Dangit, I don't have the time to follow Hatrack the way I did back when I was employed. Watching Mooselet takes far more time. I thought I was doing a pretty good job keeping up, but pretty important things appear to slip past me.
Could we have a list here of people who are currently gone (whether temporarily or permanently) and a brief as-spinless-as-possible summary of the reason?
This is sorta joking, but sorta not. I really can't keep up with who has left. Sometimes it happens in serious threads that have gotten argumentative enough that I no longer have interest, sometimes in fluff threads that I stopped reading long ago, sometimes in legit topics of which I have no real knowledge of the topic and thus nothing to add to the conversation (e.g. Harry Potter, LotR, Mafia).
It doesn't all have to be about people who left angry, either. I like the reminders about Blackfox and Lalo. At Shinda III we were discussing Yank and his schedule-of-return (which nobody knew for sure). It would be really nice to have a fairly comprehensive list, because my memory just isn't what it used to be.
But he's also coming back in a week, so I'm not sure if I belong on a missing persons list.
Posted by ginette (Member # 852) on :
I am kind of irregular lately. Do some lurking and very little posting (trying to postpone this landmark thing). I am not angry, only a little sad.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
*pat pat* Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
I'm packing to leave on my first visit to TX -- house hunting and putting a few things in storage.
Have trailer, will travel!!!
I'll check in on Monday...
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
Caleb Varns is on a hiatus for at least a little while. katharina is away this week. GreNME posts only rarely and is more or less gone. Pat claimed to be going on hiatus, but he still posts from time to time. Strider is only posting occasionally and only as his alter-ego Sho'nuff to delay his landmark.
I'm sure there are more. Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
Belle has dropped off the radar, too. Life stuff, you know. Either that or she's hiding from me. Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
And Slash appears to be gone as well, though I have no clue for how long or why.
Hobbes Posted by ak (Member # 90) on :
Slashy still lives in cyberspace, in our various games and on AIM. I talked to him the day before yesterday. If he's stopped posting I don't know why. Maybe he just doesn't see anything on the board in particular need of his mordant wit.
Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
Olivet, Belle has, indeed, stopped posting here.
Posted by Pod (Member # 941) on :
I've stopped posting.
just to let you know.
heh.
Posted by Destineer (Member # 821) on :
Why'd Belle stop?
Posted by Nato (Member # 1448) on :
I miss jkkirk.. I even forget exactly why she left.
Posted by Danzig (Member # 4704) on :
Cedrios, I believe. Although it was a long time ago, so I might have confused that incident with another.
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
Posted by Maethoriell (Member # 3805) on :
Highschool occupies me.
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
Nato - jkkirk may still live among us... namelessly, of course.
I miss Skyweir (our MIA Aussie) and Sal (our MIA German). And I wish ae would post more often, but I may simply be missing his stuff cause we're posting in different threads.
I always miss Feyd, the big busy goober. Amira, Jebus, and a few others that I'll think of later.
Stupid people. They should just never go away from Hatrack. Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
Ralphie - I think Feyd just may be super busy. Slacker and I visited him in Tucson a week ago. He's getting ready to TA some classes down there and is working on a MA/PhD simultaneously.
Posted by Toretha (Member # 2233) on :
But Mae, look at the bright side: after high school there, college will be a SNAP
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
Lusti - Yeah, Big Busy Goober seems to fit him nicely.
Score if he gets to come have dinner with you guys though. I'm not sure which I would be more jealous of. Posted by Taberah (Member # 4014) on :
It's been a long time since I posted on a regular basis, and that was under a different name. For a while I was buried with work from school, and in about two months I'll have all of my attention taken up by a different sort of school.
Quite frankly, it's just too much work to keep up with everything that goes on here. I just drop in every now and then to see how things are going.
Posted by kwsni (Member # 1831) on :
Feyd is slowly weaning himself off of hatrack for reasons I won't go into, but he's still very much in evidence in Chat.
I miss DB, who hasn't posted anywhere but his own website since the camelot mafia game.
I think Bernard should post more, maybe he will now that he's not eating, drinking, and breathing chinese, and has real classes like the rest of us slackers.
Fael has been buried up to her neck in work and school since Wenchcon.
I haven't seen Sev around in a LONG time...
IrishAphrodite seems to have totally disappeared.
Rakeesh has been scarce, too.::glares at Jeff::
Jenny Gardener can't post too much, she's such a sweetie.
Zevlag hasn't been around either, He might be doing school stuff.
I still miss Yank cleaning up everyone's brains.
Kwea hasn't been around forever, and we were going to do something in Mancelona some time...
Ladyday's been hard to find...
I, too, miss Sky.
I wish Policyvote posted more, though I always think Lucky Charms! before I read any of his posts.
Laitment/RavenXa/Fishboy definitely needs to post more.
Ph has disappeared.
Where did Vault girl go?
I miss Slim, too.
And Olivia, you don't post enough, either.
::goes back through her AIM list:: I think that's most of them.
Ni!
Posted by JaneX (Member # 2026) on :
quote:I still miss Yank cleaning up everyone's brains.
So do I. I miss Sky, too.
~Jane~
Posted by The Silverblue Sun (Member # 1630) on :
How many of them did I drive off?
Jettboy and Baldar. I wonder who else?
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
This is a depressing thread. It needs to go away.
Posted by ak (Member # 90) on :
I miss sky too! Arrrrgh! Skyweir, we need our father! Plus I read the books that your name comes from and I want to talk to you about that. Plus I need a heart to heart with my daddy very badly right now. <wails like a baby for her father>
Posted by Steerpike (Member # 5179) on :
Well....I came for a couple of weeks...then I left. And I guess now *big swooning sigh* He's come back...!
Posted by Jaiden (Member # 2099) on :
Let's see here, going through my AIM list, here are people I haven't seen around or haven't seen around enough... (my AIM list is, of course, not complete...)
Jeni Bernard Amira Severian Belle Rakeesh Ronin Caleb Porce Saud Doug J Darth Fox Ele DB Leto IndexCard Jebus Tres MCopia KrankyKat Miro LadyDay (Billie) Skywier pH Nndraa (Sandra) PrimalCurve Marce Raven The Pixiest Jettboy Pat (I haven't seen him around... but then again, I haven't been reading all the threads...) Bonduca Pod went through a phase of not hatracking, but he seems to be around again Dean and Mikey Sarfa Elysium IrishAphrodite19
Sorry to those I've missed... I'm going to blame it on the fact I'm half asleep
[ August 24, 2003, 11:24 PM: Message edited by: Jaiden ]
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
Skyweir is still around, but he doesn't post at Hatrack anymore. He is very involved with several other forums that JaneX and I go to. But I will let him know he is missed. I very much enjoyed his presence at Hatrack.
**Ela**
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
Javert.
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
WmLambert 'left' to Ornery, as far as I can tell. Leto posts over there as well.
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
And speaking of people who aren't around as much, Moose, I sure miss chatting with you. You are always on away message...
**Ela**
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
Nice lists, Becky and Jaids. It made me remember all the people I miss. Especially Billie.
I miss Javert, too, Kama.
And Sandy.
[ August 24, 2003, 07:25 PM: Message edited by: Ralphie ]
Posted by IrishAphrodite19 (Member # 1880) on :
I'm still here, I've just slipped into lurkerdom. High school takes up alot of time, and (I think) removes the ability to have intelligent conversation and opinions. Also, my IM has changed. Its LHSBlondy now.
~~Irish~~
Posted by Jeni (Member # 1454) on :
My posting rate is the lowest it's ever been by far, but I'm still alive. I may be around more now that I'm back and school and don't have to spend every waking moment at work.
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
I was practically glued to Hatrack this summer, but with 18 credit hours this semester, I'll probably ease up. If I don't, Somebody please tell me to stop screwing around and get back to work.
Oh, wait. I'm serious.
--Ashley--
[ August 24, 2003, 09:42 PM: Message edited by: sarcasticmuppet ]
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Ashley, stop screwing around and get back to work!
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
Tell me that in exactly one week and 3.25 hours. Posted by sarfa (Member # 579) on :
Ludosti, that was me that was getting ready to TA and the whole masters/phd thing. Feyd is working to finish his Masters in arctitecture in texas.
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Wow, ludosti (or lusti as I always liked calling her) and the letters T&A in the same sentence! Posted by celia60 (Member # 2039) on :
sarfa, i'm doing that now as well.
sev sent me an email on my birthday, but i haven't heard from him since.
Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
That's right! Where's the d'oh! smiley....
And seeing lusti and T&A in the same sentence somehow makes me happy...
[ August 24, 2003, 11:21 PM: Message edited by: ludosti ]
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
The only person on Jaiden's list that just dropped off without any reason that I could tell was Rakeesh. Is he o.k.? All the rest of those people either left for reasons that I know about, or barely posted at all to bein with, and I'm assuming that their absence just kind of morphed into having a life away from Hatrack.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
What happened to Doug J?
Hobbes Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
quote: I'm assuming that their absence just kind of morphed into having a life away from Hatrack.
People with a life: Hatrack's quitters.
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
The last I heard, Doug J was having fun with his salad shooter. I'm assuming this experience opened a whole new world for him and he is now shooting salads with gleeful abandon, which in turn means he has no time for Hatrack.
Posted by ak (Member # 90) on :
What ever happened to coil? I miss his backward smilies. (:
Posted by Feyd Baron (Member # 1407) on :
Alright, I'll clear up the minor confusion. Though Sarfa did a fine job. Yes, I'm currently in the process of weaving my way through two masters degrees. Yes, it did keep me very busy up until about late April. I've been relatively care free since then, and dabbling in expiriencing real life in small doses. Yes, Becky is right. I am weaning myself off hatrack for reasons I've mentioned previously. But worry not, I have plans for a few months in the future, and will have to hang around at least that much longer.
I miss Doug J as well. He was one of two people I considered to be my Hatrack mentors.
Feyd Baron, DoC
Posted by Richard Berg (Member # 133) on :
School starts tomorrow, my birthday needs to be celebrated, and it's all kicked off by taking a buddy to the airport at 5:30am. So yeah, anyone not named "my pillow" probably won't see me for awhile.
Oh, and just to be an old fart, I'll note that D. Michael Martindale seems to have left.
Posted by ak (Member # 90) on :
Hey, that's true! And what ever happened to Graham, Barb, Audrey, and all those other BMLers?
Speaking of people gone a long time ago, I miss Survivor. He always had great things to say.
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
The last time Rakeesh posted was about a month ago. I sent him an email about 1 or 2 weeks ago, but haven't heard back from him.
Posted by amira tharani (Member # 182) on :
I'm here. I just don't post much - working full time does that. I lurk in my lunch breaks or if I log on at home. Good to see you back, Richard.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
You know, d michael was the reason I joined Hatrack. I saw him post something that I found ridiculous, and had to register so that I could refute what he had to say. I chickened out, though (at least I think I did), and ended up lurking for a month or so before I actually started posting.
People who are long gone who I miss include Sam Bush, masteroftheobvious, Survivor, surveyor10 (or something like that--anybody else remember him? He was Eastern European, although I can't remember what country right now), Pieman, Bonducca, dean, mikey, and paul. I kind of miss pYx, but I also kind of don't.
There are a lot of people who've disappeared recently that I miss, but I have hopes that they'll be coming back. The people above have been gone too long for me to think that there's much chance that we'll be seeing them again.
There have been some recent returnees who I've been very happy to see, including KEGE, Brettly "I love handguns" 10 , Yhozik, and a couple of others who I was thinking of when I started this post, but who've been driven out of my head by hydrocodone.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
Hydrocodone?
I have faith that all will eventually return to the fold. It's one of my defining faiths, actually.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Yeah CT, I hurt myself at Aikido again on Sunday. I was trying a backward roll, following the directions of another student (no instructor on the weekends; it's just an opportunity to practice), and really hurt my neck. It was just a case of my doing something stupid, and being lucky that I didn't actually break my neck. The hydrocodone was something I had left over from when I had kidney stones awhile back; I haven't seen a doctor about this yet. I think I will though; I've never been to a chiropracter, and I know that there is some debate as to whether they are of any value, but this seems like a good time to find out. Then again, I may just go to a massage therapist; I haven't quite decided.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
Ouch! I'm glad you really, really like Aikido.
So, no numbness or tingling in your hands or feet, everything working properly, I take it. (?)
As for the chiropractic thing, I do believe that they are some of the best at relieving musculoskeletal pain. There are case reports of long-term damage from overly aggressive techniques, but I suspect that these are weighted in media reporting.
Massage therapy and over the counter anti-inflammatories might be a great first try. On the other hand, if you want to do chiropractic, I'd ask around for personal references. Your massage therapist would probably be a great resource for this info, too.
Good luck!
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
I?m trying hard to go to lurker status. But I?m not on anyone?s AIM list, so I?ll slip away quietly.
I do miss porcelain girl. I like her posts.
Posted by James Tiberius Kirk (Member # 2832) on :
' key broken, afr?
[ August 25, 2003, 11:35 AM: Message edited by: James Tiberius Kirk ]
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
What ever happened to Porce, anyway? Did she just drift away, or did something cause her to leave.
CT--Ha! When I heard my neck make that hidious noise, I thought "what the hell am I doing in this class", but the thing is, I really do like Aikido; this was just me being stupid and following some not-so-great advice from a fellow student.
Everything is working fine--no numbness or anything. I'm feeling a bit dizzy, but I'm fairly sure that it's from the hydrocodone; I didn't feel this way until I took it (have I ever mentioned how much I hate taking drugs? I really can't imagine why someone would take something like this recreationally).
I've made an appointment with a chiropracter for this afternoon, going that route rather than going to an MT for insurance reasons. I feel kind of apprehensive about it, but we'll see how it goes.
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
Nah, I just like sounding curious all the time.
Seriously, when I write my posts in Word or SimpleText, which is most of the time, all the apostrophes show up as question marks. This seems to be a Mac/Netscape thing. I like Netscape 6 a whole lot so far, but this is definitely a glitch. I?m not sure how to fix it. But that, as they say, is life.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
Noemon, how'd it go? *fingers crossed
Your insurance covers chiropractic? Wow. Is the practioner provided through an HMO?
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
I think it went fairly well. I'm in slight discomfort rather than intense pain, which is definitely an improvement. When I'm not moving around I'm barely even uncomfortable, actually. I'm supposed to go back on Thursday for a final spine popping.
It's very unnerving to by lying there on a table, some guy holding your head at a very unnatural angle, thinking "I'm not sure that I don't think that this guy is a quack, and he's in a position to snap my neck like a twig".
My insurance seems to be much better than the average plan. They have a huge array of practicioners of one thing or another under their umbrella, including accupuncturists, to my surprise, and I'm lucky in that one of the perks of my job is that the company pays for 100% of my health insurance. All I have to pay for is co-pays and a percentage of the cost of perscription medications.
Posted by ak (Member # 90) on :
The theory behind what chiropractors do is so bizarre that I can't credit it. CT, are there studies that show outcomes one way or another? I always dismissed the anecdotal evidence exactly in the same way that I do the claim by all casino gamblers I know that they come out ahead. 100% of the people I've talked to about gambling in casinos claim to come out ahead. Yet somehow I remain unconvinced that these places are run by the mob as a public service to give away money to needy gamblers.
I know only one case personally of someone visiting a chiropractor, where I was able to observe the outcome firsthand, and he ended up in traction. I've read about their theories, which sound bizarre and totally ludicrous, contradicting many well known things about biology and the human body. That's why I'm amazed to hear you sounding not unfavorable to them, CT. Now I'm highly curious. Please, tell us what you know!
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
ak, I go to a chiropractor on a semi-regular basis because it's the only thing that really helps my back. When I first started having trouble, I went to an orthophedic doctor about it. I had an MRI, bone scan, blood work, went through physical therapy, etc. and none of it worked. I was 25 and living in constant pain and the doctors couldn't find any reason why. He finally recommended that I see a chiropractor.
I had always thought they were akin to witch doctors, so I was apprehensive, but I was getting desparate. After a few visits, the pain was gone.
I now go every 2 to 4 months depending on how active I've been.
ak, you may be thinking of chiropractors who believe spinal manipulation is a cure-all for all types of ailments right down to the common cold. The one I go to is realistic about what he can and can't do.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
I can't speak for CT of course, but that isn't going to stop me from jumping in with my own take on them.
I would guess that if your problem is that, say, you tried a backward roll, came down hard on your neck, heard a revolting little snapping type sound, and now are experiencing intense pain in your neck and shoulders when you do damned near anything (hypothetically speaking, of course), someone who specialized in popping vertabrae into alignment isn't a bad person to go to, assuming that they're actually good at what they do.
I'm skeptical, though, of their claims that just about every physical ailment known to humanity is caused by misalignment of the spine, and probably wouldn't go to them for anything that didn't seem to *me* to be caused by having screwed up my neck or back.
That said, it's possible that they're right. I doubt it, but then accupuncture sounds pretty ludicrous to me on the face of it, but there have been enough well constructed experiments proving various accupuncture claims to be true that I think that any unbiased observer would have to admit that there's something to it. I don't personally buy the whole meridian theory that underlies it, but I do think that there's something to accupuncture itself.
I'm not really all that familiar with the claims of chiropracters though; do they claim that they're essentially relieving pressure on pressure points, and that having those pressure points pressed is what is causing the various pressing concerns for which their patients come to them.
I couldn't think of a good way to work "The Press", as in the media, into that sentence, although I really wanted to.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
ak, it's a question worthy of a detailed answer, and I'll try to give that later.
Basically, what Noemon said. I also am very skeptical about claims regarding the effectiveness of chiropractic therapy to treat general medical illnesses (such as diabetes). However, from a musculoskeletal standpoint, we have a lot of data from manipulation techniques in the osteopathic branch of medicine, and the NIH's alternative/complementary medicine wing has been gathering data via the Consortial Center for Chiropractic Research. Pilot data was sufficiently interesting to support the allotment of research grants.
However -- as always, the "however" is pretty big -- I applaud the skeptical approach here. I'll puzzle through specific studies and see what I can come up with for you. The data's out there, but it awaits our critical eye. Posted by ak (Member # 90) on :
<laughs> I don't at all rule out the possibility that there could be some merit to their practice, despite the theory being untenable. I think accupuncture is believed now to work for scientific reasons. And it's true that science would not have come up with such a treatment on its own. Lots of empirical knowledge, like the skills of the ancient swordmaker, or my mom's teachings about making a good cake from scratch, are contained in prayers or songs or some ritual which codifies a method that works, even if it's not a very good model at all of WHY it works.
There was a thing about accupuncture and other traditional folk medical remedies on Scientific American Frontiers, and they showed that while accupuncture in general seems to be of benefit, the theory explaining which accupuncture point was good for what ailment didn't seem to have any merit. That is, one point was about as good as another.
That's why I am quite leery of chiropractors. I fear that they don't sufficiently realize what they do not know. (Of course, this is also true for the usual run of scientific doctors, so who knows?) (CT being far above the usual run, of course, which is why I'm very curious to hear what she knows.)
Edit: this post logically belongs above CT's. She posted while I was writing.
[ August 26, 2003, 10:24 AM: Message edited by: ak ]
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
Noemon, you pain me.
It's a good pain, but nonetheless.
I ache from the burden of your excruciating wit. Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
Yep, ak, I'm right with you. There was a period of time where some chiropracters were convinced that it would be helpful to attempt manipulation under general anesthesia, with the muscles completely relaxed.
It wasn't. Lots of damage done, there.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
The theory of non-quack chiropractic medicine that I have heard, (though I'm interested and wating for CT's explanation too) is that the spine is the conductor for most of your nervous system messages. To me this makes sense, your spinal cord is there and we know how important it is!
If your spine gets out of alignment due to injury it can put pressure on your spinal chord and cause pain. If your spine alignment is slightly out and say your elbow is already bruised or damaged, it can magnify the pain that already exists. Pain can actually disrupt the healing process particularly if other nervous system messages that would promote healing aren't getting through.
Many chiropractors today work in conjunction with occupational and physical therapists. The chiropractor aligns the spine and the therapists work on the muscles to get them back to behaving how they are supposed too. Chiropractors also use electronic stimulation to trigger the muscles to relax,(relaxed muscles makes it easier to re-align the spine and ultrasound therapy, as well as standard heat and cold packs.)
Maybe instead of getting an MBA, I should become a chiropractor for my next career!
Personally, I have mild degenerative disc disease in my cervical vertebrae (C2-C4, I believe). This was caused initially by an athletic injury in my teens and got progressively worse over time. I began to have migraines. M.D's are able to prescribe some pretty good drugs for migraines that help but in my case the drugs were not treating the root cause. (Enlighten me CT if I'm not giving the MD's enough credit)
I was having muscle spasms in my neck and shoulders, and was caught in a degnerative cycle, my neck would get a bit out of alignment and my muscles would spasm and make it worse, and then I'd get a migraine. Since I was in school, sometimes my muscles would spasm from stress, pulling my neck out, I'd get a tension headache first and then I'd get a migraine.
Working with a chiropractor, we were able to keep me from having migraines the majority of the time I was in school. If I ignored the warning signals and didn't go to the chiropractor I would get migraines. If I didn't and saw him on average of about once every 2.5 weeks, I wouldn't get migraines. For me it was that simple.
However, my first year of grad school things changed, suddenly the frequency of my migraines increased. I started being adjusted twice a week and it wasn't helping. Both my chiropractor and I recognized this change and that something was different, and he referred me to an M.D. that was a pain specialist. (The quackier chiropractors wouldn't ever refer you to an M.D.) For some reason my body had basically started attacking itself and instead of healing had started inflaming and swelling all of the muscles in my neck. The MD after MRI reviews reccommended that long lasting low-level steroids be injected into my spinal column and facet joints to minimize the swelling. Neither of them could figure out exactly what triggered this change. In hindsight I can tell you exactly what caused it... stress and likely nothing else. The M.D. also prescribed prescription muscle relaxants which were helpful but I would have to take one every night in order to sleep, and then either be in pain throughout the day, or if I took another pill so groggy I was barely functioning.
The procedure helped and I was able to make it through one year of grad school. However it was not a cure and I ended up becoming increasingly in pain, miserable and depressed during my second year at which time I withdrew from the university. The physical therapists that were also working with me were amazed that I made it as long as I had given that the muscles in my back were as hard as rock from the spasms.
Quitting the Master's program was probably the best thing I could have done for myself. After we moved, my migraines vanished. It took a couple months of R&R before I was ready to look for a job but the lack of stress made all of the difference in the world. Once I was working full time again, I could feel the tension in my shoulders and neck begin to develop, but was able to find a chiropractor up here and get occasionally adjusted before things got out of hand. He also took x-rays of my neck and was very impressed by the work the chiropracctor in Oklahoma did. You can see where the initial degeneration took place, but can also tell that the progress of the degeneration has been halted.
I went into intensive physical therapy and a program of regular adjustments with him after my car crash in January to avoid any additional complications and degeneration from whiplash. (After the accident I could barely move out of soreness and the same day after the adjustment I was doing much, much better.) I also went to him after my gall bladder surgery when my right side was extremely sore because I had all kinds of IV's hooked up to me and was sleeping very uncomfortably in the hospital bed. He performed adjustment techniques on me that normally are only used on pregnant women to avoid abdominal pressure. They work just as well on the patient but I gather are a little more difficult for the chiropractor to do.
For me it is a simple choice. Go to a chiropractor once a month or constantly worry about having migraine medication on hand to take when I feel a migraine coming on. The worry over meds and not knowing precisely when a migraine might hit just increases my stress levels that much more which is exactly what I don't need!
(Incidentally, now that I'm not totally new at my job my stress levels have dropped considerably which corresponds to a dropping level of chiropractic visits)
AJ
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Note: At no time did I think my chiropractor was competent for curing my gall bladder problem nor would he have ever made any recommendations on the subject. His twin brother happens to be a podiatrist, and sometimes will refer patients to a chiropractor, when they are still having back pain after the root cause of their problem, messed up feet that are putting them off balance, is corrected.
AJ
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
quote:I ache from the burden of your excruciating wit.
Really CT? I actually thought that that particular joke was kind of lame. Not a bad idea, but poorly executed. Basically I just noticed that I was using some form or another of the word "press" too often, and decided to ham it up rather than actually going back and fixing it.
Banna--
I'll probably say more later, but for now, .
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
Noemon, the lamer the joke, the better. There's a sort of awesome shudder that comes with a really bad pun (or alliteration) which can hardly be rivalled. Exquisite torturous pleasure.
Almost as good as the Gelatinous Mass, eh? *wink, wink, nudge nudge
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Nothing beats the Gelatinous Mass!
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Noemon you could use "Press" thus:
Do their press statments claim that they're essentially relieving pressure on pressure points, and that having those pressure points pressed is what is causing the various pressing concerns for which their patients come to them?
...now that we've completely derailed the thread...
AJ
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
@ ak
(While it's well known that the plural of anecdote is not data, this does not lead to the conclusion that all anecdotes are automatically false. It would be equally fallacious reasoning to automatically discount an anecdote as it would be to automatically believe a conclusion because of one.)
I have very limited knowledge of chirpractice, but the few friends I have had who go to chiropractors seem to have essentially become "dependent" on them. I don't know anybody who went to a chiropractor once or a half-dozen times and was "fixed," and never went back. That concerns me a bit.
Posted by odouls268 (Member # 2145) on :
ODOULS IS STILL HERE
and as far as chiropractors go, ive been a few times, and for just one reason: it feels nice.
Quote all the scientific research you want, doesnt change the fact that when i get crunched, i say 'oh bless you kind sir'.
Truth be told, im not lurking, just pop in from time to time, i work a whole bunch so time is thin. but im not dead, contrary to popular rumor. Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
My problem was chronic before I ever saw a chiropractor. Yes, there are some people that seem to go frequently when it isn't terribly necessary. Many of those also go to the totally "holistic" chiropractors that I would view as "quackier". The chiropractors aren't going to turn down the money though. Even if it is psychological, the people think they are feeling better and maybe they are.
With my particular chiropractor, he has a prescribed course of treatment in sequence of visits, and is able to say, within a range, how many visits you should need for common problems like accident whiplash.
Other than accident victims I suspect there are other people like me out there with chronic problems that need more regularly scheduled adjustments just because of the nature of the problem. I have mildly degenerated discs, and I'm sure there are others out there like me that all you can hope for is to slow or arrest the degeneration for the rest of your life. As it is at age 24 those discs of mine already look like those of a 50 year old. I've seen the x-rays myself and they aren't pretty compared to normal, healthy cervical vertebrae.
AJ
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
afr - I'd miss you.
Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
I had the same skepticism about chiropractors as many of you. Several months ago I injured my back and my doctor sent me to a chiropractor. I was surprised. My visits were much more like physical therapy (heat packs, ultrasound therapy, etc.) than like voodoo back-cracking magic. After about 4-5 visits, my pain was completely gone, as was the inflammation. He taught me exercises to do to strengthen my back muscles with the expectation that if I did them regularly, I should "never have another problem with my back". I guess it all depends on who you go to see....
Does anyone know what happened to pH? I've been wondering how she's doing...
[ August 26, 2003, 12:30 PM: Message edited by: ludosti ]
Posted by ak (Member # 90) on :
Hi Icky, how'd you come out in Biloxi? Won, did ya?
<giggles> You're just the most recent in a long line, so please don't think I was jeering at your lack of math skills, (or yours in particular, at any rate.) Just making a scientific observation about anecdotal data.
Posted by Chaeron (Member # 744) on :
Ahem, Thor,
Don't take credit for getting rid of Jettboy, that was my doing and you know it.
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
afr, I would miss you, too.
O.K. Not to beat a dead horse, but I am somewhat worried. Zgator says that he sent Rakeesh an email and didn't get anything back. I just want to know if Rakeesh is alive. He posted here an awful lot to just suddenly stop without saying anything, or without having some kind of blowout. I know he was tight with some of you on the forum. Do none of you know what has become of him?
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I haven't seen him. I don't have AIM anymore, but I didn't get an answer back to an e-mail I sent a while ago.
Anyone else?
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
I'm also worried about Jeff.
Just sent an e-mail. I hope he's okay. Posted by kwsni (Member # 1831) on :
I think I've got Jeff's phone number rattling around somewhere at home. I'll try to call him this weekend and make sure everythings ok.
Ni!
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
Thanks. Posted by Jeni (Member # 1454) on :
Jeff's gone missing before, for much longer than this. Last time his computer died. It's probably something like that again.
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
Yes, Jeni, I was going to say that, too. And the last time he went missing, I was very frustrated cause the emails I sent him bounced back.
So I imagine he'll turn back up.
Posted by kwsni (Member # 1831) on :
I know, but this gives me a chance to call him.
Ni!
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
pH has not posted since I last saw her in boston... which worries me, as it raises the question of whether or not I kidnapped her.
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
Yeah, but I know she just went off to college in New Orleans. No offense, but if I was 18 and a freshman at college, I probably wouldn't post here, either, since I would be too involved with having and exploring my new found freedoms. Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Paul, you don't know?
Posted by Zalmoxis (Member # 2327) on :
Richard Berg, ak, et. al:
D. Michael is currently raising hell on the Association for Mormon Letters listserv. He also organizes the AML's yearly writers conference which last year included none other than the infamous Geoffrey Card.
EDIT: Oh, yeah, and he's written a (supposedly) controversial yet funny Mormon speculative fiction novel called _Brother Brigham_. I should also add that erstwhile poster Darlene has published several stories and poems in the AML's literary journal _Irreantum_. Considering Belle's recent successes and Andrew, etc. with Phobos, and, and... I wouldn't be suprised if in the next decade current and former Jatraqueros will account for thousands of published pages annually.
SECOND EDIT: I have nothing to say about chiropractors.
[ August 28, 2003, 08:51 PM: Message edited by: Zalmoxis ]
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
er...Kayla, what does Paul not know? Don't tell me something has happened to pH?
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
My concern is really that I haven't seen her online in about 4 months.
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
No, Paul said it raised questions about him kidnapping her. I just figured if he did kidnap her, he'd know about, so there really shouldn't be any questions. Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
There is always amnesia. Never rule it out.
Especially in my case. ASk my brother Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
And dude, kayla, what AIM do you use now?
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
quote:There is always amnesia. Never rule it out.
Just to be on the safe side, you might want to check your basement.
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Paul, something got really screwed up on my computer and AIM just royally sucks. It takes forever to sign on and then while I'm chatting with someone, it just freezes for no apparent reason and then a few minutes later, it just starts working again. Basically, I've given up AIM. I am, however, currently looking for some spyware programing. I've done the whole "search you computer" thing and it would seem there is a bunch of it on here. Maybe that is what's screwing everything up. I just don't buy stuff over the internet, and I have been to the store to see if they sell the software for getting rid of it, or not. Anyone have any other ideas about what is screwing up AIM so badly? And the general speed of my computer has drastically been reduced. I've deleted cookies, I've defraged. I've done everything I can think of. It just kinda sucks.
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Oh, and I'm a big believer in repressing memories. I've done it most of my life.
[ August 29, 2003, 10:43 AM: Message edited by: Kayla ]
Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
Kayla - After you've cleaned off your spyware (and uninstalled AIM), you could try using an alternate program to utilize your AIM sn, such as Trillian or DeadAIM. Trillian is useful for people with multiple instant messenger identities (AIM, Yahoo, etc.), because you can use all of them simultaneously. DeamAIM is like AIM, only better - no ads, logging, window transparency, personalization of buddy sn, and you can use multiple aim sns.
[ August 29, 2003, 01:16 PM: Message edited by: ludosti ]
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
Ni, did you ever try calling Jeff?
Posted by Nick (Member # 4311) on :
What about Frisco?
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
He just called me not long ago, Nick. He's got his Frisco travel bug, but hopefully we'll see him again soon. Posted by kwsni (Member # 1831) on :
Gator, I just found his number today, it's on my list of things to do as soon as i'm done with classes tomorrow.
Ni!
Posted by saberZedge (Member # 5274) on :
Since Jiaden actually noticed that I have not posted, it is because as Krankykat I quit posting. I lurk as saberZedge, and sign off as Krank when I rarely post. There are many changes and obligations in my life to post often. Hatrack is a great place and I enjoy looking at what others have to say.
I can speak for DB. Like me, he is busy teaching at a new school, and like me, his job is more demanding to post right now.
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
I miss you guys, both, a ton. Posted by kwsni (Member # 1831) on :
Ok, so jeff's fine. His computer's not working, but he was kind of taking a hiatus anyway, so everything's ok. He didn't have a chance to talk, he'd just gottenhome from work and was tired, so we'll talk more tomorrow.
I'm allowed to give his phone number to anyone who wants it, so IM me, or email me.
Ni!
Posted by m. bowles (Member # 3743) on :
The Unmaker is a busy man theese days. He is busy shaping the minds of our youth......that is a scary thought! Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
KACard seems to have left. The last time I saw her post was when the smilies were added and the landmark archives were set up. (You know, a lot of people don't like silly smilies or landmark posts, but leaving over it seems a bit extreme, don't you think?) I remember when she used to occasionally post . . . what kind of dog did she end up getting? (Or was that request on someone else's behalf?) Does anybody around here know her at all? Hey Geoff, somebody told me you know KACard. Is she doing alright?
Posted by Pat (Member # 879) on :
She posted today in Slash's sick thread.
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
Kewl. I just thought I'd mention that the time she posted before that was in a hatin' on OSC thread, wherein she said basically that the only reason she hadn't already deleted it was because she was too busy laughing at it.
(loves the mods)
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
kwsni, I would IM you, but I don't have your AIM.
**Ela**
[ September 17, 2003, 12:20 PM: Message edited by: Ela ]
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Guess she must have deleted it! Posted by kwsni (Member # 1831) on :
::blink:: I was almost sure i put it in my profile somewhere. THat's weird.
edit: it's in my profile, now.
Ni!
[ September 17, 2003, 01:05 PM: Message edited by: kwsni ]
Posted by Yebor1 (Member # 1380) on :
Im baaaaack
heh heh heh he heh?
Posted by Trogdor the Burninator (Member # 4894) on :
Welcome back Robey. In the time away did you learn how to spell?
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