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Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
 
I've got plans this weekend, so I'm closing the list now with WOW, 29 players! I will be sending out the emails in the next few hours. I do, however, need the email addresses of the following players:

celia60
Happy Camper
jamaha

To recap the rules:

IRL Mafia (just to give you a visual image):
quote:
The more players you have for this game, the more fun you'll have.
It has some tricky rules, but you'll get the hang of it, it calms the group down, but is great fun!

All the players sit in a circle. All you need is a deck of cards. One person is "the lookout" and stays out of the circle. The lookout then takes the deck of cards (face down, so no one can see them) and goes around the circle letting everyone pick only 1 card from the deck. Once everyone has their card (be sure that they don't show them to anyone else) and the lookout then tells them the rules.

The lookout should tell them that if they have a king card, they are a cop. If they have an ace card, they are a part of the mafia. It is important they don't tell anyone who they are. The lookout now says, "its night time!" and everyone shuts their eyes and puts their head down to their lap. Then the lookout says,"police, heads up" and the people who have king cards should put their heads up to show the lookout who they are. As soon as the lookout says "heads down" the police put their heads down. Then the lookout shouts "mafia, heads up!" and the people with Ace cards put their heads up, to show the lookout who they are. The lookout once again says: "heads down", and then says "its daytime!" and everyone puts their heads up.

Now that the lookout knows who the mafia and policemen are, he can assume everyone else is a citizen (people with a Queen, a Jack or a number card.) Now the lookout can repeat the process of "night time". But the second time he does this, when the policeman's heads are up, the policeman can point to one person, and the lookout can tell them whether they are citizen or mafia. When the mafia's heads are up, the mafia can point to one person, but the lookout says nothing, the person they point to is automatically "Dead" and out of the game. When "Daytime" comes, the lookout says whoever the mafia pointed at: "You're dead" and the person can now reveal who he was. You can then go around the circle and have one person accuse someone of being in the mafia. Everyone votes to get that person out. If enough people vote, he is out, and can reveal who he is, if not enough people vote, he stays in the game, still not revealing who he is.

The object is to have the policeman or citizens get all 4 of the mafia out of the game. If this happens, the mafia has lost. If the mafia get all 4 policeman out of the game, the mafia has won.

Modifications for online:
Schedule:
Night falls at 9pm Pacific (midnight Hatrack time). When night falls, the citizens must have their votes in. You may choose not to vote.

Daytime starts at around 9am Pacific (noon Hatrack Time). I will announce the lynching victim and mafia kill at that time.

I need to hear from the Mafia and Doctor each day before 7am Pacific (10am Hatrack Time).

The game starts Monday, Sept 22nd and runs Monday through Friday. We will break for the weekend. If the game is still going (as it almost surely will be with this many players), we will skip Monday the 29th, as I will be out of town that day. The game will resume Tuesday the 30th.

Additional Thought:

GHOSTS -- once you are dead, you're insubstantial and fluffy. You're welcome on the game threads, but for the sake of the game, please limit your comments to what you are -- insubstantial and fluffy.

Player List:

Anna
Avadaru
blacwolve
celia60
Damander
Erik Slaine
Eruve Nandiriel
Feyd Baron
fugu13
hansenj
Happy Camper
Head Ditch Digger
jamaha
msquared
Narnia
newfoundlogic
pajeba
Raia
Ralphie
rivka
Ryan Hart
Ryuko
sarcasticmuppet
Sopwith
Synesthesia
T_Smith
Troubador
Youth ap Orem
Zevlag

Oh, one last, last thought:

msquared and Ralphie are invincible until Day 2. Mafia may not choose to kill them, and I will not allow them to be lynched.
 
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
 
Okay, all emails are sent now. If you didn't get one, please let me know.
 
Posted by Erik Blackheart (Member # 5610) on :
 
Them be fine rules, lass! I'll have to send a launch to retrieve emails at the nearest port!
 
Posted by Jenny Wren (Member # 5698) on :
 
Aargh, Cap'n, I fergot 'bout the special day of 'ccasion where we be talkin' like the pirates we arrrrre.

Read the above rules with a pleasin' piratish lilt if ye know what's good fer ya.
 
Posted by Ye Olde Insufferable Bitch (Member # 5607) on :
 
celia60 at hotmail.com

sorry, i thought you could still email me stuff throught the board email function.
 
Posted by Sopwith (Member # 4640) on :
 
Arrrr that's the spirit lassie!

Har, where's me parrot?

What do ye mean that tweren't chicken we had for lunch???

[Grumble]
 
Posted by Youth ap Orem (Member # 5582) on :
 
I never received the e-mail jeniwren. [Cry]
 
Posted by Jenny Wren (Member # 5698) on :
 
The message is out, Insufera..Instatu...Insuppor.. Inpronouns... damn the British Navy to the depths of Hell, whatever yer name is. Ye should have now.
 
Posted by Jenny Wren (Member # 5698) on :
 
Youth, yer email address is (*snort*) hot_male_guy at hotmail.com?

*laffs some more*
 
Posted by Youth ap Orem (Member # 5582) on :
 
Fancy myself to be a dashing young swashbucker i do. YAR!!! (it's ok if i can be a pirate too?)
 
Posted by Youth ap Orem (Member # 5582) on :
 
Hah, my AIM SN is Sxysexyman... I need all the self-esteem boosters i can get
 
Posted by Jenny Wren (Member # 5698) on :
 
Blimey Mister, if ye got to ask for permission, I reckon' ye ain't the right material for meraudin' on the high seas.

Still, we gotta have a coupla crew members to catch the few cannonballs the Navy scum manage to get close to us. How's yer catchin' abilities?

The second email just went out, Youth. I hope it be all yer hopin' fer.
 
Posted by Erik Blackheart (Member # 5610) on :
 
Youth, tis a fine name fer a Pirate! Arrr!

Message recieved, Ma'am. We'll be at yer disposal 'err sunrise Monday! [Big Grin] <---big Pirate grin.
 
Posted by Zevlag (Member # 1405) on :
 
Argh! Blasted pirate day, does drive me irate. This is the annual no-zevlag post day!

I got my email.
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Still waiting for mine. [Frown]

Ralphie is my minion. I shall protect her and she shall not die the first day. [Smile]

msquared
 
Posted by Jenny Wren (Member # 5698) on :
 
Arrgh, m2, I be thinkin' that hotmail is slower than Her Majesty's boats. I've re-sent yer 'mail.
 
Posted by Zevlag (Member # 1405) on :
 
And I will protect you both. You will not die the first day!
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Evil Zelvag, stay away from my love slave Ralphie. [Mad] [No No]

She is my minion. We have no need of you puny support. I am all Ralphie needs to survive the first day. [Razz]

msquared
 
Posted by Zevlag (Member # 1405) on :
 
She's mine!

Back off you ::exceedingly large amounts of name calling here:: !!!

---
:: returns later to beg forgivnesss of m2 and Toni ::

"I am not worthy!"

[ September 19, 2003, 03:23 PM: Message edited by: Zevlag ]
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Zelvag,

You may think you are big stuff with your 1200 or so post, as compared to my measly 800 or so posts, but I know something that you do not know. I also have over 2000 posts at Ornery so that puts my post count at nearly 3000. There fore I am obviously a better person than you. [Taunt] [Taunt]

You will have to come through me to get to Ralphie. Oh wait, hold on, that does not sound like she is a minion. She should be protecting me and being my human shield. [Confused]

I guess I will have to think about this some more.

msquared
 
Posted by Erik Blackheart (Member # 5610) on :
 
Black Ralphie Bonnie will not be amused at ye Lads when she returns!

I 'ere she 'ates it when pirates fight over her booty!
 
Posted by Zevlag (Member # 1405) on :
 
Oh, so you have 2000 more Ornery posts, well, I have 250 there, 250 on Nauvoo and 1000 on PWeb. But I don't boast those. Who cares about a post count. I don't.

It's all Ralphie, the queen of love! She is what makes this all worth while.

No harm will come unto her!
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Got it.

msquared
 
Posted by Damien (Member # 5611) on :
 
Darn. I wanted to play. *pouts*

Can I be in for next time?

~¤~Damien~¤~
 
Posted by Jenny Wren (Member # 5698) on :
 
Sorry Damien, it'll have to be next time.
 
Posted by Feyd Baron (Member # 1407) on :
 
I also have not recieved and E-mail. Is this bad?
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
I have to wait till Monday? [Frown]
 
Posted by jamaha (Member # 4874) on :
 
My email is jamaha510@hotmail.com
 
Posted by Sarcasticpirette (Member # 5615) on :
 
aarg, I be gettin' my email.
 
Posted by Jenny Wren (Member # 5698) on :
 
nfl, ye can start playin' now if ye like, but I ain't postin the first kill 'til Monday.

Speakin' of kills, mafia, I would like yer first kill by sometime Sunday, please. Ye should be gettin' an email from me shortly tellin' ye who yer teammates be.

Feyd, I re-sent yer role. Let me know if ye still haven't gotten it.

jamaha, yer email's been sent out. Let me know if ye don't get it.
 
Posted by Sarcasticpirette (Member # 5615) on :
 
aaarg, let's be lynchin' Jon Boy. He's expendable.
 
Posted by Black Ralphie Bonny (Member # 4207) on :
 
quote:
It's all Ralphie, the queen of love! She is what makes this all worth while.

Argh - I not be Ralphie!

I be Black Ralphie Bonny!
 
Posted by FungusHearted Pete (Member # 5617) on :
 
I'm SOOO glad I risked clicking on that link!! [ROFL]
 
Posted by msquaaaaaared (Member # 5704) on :
 
I have just kidnaped that manby panby msquared and taken his scurvy place.
Avast Black Ralphie Bonny, prepare to be boarded.

msquaaaaaared
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
Well Ryan Hart was lynched last time despite his citizenshipness so this time he must be Mafia, but I'm not voting yet.
 
Posted by Jenny Wren (Member # 5698) on :
 
nfl, interesting thought. Just so you know...I pick the roles literally at random. I print the list of players, cut them up and throw them in a bowl, drawing out names for each role. I rarely actually choose a person for a role, though I do occasionally throw out a name that may come up for a role if I think it would be a bad fit and thus make for a bad game.
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
quote:
I will assign the roles.
That had made me think otherwise, but alright. For now you can't do much more than guess anyways so I figure I'll accuse my fellow Republican.
 
Posted by Jenny Wren (Member # 5698) on :
 
POLICEMEN AND MAFIA: I have sent out the complete lists of your teams. If you did not get it, please let me know.

MAFIA, I want your kill by sometime tomorrow. DOCTOR, I need your save by 7am Pacific Monday.
 
Posted by Happy Camper (Member # 5076) on :
 
Well, I thought my email address was visible to members. However, given what I understand of the rules, it may be in the best interest of my contribution to the game that I be removed. My internet connectivity has taken to disappearing for days at a time [Mad] , so I can't really guarantee my ability to participate. Sorry bout this. I'll get in next time if I notice it [Dont Know]
 
Posted by Feyd Baron (Member # 1407) on :
 
Any chance you could just donate your roll and what not to Damien? That'd work only if you hadn't told anybody about it, and Jenny Wren approved. But it is a suggestion...

Feyd Baron, DoC
 
Posted by Youth ap Orem (Member # 5582) on :
 
I think feyd is being too nice... he must be mafia! lynch him!
 
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
 
Feyd, that's a good idea. Damien, you're welcome to take Happy Camper's place if you like. Email me when you have a chance and I'll let you know what his/your role will be.

Thank you, HC, for letting me know before the game started.
 
Posted by Zevlag (Member # 1405) on :
 
YAO, that isn't a good way to go about finding Mafia. We as townspeople can't just go lynchin everybody. Why would you move into a town of mean people, when you chose your neighbors it was because they were nice folks. Now just because we find out there is mafia amongst us is no reason to turn on your best of friends.

Join us in AIM: Hatrack Mafia Chat

[ September 20, 2003, 05:23 PM: Message edited by: Zevlag ]
 
Posted by Head Ditch Digger (Member # 5085) on :
 
Yeah that only works when Jon Boy is playing. He is fun to rush off and lynch.
 
Posted by Ryan Hart (Member # 5513) on :
 
Why does everyone want to kill me?

Lets have town meetings at 8:30 again that worked out well. Hatrack Mafia Chat
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
What time zone is that?
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
and would AOL work or do I need to sign on to AIM?
 
Posted by Ryan Hart (Member # 5513) on :
 
AIM is fine. 830 eastern time
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
I said it last game and I will say it again. The townies should not lynch someone unless the police identify someone as mafia.

The purpose of the game is for the townies to outnumber the mafia. If we townies start lynching the first day we play right into their hands. I have suggested that any one who votes the first day or two may very well be mafia, trying to get the town to lynch someone, and that they would be subject to lynching themselves the next day.

So please, all townies, remember, lynching only helps the mafia the first couple of days. Do not vote for any one until a policeman comes forward to identify a mafia. We should suspect any one who trys to lynch anyone else the first day or two.

msquared
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
I can't do AIM. How about parachat?

Is this today or Monday evening?

msquared
 
Posted by Head Ditch Digger (Member # 5085) on :
 
The problem with that M^2, is that we may get lucky. I fwe do not vote the mafia is still picking us off one by one lowering the ratio. So the question is do we feel lucky?
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
HDD,
How lucky do you feel? There are 29 players, 1 doctor and an unknown number of mafia and police. So the mafia will pick one of us off each day. That will happen until all the mafia are lynched. We should not help them by lynching innocent people or potentially usefull people like the doctor or a policeman. Again, the GOAL of the game is for the townies to out number the mafia. We should do all in our power to keep the number of townies high. Lynching someone the first day or two only, and I repeat ONLY plays into the hand of the mafia. ANYONE who votes to lynch the first day or two is mafia trying to remove more townies. There is no way to argue against this.

msquared
 
Posted by Head Ditch Digger (Member # 5085) on :
 
The sherrif gets to ask about one person a day. If we wait till he/she gets a hit. It may be a while. The odds are the same. If we wait to long the mafia will increase their own odds.

But, I see the logic of waiting at least a day, to see what flushes out.
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
HDD,

You still have it wrong. Any lynching that does not kill a mafia helps the mafia. If the townies make the mafia do all their own killing it will take them longer.

Think about this. RANDOM LYNCHINGS ONLY HELP THE MAFIA. We, the townies, might get lucky and get one, but we might also get a police or the doctor. The we are doubly screwed. The only, and I repeat again loudly the ONLY, group that is helped by random lynchings is the mafia. In a war of attrition, where the police will eventually find a mafia, killing your own randomly is helping the mafia.

msquared
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
I disagree, if we do nothing then the Mafia can pick us off. At least when we lynch an innocent person the odds are higher that the remaining people are Mafia. I think we have to act.
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
NFL,

They can pick us off one by one but it will take an incredibly long time. If we lynch random people they will win that much faster. Let the police do their job.

Think it through. Any lynching done the first three days or so with out input from the police is playing right into the hands of the mafia. They get two kills for the price of one. This is a game of attrition and killing people randomly, which is what we would be doing, only helps the mafia. Did you read the last game. There were 4-6 dead townies, 3 at the hand of the other townies before the first cop came out and identified a mafia. The mafia almost won that game becuase the townies did half their work for them. With this many people, unless there a heck of a lot of police and mafia, the chances are you will kill a townie. Killing a townie might increase the odds that someone else is mafia, but it also increases the odds that two townies will die in one turn versus one. The ratio is better for us townies if only one of us dies a turn.

msquared
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
But if the citizens had just done nothing they probably would have taken out themsleves anyways but later. Unfortunately we are probably going to end up killing innocents either way but at least we can take Mafia down. The odds will definitely grow in the Mafia's favor from what you are proposing but in the long run it will definitely turn in our favor if we vote from the beginning all the more so with more players.
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
I think you are wrong. The first three turns the townies need to sit tight and let the police do their jobs. Voting only helps the mafia. Our chances of getting a mafia are slim.

Ok there are 29 players. Lets say that there are 5 mafia and 5 police and 1 doctor. That leaves 18 townies. Now the mafia make their first kill. Now there are 28 people, 17 townies. That means a 17% chance of getting a mafia and a 60.7% of killing a townie, 17% chance of killing a police and 3.5% chance of killing the doctor, for a total of 17% vs. 83%. Those are terrible odds. Now if you kill a townies, which is probable then the ratio of mafia to townies goes up from 5/18 at the start of the game to 5/16, or 27.7% to 31.3%. Now the next round the mafia make their kill. Now there are 26 people left. Your chance of getting a mafia has only gone up from 17% to 19%. If you take out another citizen we are down to 25 people and 14 townies. We are up to a mafia to townie ration of 5/14 or 35.7% We have bumped the chance of finding a mafia by 2% but they have bumped their chance of winning the game by 4%.

Make the mafia do their own work.

msquared
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
I'm very confused. I still think we should vote but if everyone feels we shouldn't then I'll bend.

I can't belive I missed the Town Meeting. Can anyone give me a recap?
 
Posted by hansenj (Member # 4034) on :
 
Eh, not much happened. Mostly we just decided that we were kind of ahead of ourselves, since the game hasn't even technically started yet. Just too excited for it to start I guess. [Razz]

As for this whole wait to vote thing, it seems to me like trying to cheat the system, but if jeniwren is ok with it, it might work... [Dont Know]
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
What is required for someone to be lynched though? If just one person votes would the votee be lynched? If so then couldn't a Mafia just vote and then they would be able to get two in a turn without risk to themselves.
 
Posted by MaureenJanay (Member # 2935) on :
 
Dang it...see what happens when you're gone for a couple days? Someone starts a game of mafia without you! [Frown]

[Grumble]
 
Posted by Erik Slaine (Member # 5583) on :
 
But if no one is lynched, we get no wonderful jeniwren narrative of the injustice being performed!:whiney smilie:
 
Posted by Damien (Member # 5611) on :
 
*peeks head in thread*

Hello? Can I play? =)

~¤~Damien~¤~
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
For what it's worth, I agree with m2. The odds of us randomly managing to kill a mafioso are too small.

As for HDD and nfl, who are both trying to justify random votes . . . *eyes them both squintily*

quote:
What is required for someone to be lynched though? If just one person votes would the votee be lynched? If so then couldn't a Mafia just vote and then they would be able to get two in a turn without risk to themselves.
Yes, yes, and no -- definite risk to the mafioso who votes. We lynch them the next day.

My suggestion to all players: IF YOU ARE NOT MAFIA, LYNCH NO ONE THE FIRST DAY (or two, or three) unless you can make a STRONG argument for doing so. Feel free to ignore this -- we'll just figure you ARE mafia and act accordingly. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by pajeba (Member # 5656) on :
 
Damien, I think Happy Camper was dropping out, so there should be an opening. If you email jeniwren, maybe you can work something out. [Smile]
 
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
 
You're in, Damien. I sent you your role.

I don't know what I'll do with a total abstension to voting. Bear in mind that MY role is to keep the game interesting. So if one side jeopardizes that by making it extremely lopsided, I'd probably have to do something.
 
Posted by pajeba (Member # 5656) on :
 
hmm, like natural disasters in mafia land?
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Shoot.

I knew this was too easy. [Wink]

*waits to see what the always-original jeniwren comes up with*
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
I just don't feel comfortable not voting. There's trying to win and have fun and there's just trying to win. Again I won't make myself the lone voter despite my feelings.
 
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
 
I think we're trying to have fun, and to win, at the same time.
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
In other words the former but I guess we need to make a collective agreement to vote.
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Hmm, I'm torn.

Between suggesting that if nfl WANTS us to lynch someone so much, perhaps he'd like to volunteer?

And being really curious to see what inventive thing jeniwren will do to us if we really do abstain from lynching anyone?

Decisions, decisions.
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
I just want the game to fun. If the majority of people here think its more fun not to vote than I won't.
 
Posted by Zevlag (Member # 1405) on :
 
:ooc:
How can it be FUN to NOT vote? Come'on folks, I've played this game many times, both as a townie and mafia. It definitely is NOT fun to be left on either side and have people around who don't know how/want to play. Vote, let's get those deadbeats outta here. Wether we win or loose to the Mafia, we stil had fun.
 
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
 
*applauds*
 
Posted by Head Ditch Digger (Member # 5085) on :
 
I am willing to bend to M^2's logic for now. But I still think that waiting too long to lynch is also playing into the hands of the mafia, but I did not play the last game. For now I will abstain from voting.
 
Posted by celia60 (Member # 2039) on :
 
So if we vote, we risk lynching a townie (obviously) and if we don't vote we risk unknown sanctions from our moderator? would that be the certain death of a random townie?!?!

When I first read the rules, I thought it was 4 mafia and 4 police, but we don't know that, right?
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
celia, last time we had 5 mafia and two police; with so many players I'd expect more.

Actually, the more I think about it the more I am tempted to not vote just to see what jeniwren has up her sleeve. [Evil] Of course, as one of the agitators, that makes me a likely target of whatever she comes up with . . . [Angst]
 
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
 
rivka: [Evil]
 
Posted by Ryan Hart (Member # 5513) on :
 
I say we don't vote until we KNOW.
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
I vote to vote because of the fun factor and the punishment factor and the playing in to the Mafia factor.
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Uhoh. [Eek!] [Angst]

Um, y'know, I've rethought this. And yeah, the whole let's-vote-cuz-it's-more-fun thing -- I see your point.
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
Actually the more I think about it it would be interesting to see what jenniwren comes up with. Is it possible a "natural disaster" could take out Mafia as well?
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
How about the Godfather? Some one the police can not find out about? The Godfather, for the most part, can only be found by random killing of people.

It is just something you don't want to do in the first few rounds.

msquard
 
Posted by Ryan Hart (Member # 5513) on :
 
Except we don't have a Godfather in this game.
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
Yeah, I definitely think my fellow Republican is Mafia. [Smile]
 
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
 
*is very confused*

Does someone want to explain to me what's going on?!
 
Posted by Youth ap Orem (Member # 5582) on :
 
So, to the poeple without aim chat at the time when meetings are held, what can we do?
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
Maybe that parachat thing I know nothing about? [Dont Know]
 
Posted by Youth ap Orem (Member # 5582) on :
 
Let me know when the parachatting is going down and ill be there
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
I am suggesting that the thing that Jeni can do is to put in the Godfather.

IIRC, the Godfather can never be found out by the police. So eventually the townies have to start making guesses.

All I am saying to the townies is do not vote to lynch anyone first or second round. It only helps the mafia.

Now if Jeni says that we have to vote, then I will do so, but one of the options was to abastain, and I am just asking for everyone to abstain.

msquared
 
Posted by Youth ap Orem (Member # 5582) on :
 
What if everyone abstains but one person.
Does someone still get lynched?
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
Yes but then we assume that person is Mafia and lynch 'em next time around. So it could very well be that the Mafia is manipulating us to not vote or we're living in a dictatorship.
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Yes

If one person votes then who ever that person voted for gets lynched. It would also make the person who voted suspect as the mafia.

If all the townies agree not to lynch, then the mafia can not gang up on one person and get that townie lynched. While the other townies spread their vote around, the mafia can concentrate their vote and make sure that one of them do not get lynched by accident. Any townie they get to vote with them just helps hide their complicity.

The townies limit the mafia by making them do all the work in the back ground.

msquared
 
Posted by Damien (Member # 5611) on :
 
nfl,

you're foolin' yourself... we're living in an autonomous colective.

~D~
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
But if they continue to vote in such a way then we can determine who is Mafia.
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Round one, no townie is supposed to vote. If you vote then you are suspect as mafia. If some one votes then they are either mafia or stupid, and I don't want any stupid townies. Either way, if some one votes then they get lynched the next turn.

Remember, when we vote to lynch there is a very good chance that most of the mafia will vote for the same person, to make sure that someone who is not mafia gets lynched. They will try and get other townies to agree with them to cover their tracks.

msquared
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
What if I vote for you? [Smile]
 
Posted by Damien (Member # 5611) on :
 
You both get 'it'...

~D~
 
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
 
*is STILL very confused*
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Well I would hope that all the other townies would see your evil ways and string you up the next round.

Or, of course, I could vote for you, leaving a draw and either we both die or neither of us.

But since you voted first, you are obviously the evil mafia. [Evil]

msquared
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Raia

e-mail me at msquaredmafia@hotmail.com and let me know what questions you have.

msquared

[ September 21, 2003, 10:12 PM: Message edited by: msquared ]
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
But I didn't vote for you. Besides if I did it would be symbolic because you are immune.
 
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
 
Thanks, msquared!!
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
nfl,

I understand. You are saying what if you vote for me the first round to lynch, but becuase I am immune I can not be killed?

I just reread what jeni posted and I can not get lynched the first turn. I did not realize that. I just thought that I could not get killed by the mafia first turn. It really does not matter. I wonder how jeni would write that up? [Smile]

Or we could all split our vote between Ralphie and me.

msquared
 
Posted by Damander (Member # 4439) on :
 
Okay guys, enough of this no voting thing. Can't you see how utterly ridiculous it all is?. It's not supposed to be that easy for the townies to win, otherwise the game wouldn't be fun at all.

That's part of the whole strategy of the game: guessing who to vote for, knowing who to trust when they accuse someone, and guessing when the mafia is trying to manipulate the townies. If someone doesn't get lynched everyday, not only will the game be less fun, but it will go on forever! So suck it up and vote. Maybe you'll be lucky and get a mafia, and maybe you'll help the mafia out by killing a townie or a policeman. That's just part of the game.

I don't want to hear anymore of this "no voting" strategy! [Grumble]
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Spoke like a true mafia. [Smile]

msquared
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
In the words of a famous character we all know, this will only work once. Then they will change the rules.

I still think that if Jeni puts in the Godfather, that that will even it out.

msquared
 
Posted by Youth ap Orem (Member # 5582) on :
 
I'm still wondering what the poeple without AIM are supposed to do, when everyone else is chatting.
 
Posted by pajeba (Member # 5656) on :
 
Youth, you could always try parachat, or would it be possible for you to use AIM express ?
 
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
 
Well, I'm going to miss most of them 'cause I'm busy then.

Is it 8 30 hatrack time, or what? I live in Indiana, and I have no idea whether we're currently on central or eastern time.
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
For some reason AIM express won't work on my computer and won't everyone have to use Parachat?
 
Posted by pajeba (Member # 5656) on :
 
nfl, have to use Parachat for what?
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
To replace AIM for the town meetings.
 
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
 
You guys are killin' me. [ROFL]

Doc, I need to hear from you before 7am Pacific Monday, please.
 
Posted by hansenj (Member # 4034) on :
 
In the past town meetings have been strictly optional. Only people who can make it come. If you don't have AIM or can't make it at that time, but you want to have a town meeting, you can always schedule one in a different place at a different time.
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Well, jeniwren, you know we live to entertain you. [Wink]
 
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
 
[ROFL]
And I think msquared is mafia, that's why he wants us to stop executions.
Kill him !
Edit to add [Evil Laugh]
I don't want to seem too ferocious [Wink]

[ September 22, 2003, 12:14 PM: Message edited by: Anna ]
 
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
Hey, wait a minute... um...

Kill Annie for me guys.
 
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
 
Why?
 
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
 
Oh, and : Ann ie doesn't play. I play and I'm Ann a .
 
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
I just wanted to create some death and destruction before I wasn't able to.

[Smile]
 
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
 
Is that why you want to kill me or why you called me Annie ? [Wink]

[ September 22, 2003, 12:22 PM: Message edited by: Anna ]
 
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
My mistake. I meant Anna.
 
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
 
No need to worry, it happens often, maybe because our names are close and I'm French and she loves France, so...
 
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
That must be it. Or it could have been a freudian slip and I really do want to kill Annie...

::malicious look::
::back to normal::

Or it could have just been a simple mistake.
 


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