I had the misfortune of sharing a bathroom with my brother this summer while we were home from college. And of course, me being the girl, I was the one ended up having to clean it over the course of the summer(my brother would never have lifted a finger, even if bribed to do it). I can handle cleaning any other part of the bathroom except the toilet. GROSSSS!!! *shudders at the mere thought* I swear, it was the most disgusting thing I have ever experienced (and I had to do it multiple times). Now I lived with four other girls during this past school year, and our toilet never got like that. But in a mere month my brother can turn a toilet into a pee covered nasty, nasty thing. Not to mention the floor around the toilet. *shudders again*
WHY must guys be so gross??? Can't they aim? Can't they quickly wipe up any little splashage? My husband better not be that gross or I'm having him cleaning the toilet everyday.
[ August 28, 2003, 10:07 PM: Message edited by: Damander ]
Posted by Danzig (Member # 4704) on :
Because we can. Posted by NewbTheTERRIBLErEVENge (Member # 5588) on :
This thread is just a wee little bit sexist, don'cha think, Damander?
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
It's much harder for women to miss the toilet.
Though, you'd be surprised at how many times women DO miss because they won't sit on the seat (just put down TP if you're that squicked).
However, it's way harder for us to pee in the woods. So much so that I'll purposely not drink enough water on hikes so that I won't HAVE to wee in the woods.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I would've made him clean it.
Posted by Damander (Member # 4439) on :
Newb: Isn't that the whole point?
mac: You don't know my brother... Posted by Fitz (Member # 4803) on :
Hey, it's especially tough to aim at 3 o'clock in the morning, when you're half asleep, and maybe even a little hungover. Give us a break. Posted by NewbTheTERRIBLErEVENge (Member # 5588) on :
LOL. Ok whatever. But sexist is sexist. and therefore I may site this as an example if I want to say something that would be interpreted as such. Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I've stopped spillage altogether now that I actually lean over the toilet.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
fitz, is this what the toilet is doing those times?
Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :
At the risk of being labeled something bad, I admit it. I have once or twice in my college life peed, missed, and then not cleaned it up.
WHY????
Because neither did the ten guys who used that cubicle before me, and I was trying to get out of there as fast as I could! Blechhhh....
Posted by Fitz (Member # 4803) on :
If a toilet ever had a reason to be happy, I suppose that would be a good one. Posted by Chade Fallstar (Member # 5581) on :
In all fairness, I've cleaned my share of bathrooms in public establishments in my day. And while men may pee on the seat, women leave a much bigger mess overall.
Perhaps we will start aiming better when you stop leaving toilet paper and...feminine products all over the floor. Eh ladies?
Posted by Celtic Flame (Member # 5556) on :
The Mens washrooms at Subway are always the worst ones to clean. I had to clean it two nights ago and man did that thing ever need bleach...except I used too much of it.
The job took twice as long just because I had to keep going out in the hallway for air.
Posted by NewbTheTERRIBLErEVENge (Member # 5588) on :
Gawannnnnnh! GawaannnH! I am psssyyycccchhhhiiiic, You Doo Not live in the U.S.!
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
My husband and I used to be our church custodians and the ladies' bathroom was ALWAYS more disgusting than the men's...mainly because women hover and pee all over the inside rim of the toilet, and never notice or don't care. Ladies should cover, not hover, unless you are prepared to clean up the pee from yourself and thirteen women before you...yucky. And I never ONCE had to clean up a mess that an older man made because he didn't make it to the bathroom on time, but it happened constantly for the older ladies. Women tend to leave bathrooms TEN times messier than men. Sorry, sisters. I think the whole problem is that women get too squicked at cleaning up their messes in a public place, but men (at least the good ones) would be ashamed not to. (Talking about BIG messes here, people.)
[ August 28, 2003, 11:27 PM: Message edited by: PSI Teleport ]
Posted by Chade Fallstar (Member # 5581) on :
Thanks PSI, I knew I was right about that, but it's good to have a woman back me up on it.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
No prob.
*Prepares to be destroyed by other women*
Posted by Damander (Member # 4439) on :
You people do have a point about public restrooms, but the ones at home are my main point of concern. I mean why wouldn't a man want his own bathroom to be clean and not smell overwhelmingly of pee??
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
My solution: Kick your brother in the yarbles and tell him to clean his own G.D. bathroom.
Posted by Damander (Member # 4439) on :
LOL! yarbles...
Posted by Human (Member # 2985) on :
Note all women of the world: I never, ever do that! One more point for me!
Posted by Erik Slaine (Member # 5583) on :
Don't forget overspray. You can't always allow for splashback.... Posted by Damander (Member # 4439) on :
Human, can I marry you?? Posted by luthe (Member # 1601) on :
Cause:
quote: And of course, me being the girl, I was the one ended up having to clean it over the course of the summer(my brother would never have lifted a finger, even if bribed to do it).
Effect:
quote:But in a mere month my brother can turn a toilet into a pee covered nasty, nasty thing. Not to mention the floor around the toilet.
I am also going to posit that if your four roomates each lived alone and had their own bathrooms, that they would have likly gotten much filthier. Peer Preasure has a great effect on making people behave their best.
The problem with missing the toilet is mostly that it is too low, now a urinal no one ever misses.
I would point out that a hard kick to the yarbles will likly make him miss all the more. Althought the threat of a repeat kick might get him off is butt.
Posted by dannyXcore (Member # 5332) on :
This threadname made me giggle. Congratulations. <3
Posted by littlemissattitude (Member # 4514) on :
A friend of mine - a male friend, by the way - had a solution to this problem: float a cork in the bowl. His reasoning: most men are so competitive that they would try to hit the cork, therefore miniminzing the chance of missing the bowl. I imagine that this would not be much of a solution for public men's rooms with urinals, but, hey, nothing is perfect. Posted by Zotto! (Member # 4689) on :
My mom teaches piano from her home. Needless to say, looooong after me and my brother got over our pee-on-the-seat habits, there were millions of people in our house that did the job for us.
And I repeats: GAAAAaaahhhh!
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
How rude. Removing the spoor after all the trouble your brother went through to mark his territory.
[ August 29, 2003, 05:14 AM: Message edited by: aspectre ]
Posted by Tristan (Member # 1670) on :
Why hasn't anyone suggested the obvious solution? Guys can sit down and pee too. I shared an apartment with two friends, one of whom was a girl, for several years, and we had an agreement that there should be no target practice in the loo and everybody should sit down. Worked perfectly well, if you ask me, and did not turn me into a woman or hurt my masculinity in any other way. Now when I have a bathroom of my own I continue the practice out of habit and because it IS more sanitary. It may not work in a public setting, but I think it is entirely reasonable that you girls require that your boyfriend/husband/family members use the home bathroom in this responsible fashion.
Posted by fil (Member # 5079) on :
Use Cheerios
fil
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
You know what's revolting? One summer I was painting a boy's bathroom in a grade school. The stall walls were terribly rusted from years of little boys peeing on them (accidentally or otherwise), and I had to sand the things down to the bare metal in order to get a paintable surface. Even through a dust mask, the smell of years old urine and rust was disgusting.
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
quote: Why hasn't anyone suggested the obvious solution? Guys can sit down and pee too. I shared an apartment with two friends, one of whom was a girl, for several years, and we had an agreement that there should be no target practice in the loo and everybody should sit down. Worked perfectly well, if you ask me, and did not turn me into a woman or hurt my masculinity in any other way.
That's your opinion, sport.
j/k
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
And to respond to the thread topic, I have observed that people with high icky thresholds
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are often much happier than those who are not. I invite any person who wishes to achieve this blissful state to work in construction for any length of time. The only toilet around is usually one or two hard working port-o-sans that only get emptied out every other week. Not only will your icky threshold vanish, but you will be exposed to some of the finest poetry and art man can produce.
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Tristan, I make my husband and son sit. I agree with you. Not only does it solve the pee everywhere problem, but it also solves the "put the seat down when you're done" problem. Posted by Damander (Member # 4439) on :
Come to think of it, my oldest brother (who is 14 years older and happily married with 6 kids) sits down to pee. No complaints from his wife, and his toilet is pee free. If only he was able to influence my other brother to do the same....
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Tristan
Kayla's husband and son
Buncha little girls!
And I agree with those who say women's public restrooms are messier. I had the bad luck to always get stuck with this duty at Pizza Inn (because I was stupid enough to do it really well once), and that is definitely the case.
And Storm's right: people with high icky thresholds are always happier than those without! Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Damander's oldest brother
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Oh, and, dingle! Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
I'm well trained to put the seat down, although I usually just sit down. I'm lazy like that...why stand when you can sit?
Posted by Toretha (Member # 2233) on :
Damander, is there any way for you to lock the bathroom from outside? and keep the key?
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
*has a remarkably high squick threshold
Still, Noemon, the thought of aerosolized dry urine and rust is giving me the ickies.
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
quote:Damander, is there any way for you to lock the bathroom from outside? and keep the key?
From the brief view we have of her brother, he might just pee on the door.
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
I would pee in the kitchen sink. It's at a much more convenient height, anyway.
[ August 29, 2003, 11:56 AM: Message edited by: Storm Saxon ]
Posted by Deirdre (Member # 4200) on :
People with high icky threshholds may be happier, but usually the people they live with are not.
At least that's what my husband tells me. Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
And, kids, there are a couple really good reason why men stand up to pee. This being a family forum, I don't wish to elaborate. Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Oh, yeah, right. Like your meat and potatoes are soooo long they'd fall in that cold water. Though you would know what it's like when men don't put the seat down and women fall in! Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
This whole argument leaves me flushed with embarrasment.
I mean, is Hatrack going down the drain or what?
I am really PO'd.
Haven't we plumbered the depth of this conversation?
Can I lower the lid on it?
Could we Sink lower?
(Good thing I'm typing this on an old computer, or you would have to read faster. I'm using a Commode-Odor 64)
This whole thread can be summed up in one high school cheer: "Stand up/Sit Down FIght Fight Fight"
PS What's wrong with bathroom humor?
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
quote:Tristan, I make my husband and son sit. I agree with you. Not only does it solve the pee everywhere problem, but it also solves the "put the seat down when you're done" problem.
Kayla, I am getting weird visuals about how this is enforced...
As for pee on the seat, and leaving the seat up, I cured myself, accidentally.
All it took in both cases was for me be the first one to have to sit and forget what I'd done.
In both cases, there were females in the house who had been victims of my behavior and got a really good laugh when I cried out in surprise and disgust. So much for women being more sympathetic than men..
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
sndrake, man, you're a sick puppy, huh? It much more along the lines of no dinner/sex/laundry type "make" him do it. He does little things for me, I do little things for him. Posted by Nick (Member # 4311) on :
I never miss, but my sister does make a lot of messes and blame them on me. And of course, because I'm the male, I am to blame.
I also second the fact that women leave their feminine products EVERYWHERE! It's gotten to the point that my dog comes in the bathroom and shreds the stuff all over the house.
GAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!
I do sympathize with Damander, because most guys--particulary my age--miss often, and don't make any effort to clean it either.
quote: and therefore I may site this as an example if I want to say something that would be interpreted as such.
Oh, and newb #5588, you can "site" all the examples you want all day.
newb #5588
Posted by SirReal (Member # 5257) on :
When I was in college I came up with the idea of the "pop-top" toilet. It's like the lid on a garbage can, when you step on a pedal the seat goes up, when you take your foot off the pedal the seat goes back down. Unfortunately, someone else had patented it before I could. It still hasn't taken off so maybe it wasn't that good of an idea.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
Sirreal,
Unless the lid had a slow pneumatic release, I could see lots of scenarios arising from simple klutziness to extreme drunkenness that could result in premature release of the lid and some unfortunate and painful injuries. Wonder if the device comes with a warning label?
Posted by SirReal (Member # 5257) on :
You know you're not supposed to operate complexed machinery while intoxicated. Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
Kayla, you made me laugh.
But that was only one of the two reasons, honey. Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Whoa what's up with the sitting thing??! My husband stands and I've never had to clean his pee off of anything. Do most women really have to fight over this?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Wow, the legend of the Man Who Can Aim is TRUE! PSI, you should call someone -- Guinness Book of World Records, maybe? Posted by Tristan (Member # 1670) on :
Now, since I don't want to be the one who lets this fascinating topic die, I have to ask: joking aside, are there any GOOD reasons as to why it would be advantageous for men doing the number one standing? We all seem to agree that sitting down -- on a toilet that are reasonably clean in the first place, of course -- is preferable from a sanitary point of view, and as TheTick so wisely observed, why stand when you can sit? Family forum it may be, but if those advocating against gay marriage are required to show logical evidence of what harm such a change would produce in society, I think Storm Saxon and Icarus owe it to those of us they so unthinkingly mocks to explain themselves.
Posted by SirReal (Member # 5257) on :
Most men will pee standing up because they can. It helps to define the modern man Posted by Tristan (Member # 1670) on :
Certainly a reason, SirReal, but not a good one.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
quote: as TheTick so wisely observed, why stand when you can sit?
Sheesh. That's easy - I'll say it. Kayla has already branded me a sick puppy so I have nothing to lose.
It's convenience. Pure and simple. Same reason so many of us men don't wash our hands. These two factors are the main reasons that men don't take as long using the bathroom as women - I seem to remember a study or studies to this effect making some news over the last year or two. (I'll also wisely stay silent on the topic of where I fit in terms of my hygiene behavior.) I'll see if I can track them down.
Posted by Godric (Member # 4587) on :
Someone mentioned that no one ever misses a urinal. So my question is this, why don't people have urinals at home?
Yeah! That's the ticket!
Posted by Deirdre (Member # 4200) on :
Tristan, if you can convince them to start reading the Brontes, too, you'll be a shoot-in for my Most Enlightened Swedish Guy award.
Posted by SirReal (Member # 5257) on :
Just trying to bring some levity to a potentialy "sticky" situation. Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
quote:Same reason so many of us men don't wash our hands.
WHAT???? Posted by Tristan (Member # 1670) on :
Uh-oh...
Sitting down peeing AND reading the Brontλs... I feel this thread is going to be a fatal blow to my carefully created image of strong and silent masculinity.
*Scratches hair on chest and doing some well-judged grunting*
Now, with that out of my system, I would dispute your thesis that it is more convenient standing up peeing, sndrake. Getting tinky-winky out of your zipper can be far more troublesome (and, in the reverse procedure, more dangerous!) than simply pulling your pants down and sit. At least, that is my humble experience.
[ August 29, 2003, 03:33 PM: Message edited by: Tristan ]
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
Finally, what I think is a credible defense of standing. It's more hygienic. Better for the public health. There's proof:
quote:While men's restrooms smell worse and contain more litter than women's restrooms, women's restrooms actually contain more fecal bacteria than men's. ***
Kennedy discovered a two-to-one ratio between the bacteria in women's and men's bathrooms, which means there are more bacteria in women's bathrooms to cause sickness. ***
She speculated that women's toilets contain more bacteria because there is a higher frequency of use.
"Women have to sit down no matter what," she said.
There you have it. When it comes to public facilities, anyway, men choose to stand out of concern for public health and welfare.
It's a good story and I think I'll stick to it. Until a better one comes along, anyway. Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Kat, they pee in the shower, too! (I found this out when I lived with 3 guys and our cat started peeing in the bathtub. I couldn't figure it out and obsessed over it forever, till they finally fessed up as to why the cat might be doing that. Posted by Jenny Gardener (Member # 903) on :
It's bad Feng Shui to leave a toilet lid up. Water corresponds to money, and when you flush the toilet, it's like flushing all your potential riches down the toilet. Ditto for allowing a leaky faucet.
Hatrack! Don't let your money go down the drain!
Posted by Sweet William (Member # 5212) on :
Okay, I only have one thing to say to guys who voluntarily sit while peeing: WHAT KIND OF WUSS-ASS ARE YOU?
Kayla, thanks for the heads up. If I ever get to the proposal of marriage point in my life, I will make sure that the woman in question has no such evil designs: "Sit down, or no sex for you" Sounds like an excellent argument for polygamy. It also sounds like yet another excellent reason to get a prenup so at least you get to keep the house after you serve papers on the pee-controlling domestic goddess.
But seriously, men are major pigs. If I have any "splashback," I always clean it up. Immediately. My bathrooms at home are always spotless and ready for any single female who may happen to wander in (but the lid is always up).
I work in an office with all men. If I take a few days off, I come back to a bathroom which is unfit for human habitation.
I finally got them to start washing their hands, though. It was a beautiful day, and I stopped cringing when they shook hands with our customers!
Who are these women who keep "falling in?" I mean, are they blind, or just stupid?
Posted by Erik Slaine (Member # 5583) on :
SW, I think, in general, the main problem is in the middle of the night, when the hapless female comes in, tired and only thinking of returning to her bed, only to fall into a gaping maw.... Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
My husband after using the toidy takes a small wad of tissue and wipes the rim to catch any splashage. He puts the seat down and washes his hands with soap.
He is a god of a man, and if I ever leave him please be sure to beat me resoundly with sticks.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Okay. Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
quote:Water corresponds to money, and when you flush the toilet, it's like flushing all your potential riches down the toilet. Ditto for allowing a leaky faucet.
Hatrack! Don't let your money go down the drain!
So, Jenny, can we read this as an endorsement of shower-peeing? It saves on a toilet flush, after all.
Men. Socially, economically and ecologically responsible. Who would have guessed? Posted by Deirdre (Member # 4200) on :
quote: My husband after using the toidy takes a small wad of tissue and wipes the rim to catch any splashage. He puts the seat down and washes his hands with soap.
Plus, unlike my husband, he doesn't go through half a stick of deoderant and $5 worth of Bedhead every morning.
That's got to be nice.
[ August 29, 2003, 05:08 PM: Message edited by: Deirdre ]
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
And, unlike your husband, Dan is easily under six feet twenty-seven inches.
Which is best for my short, hobbit frame.
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
Tristan, Kayla already gave one of my reasons.
Also, the force behind our manly pee often causes a certain blow back which, not only uncomfortable, causes more urine than would be possible otherwise to hit our most sacred parts.
The other reason...well, let's just say that at certain times in a young man's life, it becomes almost impossible to pee sitting down. At these times, even the traditional stance is difficult.
Another reason is that it is more sanitary to do your thing standing up than sitting down. I hate to tell you, but there ain't no such thing as sterile in your house. Autoinfection, or even infections among a family's cutest members, happen all the time and have been the cause of many a brother's downfall.
Let us not forget that, like drinking water, there is a nobility in standing to pee that reminds men of their majestic, manly roots. Should a man bow to nature, or face her on his feet when he answers her call?
Finally, there is an evolutionary aspect to standing up to pee that we should not ignore. One that has kept many manly men alive for, low, these many generations. Consider that while you may think your bathroom is pretty safe, how do you really know? What about a stranger's bathroom? Our crafty forebears stood and thus could stand watch for enemies even while answering the call of nature. There is many an ancient village which stood secure, knowing that the guard of its men need never waver while they carefully stood against the dangers of the night. In short, the human race is only here because men stand to pee.
Let us remove our hats and bow our heads in remembrance of those sad individuals who shirked their manly duties and sat down to pee. History does not record their names, as is fit for those who turn their backs on tribe and family, yet we should remember them even now as a warning against the ever encroaching menace of squicky women and the dangers they represent!
[ August 29, 2003, 05:31 PM: Message edited by: Storm Saxon ]
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
*Stands and applauds*
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
You guys are both single still, right?
How's that dating scene going for you?
[ August 29, 2003, 05:39 PM: Message edited by: Ralphie ]
Posted by Dwayne (Member # 4159) on :
Quiet, woman. Show some respect.
Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
LOL SS. Haven't you ever heard of sitting down to read in the bathroom? Time honored male tradition, that. Often it's the only place where people will leave you alone. Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
*thwaps Tick*
Stop giving away our manly secrets, you.
Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
What secret? If the go in, we go to Operation Gas Attack. That'll keep 'em out.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
quote:Stop giving away our manly secrets, you.
Secret?? Storm, when we march into the bathroom with the Sunday NY Times, the "S" volume of the encyclopedia, or the newly arrived Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, everyone knows the bathroom will be unavailable until we notice the circulation to our legs has been cut off. Not only that, since we often need a little additional time until there is enough circulation in our manly legs to hold us up on our manly feet and stagger out of the bathroom to a more public place to read - I think the "secret" has been out on this one for a long time, unlike the one about the shower.
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
*cough* Ha! Ha! Sndrake! What a kidder! Everyone knows that men only poop standing up, bullwhips coiled at their feet and rifles ready at a moment's notice to take down any threat to family or video game collection.
*significant look*
Dude,the omenway are listeningtay. ^ . . . . . (Super sekret man code.)
[ August 29, 2003, 06:16 PM: Message edited by: Storm Saxon ]
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
quote:He is a god of a man, and if I ever leave him please be sure to beat me resoundly with sticks.
Yeah, right! Like I'd remind you. I'd be too busy trying to comfort him!
I'm really kidding about my husband. I have no idea what he does bcause, frankly, do you think I watch? Ewww. However, my son seems to have some type of problem. He couldn't hit the water to save his life. I was unbelievably frustrated and sent my husband in to find out what the heck the problem was and he came out and said that it seemed to be coming out at an angle! Really! Rather than coming out and going down toward the bowl, it was literally going nearly straight to the middle of the toilet seat!! He was the one who suggested the sitting down solution. He told our son that if he sat to poop and then peed, too, so why not do it when he just peed. Then he made a big deal about he sat too, so I didn't fall in.
Personally, I think he just said it to convince my son that it really would be okay to sit down. Stand at the urinals at school, but sit down at home. Now, my son has his own bathroom and I just don't go in there. I figure by the time we move out, it will be a biohazard in there.
(But I still think they pee in the shower! My husband, when hounded for an answer said that, yeah, guys do that. This is one of the main reasons for keeping a cat. When he heard that a cat will pee in the shower if a human does. . . well, let's just say that in 14 years, we've never had a cat that peed in the shower. )
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Oh and Sweet William . . .
quote: Sounds like an excellent argument for polygamy.
Actually, it sounds like an excellent argument for a male-less society. We really don't need you.
Oh, and I have a joke!
quote:To Be 6 Again!!
A man asked his wife what she'd like for her birthday.
"I'd love to be six again," she replied.
On the morning of her birthday, he got her up bright and early and off they went to a local theme park.
What a day! He put her on every ride in the park: the Death Slide, the Screaming Loop, the Wall of Fear, everything there was!
Wow! Five hours later she staggered out of the theme park, her head reeling and her stomach upside down. Right to a McDonald's they went, where her husband ordered her a Happy Meal with extra fries and a refreshing chocolate shake.
Then it was off to a movie, the latest Star Wars epic, a hot dog, popcorn,Pepsi, and M&Ms.
What a fabulous adventure! Finally she wobbled home with her husband and collapsed into bed.
He leaned over and lovingly asked, "Well, dear, what was it like being six again?"
One eye opened. "You idiot, I meant my dress size."
The moral of this story:
Even when the man is listening, he's still gonna get it wrong.
Posted by Eaquae Legit (Member # 3063) on :
As someone who was a professional toilet cleaner (approximately 2-5 times a day, for the same toilet) for eight months, I have to say that guys miss more often. AND they forget to flush, AND they don't wash their hands.
Of course, this was a special sort of situation, wherein one lady likes to throw things in the toilet - towels, paper towels, the plunger, anything else she can get her hands on - and THEN do her business. Still, despite all this, we had to do more cleaning from the three guys who used it as well. Guys are WAY messier, in my experience.
My squicky threshold can only be compared to that of a parent with a child still in diapers.
[ August 29, 2003, 07:07 PM: Message edited by: Eaquae Legit ]
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
quote: Someone mentioned that no one ever misses a urinal.
Baloney. Anyone who's ever cleaned a public bathroom knows that the walls around the urinals are stained more yellow from pee.
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
quote: Anyone who's ever cleaned a public bathroom knows that the walls around the urinals are stained more yellow from pee.
Which is why my son can pee standing up at urinals (which we don't have at home) and not at home. Posted by Danzig (Member # 4704) on :
Washing one's hands is pointless in a public restroom if you have to use your hands to open the door. Only if the door can be kicked open is there any reason to.
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Danzig, that's why there are trash cans outside the bathroom. For the paper towels you use to open the door! Sheesh, you people would make really sucky obsessive compulsives.
[ August 29, 2003, 11:00 PM: Message edited by: Kayla ]
Posted by Danzig (Member # 4704) on :
Paper towels and trash cans vastly exceed the "I care" threshold.
Posted by luthe (Member # 1601) on :
Let me clear up my statement, while sober I think it is rather unlikly that anyone could miss a urinal, however I will admit that it is certainly a possiblity.
Posted by Tresopax (Member # 1063) on :
Actually there is a simple answer to this question. However, the high council of men has forbid us from telling women the truth. Sorry. Just trust us - we do all things for good reasons. Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Actually, I heard a statistic on the radio just this week, which I wish I could confirm. I assume it came from some magazine, so maybe somebody else has seen this. It said something like 65% of women pee in the shower, while only 55% of men do . . . so in fact, women are more likely to do this!
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
How can women look so good, yet be so bad? Posted by BookWyrm (Member # 2192) on :
Just to throw a little monkey wrench into the mix.....
I've heard there are operations to correct that...something like a peter rooter.
I was in the men's restroom at work the other day and one of my co-workers, who was standing at the urinal, was bragging about how he could control the flow, urinating in a split stream or even producing a fine mist. No wonder the guy's divorced!
Posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong (Member # 2229) on :
It's really poor taste. There is no great hassle in putting the seat up so that it's not a question of aim. It's about as reasonable as asking him to eat with a fork instead of his feet.
[ May 08, 2004, 02:28 PM: Message edited by: Irami Osei-Frimpong ]
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Poor taste??? errrmmm... you're aiming in the wrong direction.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
*stabs pun*
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
*shudder* ewww!
I can't stand a dirty toilet. And if I miss I CLEAN up! Blah.... I don't like cleaning it, but I can't have standing puddles of goop lying around.
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
One of my big pet peeves: Guys, if you're visiting a girl on a girls' floor of the dorm and you have to use the bathroom she shares with the room next door, it really wouldn't kill you to put the seat back down when you're finished. It's not as though the other three of us are going to have any use for it with the seat up, anyway.
Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
My buddy and I took a guided fishing trip down the Kalama River in southern Washington one Spring. When it came time to tinkle, rather than pulling in to shore, our guide handed us a tin can. He told us to go in the can and then rinse it over the side. He said he got tired of guys trying to whizzle over the side but hitting his boat instead.
Our guide said that he often took ladies down the river, but he would pull in to shore for them. He said that he once had a couple of lesbians in the boat who refused to use the tin can and insisted on whizzling over the side of the boat. He said they both stood and did so expertly.
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Is it just me, or would that device provide a new and much more entertaining target?
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
There has been a study somewhere about sticking a target (bullseye? black dot?) in the center of urinals. This proves successful in reducing spillage, as men seemed to like to have a target for aiming.
[ May 23, 2004, 04:31 AM: Message edited by: ClaudiaTherese ]
Posted by Richard Berg (Member # 133) on :
(I see someone linked to restrooms.org already...)
As for the toilet -- I'd buy it if the voice were actually in German. And promptly ignore it, of course.
I'm not at all surprised that targets work. Although discerning men should already know that proper pissing requires careful aim and adjustment. Each receptacle has a different optimum point for minimizing splashback. In urinals it depends on angles and concavity; in most toilets the best spot is between the waterline and the rim (no splash at all, and much quieter to boot).
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
I would just like to point out that one should not go searching for restroom research on the web without reminding oneself first of the vast cornicopia that is human experience and inventiveness. Thank you.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
"You're In Control / UrineControl"
Please never post puns like this when Bob is declaring a Pun Smackdown over, and is ready to start a new one.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
Yeah, Bob would be all over that. Stream of consciousness stuff, very splashy.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
He'd drag the whole forum down the drain. Better to aim high than to let ourselves trickle away in mediocre punnage.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
It might even change his swirled view.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
*bump*
To provide balance to the "woman's thread."
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
This is your idea of balance?!?
MEN! Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
Sorry - I'll do better a year from now when I'll probably qualify for checks for prostate and colorectal cancer on at least a semiannual basis.
Best I could do for now.
Besides, it's still a good question with no real definitive answer...
*did not get my ideas on "balance" or "fairness" from Bill O'Reilly*
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
Oh. My. I read that as "Sorry, next time I'll just transilluminate my prostate and colon."
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
Yeah, that's pretty much where I was, too. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Ok, NOW it's a reasonable "balance" thread.
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
Who uses toilets? Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
We cut probably cut down on the problem identified in the thread title if someone would manufacture cheap flushable targets.
*and no wisecracks about "men and their toys"*
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
quote:Oh. My. I read that as "Sorry, next time I'll just transilluminate my prostate and colon."
Wow, you're just ten pounds of sexy, CT.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
[ March 14, 2005, 12:19 AM: Message edited by: rivka ]
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I wondered what it'd be living with a male and being the one who volunteered to clean the bathroom (I traded for the kitchen).
I haven't noticed any pee OUTSIDE the toilet since Nathan moved in (nor was there any before he moved in, either).
Posted by AntiCool (Member # 7386) on :
I don't even try to put the seat down when I'm through. I just think that's silly.
I have as much right to complain about the seat being left down as my wife does to complain about it being left up.
Which is not much at all.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Or -- especially considering you have small, inquisitive children -- you could both close the lid. Fewer things, ah, fall in that way.
And it's equally inconvenient for everyone. Posted by punwit (Member # 6388) on :
quote: I have as much right to complain about the seat being left down as my wife does to complain about it being left up.
When I was newly married my wife and I enacted this exact debate.
Her: "You really need to put the seat down when you're done. It's rude and indicates that you aren't considerate of your wife."
Me: "Well, I think it's rude and inconsiderate that you don't raise the seat when you're done in preparation for my use of the toilet."
Her: "Actually the seat and lid should both be closed after each use. This is fair as well as being more aesthetically pleasing."
Me: "Okay, I can buy into that argument."
Result: I always close both and she always leaves the lid up.
Me: "Why don't you close the lid when you're done like we agreed to do?"
Her: "It's inconvenient when I get up in the middle of the night."
[ March 14, 2005, 09:25 AM: Message edited by: punwit ]
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
I'm big on personal responsiblity. Before you sit, check. I don't see what's so hard about that. Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
Yup, PC, that's me. 10 pounds of sexy, 100 pounds of TMI.
Posted by Goody Scrivener (Member # 6742) on :
Dag, of course it's hard when you don't use those evil padded seats that don't stay up anyway LOL
<3am ouch>
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
Claudia...
... ...
-Trevor
Posted by Mike (Member # 55) on :
quote:Her: "It's inconvenient when I get up in the middle of the night."
quote:I'm big on personal responsiblity. Before you sit, check. I don't see what's so hard about that.
I'm with Dag on this one. I don't understand what exactly is inconvenient about lifting the lid or lowering the seat.
I have a theory, though: the main difference in this particular situation between men and women is that women have only one functional toilet setting, while men have two. So men are used to having to adjust the toilet seat even if they are the only one to use the thing. Women, on the other hand (or so goes the theory), often do not have an automatic checking routine before their main activity, so this extra step can be a jarring break from routine. This (I have heard) can have drastic consequences, especially at 3am when full consciousness is not guaranteed.
For the record, I always close the lid. Well, when there is a lid.
Posted by LilBee91 (Member # 7475) on :
Checking before you sit isn't that big of a problem. But in order for that you work you actually have to be paying attention. Occupied thoughts lead to rather disgusting results (especially if the seat is covered with pee).
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
quote:I'm big on personal responsiblity.
*reading between the lines here*
Noticed that "putting seat or lid down" was not used as an example of "personal responsibility."
*always watch what a lawyer doesn't say, even an aspiring one*
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
If there's a need to put the seat down to prevent those who are not personally responsible (pets and small children) from playing in the toilet, then putting the lid down would be an act of personal responsibility.
Putting the seat down without the lid is never such act. Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
However, at 3 in the morning stumbling out of bed, not turning a light on so you don't wake yourself up completely, following the now instinctive routine of going to the toilet, you don't notice that the seat isn't down (in the dark, it's hard to tell if it's the seat or the rim) and you plunk yourself down, not onto a seat, but into some nice cold water.
Being jarred awake by cold toilet water on your rear, you're in a reducted state of inhibition when you finish, tromp back to your bedroom, and punch the spouse who so kindly left the seat up.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
My normal routine involves a quick reach-behind to see if the seat is up. Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
quote: However, at 3 in the morning stumbling out of bed, not turning a light on so you don't wake yourself up completely, following the now instinctive routine of going to the toilet, you don't notice that the seat isn't down (in the dark, it's hard to tell if it's the seat or the rim) and you plunk yourself down, not onto a seat, but into some nice cold water.
Now, apply this to guys. Wake up at 3 in the mornin stumbling out of bed, not turning on a light so you don't wake yourself completely, following the instinctive routine of going pee, we don't notice the seat is down (it's hard to tell if what we grab is the rim or the seat), we take a pee, pee on the seat, it splashes into our nice jammies, and suddenly, we smell like piss the rest of the night.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
quote:My normal routine involves a quick reach-behind
I so did not need to know that. *prim look
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Nathan, that's pretty easy. The seat lifts when you grab it and lift up, the rim doesn't.
Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
I don't like to turn the bathroom light on when I have to get up in the middle of the night, so I sit.
Are there any fellas here who pee whilst standing in the dark? How do you hit that little toilet paper target?
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
quote: If there's a need to put the seat down to prevent those who are not personally responsible (pets and small children) from playing in the toilet,
I know of at least one 18-month old where leaving the seat down is an invitation to open it up and see what's inside.
quote:The seat lifts when you grab it and lift up, the rim doesn't.
What kind of weird toilet do you have? Does your rim fold sideways or something?
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Wha?
Posted by LilBee91 (Member # 7475) on :
quote: Are there any fellas here who pee whilst standing in the dark?
Hehe...Has anyone seen the Comedy Central thing with Adam Ferrara? He talks about how at night he goes by sonar. Hehe...man, funny stuff there.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
I like to shower in the dark. Dark is just better, so long as you know what you're doing.
Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
quote:I like to shower in the dark.
That way you don't get soap in your eyes.
It's always safe to pee in the shower in the dark.
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
mack, every toilet I've seen has both a seat (lid) and a rim that are hinged in the back. Both lift up when you grab them and lift.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
quote:It's always safe to pee in the shower in the dark.
And there's no seat to put down.
*wanders away, whistling innocently, hoping Diane doesn't read this*
Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
I got caught once. My wife once decided to get in the shower with me and exclaimed: "what's that smell?!"
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
I think I would have to be heavily sedated in order to bring myself to pee in the shower. It just ... wouldn't happen.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
I had to do that for a while when I was having trouble urinating after the catheter I had while in labor. It was the only place I could manage.
Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
...just save washing your feet and legs till last.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Exactly.
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
Alright, I'm a guy and there is no freaking way I could or would be comfortable urinating in the shower.
The notion of standing in or subsequently handling something recently sprayed is just not a fun idea.
The ugh, ick factor is way, way too high here.
-Trevor
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
quote: The notion of standing in or subsequently handling something recently sprayed is just not a fun idea.
I would advise you, then, to never, never, never, walk barefoot on a grassy surface, especially near trees, lightposts, etc.
And as for chewing on a blade of grass...
(best left to easily squicked imaginations)
Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
quote:notion of standing in or subsequently handling something recently sprayed
...has probably never known the joy of a warm pee in a cold lake while waiting for the ski boat to pick him up.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Yeah, I can't even imagine peeing in the shower. Or a pool or lake that I was freaking immersed in. Yeah, I know, the fish are all doing it, why shouldn't you, but bleagh! Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
There is a very good reason why I don't run barefoot in the grass near civilization.
-Trevor
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
This is why you scored on the girl side of the brain sex test, Noemon.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
I'm finding I like the girl side of the brain test, particularly in regards to this thread.
*will never, ever take a bath in anyone's tub but my own, ever again
-----------------------------
*Light Bulb Moment
Whoa. So that's why my ex's friend Andy insisted on scrubbing down the bathtub before I used it, back when we visited him in Chicago.
Oh, my innocence. 'Tis gone. 'Tis truly gone.
[ March 14, 2005, 04:41 PM: Message edited by: ClaudiaTherese ]
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
Not necessarily, CT - not many men take baths and as such, don't keep the tub as clean as perhaps we would otherwise.
-Trevor
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Yes, I'll admit, my penchant for not peeing all over myself is a distinctly feminine trait. Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
But I scored all the way over on the female side, and have peed in the shower when necessary. So there. Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
quote: Yes, I'll admit, my penchant for not peeing all over myself is a distinctly feminine trait
I have to say that if you do pee in the shower, you're much more likely to do it all over yourself if your a female than if you're a male.
I've got a big walk-in shower with a big drain on the floor. You can't miss it. Not if you've got good aim. Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Aiming in the dark is easy, but it does require letting your shins hit the bowl to help sense placement.
A good reason not to splash the rim. Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
quote:to help sense placement
But you still have to account for nocturnal variations in the nature of the nozzle.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
I just thought of something very, very evil. Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
this is sort of off the current topic, and i may have even said it last may, but the cutest thing I've ever seen was when I was a cadet teacher as a high school senior, one of my main responsibilities was to stand outside the boys bathroom to make sure nothing happened, if i heard screaming or crying I could go in. Well one day I heard something loud (I think someone jumped off the sink) so I looked in, and all the little boys were standing at the urinals but had their pants and underwear totally down on the floor (first graders).
Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
quote:...totally down
Depending on the orientation of the local populace, you may also see that in certain airport terminals around the country.
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
it wouldn't be as cute in an airport with normal size urinals (first grade bathrooms are adorable) or strange men around. *shudder*
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
First grade toilets are a dire threat to the inflexible.
Posted by AntiCool (Member # 7386) on :
quote:all the little boys were standing at the urinals but had their pants and underwear totally down on the floor (first graders).
I got mocked for this when I first went to kindergarten. I'm not joking or exaggerating when I say that I was scarred by that cruel teasing.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
For me, there's the lid, the seat, and THEN the rim of the actual bowl, zgator. That's why I was confused.
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
quote:(in the dark, it's hard to tell if it's the seat or the rim)
So feel around the area of the lid. If there's an additional component there, it's the seat; put it down. If there isn't, you're safe. How hard is that? Are women really so delicate and helpless that they aren't capable of finding a bloody toilet seat and then putting the damn thing down themselves?
I'll concede the argument that men use the seat in two different positions and women use it in only one. So yes, it is courteous for a man to put the seat down if there are women who share the toilet with him. But any woman who would actually get angry and start fights over something so trivial as the position of a toilet seat is not a woman with whom I could share my toilet, or my bed, or anything else. Life is too bloody short for that kind of nonsense.
For the record, the default position of my own toilet is to have the lid itself down. It looks nicer, and anyone who needs to use it has to move something. Equal opportunity inconvenience.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
We also put the lid down.
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
So what are you complaining about? Pull up the lid, have a seat, and get on with it. No risk there.
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Sorry dudes, but urine is a LOT cleaner than any natural body of water you'll ever dip your toes in. Has fewer bacteria than what would be found in any swimming pool that you'd wanna get into. The legally allowable concentration of bacteria/etc in tapwater is higher than what would be found in fresh urine from a healthy person. Urine's got a nasty reputation mostly cuz it's loaded with nutrients which encourage bacterial growth at room temperature after it's out of the body.
Posted by tern (Member # 7429) on :
Wome pee all over the seats in public toilets, which annoys me to no end. This seems to be particularly common in the suburbs, especially wealthier ones.
Can't sit on a toilet seat that might have germs, can't lift the seat because it might have germs, so they just pee all over it, secure in the knowledge that somebody else will clean it up. As long as they miss their expensive shoes, no harm done.
I hate those women. HATE them.
Posted by lem (Member # 6914) on :
Here is my solution: Next time you have to clean it up, use his shirt. You should not have to clean it up, so go ahead and personalize it. ICK!!
Here is my gripe: I get sick of hearing complaints from girls that men leave the seat up. We have to put it up, why can't they put it down. Seems fair to me!
EDIT...because I mixed up "down" and "up," which was really confusing!
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
At last, a government website that usefully reveals more than it aggravatingly conceals: "overseas tourists are using it to plan their entire holidays around toilets listed on the" National Public Toilet Map.
[ April 18, 2006, 01:02 PM: Message edited by: aspectre ]
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
Warning: Possible TMI. Read at your own risk.
quote:Can't they aim?
Dunno if anyone else has said this (didn't read the whole thread), but in men's defense the penus is a little harder to aim than most men would admit or women believe. There are really only two modes of fire: on, and off. And the urine preassure doesn't come immediately. It takes a second to start and stop, during which time it kinda dribbles down right beneath the exit. When it finally hits steady stream it's sometimes hard to predict just how powerful the stream is going to be(and therefore just where to aim it), it differs depending on how full the bladder is.
The result of all this is that aiming is a guessing game. Aim too far to the back of the toilet and it may over shoot the rim. Aim too far forward (meaning standing back, because pointing the thing down when the pressure is on really isn't very comfortable) and the initial and final dribbles may miss.
That said...
quote:Can't they quickly wipe up any little splashage?
Absolutely. But in the case of public toilets, why bother? No one else did... Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
I maintain that if you are in a woman's home, you should put the damn seat down.
Besides, if we forget to put the seat back up, what's the worst that could happen? I mean, you're going to be LOOKING at the toiled while using it. A lot of times, we just sit down. And then if the seat's up, bad things happen. Especially if we're in high heels.
-pH
Posted by Bella Bee (Member # 7027) on :
I'm the only girl sharing a house with three (sometimes four) blokes. As I see it, it's a total 'good of the many' situation, where the only way to inconvenience the smallest number of people is for the guys to leave the seat up when they're done. I mean, honestly, it's just not a big deal for me.
Having said that, though, I always put the lid down - I was just brought up that way.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Same here. Seat up or seat down was never an issue in my home because the lid was always down. Makes sense to me. Why put a lid on something if you never close the lid?
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
quote:I maintain that if you are in a woman's home, you should put the damn seat down.
I agree with you, if the home is only normally inhabitted by women, seat down. When I'm using the toilet in girls suites here in the dorms I always make sure to put the seat down.
However, if it's a shared home, occupied by both men and women, that's another matter. It's just as easy for women to put the seat down as it is for men. Why should men have to raise and lower the seat all the time just so women don't have to lower it on occation?
quote:A lot of times, we just sit down. And then if the seat's up, bad things happen. Especially if we're in high heels.
It's your own damned fault if you don't look before sitting down. If you expect us to put the seat down that much, that's your problem kiddo. You get no pitty from me if you land in the bowl.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
As an additional incentive, if the lid is closed then each flush does NOT propel an airborne spray of tiny water-and-who-knows-what-else droplets throughout the bathroom.
Oh, and I can't believe this thread got bumped after a year!
Posted by Mabus (Member # 6320) on :
Oh, by the way...
I have, on occasion, been known to sit down to pee. But when I was young, I hated to do this--I had discovered the hard way that when I did, I was often by default aiming at the crack between the seat and rim. So it became something I learned not to do.
As someone who must clean toilets night after night, I urge you...PLEASE clean up after yourselves. Men, lift the lids. Women, sit down; cover the seat if you must.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
Noemon has cited a study contradicting the effectiveness of the lid-down method for preventing aerosol dispersement. Perhaps he will recite again for us -- I can't find it. Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Did I actually cite a study, or was I just speculating about it? I'm remembering something about fecal bacteria on toothbrushes, but I can't remember if that's from the study or from our previous discussion of the topic.
Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
Mythbusters did a segment on the fecal bacteria on toothbrushes.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
What did they find?
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
I thought it was something citable, Noemon, because I read up on it. Maybe I can go looking again. (Maybe it was Mythbusters? Hmmm.)
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
I doubt it was Mythbusters, if I cited them. I enjoy the show, but I'm not always terribly impressed with the design of their experiments, and I probably wouldn't use them as any kind of definitive reference.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by ClaudiaTherese: Noemon has cited a study contradicting the effectiveness of the lid-down method for preventing aerosol dispersement. Perhaps he will recite again for us -- I can't find it.
No! NOOOOO!
You are removing the teeth from my one really good argument to get people (i.e., my brothers) to close toilet lids.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
I think the sheer aesthetics of a closed lid is a good enough argument, unless you clean your toilet bowl religiously.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I agree, but that will mean nothing to my brothers (well, to at least two of the three).
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
"If an alien...studied the bacterial counts...he...would conclude he should wash his hands in your toilet and crap in your sink."
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
"Dr. Gerba has also studied germ counts in the house, and by doing so, discovered the right way to flush the toilet. You should flush with the lid down. If you flush with the lid up, a polluted plume of bacteria and water vapour erupts out of the flushing toilet bowl. The polluted water particles float for a few hours around your bathroom before they all land. Some of them will land on your tooth brush."
Posted by dab (Member # 7847) on :
It drives me crazy when girls forget to put the seat up after they are done!
But seriously... I prefer that both the seat and lid are down... although in japan, some of the toilets are now automatic so that both seat and lid close when you are done, and lid opens when you walk in the room.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
My recollection was that the flush had been shown by somebody (?) to spray out from around the edges of the toilet lid, as there is usually a 1/2" (? or so) space there, thus mitigating the beneficial effect of having the lid shut. (Smaller diameter of spread leading to greater force, I guess, a'la Poiseuille.) But my recollection is hazy at best.
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
quote:RIO DE JANEIRO New TV ads are encouraging Brazilians to save water by urinating in the shower. Brazilian environmental group SOS Mata Atlantica says the campaign, running on several television stations, uses humor to persuade people to reduce flushes. The group says if a household avoids one flush a day, it can save up to 4,380 liters (1,157 gallons) of water annually.
SOS spokeswoman Adriana Kfouri said Tuesday that the ad is "a way to be playful about a serious subject."
The spot features cartoon drawings of people from all walks of life a trapeze artist, a basketball player, even an alien urinating in the shower.
Narrated by children's voices, the ad ends with: "Pee in the shower! Save the Atlantic rainforest!"
quote: New television advertisements in Brazil are encouraging people to pee in the shower as a way of conserving water. Our own nation, you may remember, stood divided on the issue a few years ago during Big Brother 3 when Alex was appalled by Jonny's unwillingness to make a distinction between loo and shower basin. The new campaign, however, undoubtedly marks a new stage or high water mark, if you will in the world's development, and with new mores comes new etiquette. Remember, you may be weeing in the shower, but there's no need to be rude.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I like it when activist groups open new opportunities for me.
I've never particularly gotten the whole "put the seat down thing," because putting it down is just second nature to me. Maybe that's a natural consequence of growing up with a single mom, but my brother and I got the putting the seat and lid down thing drilled into us more than going to church (which is why our toilet etiquette is fantastic, but we're both lapsed Catholics who haven't been to church in years).
What annoys me is women who don't put the lid down when they're done. None of my female friends put the lid back down after using our bathroom. I mean, it's a lid, it's meant to cover something. Not putting it down is unnatural, it WANTS to be put down, but they just leave it up. Otherwise why is it even there? Is it decorative?
Am I crazy, or do most people just not utilize their toilet lids? I figured women, of all people, would be the first to put it down, but apparently I'm sort of Y Chromosomed aberration.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
An important question would be: why does your landlady's husband feel free to walk into your house while you're at the grocery store and piss all over your toilet... let alone piss at all in your house? How much of a discount are you getting for the total lack of respect for your privacy, and the seeming contempt of the owners?
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
I must admit that, at home, when I'm stumbling into the bathroom in the middle of the night, I often pee standing up in the dark specifically to test my aim. This is part of a multi-activity regimen in which I also see if I can wash my hands and sometimes use the toothbrush in the dark, just to in general increase my capacity for acting blind.
More often, I just pee standing up because it's slightly faster than sitting down (and, as mentioned, sometimes it's.... difficult.... for a guy to pee sitting down). And sometimes I do miss, and oftentimes that doesn't get completely cleaned for the same reason I missed in the first place: it's friggin 3 AM and I'm tired and lazy and I don't feel like it.
None of that's a good reason, but honestly there are a lot of other areas in my life where self improvement is in order, and this is not at the top of the list.
Posted by Sterling (Member # 8096) on :
quote:Originally posted by sndrake: RIO DE JANEIRO New TV ads are encouraging Brazilians to save water by urinating in the shower. Brazilian environmental group SOS Mata Atlantica says the campaign, running on several television stations, uses humor to persuade people to reduce flushes. The group says if a household avoids one flush a day, it can save up to 4,380 liters (1,157 gallons) of water annually.
Whoa- is that assuming each person in the household flushes one less time per day? Or does Brazil still use high-flush toilets?
Posted by Traceria (Member # 11820) on :
PSI, you can add me to the number who compulsively put the lid down EVERY time.
Strange, but every mention on this thread of getting up in the middle of the night where a specific time was also included, 3 AM was the time.
This thread wins for providing the best mental breaks of the work week!
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by Traceria: Strange, but every mention on this thread of getting up in the middle of the night where a specific time was also included, 3 AM was the time.
I imagine people report and or remember their nighttime wakings as being 3 AM, whether it was in fact 2:15 or 3:55. 3 is just smack in the middle of the night, whereas 2 is too close to not having gotten to sleep, and 4 is too close to just waking up really early.
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
Some things I havent found the proper arena to say until now.
Im tall, and that stupid toilet is all the way down there. Why did you leave the seat down when it was up when you went in? Isnt that why you put that fluffy carpet around the toilet? Sitting down is fine and it doesnt make you into a girl, or do you always preform 1 and 2 seperatly no matter what your body needs to do? But understand ladies that our crotch is always in a state of change, and mandatorily sitting down can result in pain or even hairy yellow tea.
And in my experience public mens rooms do not compare to the womens when Ive had to clean both, most men dont like using public toilets for fear of it being dirty anyway and just use the urinals (best invention ever.) Admittedly the mens room smells strongly of urine, but I never had to clean up blood in the mens room.
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
It grosses me out that, despite all of the news stories and studies over the past five years of just how much stuff flies out of your toilet when you flush it, that anyone leaves the lid up. You close the lid and then you flush! This is not rocket science!
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
HAH. You don't even have a German style toilet with a health shelf that is liable to splash a liter of water up over the edge in a fountain of fecal matter when you don't close the toilet seat. That's why I pee in the sink, and I'm not ashamed to admit it.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
"Health shelf?"
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by PSI Teleport: "Health shelf?"
Dude, trust me when I say you don't wanna know.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
The name seems inappropriate.
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
quote:Originally posted by Orincoro: HAH. You don't even have a German style toilet with a health shelf that is liable to splash a liter of water up over the edge in a fountain of fecal matter when you don't close the toilet seat. That's why I pee in the sink, and I'm not ashamed to admit it.
The kitchen or the bathroom?
Posted by Marlozhan (Member # 2422) on :
I'm a male and I have sat at the toilet at home for years to pee, because I, too, find it disgusting to get pee everywhere. I have noticed that some other males think they are less masculine for sitting, but I've been doing it for years and so far it hasn't had any detrimental effects on me.
And plus, I can sit and go as fast as any other male can stand, unzip and go.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marlozhan: I have noticed that some other males think they are less masculine for sitting, but I've been doing it for years and so far it hasn't had any detrimental effects on me.
Yes it has. You SIT ON THE TOILET.
quote: The kitchen or the bathroom?
I don't wanna be pinned down, ok?
Posted by lobo (Member # 1761) on :
We have our son clean the bathroom as part of his chores. Makes for much cleaner toilets!
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
quote:Originally posted by Traceria: PSI, you can add me to the number who compulsively put the lid down EVERY time.
Me, too. I have a cat.
Posted by Damander (Member # 4439) on :
I can't believe that after 6 years this thread lives on! I feel so honored. Or maybe it's the urine that should feel honored?
I'm happy to report that I have since gotten hitched, and my husband always closes the lid and never leaves pee on the seat. He grew up with 5 sisters, and that's what he was trained to do. In fact, he had to train me to close lid. A happy ending in what could have continued to be a disgusting plight. Now, my sister-in-law, on the other hand...I have no idea how she's coping with my brother's urinary habits. Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
In horiffic toilet use news, today I witness the most flagrant violation I've ever seen. Two teenage boys at the mall urinals were laughing at each other, and one intentionally urinated on the wall between their urinals, to splash his friend.
So next time you see a pee-soaked floor, it may just be from a single dipshit.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
Perhaps men would be more willing to be flexible on the urinary issue if women stopped acting like it was their business to dictate our urinary habits as if we were "trained" dogs. Perhaps accepting that male behavior patterns, including those involving urination, are subtly different from, and often incompatible with female expectations. A person can learn to be courteous, but to be held automatically and with the assumption of complete correctness and propriety to a standard that doesn't fit with the sensibilities of their gender? That's demanding something without the understanding that it is something worth asking for. I consider women who lecture me about the toilet to be much ruder than me for leaving the seat up once in a while (and I rarely do).
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
quote:If you flush with the lid up, a polluted plume of bacteria and water vapour erupts out of the flushing toilet bowl.
Not that I'm disputing these findings, but I have a hard time understanding how this plume erupts upwards. I've done a fair bit of work on atomization and it takes a lot of energy to atomize water to a fine mist. That and the fact that in most home toilets I just don't see where the shear comes in from the gradual filling and swirling that you see in a normal flush.
It also seems contrary to the guy's other finding, that the toilet seat is cleaner than the sink. If this plume erupts from the bowl and floats around the room enough to get bacteria on your toothbrush, why isn't the seat covered in the same bacteria?
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
This is JenniK being too lazy to log off of Kwea and sign in for herself.... my mother used to be a teacher and she told me this story many years ago. She had a boy who asked to go to the bathroom (about 3rd grade). Several minutes go by and she hasn't returned. She started to worry, so she went down the hall and waited just outside the boys room door. 2 other little boys went in and the noisy giggles of little boys came through the door. She got the janitor to go in and check on her student. He and 4 other boys were standing facing the wall opposite the sinks, having a contest to see who could pee the highest up the wall!
I have cleaned up after my husband and my elderly father. My dad, was by far the worse of the two. His aim is horrible and I have never gone through that much bleach in 10 days before in my life! I do not like a messy nasty bathroom. I am a bit OCD, and would rather wait 'til I get home than use a public toilet if at all possible, but that's just my twisted opinion.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
Something that randomly occurred to me, that doesn't necessarily need to be addressed to anyone in this thread: You know the women who hover above public toilets to avoid getting germs and then inadvertently splash on the lid? Why don't they just RAISE the lid as long as they're not gonna be sitting?
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