I know most people have already seen 'em in the "The Mallows: A Jerk Chicky Production" thread, but I decided since the second page was getting fairly ignored and I've had requests to make "more than that one you did" I'd post them here, as I have done three.
And as per asQmh's request, I just recently finish The Death Cookie. (Thanks for the suggestion, Q.) Original, and MST3k version.
I'm currently working on Jack's very lovely tract called "Boo!" but if anyone has any request than I can look over them after I'm done with this one, which should be fairly soon.
Thanks for the requests, guys. They're really fun to make.
[ September 08, 2003, 07:17 PM: Message edited by: Toni ]
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
Are we not paying enough attention to you, Toni?
Posted by Toni (Member # 5620) on :
I had people asking me personally if I'd do more than The Death Cookie. I thought this would make them easier to find.
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
*serves Saxon a death cookie*
I think they're fully deserving of their own thread, sister.
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
Oh, quit with the puppy dog eyes, woman. You know everybody loves you.
Unless you're trying to tell me that I'm nobody.
Posted by * (Member # 4842) on :
More! More!
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
Now you've done it Toni. The "The Mallows--A Jerk Chicky Production" thread will go the way of the dinosaurs.
[ September 08, 2003, 07:19 PM: Message edited by: sarcasticmuppet ]
Posted by Geoffrey Card (Member # 1062) on :
Whoah. Tom turned into Strong Bad.
Posted by Jeffrey Getzin (Member # 1972) on :
Toni,
Those are extremely funny. Keep up the good work!
Jeff
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
D'oh! I posted this under Toni.
I've confused the masses. Praise shall now to go that upstart, "Toni."
(Thanks again, guys. I'm almost done with "Boo!")
Posted by Erik Slaine (Member # 5583) on :
Why don't we just use the Sampo? Oh, yeah! We haven't got one!
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
Be careful, the last website to MST3K Chick tracts had to take them all down under threat of litigation by Jack Chick Inc.
[ September 09, 2003, 05:11 PM: Message edited by: Bokonon ]
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
Another site MST3k'd them? Wow, cool!
Is Hatrack enough exposure for Jack to even notice?
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
Yup, you got on the bandwagon a wee tad late, m'dear.
-Bok
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
I wish I could see them.
Stupid Jack making them take 'em down.
Posted by porcelain girl (Member # 1080) on :
yes, but he won't catch you. and even if he does you have his copyrighted thing, you are allowed to show them and post opinions on them. even of the mst variety.
Posted by porcelain girl (Member # 1080) on :
or not.
oh well, some laws are worth breaking!
just as some cookies are worth eating Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
However, some of the panels are missing images, and it's not a straight MST3K parody.
-Bok
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
You know, I'm fairly certain that, if Chick found you and asked you to take down your parodies, you refused, and he took it to court, he'd lose on fair use.
But since I'm not any kind of lawyer, much less a copyright lawyer, you may not want to listen to me.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Your work is borderline as to falling under fair use of the Chick Tracts. I'd bet it would, but it would be close.
It would be much more likely to fall under fair use if included slightly less of the strip.
However, you've almost certainly violating the copyrights of MST3K, just FYI (you're not parodying them, so no special protection is given).
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
When they start threatening, I'll take them down.
I doubt it will gain enough attention, though.
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
Well, your parodies load faster than Chick's pages. Jeez, who'd wait that long to read a ridiculous religious tract?
Oh, wait....
Posted by Geoffrey Card (Member # 1062) on :
Sorry, I just have to throw this link out as often as possible Ever since I was introduced to it, it has changed my life in so many ways ...
[ September 09, 2003, 07:30 PM: Message edited by: Geoffrey Card ]
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Toni you are a genius, you picked up on so many of the things that are bothersome about those tracts.
And Geoff, oh yes, I have that saved on my hard drive and if I ever am having a bad day....it never fails to make me laugh.
Best...MST3K parody....ever.
"Does he mean blood?"
"Don't jump to conclusions."
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Almost, you convince me to be a Ralphie-phile.
Posted by ak (Member # 90) on :
Parodies are protected speech. The supreme court is quite unambiguous on that issue. However, you're right that MST3k isn't being parodied, though you might get by with trying to claim it is. In both cases it's hard to decide whether parodying a parody counts as parody or imitation! (I still get fits of thinking Chick tracts are very clever parodies in themselves of a certain type of extremely idiotic religious mindset. Are we positive they are not? Are the very stupid movies that MST3k pokes fun at also not already parodies of themselves or of each other? The whole question is fraught with confusion.)
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
ak-- Chick tracts are very definitely, and unfortunately, real.
Also, I am very confident that a court would rule that MST3K was not being parodied and was having its copyright infringed upon. A parody requires a targeted intent to critique, almost always through lambast or ridicule. Intent matters greatly in parody.
Of course, I think Ralphie should continue to do them. There is no commercial intent behind them, and it's far below a criminal infringment and only a civil infringement, so the worst that would happen is she'd be asked to stop making them and take them down, and if she did so it would never go to court. And I doubt even that will come, even if the MST3K people find out. I think they'd like what she's doing, and copyright does not grow weaker if unenforced.
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
quote: Crow: "Overwroughtsoul"... that sounds familiar. I want to say Orson Scott Card for some reason.
hee hee hee...
Parodying a parody? I know they did that with Gone With the Wind. My mom said it was actually based on a book called The Wind's Done Gone, which was about the plight of the slaves and made fun of the southern gentry. But I think they actually bought the rights or something. I might be getting this completely wrong.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
The Wind Done Gone was a fairly recent book that parodied Gone With the Wind, and won a court case brought by the owners of Gone With the Wind because the Wind Done Gone was a parody. The judge chastised the owners of Gone With the Wind for even bothering to bring a lawsuit against such an obvious parody that contained no substantial direct infringment (that is, quotes). The writing was almost wholly original, the big overlap being the story.
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
Once again proving that I never listen to my mother.
quote:but what is your calling," she queried,
Mike [Grignr]: "I teach the gospel doctrine class." Crow: Is that religious humor, Mike? Mike: Uh, yeah. LDS. Tom: Good thing you didn't mock the Scientologists or we'd all be dead now.
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