You should come over to the "bad karma?" thread where we are discussing this very event.... Posted by prolixshore (Member # 4496) on :
id agree with you, but i think the person who already made this thread today would beat me up too.
--ApostleRadio
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
quote:Romley would not comment on a possible sentence, but said the bishop "will not be treated any differently than anybody else."
Hasn't he already been? Aren't most people handcuffed when they are arrested?
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
I did not see the karma thread, buried as it was in a pile of dobies, but my thread is of a more violent nature.
I just want to see this guy go to jail, and get the snot beat out of him on a regular basis for several years. I think it would go a long way towards making me feel better about the universe in general.
Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
I can understand the violent reaction. My initial reaction to the story last night was, "Maybe we can get him into prison after all."
I had a similar violent reaction to this story from last week about a severely abused 7-year old boy (he was basically locked in a closet for a long period of time). I kind of think the parents should be forcibly steralized with hot pokers and then have the good Biblical punishment of a mill-stone around the neck and a dip in the sea.
[ June 17, 2003, 02:56 PM: Message edited by: ludosti ]
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Could you take care of this guy, too, Slashy?
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
Kayla:
quote:He's been stricken with remorse
What the hell?!
He held five women as sex slaves, but when he gets caught, he's stricken with remorse?
Yeah, he needs a few years of regular beatings too.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 619) on :
I actually thought of you, Slash, when I read about that sex-slave guy on Kayla's "Random Thoughts" thread. Ah, what a seven-foot, sword-wielding Lizardman could do with human scum like that...
And it wouldn't even be immoral, since Lizardmen are a different species.
But then various forms of inhuman punishment meeted out to those who richly deserve it is not the direction I ever want to see this board go, so I decided not to mention it.
Ah, but I can dream (regardless of how evil such dreams are)...
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
What I am wondering is how the hell he could have mistaken a 43 yr-old man for a cat or dog. Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
Ela, he is a professional liar.
He spent years hiding pedophiles behind his skirts while they assaulted children over and over and over again.
He is my definition of evil, and I don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth, including "I thought it was an animal."
Posted by The Silverblue Sun (Member # 1630) on :
Reminds me off the Dallas Cowboy a few months ago...
...a car broke down in the middle of the highway, then burst into flames. The Cowboy going 100 mph RAN OVER the good samaritan's who were attempting to pull the people out of the car, and he did this on the shoulder, not on the highway.
when he didn't come forward, he said "I thought I hit some trash."
ugh...
and to make matters worse, it turns out he was returning from a strip club in his $200,000 BMW.
Posted by Sweet William (Member # 5212) on :
This situation just begs for a contingency fee lawyer.
Posted by Unmaker (Member # 1641) on :
Beating and anal rape, to atone for all his sins.
Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
This guy certainly could use some beatings and anal rape. I mean, come on - raping a 79 year old woman, an 11 year old girl?!
Posted by Tresopax (Member # 1063) on :
Hmmmm.... this bishop guy sounds pretty bad. I mean, how can you possibly be getting in trouble again only weeks after the last scandal?
Then again, I don't think beatings or anal rape would make things any better....
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
Well, Tres, it's clear to me that you have never administered a really good beating to someone who richly deserved it. If you had, you would understand the amazing catharsis of the act. The universe is actually made better in some indefinable way when a really deserving person gets the snot kicked out of them.
In fact, in several cases where I was an eye witness, the beatee actually becomes a better person afterward. When the person deserves it enough, it's more like a public service.
Posted by UTAH (Member # 5032) on :
Ela, a 235 pound man , for a dog or a cat!
Posted by WheatPuppet (Member # 5142) on :
If you saw his windshield on the national news the other night, you can tell he's lying. His windshield has a dent in it that few animals could make. One would be a moose (of which there aren't any nearby), another would be a very large deer (again, not many of those around in AZ), and possibly a giant sloth. No cat, dog, or rock could have made that indentation.
I also agree that properly-applied beatings really do solve a lot of problems. More than jail solves them, anyway.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
quote: The universe is actually made better in some indefinable way when a really deserving person gets the snot kicked out of them.
That's one to remember! And I actually agree. Posted by slacker (Member # 2559) on :
Wheatpuppet,
You wouldn't be able to find a large animal in that part of town. Possibly in Snottsdale or somewhere towards the northeastern part of the valley, but even then it'd be a long shot.
Posted by Ethics Gradient (Member # 878) on :
How about our former Governor General? The guys held the highest office in the land... And covered up evidence of child abuse in a number of cases and was himself accused of rape. Ass-whoopin' required.
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
EG:
I hereby confer upon you the title of "Designated Australian Ass Kicking Distributor", along with all the powers and privileges attached.
You now have the authority to deliver this much needed whoopin'.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
*bump*
Personal beef of mine: People who leave their children locked in hot cars. It happens every year, yet people keep doing it as if they believe that it's okay. Do they not realize that not only is it dangerous to leave a child unattended for so long, but that it's even more dangerous to leave them unattended in a car on a hot day? Some people shouldn't have kids.
[ July 31, 2003, 01:32 PM: Message edited by: Jon Boy ]
Posted by Head Ditch Digger (Member # 5085) on :
It just happened here in Arizona, also. The babysitter took her two kids and a 1 1/2 year old infant, to the park. Upon returning home she forgot the infant. The infant died of exposure after an hour. The police still do not know if they are going to press charges.
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
I don't understand how someone could do that. I'm sure anyone who lives in Texas would know how hot a car gets during the summer. How could anyone think it's alright to leave your infant in that environment?
Posted by sarahdipity (Member # 3254) on :
The title of this thread made me think of this comic that I read today.
I really don't know how people can do that either. Once I accidently locked one of my babies in the car. I didn't even want to leave the car to get someone to help.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
quote: Police and witnesses described the child's mother as distraught.
And stupid.
The baby, on the other hand, can be described as dead.
GRRR....
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
A legal question, for those who know the law . . .
If endangerment actually results in a death, isn't it elevated to manslaughter? If not, what's the difference between fatal endangerment and manslaughter?
Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
This woman needs a serious ass-kicking. Her 18 month old will need an unimaginable amount of surgery. I can't fathom someone doing something so awful. It makes me
[ August 22, 2003, 03:44 PM: Message edited by: ludosti ]
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
Damn! I hope those women in jail beat the crap out of her for that! Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Why in the world was an 18 year old left with three nieces and no case worker checking up on them in the first place?!? Doesn't Social Services require weekly checks? How in the world something like that happens is beyond me. They had those girls for almost a year, which means the 18 year old would have been 17? I can't imagine that they were taking care of them for free. I wonder what the story is behind that one.
The thing that bothers me about that first story is the comments the District Attorney made. Know what can happen when District Attorneys try their cases in the court of public opinion before a court of law? Click on the links below to see.
Where is Slash anyways? I think his "to do" box is piling up.
Hobbes Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
This makes me sad. I wish people like this would just stop even pretending to be Christian, because it's people like him that give the rest of us a bad name, and make people like Kayla think religious people are stupid beyond belief. Know what Kayla? I don't blame you. Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
I was never under the impression that Kayla thinks religious people are stupid beyond belief. I thought she only ascribed that quality to men. Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
(She's not the only one...) Posted by fil (Member # 5079) on :
Boot to the head...
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
PSI, it's not religious people it's the organizations that I find. . . distasteful. Of course, the organization is filled with people, but for some reason, individual religious people don't bother me at all. In fact, I quiet like a lot of them.
saxon, you need to get this right. I'm not a sexist. I hate everyone. Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
That's cool Kayla. It just seems like, when an important man in a religious group screws up this badly, and so many of his pals back him up, and it's happening all over the world, it's easy to see WHY religious groups seem so distasteful. But they don't make up the majority of us, and yet we still feel the backlash from it. You don't know how often I hear stuff like "That's just what I'd expect of a Christian ", and other really sarcastic remarks. It's gotten to the point where I can't even make an honest MISTAKE without getting crap from everyone who thinks that all Christians are big fat hypocrites.
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Wow. Must be what it's like to be black. Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
You know, stories like this are what make me think people need to get a license to breed.
Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
Dude, I thought Jamie Teague's family from Folk of the Fringe was fictional.
Kayla, you're not black?
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
Holy cow. As often as I have joked about duct-taping the boys to the wall or something...
You know, I have heard stories like this before, but part of me just doesn't see how it's possible.
I mean, I remember how bad I felt, during the height of the post-partum depression hell I went through. How guilty I felt for not enjoying it more when I took the boys to the park, or not playing more than one round of hide-and-seek with them. I even felt guilty when I let them go to bed without a bath, occasionally. They went six months without gymnastics and kindermusik classes, and I felt like a bad mom (money was tight, back then).
And I thought, "I'm such a bad mom because I can't give my children more of me, or at least more activities." But never in a million years could I imagine why someone would do something like THAT. Sure, maybe the father is a nutjob, but why would a woman do that? How could she live with herself? OMG.
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Moose, not yet, but the front of my legs and arms are getting very tan.
I think these people are sick but this story doesn't at all surprise me. What surprises me is that we don't see more of these stories.
Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
That is the saddest thing of all - that these stories no longer shock us by merely happening. Certainly, we are constantly sickened and shocked by the myriad permutations of horrific abuse, but the fact that it happens is no longer surprising.... Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
This thread makes me want to cry. Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
quote: "It's almost like you have to take them from the point of being infants and redo everything as fast as possible," explained Embry, a Tucson-based therapist who has treated children of abusive parents. "Just putting them in foster care with a loving family is not enough. They need intensive intervention for hours a day."
I'm really glad that it seems they will be getting this. Imagine if they hadn't discovered it this early. Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
I'd be surprised if they ever catch up. My daughters were much less severely developmentally delayed, after a much less traumatic early childhood, and they're still behind. I think they can make progress, and be functional, but I don't know if you can ever quite overcome this.
Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
That's probably what infuriates me most about child abuse - that, on some level, the children will never be the same again. In cases of severe emotional or physical abuse they may not ever be able to be functional human beings.
I have a cousin who is about my same age (a year or two younger). He was adopted at a very young age (I think he was 2 or 3). He was the child of a young drug addict. He had been emotionally abused (basically ignored by his mother). He did not learn to form relationships with other human beings. He could not love or trust. He was extremely violent - to the point that he lived in a boy's ranch during his teenage years. He stayed there until the state was forced to release him (he was too old). Last I heard, he was in prison. I have no idea what he did to get himself there, but I'm not at all surprised that he ended up there. I can't help but be furious at his mother. I know that she was young (12 or 13). I know that, on some level, my cousin is responsible for his choices and actions (he is an adult after all), but I can't help thinking that the damage his mother did when he was so small meant that he would never be a normal, functioning member of society.
[ August 25, 2003, 04:18 PM: Message edited by: ludosti ]
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
ludosti, I don't think I'll ever believe that his behavior is his choice or his actions. Children with that severe of neglect shouldn't be "blamed" for their actions. Punished, but not blamed. Once they cross that line and are proven to be a danger to society, they need to be jailed or institutionalized, but I don't think their actions are their "choice" or under their control.
quote:Disrupted and anxious attachment not only leads to emotional and social problems, but also results in biochemical consequences in the developing brain. Infants raised without loving touch and security have abnormally high levels of stress hormones, which can impair the growth and development of their brains and bodies. The neurobiological consequences of emotional neglect can leave children behaviorally disordered, depressed, apathetic, slow to learn, and prone to chronic illness. Compared to securely attached children, attachment disordered children are significantly more likely to be aggressive, disruptive and antisocial.
Disruption of attachment during the crucial first three years can lead to what has been called "affectionless psychopathy", the inability to form meaningful emotional relationships, coupled with chronic anger, poor impulse control, and a lack of remorse.
Somehow, it doesn't seem fair to hold them accountable for their actions when their brains are totally screwed up before they can even speak.
Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
I left out the "on some level" I thought I had put in there. I don't know that there's a point when a person can be *never* be held responsible for their choices and actions.
I understand that he is a product of those disasters during his first few crucial years. That's what make me so angry - that he never really had a chance. But it happened, and now he will suffer for the rest of his life. I also feel bad for his mother, having been young, homeless, and so screwed up. It is just a trajedy all around.
[ August 25, 2003, 04:23 PM: Message edited by: ludosti ]
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Kayla, I think after a certain point in a person's life we have to choose to live as if we believe that people are in control of their own actions, even if sometimes this is clearly not the case. If we don't do this, I think the consequences for society are disastrous, as people cease trying to control their impulses and instead accept excuses for their own behavior. I think we have seen an epidemic of this in the last ten or fifteen years. And I think that, oddly enough, incidents of abuse and victimization seem to go up the more willing we are as a society to forgive abusive actions based on the excuse that someone is not in control of his or her actions.
In another thread, you said that some victimizers deserve extreme punishment in retaliation for the horrible hurt they inflict on others. (And I agree with you.) But if you now say that some people can't be held accountable for their actions, not because they are insane in any clinical sense, but because they have behavior disorders caused by abuse they suffered at the hands of other people . . . well, don't you see that many if not most (if not all) of the victimizers you feel must be punished can point back to someone who first victimized them, harming their ability to control their actions?
This hits very close to home because Cor and I adopted two special needs kids. We have done our best to provide a good and loving home, with structure and expectations. And yet we are finding, as our kids start kindergarten, that they are facing a great deal of frustration because of their developmental delays, and one of our daughters is acting out quite severely. When I clicked on that link you just gave, a lot of those symptoms hit pretty close to home. There are a lot of valid reasons for her behavior, including being separated from her birth mother at birth, and then being separated from her foster parents to come live with us, and also her frustration over being in a much more demanding setting than she's ever been in before, with teachers expecting her to understand things she simply does not understand. And hey, some of her problems may also be rooted in some failure on our part, despite our attempts to be the best parents we know how to be. Now, given that there are reasons why she may be predisposed to act a certain way, should we assume that she cannot control her actions, and throw in the towel? Should we be accepting of whatever she does? Will we prepare her to live in society by doing this? Or should we, with an awareness of the factors leading up to her behavior, nevertheless try to teach her to be in control of it?
I don't believe we can accept the position that anyone past the age of reason who is not clinically insane is not in control of his or her actions. We can recognize predispositions, and try to tailor our strategies to an awareness of them, but we can't absolve people of responsibility for their actions simply because they were victims.
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Icky, you and I are talking about two different things. Unless your girls were left in one of those Romanian orphanages where they were tied to cribs till they were five, I don't think they will suffer the same type of consequences. I could be wrong. The sever attachment disorders I'm talking about are kids that are more akin to aliens than humans. The ones that, by the time they are 8 or so, have already tried to kill their adoptive parents with a knife in their sleep. These kids are so screwed up that their brains are literally incapable of coherent thought and action. While I think that they should be removed from society, I also think they are not "responsible" for their actions. Not anymore than an infant who cries in the middle of the night when his diaper is wet and he's hungry.
I guess the point I was trying to make was that although they need to be treated like criminal or mental patients, I don't think that they should be "blamed" for their behavior. It would be like blaming someone for walking with a limp when they were missing a leg.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I saw one kid like Kayla is describing come through the group home where I worked.
She was...varelse. She couldn't understand us or us understand her and she DID try to kill people. With no reason.
It's hard to explain. This kid was totally devoid of emotion, but it wasn't exactly that, either. She was devoid of SOMEthing. I just can't put my finger on it.
And she was sent to a residential school for kids in her boat.
But it was the best place for her. She'd busted out of two adoptive placements and a slew of specialized foster homes.
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
I really want to cry.
These are the things that make me want to go into isolation - I don't even want to hear about them.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Okay, I see. My kids aren't as severe as that. What brought them to my mind was that you brought up reactive attachment disorder, and many if not most kids in state custody have this. I'm beginning to be afraid that at least one of my kids does. But no, it's not as bad as the situation you describe.
I would say that being Varelse is essentially the same as being clinically insane, and so I did leave an "out" for this situation. But I think the rest of the time, when people are capable of coherent thought and action, it's important to hold them responsible for their actions, even when there is a legitimate reason to believe that some trauma or disorder contributed to their predisposition to act in a certain way.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I agree, Icky. I saw lots and lots of kids go through the group home and only one so severe as to need residential care because she could be described as "varelse."
The rest we always held responsible for their actions. We processed as well, looking at what actions and feelings lead up to acting out. Most times, the kids really do want to please you but have all these emotions all stirred up and have NO idea what to do with them. So they act out.
Or they need attention and only know how to get it by getting negative attention. Sometimes, they just want a hug, but don't know how to ask for one.
Some need consistency and structure to make them feel safe and secure.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
*thinks the world is a kinder place with mack in it
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Kind of changes things a bit. I'd love to read trial transcripts.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Um, how does it change things? Most of the evidence seems to point to his being a sleazebag.
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
The lead investigator was shot while allegedly robbing a bank? That seems odd. The juror were, apparently, too stupid to figure out that they were convicting him of 5 counts of rape. I have no idea what they thought they were doing, but half the jury seems to have changed their minds. And this guy isn't a judge. I mean, he is but come on. New Mexico has some screwed up laws. I had no idea this was going on. "The city council appointed a 33-year-old X-ray technician with no previous legal experience (municipal judges in New Mexico aren't required to have law degrees) as an interim judge."
Seriously? An e-ray technician is a judge? Man, next thing you know, the kid pumping my gas will be presiding over a murder trial.
However, considering the quality of judges they seem to have, and considering the fact that for those particular crimes, he could have gotten 50 years, I think the fact that he could be out on the streets in 18 months is so horrifying as to be amusing. Remind me that I never want to go anywhere near New Mexico.
quote: A 12-year-old girl was beaten into a coma by a group of other girls and women after she kissed the boyfriend of another girl on a dare, police said.
Three adult women and two teenage girls have been charged in the beating of Nicole Townes, who remained in a coma Wednesday more than a week after the attack at a February 28 party.
People suck.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
The women need the death penalty.
I'm going back to my "thin the herd" mentality.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
If this had only involved teens, I would be horrified enough. But there were two adults (and I used the term in the chronological sense only) involved?? In beating a child? Over a kiss?
For THIRTY MINUTES?!
I agree with PSI.
Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
Quick! To the gene pool!! And bring lots of chlorine!!
Posted by Sarcasm (Member # 4653) on :
When I saw this thread bumped, I thought it was probably because of this article.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
I can't believe people actually ARGUE with me when I say things like this are signs of the times.
Actually, I think this chaps me more than anything else.
quote: The couple pleaded innocent at separate arraignments.
String 'em up.
[ March 11, 2004, 10:31 PM: Message edited by: PSI Teleport ]
Posted by lcarus (Member # 4395) on :
Holy carp!
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
The world would be a much better place if I was given a flame thrower and license to use it as I saw fit.
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
I saw the article about the girl in a coma.
Those two women - I don't know what they were thinking.
It was a DARE.
I hope the girl pulls through. Posted by Mama Squirrel (Member # 4155) on :
Someone please tell me how a woman could be 7 months pregnant with twins and not know it. Did she think babies are born knowing how to swim?
Posted by digging_holes (Member # 6237) on :
You have to seriously wonder about the sanity of someone like that. The alternative is too depressing. Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
My cousin claimed she didn't know she was pregnant until the baby was born. The really sad thing is, I think she may actually BE that dense.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
I don't know why I'm bumping this thread. Sharing the misery, I guess. Posted by Lost Ashes (Member # 6745) on :
I just don't even know what to say about that, it is just so far outside of my ability to consider that someone could do that.
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
Supposedly, after she found her newborn dead, she started drinking steadily. That's one way to react I suppose. The other boy reportedly died shortly thereafter. I wondered (because this story has been on the news here locally heavily for several days) if the boys had fetal alcohol syndrome considering the obvious alcoholism of their mother. I can't understand how it got to the point that it could happen. Someone *had* to know about the boys neglect since they were all three chronically malnutreated.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
One more reason to stick with my career plans. Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
Oh man. That's just awful. I don't understand how people can behave like that. Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
Stories like that hit me so much more now that I've got a kid. It makes me sick to my stomach thinking of it. My wife can't even watch the news anymore when they do a story about things like this.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
I wonder why she even bothered to name her children.
I always look at the names and think, "Was this random? Did she actually care about the children so much that she wanted to bestow these particular names, or did she just throw out the first thing that came to mind?"
Zan: I know. A few months ago a 16-year-old boy drowned in Tucson while he was fishing and when they showed his face on the news I just freaked. And that wasn't even a case of abuse or anything.
[ November 18, 2004, 04:45 PM: Message edited by: PSI Teleport ]
Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
Stories like these are part of the reason I no longer watch or even really read the news anymore. It makes me too sad. So, my sources for news now basically are my husband and Hatrack.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Sorry to prevent you from avoiding it then, Ludosti.
I don't watch the evening news either, and sensationalistic, horrific stories are a big reason why. I still keep informed, but not that way.
Zan, this made me sick to read, too. Stories like that just bring tears to my eyes.
She let one kid die so she drank herself into a stupor. Never mind the other two kids in the house. F*cking evil. Did you see her picture? She sure wasn't malnourished.
I'll stop now, promise.
Posted by enjeeo (Member # 2336) on :
quote: He held five women as sex slaves, but when he gets caught, he's stricken with remorse?
Uh, yeah...sorry to GET CAUGHT! B@$tard.
Posted by AmkaProblemka (Member # 6495) on :
It is fun naming things, just like it is fun dressing up cute little dolls. That is probably about as much thought as she put into it.
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
If you were the attorney that had been provided by the state in a case like this, how would you not just go, "You're pretty much screwed. Let's just try to get jail time instead of The Chair."
"On the other hand, nevermind. Let's get you that Chair."
(You'd at least have to think it.)
Posted by Sopwith (Member # 4640) on :
Remember, too, that Social Services had apparently visited her on a number of occasions. From the sketchy details in the story, one of the visits sounded like it had been somewhat recent and that all of the children had been suffering from malnourishment for some time.
They also mention that they were having problems finding the report in question. Could this incident have happened because one social worker lost the paperwork on their desk because of either laziness or too heavy of a workload?
From Florida to Illinois to this one over the last year, we're beginning to see some problems with our social services system. Is it at the breaking point, or has it come to a place where apathy is not rare among the employees anymore?
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
At least you can hope for the chair. Canada doesn't, and it pisses me off. And I can think of a whole lot of people who deserve to die a bloody painful long drawn out death. Like these people. Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I'd say overworked and not apathetic. Most social service case workers have caseloads three times what they should be. New Hampshire has been on a hiring freeze for years and so has not had enough social service folks for a long time.
Please don't blame the workers themselves. Blame the system, as the system doesn't place enough value on the lives of children to give enough funding to employ the proper amount of some of those who are supposed to protect them.
Posted by kfander (Member # 3737) on :
Children with reactive attachment disorder are not always as severaly disordered as some of those described in this thread, but even those who are can be healed. It's a difficult process because therapy is usually dependent upon trust, at some level, and this is the very thing that these kids don't have. radkid.org
Posted by Mama Squirrel (Member # 4155) on :
Why, oh why, do these people have foster children if they think they themselves are a danger to them?
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:Police said no charges had been filed against the parents. "Basically, the parents thought they were providing for the protection of the children from themselves and from each other," said Sommers. "They thought there was circumstances with these children that warranted the cages at night," Sommers added, but he would not go into details of what those circumstances were.
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
Hell is not enough for those "parents".
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I would like to know how they managed to get their hands on ELEVEN innocent children? Did they never get home visits?
Posted by littlemissattitude (Member # 4514) on :
I found this quote in an AP story on AOL News:
quote:"We're still trying to figure out what happened in that home," Dumbeck said Tuesday. "We don't have any indication at this point that there was any abuse."
Dumbeck is identified earlier in the story as Erich Dumbeck, director of the Huron County Department of Job and Family Services.
Isn't making kids sleep in cages, by definition, abuse? And why cannot the director of Family Services figure that out? Seems fairly obvious to me.
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka: I would like to know how they managed to get their hands on ELEVEN innocent children? Did they never get home visits?
I have a friend who is a foster parent. She says that the caseworker is supposed to visit at least once a month. Besides the initial pre-placement visit, she has never had a visit.
She is constantly getting called by the caseworkers, begging her to take in another child, always last minute, always in a desperate situation. She lives in a one-bedroom apartment, and has said that she can not handle more than one baby at a time.
She is a wonderful, loving, and responsible woman. But honestly, how can the caseworkers know that? They never supervise her. I worry about foster parents who may not be as able as she is.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Oy.
Don't get me wrong. I am more than aware that caseworkers in most areas are completely overloaded. And I don't doubt that many foster parents are as wonderful as your friend. But clearly, not all are.
Another sad comment on where we, as a society, spend our resources. Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
There were several stories in the news in TX last year about children dying either in foster care or being placed back with parents. Reportedly, in all the cases the social workers weren't checking in, and in a couple, the parent/foster parent had left repeated desperate messages with the social worker that never got answered in the weeks leading up to the death.
Another indication that we really need to make it possible for social workers to do their jobs effectively.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
I just read another article. Apparently, the parents now claim that a psychiatrist recommended that they make the kids sleep in cages. >_<
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
If so, the psychiatrist should be charged as well.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Darn straight. If it's true, he should also have his license revoked.
Posted by Mama Squirrel (Member # 4155) on :
I'm still stunned what the first guy calls 'a mistake'. And his disassociation with parts of his body, blaming that part of his body for the 'mistake'.
The mother was hardly more than a baby herself when she had her daughter. It makes me wish we still had a strong social more for young unwed pregnant girls having the baby quietly ("she's off visiting her aunt while she recovers from a bad case of mono...") and giving it up for adoption.
Posted by Juxtapose (Member # 8837) on :
quote:He told police that while changing her soiled diaper, a part of his body "made a mistake" and he had intercourse with the toddler. Turner said he ended the assault by kicking the child in the head, because she wouldn't wake up.
What? WHAT!? Just...WHAT!?
I'm in some kind of cyclic state of disbelief. That level of cruelty and stupidity is simply above and beyond. Definitely a good candidate for a particularly severe ass kicking.
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I can't fathom someone doing something so awful. It makes me ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Never mind the other two kids in the house. F*cking evil. Did you see her picture? She sure wasn't malnourished.