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DuragonM (1:06:15 AM): Who here will join my progrom?
DuragonM (1:06:51 AM): I will offer the finest weapons
DuragonM (1:07:34 AM): We will hunt down and put an end to the Evil Sorcoress Katharina and her music box chimp, Lalo
DuragonM (1:08:46 AM): women are always throwing themselves at me, I'm used to it

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I think I damaged some important internal organs reading this. Kevin, I gotta hand it to you, you have one hell of a sense of humor.

But I'm also kinda jealous. Why aren't I the Evil Sorceress and Katharina my music box chimp?
 

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Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
 
Is Duragon still pretending not to be Kevin?

If so, that's really quite sad.

I would bet my LIFE that they are the same person. No exageration whatsoever.
 

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
 
Have I seen a picture of you on a milk cartoon Lalo? I kind of remember seeing something that looked like .

Hobbes
 

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Posted by Lalo (Member # 3772) on :
 
Heh. Javie, you don't know the half of it. I'm fairly sure Katharina and I were picked because we've both, in the past week, publically named Duragon as Kevin.

I'm just surprised he didn't name Pat as Katharina's Evil Vizier, or something.
 

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
 
Hey, if anyone's going to be a vizier it'll be me. I don't care how evil I have to be to get the part! See?

Hobbes
 

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Posted by Duragon C. Mikado (Member # 2815) on :
 
This, and the hate mail that comes up every time that someone starts this "I am kevin/credrios" crap is why I am leaving hatrack. A forum is not worth this kind of harassment. There are plenty other online communities out there. Even though I enjoy this one, I have gone through attempting to prove who I am repeatedly, I have offered to meet with forum members, because honestly I think it would be cool. But enough is enough, this is not for pity so much as to make everyone here know that I am gone so you can stop your little rants about me and stop the harassing emails. I will probably just wind up getting a new address anyway. Goodbye, please don't even bother contacting me, its obvious these people will not stop, they've kept it up over almost a year. This is not a fun place for me anymore. If you want to email me I can't guarantee I'll get it, I'll probably just get a new address because this forum is not worth this kind of stress.

[ September 12, 2003, 03:00 AM: Message edited by: Duragon C. Mikado ]
 

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
 
((((((((((((DcM))))))))))))

Hobbes
 

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Posted by Lalo (Member # 3772) on :
 
Kevin, I have to admit, I find it really difficult to believe people are taking time out of their busy schedules to e-mail you about your identity. Can you name names or post the offending e-mails?

Also, if you'll remember, I offered to meet you. In chat, you claimed you were meeting Geoff and Slash up in Washington somewhere -- as I'm heading up there in the next few months, we may be able to turn your crowd of three into a party of four. When I offered to meet you, you immediately declared that you'd had enough and put me on ignore.

So. How about it? Or are you above meeting Katharina's music box chimp?
 

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
 
I fail to see why it matters even if he is Kevin. I mean, assuming he's Kevin, he's clearly trying to change, he has a new identity, and his posts have all been well within the line of decency (as far as I know). So if DcM is Kevin I really don't have a problem with him continuining to post here...

Though I don't really think he is Kevin vis a vie (that's probably not how it's spelled...) Leto's "track-down" a while back.

Hobbes
 

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Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
 
Trust us Hobbes, there is literally NO DOUBT.

I honestly don't care, but like I said, I think its pretty sad.
 

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Posted by Lalo (Member # 3772) on :
 
Actually, and I've told Kevin this numerous times, it'd be so much easier to respect him if he'd cut out the threats and lies and come clean.

I'm not at all convinced by John's "test." What happened was a computer in Washington went to Grenme -- nothing more, nothing less. There's no way of telling if it was Duragon or a friend of his who lives in Washington.

Nobody even try to make the argument that because Duragon seems to have friends, he can't be Kevin.
 

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
 
Like I said, I don't think it matters, so either way, if DcM wants people to lay off about it I fail to see why people shouldn't lay off about it.

Hobbes
 

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Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
Come on Proctor, admit your a witch so we can save your soul by hanging you, or we'll hang you for lying to us. Your choice.
 

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Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
The OBVIOUS reason that you are not the sorceress, Lalo, is because you believe in evolution.

DcM's instant message is a wonderfully clever denunciation of both superstitious religions and vainglorious scientific pursuits.

How could you be the sorceress? Impossible! From your posts on hatrack, you display leanings toward the materialistic, physical, natural world. The world of touchable evidences, the world of biology, physics, chemistry. And yet it is a world where man is only higher a little higher than the monkey. Where man dances to the tune of biological impulses and environmental pressures.

And you just returned from the jungle. Which is where monkeys live.
 

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Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
 
@ Scott

And I agree with everything Hobbes has said in this thread so far.
 

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Posted by Leonide (Member # 4157) on :
 
Actually, Nathan, they would have only excommunicated Proctor to a life of exile and brought shame upon his family and his sons if he admitted that he trucked with the devil.


Which begs the question...is katharina Abigail? Slash would definitely be Mary.
And who does that make Lalo??
 

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Posted by ak (Member # 90) on :
 
He sure sounds like Kevin, doesn't he?

Hey, Kevin, it's great if you want to reform, but I sure don't blame anyone, after the way you've acted, for wanting nothing further whatsoever to do with you. Do you? Seriously?
 

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Posted by Human (Member # 2985) on :
 
Am I the only one who doesn't think this guy was Cedrios? I mean, Ced did stuff like getting himself ordained, and was really weird and jerky. All I've been able to find on this guy is some arguing. Lots of it, but nothing bad.

Are you sure you really have a claim to jump on this guy?
 

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Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
 

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Nobody even try to make the argument that because Duragon seems to have friends, he can't be Kevin.

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Yes, I did.
 

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Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
 
Duragon doesn't deserve this pogrom. He was a little rocky in his initial inflamatory posts but he has calmed down and become a contributing member of the hatrack community, much like the more recent Ryan Hart.

Why are you still out to get him? Even if he is Ced you have to forgive sometime. Holding a grudge about something as inane as an internet forum, even if it is a very special internet forum is really stupid.

AJ
 

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Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
Oh my word.

Good heavens, I don't even know what to think. I was all excited about having my name in a thread title, too. Those waiting for displays of magic will be sorely dissapointed, I'm afraid. I'm indignant that anyone would think I would keep an animal around to do monkey tricks, but flabbergasted that someone would cast Lalo in the role.

Anyway, for the record: everything I've said is FOR the record. If someone is e-mailing him, then it must be from another place. I haven't, and I really can't even imgaine Eddie doing so.

*sneaks off to try the Alohamora spell, just in case*
 

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Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
 
You know, I hesitate even now to post, but the only one who has ever claimed to get hate mail from Hatrack is Kevin.

I was on Durango's side until the cry of legions of hate mail.

And, lovely Kat, your being an Evil Sorceress is KICKIN RAD. I wish I had gotten cast in the role. I mean, here I had worked so hard establishing myself as E-vile Genie. : pouts :
 

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Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
 
I also thought it was quite funny because on issues, it is clear that Kat and Lalo disagree about as much as it is possible to most things!

That sarcastic sense of humor is one of the things I dig about Duragon.


AJ
 

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Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
I must say I am honored and excited to be given this role. There are so many other Hatrackers at this time that could do a wonderful job. I think it was my second audition that clinched it. I arrived attired in the dress Malificent wore in the denoument of Sleeping Beauty, and I believe that dedication really pays off. The director knows that you care.

I'm been trying to use to the Method acting technique. I've read The Mists of Avalon, the Crucible, and I Was A Teenage Witch four times now; I'm really getting a hold on this character. The power comes from the innate humanity at the core of each of us, but it was twisted when my character endured a humiliating childhood being forced to play the part of the chimp in her grandmother's traveling troupe.

You would think that experience would teach her compassion, but the compassion was dashed the day she tried to help an old lady cross the street. The lady beat her with two of the Tiffany bags and called the cops. That was the end for helping the world. The despairing cry in her heart WILL sound from the throats of every innocent soul.
 

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Posted by ak (Member # 90) on :
 
It's not a matter of forgiveness, Anna Jo. It's just that unless there's some evidence that someone has really changed, it only makes sense to expect more of the destructive sociopathic behavior that they've shown repeatedly in the past.

I think everyone would be only too happy if Kevin changed for the better. Hatrack's a very forgiving community, and always has been. Kevin is never sorry, though, and hasn't show any signs of changing that I've ever seen. He just likes to berate people for not forgiving him for the stuff he's not sorry for and intends to keep on doing.
 

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Posted by Human (Member # 2985) on :
 
Again I say...is there any non-circumstantial evidence to convict Duragon of being Cedrios? You say he sounds like him, you say he's the only one to claim hate mail...what's to say he isn't GETTING hate mail? I think he's being jumped on unnecessarily .
 

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Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Ralphie

I believe that RedskullVW and Baldar also claim to have gotten hate mail from Hatrack.

msquared
 

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Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
 
I see your point ak, and understand about Ced specifically. I probably used too much hyperbole in defending Duragon. As far as I can tell other than similar posting styles, which aren't nearly as accurate as fingerprints for identification, it is impossible to prove that Duragon is Ced. In fact he was given a clean bill by some of the most vehement Ced haters there are. Plus Duragon has apologized about stuff in the past which is very un-cedlike. He also has shown growth and change while he has been here.

I feel horribly for Duragon, aparently unjust accusal of committing crimes he didn't and thought he was an asset to the community of Hatrack.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

AJ
 

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Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
"I hesitate even now to post, but the only one who has ever claimed to get hate mail from Hatrack is Kevin."

I recall that both Redskull and Baldar's wife (but not Baldar himself) also said they received hate mail from Hatrack; Redskull, in particular, said the hate mail came in such volume that his bosses noticed, and that this mail somehow cost him his job.

I still consider this to be a ghastly possibility, even if an unlikely one.
 

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Posted by Damien (Member # 5611) on :
 
I was in chat right then, and I somehow missed this thread, heh. That was funny. I'll be on my way, now...

~~Meatless~~
 

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Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
I don't get that. Can't you block someone? I mean, heck, I've blocked Redskull. I know it's possible.

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Duragon doesn't deserve this pogrom.

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No, he doesn't. Neither do Lalo and I, incidentally.

[ September 12, 2003, 11:40 AM: Message edited by: katharina ]
 

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Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
 
You know, you're right. They did.

I just absolutely cannot buy the idea of Hatrackers sending hate mail by the gallons. Or even at all.

Maybe one or two of the looser screws , but not en masse.
 

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Posted by Human (Member # 2985) on :
 
Maybe it isn't any of the ones who post. And maybe it's just one person sending a lot of stuff. But...I still don't think it's fair to judge and slam Duragon for only hearsay and circumstantial evidence.

He has always seemed to me to be fairly decent. I don't think he deserves this treatment, even if he really IS Ced. If he is, he's a reformed, very much improved Ced. One, I believe, who deserves a little tolerance.
 

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Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
What treatment? I did call him Ced, and then sat on my hands. You should have seen what he called me. This thread hasn't been hard on him; he's the one calling for a pogrom. What treatment exactly is happening?

Lalo did injure himself laughing so hard at him, but I think that's okay. There's the e-mail accusations, which just seems wierd to me, but I suppose there's a chance. Heck, if he isn't, maybe the real Ced is e-mailing him just to be funny.
 

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Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
You people need to laugh more at my write-up.

I mean, seriously. . . my thoughts are MUCH more important than this little tiff. . .
 

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Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
I know! Here I poured my heart out about my struggles to get into character, and no one even noticed. *sniff* Where's my Access Hollywood accolades? Where's my Oscar speech? Where's my eager paparazzi!!

I don't think it's a tiff. No one's fighting! Lalo's still laughing and I'm staring into the mirror trying on a chain mesh ... corset.

[ September 12, 2003, 12:28 PM: Message edited by: katharina ]
 

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Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
 
Maybe the more important question here is "What is a music box chimp?" Most of the music boxes I've seen have balerinas inside of them.

Kat can embrace her role as a powerful sorcers. But what does Lalo do? I thought it was organ grinders that had monkeys. Do we need to get Lalo a calopie?


AJ
 

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Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
 
Okay. I just got some pretty conclusive evidence DcM is, indeed, Kevin.

It's kinda sad, actually. I was really liking Duragon. Which is to say, I was liking Kevin again. I have no doubt Kevin will come back as another incarnation, as it seems it's like a sickness for him to continue returning to Hatrack over and over again.

Kevin - I know you're reading this, so don't even think I buy the crap that you won't be back. I think I'd have a much easier time of it if you'd just reveal your identity and not be so smarmy about stuff. Your posting style seems to have improved dramatically, and while I still believe you have a pretty troubled mind, you certainly wouldn't be the only one the 'rack.

However, if you spin a web of lies, not because you fear disapproval and not being accepted, but rather because you're a compulsive liar then the next incarnation will be discovered, and the next, and the next. You will never be able to stop this cycle, and you will continue to leave in a huff under the guise of persecution and hate driving you off. It's a difficult cycle on this community, and it just makes you look more and more like a putz.

When you come back, which you most assuredly will as you cannot seem to leave this place entirely, come back as who you are, try not to lie every time you blink, and continue the posting style of Duragon. I certainly wouldn't hesitate to think of you as a part of this community if that were the case.

Otherwise, man, get some counciling and find out why you can't stop screwing with a frikkin' on-line community. Even you have to see that as beyond pathetic.

edit: Scott - you're very funny. Good job emulating my style! It is it's own reward.

[ September 12, 2003, 12:29 PM: Message edited by: Ralphie ]
 

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Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
*pictures Lalo in a tutu*

*scrubs brain* Oh my stars.
 

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Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
My post looks so innapropriate now.
 

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Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
 
I do it on purpose, Kat.
 

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Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
You're very good at that. Do you want Rita's corset back? I was just borrowing it.
 

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Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
 
<cackle> my work here is done... Kat has pictured Lalo in a tutu. Mission accomplished even if my previous accidental misspellings were abdominable enough to make JonBoy cringe.

AJ
 

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Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
Ralphie: Easy to say, after I'VE been funny, and you've been. . . petulant?
 

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Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
 
Yes, but I pout so PRETTILY.

And I take credit for anything cool you do. Did I mention I've decided you're my minion?
 

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Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
 
What does "to protrude the lips in an expression of displeasure or sulkiness" have to do with being "unreasonably irritable or ill-tempered; peevish?"

Idle curiosity and all.
 

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Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
 
Cause petulant people pout.

Or something.
 

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Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
 
I agree with Ralphie Kevin. Come back as yourself, stop with the compulsive lying, and I will even make you a freaking welcome thread.
 

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Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
I also agree with Ralphie.
 

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Posted by Lalo (Member # 3772) on :
 
I beg your pardon. I happen to look striking in a tutu.

Wait until you see me in fishnets...
 

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Posted by Redskullvw (Member # 1549) on :
 
Wow
Someone blocked me from sending them mail?

Whats even funnier is it happens to be someone who I really like and enjoy reading.

Oh well
 

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Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
I'm YOUR minion?

While the notion's. . .um. . . intriguing, I'm really too uninteresting to be a minion. Really. I didn't even get cast for the Hatrack movie. In the Hatrack world of fame and accolation, I'm like. . . I dunno. . . a really plain George Costanza. Though not as short. Or fat. Or bald. Or whiny. Okay, scratch that. I'm like a really plain Tom Hanks. Just plain.

I mean, I have no quirks. I'm completely, and totally, uninteresting. If they made a sitcom about me, it could only run on PBS. I'm that dull. If my life were an action movie, it could only be shown on TLC-- on Brum, or Hi-5. I DO dig that car, after all. . .

:sings: Ba-bum-diddly-um BRUUUUMMM!

Besides, I don't think you can afford me. I come with a wife and three small children. Do you really want baby vomit all over your dungeon? And my wife-- she's really into country decorating. Within a week, no lie, the manacles and racks would be replaced with spinning wheels, homemade quilts. . . and you'd be wearing a nice frock and bonnet combo.

Not exactly what you're looking for, I'm afraid.

[ September 12, 2003, 09:19 PM: Message edited by: Scott R ]
 

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Posted by Danzig (Member # 4704) on :
 
To put on my PC hat, "pogrom" seems to be an unnecessarily offensive term. Whether you are that bastard Cedrios, or merely your own bastard.
 

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Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
You people wouldn't know a thread derailment if it came up and hit you in the face with a railroad tie. . .

Which I'm considering as an appropriate action at this point.
 

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Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
 
You know, you have a point. I couldn't take the country decor and quilts.



Goodbye, sweet minion. You were with me but a moment, but your memory shall live on. In my dungeon, and in my heart.
 

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Posted by LadyDove (Member # 3000) on :
 
::Pictures a macabre musical ::

-a masked face peers through the window, it's snowing outside so you want to let it in
-BananaOJ is making a smoothie in the corner
-Kat is posing in a flowing blue gown, with the back of her left hand pressed against her left ear
- Eddie is dancing around with a tail and tutu
-Toni is dressed like Laura Ingalls with a pie in one hand and a whip in the other
- Scott is batting away his wife's attempts to measure him for a pair of crocheted trousers

Ahhh, caffeine, I need caffeine 'cause I don't want to fall asleep with THESE images playing in my head.
 

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Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
Redskull, I'm not even sure that was you. Was that you? Oh dear - I didn't mean to be offensive.

Was I hallucinating? My stars, who was it? I've deleted all related e-mails and this was months ago. *sits down to think carefully*
 

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Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
Scott R, I know you're not really interested in either being or aquiring minions, but I did go through a vague "ScottRgroupie" phase some time ago. I mean, you've made it into the poetry and quotes section of my planner. The only other Hatracker to THAT is TomD.

[ September 13, 2003, 03:25 PM: Message edited by: katharina ]
 

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Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 

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You were with me but a moment, but your memory shall live on. In my dungeon, and in my heart.

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