy is not complete license to go nuts with your diet.

Just one Big Mac meal takes an absurd amount of time to burn off. Are you putting in that much time at the gym? Probably not.

A reasonable diet and moderate exercise will do more for you than either extreme of great diet/no exercise or bad diet/too much exercise.

And you have to factor in the relative intensity of your workouts - going full steam seven days a week is nuts for anyone except, possibly, professional athletes and even then I have to wonder.

-Trevor
 
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
 
I exercise for a minimum of a half hour per evening---behind a push lawn mower.

FG
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
You know, Farmgir, yopu've got me thinking.

People are making money on the crazy-stupidest exercise programs. Tae Bo. Spinning(um, biking, anyone?) Not stupid, but, you know, making simple things complicated.

So, we could save small farmers and keep people fit at the same time. Develop the Farmer's Exercise Plan. Mucking stalls to build the back muscles. Hoist bales for the thighs and upper arms/back. Etc. Farms could charge people 300 bucks a year for the privelege of orking their butts off.

First, you would have to do an infomercial. Are you up for it?

Farmerobics.
 
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
 
Farmerobics could be huge.

You could have rich idiots pay you to come out and screw up your farm work. I don't think many would stick with it.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
But it wouldn't matter, El JT de S, the farmers would get their money, and be able to afford new, uh, exercise equipment.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Wow, it has been a while!

Here you go, Raia!

This thread is sort of scary to me, because if IO look back at my posts, I can track how very up and down my weght loss has been.

I am down a size, and have given away all my clothes that are too big. This way, I have nothing to get into to be comfortable if I start to slip up again.

I feel soooooo much better.
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Yeah. I've been up and down, too. :-\

Currently, I'm in a not-down state. [Frown]
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Ic, I really wish I could bottle up the formula for "being in the zone." I would give you a bottle, for free.
 
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
 
Okay, I did it.

.

I joined a health club/fitness place.

I meet with my "personal trainer" tomorrow after work for my first, free, consultation to begin my regimen.

It's expensive, but, hey -- what is health worth? right? (That's what I'm telling myself).

And I'm trying to NOT focus on weight loss -- I'm trying to focus on getting more fit, having more energy, increasing breathing skills (for choir), etc.

And getting back to the point I can easily run five miles per day like I used to. Maybe even someday further than that.

Wish me luck.

FG
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
quote:
It's expensive, but, hey -- what is health worth? right?
It is DEFINITELY worth it. Congratulations! [Smile] [Smile] Do everything your trainer tells you to do. [Smile]

Good luck!
 
Posted by Goody Scrivener (Member # 6742) on :
 
Assuming your trainer actually tells you anything...

I joined Bally's several years back. They were close to my office, I was really motivated, and I'd gotten a nice raise that would well more than cover the cost. The membership included 6 sessions with a personal trainer at no additional cost. At every single session, I specifically told the trainer that I wanted a detailed and written exercise plan. What machines to do on what days, how many reps, what weights to start at, how to tell when I should increase weight, etc. He instead spent the entire first session taking measurements (well, okay, it makes sense to have a starting set) and pushing nutritional supplements. The next five sessions were spent teaching me how to use the machines (LifeFitness electronic doodads) but nothing about my particular plan. At the end of the sixth session, I asked yet again for my personalized plan, and was told "well, you'll need to sign up for *this* other package". *THUD*

My motivation drained rather quickly after that point and I ended up wasting a heckuvalot of money as a result. When my two year committment ended, I was rather loud and clear in telling their customer service reps who insisted on calling me weekly to get me to renew exactly why I wasn't renewing, and demanded that they take my information out of their computers. Yesterday I got a notice in the mail begging me to come back again. They should never have even had this address..... I'm quite ticked off at them...

I really really hope my situation was abnormal and that you get what you need.
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
I don't want to be discouraging. The couple thousand bucks I spent at Bally's were some of the worst dollars I ever spent. I decided very quickly it wasn't for me, but I couldn't get my money back. So I spent a couple of thousand (because I got a joint membership for Cor and me) and between the two of us, we went maybe a dozen times, probably less. Pretty pricey! [Embarrassed] But different things work for different people, so I wish you more luck than I had with it. However, you might want to know what your options are if you change you mind: are you just screwed, or is there a plan that gives you a way out.

Going along with what Goody said, though, one day I was in one of their offices waiting for something or other, and I saw one of those dry-erase boards used to communicate things to your own employees. It reminded them that they did not get any commission at all on sales that did not include nutritional supplements. So that's why they're going to push those like crack dealers. So--unless for some reason you want cra^h^h^hnutritional supplements--stick to your guns. They will be aggressive, but it's just themn trying to do what they're told by management to do.

-o-

I'm back on the wagon today. This time will be the time. [Smile]
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
I hate Bally's. I tried signing up there, but they kept pushing me to sign a three-year contract. When you read the fine print, you are paying for all three years at one fell swoop and then "borrowing" the money from them and paying it back in installments, at 20% interest. After I refused to sign it, they wouldn't refund my $100 sign up fee until I demanded to see a manager. A year later, they started charging my credit card $55 a month, despite me never signing anything. I had to catch it, and they only refunded what they had stolen from me (it is stealing - I never used the gym a day there) after I threw an absolute fit.

However, I have joined 24 Hour Fitness and I love it. I've had nothing but good experiences there. My complementary trainer was wonderful, and at the first session DID give me a detailed excercise plan. If you have a choice and there's a 24 Hour Fitness nearby, I reccomend them. You can join all at once or month by month. A year contract is cheaper, but you do have options.
 
Posted by andi330 (Member # 8572) on :
 
My employer has a gym and a trainer on site in the building for $15/month. WooHoo!
 
Posted by krynn (Member # 524) on :
 
i was diagnosed as having type I diabetes in mid March of this year. i was 195 pounds then. now from dieting and excercising (in hopes of not dying young), i have lost about 35-40 pounds. im right around the 155-160 range now. The only thing i miss about being heavier is that its harder to keep finding a place to take my insulin since im so lean now.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
I do Curves, and I walk. Curves is great because it is fast, and I can go there on my way home from work.
 
Posted by Allegra (Member # 6773) on :
 
I have just started to take advantage of my rec center at school. I have gone twice this week and plan to go again tomorrow. I feel like I am easing into the grove. I hope it sticks. I am well on my way to the freshman fifteen and I am not enjoying it.
 
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
 
Liz, have you found that Curves has been very effective for you? My grandmother just went to her new doc for an introductory checkup and he said she looked pretty good to him. She winked and told him it was all those workouts at Curves. She's 93 and goes 3 times a week.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Yes, it is very effective. I am used to more of a hardcore workout, but it is great for toning. It would be excellent for the elderly, though I would caution against going too often. Some people who go too often get joint pain. I had bursitis last year.

Now that I am getting in shape, I tend to go faster, or do one extra time around the circuit, or go for a walk afterwards.

It was perfect for me last year when I needed physical therapy.
 
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
 
Well, luckily I joined a locally-owned gym, not a huge nation-wide chain.

Had my first meeting with my personal trainer last night. She was great. She did all kinds of measurements and range of motion things with me to see what my current state is, and my body fat index, etc. (that was sad). And she is working me up a plan. I had planned on doing mostly cardio (treadmill or walkking/running or aerobics) but she wants me to add some weight training and stuff I have never tried before. (and she gave great dietary advice, that even though I already knew most of it, I wasn't doing it!)

My oldest son is going with me, so he is great motivation -- even though HIS body fat index is below readable levels (less than 4%!) -- and he is told to up his caloric intake and I'm supposed to greatly decrease mine. LOL

However I'm a little sore this morning. But I expect that for awhile.

FG

(is it a bad omen for my exercise program that this is post #666 in this thread???) [Eek!]

[ October 27, 2005, 11:38 AM: Message edited by: Farmgirl ]
 
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
 
oh man! I think my personal trainer is trying to kill me. A slow, painful death.

I had no idea that quadriceps could hurt so bad. Or that I use them so much in everyday life.

rising and lowering into a chair is painful!

[Smile]
FG
 
Posted by Allegra (Member # 6773) on :
 
I had not gotten to the Rec center this semester until last week. I went for my third time yesturday and I am back on the wagon as far as eating well. I am not exactly sure how much I wieght I have gained this summer and semester, but I am glad that I am finally feeling prepared to turn it in the other direction.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Intuitive eating:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051204/ap_on_he_me/fit_intuitive_eating

I like this guy.
 
Posted by Zeugma (Member # 6636) on :
 
It's taken me about three years of up-and-down-but-mostly-down weight loss, but I've gone from a BMI of 30 and "obese" to 32 pounds lighter and a BMI of 24.8, juuuust within the "healthy" range. That's the first time I've had a "healthy" weight since I was in junior high about 12 years ago. [Smile] I still have another 15 or 20 pounds to lose before I don't look overweight, but I've been looking forward to this milestone for a long, long time.

How's everyone else's efforts going? We're heading into a tough season, what with the cold weather and all the food-filled holidays, but stay strong! Nothing tastes as good as being healthy feels, right? [Smile]
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
I'm starting again. I haven't had a great summer between the need for chocolate and the upheavals, but my life has settled down and I'm too broke to do anything but go to the gym, so I'm hoping it will be okay. It has to be, because I can't afford to buy new clothes which means I need to reverse the trend and stay the size to fit my slim clothes.

I went to BodyPump class last night and today my quadriceps and gluteus muscles are killing me, so that's a good thing.

I actually started on this again not for the weight control but because I've been really bummed out the past few days and that scares me. I'm afraid of being depressed, and physical activity is one of the major things I can do to prevent that.
 
Posted by Katarain (Member # 6659) on :
 
I don't think I've participated in this thread before.

I have a goal to lose 21.5 more pounds by the end of November. That would make 50 pounds total since the end of last November. I have a doctor's appointment then, and for once in my life, I'd like to go down in size between appointments.

My plan is to stick to the Insulin Resistance Diet much more closely than I have, and to do some sort of aerobic exercise 20-30 minutes 3 times a week. I know I'd do better if I also did some light strength training, but I'll be doing good to get any exercise in at all.
 
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
 
I've done nothing physical since switching jobs. I've worked out maybe twice in the last month.

I really need to get an apartment and get settled.
 
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
 
Wow -- this thread is still on this page where I posted one year ago that I joined a fitness club.

...and today I cancelled that membership. Too expensive; not enough time to go by there.

Granted, I did go quite often during the winter months, but in summer there is too much to do at home to spend time at a gym.

Overall, though, it was a good experience. In between my diet changes and the gym and the farmwork, I have lost 40 pounds since I posted last year that I joined a fitness club. So that is good.

But I still have 20 to 25 more pounds to lose yet.

FG
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
Well yesterday was a good day. I took a pair of jeans fresh out of the dryer, when they're usually tighter because they've shrunk up some, and put them on....and then slid them right off my hips without unbuttoning them. Even fresh from the dryer they are too big. [Smile]

Course I have no idea how much weight I've lost because I don't own a scale, but I know that I continue to go down and last time I was at the doctor I had lost more than 30 pounds since I got diagnosed. I stopped losing weight when the chemo wiped me out so badly I stopped moving, and now that I'm back in school and walking the campus (it helps that my classes are very spread out) and taking stairs everywhere, I'm dropping more.

I'm still so very weak, though. I need to add a weight regimen to help build back my strength, I'm like the proverbial kitten right now, I lost all muscle deifnition I had (not that it was ever very much) when I went through chemo.
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
I more or less stopped posting in this thread after it became a source of shame to me. I lost about forty pounds over the months I posted here. I never really felt like I was getting less fat, although in hindsight I was. I have really bad self-image problems, and I can't see myself as others see me. I felt like nobody believed me when I said things like "I'm about the same weight I was when I got married!" My negativity made it hard to maintain my success. Compounded with that, two years ago I started teaching a class called Senior Project that involved a truly insane workload, and I was staying up until two or three every night. I needed to eat to stay awake. The past couple of years have been really stressful for me, and when I'm stressed I pack it on.

Just today, though, I was reflecting on how much better things have been in my work-life lately. I have achieved, lately, an equilibrium the likes of which I have never experienced before. Maybe now it's time to start caring about myself. Maybe eating less, maybe working out, maybe getting more sleep, maybe writing again. Maybe just one or two of those.

So I'm back where I started. I'm as fat as I've ever been at any point in my life.

And today, I'm starting again.

Wish me luck.
 
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
 
Good luck, Icky. [Smile]
 
Posted by Jhai (Member # 5633) on :
 
Good luck Icarus! I'm starting on a weight loss/get fit program too. My last two semesters of classes have been so hectic, and I've had reoccurring problems from damaged veins in my leg, so I just let exercising slip away from my daily routine...

Now (like, as of last week) I have a tennis class two times a week, and go with friends to the gym for cardio/weight lifting six times a week. I hope I can stick with it, as well as my dietary changes.
 
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
 
I got lazy on vacation. So I got a new routine, and I'm going to alternate them so that I don't get bored. Plus, the new routine can be done at school without venturing into the WEIGHT ROOM OF STEROID SCARY MEN WHO GRUNT!!!!, so that's a big plus. And I have a workout buddy, sort of.

I'm going to get ARMS, dangit. I mean it this time.

-pH
 
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
 
Good luck, Icky.

pH, you'll love having arms. Those things are some kinda useful. Great for picking up stuff.

And hitting people.
 
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
 
I measured my waist last night - it is over the marker for increased risk of heart disease etc.

So I really, really need to lose some weight - even if it's just enough to lose some of the belly fat and bring my cardiovascular risk down.

However, we are moving 3500 km interstate next Monday. I think I may hold off on a new exercise plan until then (although packing, it turns out, is quite strenuous!)
 
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
Go Icky! You can do it! YOu should come hang out with us over at spark people. [Smile] That group really helps me a lot and they remind me why I'm working.

I started a month ago today and I've only lost 8 pounds, but my pants are sliding off and I've lost 12 inches all over. Today was a major milestone: One of my students asked me if I had lost weight and I could say YES! She then followed it up with a "You look awesome." [Smile]

And so, I continue.
 
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
 
So I'm looking for advice a bit on some weight-loss stuff. I'd like to lose a little weight (10-15 pounds), although not tons. In the past, I've lost weight via just dieting, but I'm always rather unsatisfied (I'm a rather picky eater and most diet foods are either bland or unfulfilling). So I figured I would try this time augmenting my diet some but also getting in some exercise.

The problem is I'm insanely self-conscious (which I assume some of you already knew). This is particularly true in regards to exercising in front of other people. I always get this feeling that everyone's looking at me and like I'm not exercising the right way or something. I know I shouldn't be worrying about what other people think and the like, but it's difficult to get past when you do have a sort of negative self-image.

So I decided maybe I would try some exercise that I can do at home. Suggestions I've received thus far are yoga and buying some small dumbbells. I know nothing about yoga and how practical it is to do in your home (particularly with no instruction aside from DVDs or what not). So I thought to myself "Hey, there's some bright people on Hatrack. Maybe they'll have some ideas about exercise that I can do at home." The only thing I will say is I don't want to do anything that would make too much noise for the person who lives below me (I know I hate when the guy above me is being really loud). So yeah, please give me your suggestion Hatrack.
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Buy a used treadmill. I actively enjoy walking on mine, while listening to mp3s or watching TV or even, rarely, reading.
 
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
 
Any estimates how much would that cost and how much noise would it make for someone below me? I am on a semi-limited budget (hooray for being a college student).

EDIT: Slightly divergent. I heard about the Wii Sports exercise regimen, but I'm a little skeptical of how accurate that is. I do have a Wii though.
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Well, it would cost less than your Wii . . . [Wink]

I couldn't say if the noise will carry downstairs. How well are your apartments insulated? If the noise does carry, you could always work out during normal waking hours.
 
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
 
The apartments are pretty poorly insulated, so I think the noise would travel some. Also, looking around my room, it'd have to be a real small treadmill.

Any opinions on the dumbbells or yoga or anything?
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Good luck, Icarus.
I am with you in more ways than one.
I have managed to maintain my loss of one dress soze(pant size, I never wear dresses). But it is getting rather tight!
So, back to The Watch.
And back to The Planet, the Planet of Fitness.
Ic, let's lose our forty and drive to a midway point and have a drink together!
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
I would absolutely love to have a drink with you some day, Elizabeth. [Smile]

But I need to lose much more than forty pounds. Forty would just get me back to where I was at my best in this thread. [In this spot, I resisted the urge to post a sad smilie.]
 
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by El JT de Spang:
Good luck, Icky.

pH, you'll love having arms. Those things are some kinda useful. Great for picking up stuff.

And hitting people.

Hitting people?! Awesome! I wanna hit people!

-pH
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Icarus, if I lose forty pounds(and I need to lose more as well) by next New Year's, I am coming down to see Donna the Buffalo in Florida, and we will have our dang drink.
 
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
A recent study just reported that weight loss is exactly the same whether you do it through dieting or through exercise. Exercise is still suggested for a host of health reasons.

But the basics still apply I think. Eat less calories per day, burn calories with cardio. You have to burn more calories than you consume to lose weight, and really, we could all probably stand to eat less food. If you eat until you feel full, chances are you've eaten too much. Try to always leave the table a little hungry.

February 1st is when I start my own diet thing. I don't really want to lose that much weight, maybe 5lbs, but I'm much more interested in putting back on another 10lbs in muscle. As of February, I'll be six months away from my southern road trip vacation, and I want to look better than I have in the past. Perfectly reasonable expectations for six months.
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
You're looking for a cardio exercise - do you have a DVD player?

There are any number of cardio videos and "self-defense oriented" tapes like Tae Bo that put you through the motions of hitting things.

A DVD tape and a roll-out mat won't break the bank and will help you with the cardio you need to lose weight.

Remember though, don't judge by the scale - muscle versus fat, etc.

As much as I love dumbbells, I wouldn't recommend picking up any (no pun intended) until you have a better idea of your fitness goals and a plan to reach them.

-Trevor
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
*bump*

Anybody out there still on the fitness road?

I don't know if people still want to keep this thread going, or to start a new one.

I'm working out regularly now and it's quite a change for me personally. I've lost 10 pounds this month, but even more exciting, there's a significant size difference. I've lost two inches in my waist, and everything fits so much better now. I may even have to buy new jeans soon.

The only issue I have is shin splints. Everything I've read says to get new shoes, but with tuition due I can't afford to drop a whole bunch of cash on a new pair of running shoes. I am doing walk/run interval training, on an asphalt running track surface. I go at least three times a week, usually 4 or 5 and train for at least 30 minutes, sometimes as long as 50. This is huge change from one month ago when I was basically sedentary. So it's not surprising my legs are protesting at this point. Any pointers from the more experienced runners?
 
Posted by LargeTuna (Member # 10512) on :
 
i got a text message add on how to lose 10 lbs like Oprah. darn virtual telemarketers.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Belle,
First, lose the asphalt if you can. Is there a high school track with that soft, cushiony material?

Second, there is a stretch which helps shins and knees. Let me see if I can explain it.

Sit on the floor with your legs straight out.
Put the ball of your right foot over your left foot.
With your left foot, push up against the right foot. You should feel the "shin muscles" stretch.
Repeat with the other foot.


Also, hang off a step by the balls of your feet. Many knee and leg-in-general issues come from calves that are too tight.

Cross train. Give your muscles a break from walking/running. Bike, or go for a canoe ride, or do some other, non-impact aerobic exercise.

Whatever you do, don't start a new thread! Let's keep this one going.
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
The high school track is not available to me. It's inside the football stadium area which is locked up. The only place I have to run is the local track at the park, which is asphalt. I don't have any way to bike....I don't own a bike and don't have a stationary one. I'd love to use an elliptical but that means going to my university gym and I can't do that in the summer because I'm home with the kids.

I really like the walking and running too, which is why I'm reluctant to switch but I know that if I injure myself I'm not going to get anywhere, either. I took a day off today to rest my legs, even though I had planned on cardio today.

I'll definitely try the stretching. I do stretch every day but I have terrible flexibility.
 
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Belle:
*bump*

Anybody out there still on the fitness road?

I don't know if people still want to keep this thread going, or to start a new one.

I'm working out regularly now and it's quite a change for me personally. I've lost 10 pounds this month, but even more exciting, there's a significant size difference. I've lost two inches in my waist, and everything fits so much better now. I may even have to buy new jeans soon.

The only issue I have is shin splints. Everything I've read says to get new shoes, but with tuition due I can't afford to drop a whole bunch of cash on a new pair of running shoes. I am doing walk/run interval training, on an asphalt running track surface. I go at least three times a week, usually 4 or 5 and train for at least 30 minutes, sometimes as long as 50. This is huge change from one month ago when I was basically sedentary. So it's not surprising my legs are protesting at this point. Any pointers from the more experienced runners?

I'm still working out, haven't seen any noticeable progress yet in my look. I'm keeping the Official Exercise thread updated with my progress, there's a lot of work out/cardio info in that thread, in case beginners are looking for some info. I still weigh the same I've weighed for the last...four years or so. I can't seem to gain or lose weight.
 
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
 
I'm fed up with my lack of willpower. I feel completely incapable of not eating crap.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Belle,
Is there a place nearby to go for a hike?
If you climb a steep hill, you are getting a power-packed workout which is different than the same-muscle walking on a flat track. (it sounds weird-it is still walking)

Another idea to give yourself a rest but still move forward on the path to Mordor is the age-old calisthenics routine. Your hub is a fireman, isn;t he? Can you get the training exercises from him?

At one of the schools I worked at, we had this guy come in and put us through hell. It was not aerobic, but all we did was:

lunges
push-ups(I had to do wall-ups)
Backwards push-ups (on a chair or stair)
Jumping jacks(very aerobic, actually)
Calf raises.

That was it, and it got pretty much every muscle.

Another thing I have been threatening to do with my kids is a backyeard training circuit. Run to the swingset. Do five pullups(or, um, none if you are me) Run to the soccer ball. Dribble around the cones five times.

Etc.

And there are alwasy aerobics videos or Tae-Bo, if you can handle those. I end up saying, "Hmm, I had better sit down and watch this one time through, first." And that is the end of that. I am not a fan of aerobics, but it is good for a rainy day.

Good luck!
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
Elizabeth, I'm already doing strength training which incorporates weight lifting (dumbbells) and calisthenics.

I'm going for a walk today, after resting yesterday my legs feel 1000% better, now only one is hurting me and it's much less painful than it was yesterday.

PSI, the only way I fixed that is not making it available. I control what gets bought, so I don't buy junk. I just make sure I only purchase stuff that is at least halfway good for me, you know?

that way my willpower doesn't enter into it. If it's not in the house at all, I can't eat it.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Yeah, Belle, just rest.
All of the marathon training sites I have visted say rest at least two days.
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
I walked today, for three miles and instead of the asphalt track I just walked on the grass next to it. It was much better, yesterday both legs hurt, today it's only my right and it's not as bad as it was. So, I'll stay on the grass and stay away from running for a little while, then ease back into the interval training.
 
Posted by Eaquae Legit (Member # 3063) on :
 
I'll second the advice to ditch the ashphalt, which it looks like you've already tried. When my feet got diagnosed, I was told to stop running on concrete, and run on the grass instead. My ankles protested, but that's a different story.

I'm on the fitness track more intently now, with classes being out. I've managed to bike to work three times this week (the other time, it was raining). Since I started a couple weeks ago, I've already cut 10 minutes off my travel time. I don't expect it to get much faster easily, but I'm getting into the swing of it.

I'm totally proud of myself, and I've promised myself a new bathing suit (haven't bought one since 2002 - polyester suits are *the best*) if I can meet my goals by the time I go to the cottage in August.
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
Well, I'm still walking on it. The last day or so I added back some running intervals (on the grass) and walked one mile back on the asphalt. In other words, trying to ease it back in to the same activity I was doing before.

It still hurts, but it's getting better every day, so I'm not worried about it. I am going to invest in some new shoes. My shoes are for walking, I want to get some running shoes that have good shock absorption.

I've been stretching every day and I'm getting more flexible.
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
(((thread)))
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
(((Icarus)))

And on a positive, personal note - I'm going to class tonight wearing a cute denim jacket that my Mom bought for me last year - and I've never worn because it didn't fit. [Big Grin]

It does now.

12 pounds total lost in one month. I want to reach my goal weight before I start teaching.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Icarus, I have dubbed myself the Knight Protector of this thread. Sleep soundly, knowing it is safe.

Also, I am doing the Weight Watchers Core plan and loving it. Again. Ah, the cycles!
 
Posted by porcelain girl (Member # 1080) on :
 
12 pounds in one month is phenomenal, Belle. Especially for a woman. I'm very impressed, and inspired.
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
Thanks porce. [Smile]

Nothing fancy, no diet plan, or low-carb plan or anything. Just cardio five times a week for an hour each time, strength training three times a week, and keeping my total calories per day under a certain amount. I eat anything I want, I just make sure I hit that calorie range.

Of course, when I started I could only do 20 minutes of cardio. I tried to add a little bit each day, and quickly worked up to an hour, much faster than I expected to.

So yes, it takes time to track what I eat and count calories, and I'm spending an hour to an hour and a half every day on exercise, but it's not really been that hard to follow. It just took me making the commitment, and taking the time to do something right for myself.

And twelve pounds does sound like a lot, but I have a LONG way to go. I will be at this for some time.
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
Okay, I broke down and bought new shoes to see if they would help the shin splints situation.

Too early to tell, as I have only worn them for one workout, but they do feel different. They're ....springier or something. I did buy running shoes, as opposed to walking shoes (the old ones were walking) and switched brands, which is what every running support site said to do to try and help.

I will say, I stretched out today and ran with them, not jogging but full running and it felt good. [Smile] I'm liking this exercise stuff.

Tomorrow is my weekly weigh-in and it's also a measurement day. I weigh once a week and take measurements once a month. So we'll see if I have good news.

Today, I wore a shirt I bought to work out in but never felt comfortable wearing before...tank top with lots of spandex so it hugs the waist area. And my husband looked at me, blinked, looked some more and told me something I will not repeat here, but let's just say it was a boost to my ego. [Razz]
 
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
 
If I lose any more, I won't be able to find clothes that fit in the plus-sizes any more. I'll have to shop in the normal sizes.

I just went shopping this morning, and I was at the smallest size they had in the fat girl store.
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
Tante, that is awesome! What a great feeling that must be. Good job! [Big Grin]

I've given up, for the time being, on running. Instead I've upped my walking pace to a faster one that I can sustain, and increased the distance until I'm walking over three miles now in an hour.

I've now lost over 13 pounds and 2 inches in my waist.
 
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
 
Yeah, but I still have, like, a ton to lose. And everyone always promised me that if I lost weight, I'd feel terrific. So why don't I feel terrific? Someone's not keeping their end of the bargain, I tell you!

::shakes fist in the general direction of those imagined to be in charge of such things::
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
Okay, it's sooo hot that I'm not going to the track right now. Instead I'm doing step aerobics at home. I have a step, and I just set it in the floor and walk up and down it for an hour, while I'm watching something on tv. I alternate leading legs, of course to make sure I don't overwork one side.

Man, that does a lot for you!

As of right now, 14 pounds gone, in six weeks.

Tante, I don't know how much you have to lose, but I think it IS important to enjoy the journey. I can look at my weight loss and say "Only 14 pounds? Man, I have over 70 to go!" or I can say "14 pounds! I'm well on my way!"

The cool thing is there are plenty of things to celebrate on the way. Like getting into new sizes. As for feeling terrific, heck I don't feel terrific right now. My legs hurt, I have a blister that feels like it's the size of Texas on my right heel and every muscle in my arms feels sore from my last strength workout. Physically, I don't feel better yet, but I do know that I AM better physically, KWIM? It's very hard, and this type of pain and slow progress is what gets so many people discouraged that they quit. My husband told me the soreness and stuff would disappear after the first month. Well, he lied. I'm still sore and in pain. But, I'm not giving up. I'm sure the soreness will go away eventually. If it does though, it may be a sign for me to push harder!
 
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
I still weigh the same I've weighed for the last...four years or so. I can't seem to gain or lose weight.

Me too. I had a baby, and two weeks after delivery was at my pre-pregnancy weight. I thought "Great, breastfeeding will help me lose weight!" Nope. Baby is nine months old, and I'm still right where I was. Talk about set points. [Grumble]
 
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
 
I lost six pounds on vacation, and am trying to keep the momentum downward from there.

Doing a basic South Beach diet (perhaps somewhat modified), and lots of exercise. My employer is currently pushing "wellness" real hard, and are having an intra-company competition on walking distances between teams, so that is good motivation. My team is doing pretty well -- not the top, but definately not slackers.

Like Belle said, I just need to mentally keep reminding myself of my progress, and NOT concentrate on how much more I have yet to lose, because that gets discouraging, and makes it seem unattainable.

FG
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Dana, I found it practically impossible to lose weight while breastfeeding -- at least until the baby was seriously taking solids. It just made me too hungry!
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Excuse nothing. I remember being at a wedding when my oldest was two weeks old. I finished my chicken, and then shamelessly asked the young lady next to me if she had any plans for the second half of her prime rib. (And then wished I had the whole thing instead of half.) I was hungry, and I absolutely CRAVED protein.

OTOH, all my nursing infants gained weight steadily and grew like weeds.
 
Posted by scholar (Member # 9232) on :
 
I am nursing and so far I haven't lost weight. The baby is pretty plump though. Most of the women I know who nurse found that it was harder to lose while nursing, so I figure I'll lose the weight someday, but there is no hurry.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dkw:
quote:
Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
I still weigh the same I've weighed for the last...four years or so. I can't seem to gain or lose weight.

Me too. I had a baby, and two weeks after delivery was at my pre-pregnancy weight. I thought "Great, breastfeeding will help me lose weight!" Nope. Baby is nine months old, and I'm still right where I was. Talk about set points. [Grumble]
Sadly, I never lost the weight I needed to. My daughter just turned thirteen. In fact, after I had her I was doing well, then had number two and ended up even heavier. Now I weigh what I did at the highest point of my first pregnancy! Eek.

I finally got a pedometer that works, and it is frightening! I might as well sign up for Supersize Me. I am not working now, and I want to track my "teaching miles" in the fal, but for now, naps and wedding showers do not slap on the miles.

Now that I know, though, it will be better. Yesterday, I walked 7000 steps yesterday as opposed to 2000 the two previous days. My goal is 10,000 a day.

I can;t wait to see how many miles I log in for a music festival!
 
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Belle:
Tante, I don't know how much you have to lose, but I think it IS important to enjoy the journey. I can look at my weight loss and say "Only 14 pounds? Man, I have over 70 to go!" or I can say "14 pounds! I'm well on my way!"

The cool thing is there are plenty of things to celebrate on the way. Like getting into new sizes.

I neither enjoy nor dread the journey. It just is. I know I need to lose weight, and I'm trying to make that happen. I lost steadily for 6 months, and then plateaued for 6, and then, this month, started losing again. And all the time, I've been compliant with the diet (well, except for the week of Passover, when I was more lax). I don't love getting into new sizes, because I have a closet full of clothes that I like that don't fit me. And I don't love clothes shopping in any event. I mean, I do it, because I need to wear stuff, but it's not a thrill.

I just always heard that I'd feel physically great when I lost weight. I'm still waiting for the great feeling to come. Most of the time I feel much worse than "great." In fact, on a scale of lousy to great, I skew more towards the lousy end.

I'm not discouraged from continuing, though. I'm planning to stick with the program until I'm at my goal weight, and then to maintain that weight.

That's the plan, at least.
 
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
 
quote:
I just always heard that I'd feel physically great when I lost weight. I'm still waiting for the great feeling to come. Most of the time I feel much worse than "great." In fact, on a scale of lousy to great, I skew more towards the lousy end.
It wasn't the weight loss or the diet itself that made me get to that "feel great" stage. It was the exercise. Even if I'm losing weight, I don't feel any better or any more energetic unless I begin exercising.

I think there is something to that "exercise releases powerful, addictive brain chemicals" thing.

FG
 
Posted by Eaquae Legit (Member # 3063) on :
 
Hmphm. I think I finally have experienced those addictive chemicals. Years of swimming, field hockey, and off-and-on running never managed to trip them the way biking has. It really feels like an addiction; rain is threatening and I will be cranky if I can't get my hit today.
 
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
 
I like to get my powerful addictive brain chemicals the old fashioned way. From the pharmacy. [Razz]
 
Posted by Valentine014 (Member # 5981) on :
 
I think it's time to rejoin this thread.

I have finally reached my breaking point. It's time to get serious. I have hired an aggressive personal trainer at my gym and I think he's going to set me straight. We had our first consultation today and I am really excited. He has a no nonsense attitude about my eating habits and seems eager to help me.

I believe I have very reasonable expectations about what he can and can't do for me. My goals are to lose 25-30lbs. with special attention to the abdomen. I don't want to come out of this looking like a fashion model, I just want to feel comfortable in my own skin again, to look in the mirror and say, "Hey, not too shabby." I want to be able to get pregnant (some day) and not have to obsess about the weight I'm gaining and not have to stress (too badly) about losing it after a baby.

My eating habits aren't good, but they aren't terrible either. I snack well (granola bars, dried fruit, and nuts), I usually eat breakfast, don't eat red meat, and enjoy vegetables. It's the dinner thing that is my weakness. I use dinner as a source of entertainment and as a social hour. I place too much importance on that hour. Even though I don't eat red meat, I have discovered 1,001 ways to fry chicken. Yummy. I love rice and creamy pastas. (This is starting to sound like an AA meeting)

So, there is my story.
 
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
 
Anyone else see this article?


Diet pills' icky side effects keep users honest

(it made me laugh -- especially the writer's use of the term "Alli oops")

FG
 
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
Ew, I've heard about those side effects. [Smile]

I'm doing the Weight Watchers core plan (which is basically just eating well and eating balanced with lots of veggies, whole grains, and low fat) and trying to get back into my exercise regimen. This week has been good, even with the 4th. We spent all that day lugging mortars and canisters around in the sand to set up a $50,000 fireworks shoot. I'm good and sore and I think I burnt a lot of calories. The rest of my exercise is walking (easing into jogging) and my TurboJam (which I adore).

My biggest problem is sugar and I'm working really hard on the veggie and fruit front so I can lose my cravings. It's working, and I'm SO delighted. I have been a slave to sugar my whole life and summer is a good time to kick the habit, as there is so much delightful fruit around. My favorites are nectarines, grapes, strawberries, and I just hacked into a fresh pineapple. Delish.

I've also discovered a yummy evening snack that doesn't kill my whole day. Malt-O-Meal instant oatmeal packets (they come in different flavors.) It's sweetened, but it's whole grain and I can add some fresh fruit if I'm really hungry. It's fantastic. [Smile]

My goal is to lose weight every week until school starts. I'd love it to be 20 pounds, but if I just keep losing a bit every week, I'll be happy.

Hang in there everyone! (((Icarus))) (((thread)))
 
Posted by Diana Bailey (Member # 8313) on :
 
I read the entire thread...very interesting, and there were often inspiring stories and useful information.

After watching my husband lose over 85 pounds in less than 100 days using a doctor supervised fasting program, I've learned a couple new things about this often thankless issue(most people regain all the weight they lose, and weight is highly determined by your genetic inheritance. This helps explain why my kids and I have always been thin while my husband gained nearly 100 pounds over a twenty year period). First, the only diet that works is one that you embrace. Carl hates exercise, won't do it, and so a program that insists on regular movement is a no go for him. Second, he could not face spending months eating smaller portions and losing weight slowly. That works when you have twenty or so pounds to lose, but 100 pounds...too discouraging. Finally, Carl found that drinking lots of water was critical. You really have to drink huge amounts of liquid when you fast to avoid weakness, and he found that drinking lots of water also helped him lose weight. Finally, you can't cheat and expect decent results. He followed the diet, and afterwards, he follows the maintenance diet. We eat more veggies and protein with limited carbs. I occasionally get hungry for rice or pasta, but usually I eat what Carl eats. And I exercise while he merrily programs or plays chess. When we went to Chicago to celebrate with our daughter when she graduated from college, we ate like crazy folks, and he gained ten pounds in one week. Carl went right back on his regular eating program and lost the extra weight. He feels great, looks fabulous and he's stopped taking his blood pressure meds after his regular doctor found his blood pressure within the normal range. Best of all, we both know what works for him. We also have realistic expectations-he is at least twenty pound heavier than he was when he was twenty. That's OK-and healthy.

Best wishes to all who want to lose weight!
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
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over 85 pounds in less than 100 days
Wow. I'm stunned. I can't imagine dropping that much weight so fast.

At any rate, I'm plugging along. 18 pounds gone now. I have no pants that fit. Everything is too big.
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
Finally broke the 20 pound barrier! I've lost 21 pounds.
 
Posted by Earendil18 (Member # 3180) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Belle:
quote:
over 85 pounds in less than 100 days
Wow. I'm stunned. I can't imagine dropping that much weight so fast.

Neither can I, considering most of the fat burning comes from the body maintaining its muscles. If you fast, your body looks for energy first in the muscles, then maybe fat later on, but now you've killed your fatburners...huhh? I digress though, I'm aiming more for aesthetics so the idea of eating your muscle away... [Eek!] [ROFL]

Anyway Belle, keep up the good work. I know what you mean in regards to the hurting while jogging/running. A few months ago, I could only jog around a block, with a rest in between. Now, I can jog continuously over a mile and a half. It's not much compared to some, but I'm pleased. [Smile]

Now I've got to purchase a weight set. Eee...Money...o.o

I've heard swimming is really awesome too because you're using just about every muscle in your body to do it. Public pools suck tho, and I don't know how expensive the local YMCA is. We'll see.

Good luck to everyone!
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
I shall keep this thread alive even if no one else cares.

At any rate, had a slow down where I wasn't exercising as I should due to stresses and school but I got back to it and I'm still dropping sizes like crazy. None of my jeans fit but I hate to buy more if I'm only going to be in this size a short time.

I went and bought a workout top - you know tight fitting so you can exercise without it getting in the way, made of that dri-fit stuff that evaporates sweat away from your body, etc. I bought it in what I thought was a size smaller than I am now, thinking I could work toward fitting in it and it could be a motivating factor for me. Well, it fits. In fact, I won't be wearing it long. I guess I'm a smaller size now than I think I am, I really need to go try on some new clothes and see where I am.

Oh, my waist measurement is now four inches smaller than when I started. That makes me very, very happy. [Smile]
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Woo-hooo Belle!

And yes, always invest in good shoes - trust me, it'll help.

You never appreciate the impact of good running shoes until you put on a new pair. [Big Grin]

-Medina
 
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
 
That's GREAT, Belle!

I have never thought to measure myself. I mean, I use the weight scales for overall weight, but I have no idea what my measurements are (except how it translates into bra size and pant size).

I'm still walking 2 miles every night (around the quarter-section), as well as normal work around the farm. Not losing as much as I had hoped, but not gaining any either.

A guy I work with is a marathon runner, so he runs daily to keep in shape. When he gets 200 miles on a pair of shoes, even if they are still in great shape, he "retires" that pair and buys new. I get his old ones (yes, my big female feet are the same size as his small male feet). It's great because they are high dollar shoes I could never afford for myself new.
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
I guess I didn't update but I'm having no problem with shin splints at all anymore. I do still get the occasional blister, in different parts of my feet, and I'm trying to find the magic combination of socks and shoes and tying just tight enough but not too tight. My husband the runner with two marathons under his belt says blisters are a part of a walker/runner's life and even the best with the best shoes get them occasionally.

Today I took my dog to the park and she walked a mile with me before I handed the leash over to the kids to let her play with them. Walking with her was fun, and she must have pushed me ever so slightly - my lap times were about 20 seconds per lap faster when I had her with me. She loved it too! So proud and happy to be trotting alongside me. We'll definitely be bringing her back with us. I just wish all dog owners observed park rules - keep on leash and clean up after your dog - but unfortunately not everyone does. That's a rant for another time, though.

Farmgirl, there's a lot of talk out there about how measurements and particularly the ratio of your waist to hip measurements is a more accurate predictor of health problems, so that's why I focus on measurements. Plus, the scale can be deceptive, you can gain lean muscle and your weight not go down much but have a marked improvements in measurements. Here's an article with more info.

My waist-hip ratio now has me at "low risk"! That's very important to me because my grandparents both died of heart disease.

quote:
my big female feet are the same size as his small male feet
My husband and I can wear the same size in running shoes too.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Belle, that is so great.
I am down in the dumps and up in the scales again.
Diana, if you read the whole thread, you could make a sad chart of doom for my success at this.

OK, enough of that. I have been exercising, I have added weight training(Planet Fitness machines), and I am starting to feel better, but I have not been eating less, or drinking less wine. Once I get back to school it will be easier.

So, Belle, keep posting regularly to give me a boost, OK? (to give everyone a boost)
 
Posted by Tinros (Member # 8328) on :
 
I've lost 14 pounds since February. Not a lot, but this puts me within normal range for my height.

I'd like to lose a bit more, but now I'm more concerned with getting FIT, not just losing weight.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
But, but, I was always pretty hipless, with a wider waist. When I am at the weight I am comfortable with, I am fairly "straight."
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
I run in New Balance running shoes which cost between $60 to $100. I rotate them out every six months or so, depending on wear and tear.

Iraq is not kind to shoes, I'll tell you that for free.

But it balances out, so to speak - the "still good" running shoes are only worn for running; the old and abused running shoes are worn for weight training and any other "non-running" PT.

-TMedina
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
Well, today is measurement day. I weigh weekly but only do measurements every six weeks.

My weight loss has really slowed, it's crawling along consistently at 1 pound per week, which I know is good, but I would love to see bigger numbers.

At any rate, measurement day made me happy. It's been 14 weeks on this journey, and 4 is my magic number. Four inches lost in my bust, four in my hips, and a bit more than four in my waist. My upper arm - bicep - is an inch smaller than it used to be. A whole inch of flab gone off my arm!

I did something yesterday I haven't done in years, and I'm not kidding when I say that. I bought a pair of shorts, and wore them in public to a function that was not me going someplace to work out. I was actually okay with showing my legs in public!

Now, I still have a long way to go, but this gave me a needed boost to know that it really IS working, that my body is changing even if the number on the scale is only creeping down.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Nice!
I am at war with Olaf(Old Lady Arm Flap).
So far, he is winning, especially hands down. (what with the spread that occurs when i put my hands down)
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
It's time for me to try again. :-|
 
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
 
I went shopping today (with Ma) for new clothes, since, really, my stuff just doesn't fit right. I had no idea what size I was, or what stores to hit -- fat girl stores or normal size girl stores. Ma suggested the department store, since they have both.

It's been years since I've been to the mall. I hate the mall.

I found out that I've left plus sizes behind, and now I'm wearing a size 16. Last year, I was a size 24, so that explains why nothing fits properly.

When I look in the mirror, though, I look just the same to me.

Ma's been doing the Weight Watcher's thing, too, and is down to a size 2 Petite. I don't think I will ever be that thin.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Tante, whoo hoo!!!

I have made a pact with myself never to go back to size 18. If I have to stuff my fat behind in size 16 stuff, it will have to do until I get back on track.

Icarus, we can do this!
 
Posted by docmagik (Member # 1131) on :
 
Great job to everybody on their progress.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Bump
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Encourage me. Please. I need it .
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
Elizabeth, my weight loss has really slowed, but it's still going down. Do you track yours in any way? I'll tell you what helps me. I use an Excel spreadsheet. A simple two column table with the week on the left and my weight on the right. I weigh in officially every week on the same day (Sunday for me).

Then, I have a simple graph of that data series. Each week I update the source data to include the new week. I can look at it and see that it's going down, even if there are individual weeks that stay flat or even tick up a bit. The trendline is continuing down, which is what I want to see. Sometimes that visual reminder is helpful, I can go look at it whenever I'm down.

Also remember that even if you have a bad day, there are six other days in the week. And if you have a bad week (I've had weeks where I gained weight) there are 51 other weeks in the year. Aim for two steps forward every week, then if you take a step back you're still moving forward.

I know it's hard - I got discouraged the other day because I'm still in women's sizes. But, I'm smaller than I was and will soon be out of women's sizes - it just frustrates me to think how slow it is. I'm at about 1.5 pounds per week now - my first month I averaged over 2.5 pounds a week - I lost 12 pounds the first month. Now it could take me almost three months to lose 12 pounds. So I know how difficult it is to stay motivated.

Hang in there, though - you CAN do it. This is probably one of the hardest things we'll ever do in our lives - losing this excess weight, but nothing else will make such a positive impact on our health (unless you're a smoker, and give that up).

(((Elizabeth)))
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Thanks, Belle.
I do have an Excel spreadsheet somewhere, but it would not be encouraging right now! My problem is starting. And stopping! Starting to control my eating and stopping avoidance of exercise. Stopping drinking wine and pretending it is a Core food.

Going back to work will help.
Going back to Weight Watcher's, and really going, will help.
Getting myself organized in general will help.

It is that first step of the seemingly endless journey that is hardest. I feel like I am climbing up a slope of pebbles. I get just so far, and then I landslide back.

And water. For some reason, I have been avoiding drinking water.

But thank you. Sometimes I have to get to a slump at the bottom of the hill before I start the climb back up. I just wish I could break that pattern!

Also, I refuse to buy new clothes. If I have to stuff into my 16s, I will stuff in. I pledged never to go back. Stacey and Clinton from What Not to Wear would kick my a** for sure.
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
I'm at 25 pounds lost!

*dances*

I've been working out at the gym at school, and actually lifting weights - not the little 3 lb dumbbells at home but the real weight training stuff - and man does it make a difference! I have muscle and I feel fitter and stronger and now the weight seems to be just falling off. When I first started I stayed the same, then actually gained a half a pound, but since then the weight has really been going down. I guess my body just needed to adjust to the new regimen.

I've actually cut my cardio down, due to time constraints, so I'm getting in a good weight training regimen every day (I alternate muscle groups so I don't overwork any) and then do cardio at the end of the weight training session. I make sure I'm still doing at least 30 minutes of cardio, though, and what type I do really depends on what machines are open. there is a large cardio room, with dozens of each type of machine but I prefer to work out in a smaller area that has all the weight machines in a circuit, and only a few cardio machines. There's two each ellipticals and treadmills, and one bike.

I like that area because it doesn't feel intimidating, it's smaller and usually only women are working out there as opposed to the big room with all the other machines. In fact I see the same women every day, and most of them are my age or even older so it feels more cozy and comfortable. We encourage each other and say hi every morning. [Smile]

I'm like the fitness evangelist lately, I tell everybody that mentions they are tired or don't have energy that working out regularly has literally changed my life. I really, really recommend a good fitness regimen for everyone. If you think you're too out of shape to start, trust me you are not as out of shape as I was! When I started it was nine months after my last chemo treatment, I had done nothing for months except lay around the house, I was very heavy and could not walk one flight of steps without getting out of breath. I started by walking only, and slowly built my way up to where I am now - lifting weights and doing cardio five times a week and losing weight like crazy and feeling better than I can remember feeling.

You CAN do it - believe me you can and it's worth it.

Okay, I'll calm down now. I'm just giddy because I was at my daughter's dance studio tonight and saw myself in a full length mirror, and for the first time in years wasn't ashamed at what I saw. That is an amazing feeling!
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Good work, Belle! [Smile]
 
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
 
I just joined a gym.

I wish they had better music playing over the speakers. Olivia Newton-John's "Let's Get Physical"?

Oy.
 
Posted by Javert Hugo (Member # 3980) on :
 
I love the gym. I got out of the habit there for a bit, but I'm working back into the habit and I love it.

I woke up this morning and actually tried to stay in bed, but I physically felt the pull to go to the gym, and I knew I'd feel better that way. It's great to be in the groove again. Now to step it up.

So, I did some actual weight training for the first time in months and months. Lovely. [Smile] I'm hoping to get my posture straightened up again. Not that's it's bad - just a little bit. Turns out the best way to improve your posture is to strengthen your back muscles.
 
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
 
I'm discouraged. I'm not losing weight. And the holidays are coming up. (and class reunion this weekend).

I have been doing a two-mile walk every night. And am part of a team at work on an exercise challenge. And have signed up for a turbo-kick exercise class.

But I love to eat. Really really love to eat. Food is yummy.

I'm not making any progress.
 


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