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Posted by Patsy (Member # 5699) on :
 
It all began with the rosebud tea service. If I’d known that, I might have given it greater regard, but as it was, who could know?

The morning the Table arrived, His Majesty called on me to witness its installation. I suspect that the only reason he called on me was that there was no one else in the castle. Except for the Smith, who was obviously busy at his duties.

So I watched the big burly men (nice biceps on one, I noted) bring in the enormous slabs of wood and lay them out on the huge trestle. After they were done and everything was nailed down within an inch of its life, Arthur looked at me expectantly. He was bulging with pride.

“It’s square,” I replied.

“It’s not,” said the King of the Britons.

“It is.”

“Is not.”

“Is too.”

“Not.”

“Is.”

“Not!”

“Is!”

“NOT!”

“IS, Sire. It has four corners. That makes it a square.”

“I ordered a Round Table. It’s round.”

“It’s not, I say. See here, it’s got corners.”

“It’s Round. A King under the mandate of heaven gets corners on his Round Table as a bonus.”

I thought about that a moment. “You got them for free, is that it?”

“Of course. Silly Patsy.”

At that moment, the Smith rolled in with his cart and began laying out the service. It was the Rosebud tea service, his Majesty’s favorite. He caught his hip on corner of the Round Table and I winced.

“What is it today, Nathan?” inquired King Arthur.

“Earl Grey, Your Majesty,” the Tea Smith replied.

I looked closely and saw a telltale tag hanging out from the lid of the teapot. “See here, Smith. That’s not Earl Grey. It’s Lipton.”

The Tea Smith looked angry and said, “It’s not. It’s His Majesty’s favorite, Earl Grey.”

“It’s Lipton.”

“Earl Grey.”

“Lipton. Look, it’s right here on the tag hanging out of the pot, you idiot.”

“Uh....that was just a decoy to make you *think* it was Lipton. Spies, you know.”

“Spies! What spies?!”

At that moment, a screaming hoard of black dressed spies rampaged into the room, grabbed the Smith and stabbed him repeatedly with their long knives. Then they swept out of the room as quickly as they’d entered.

“Oh, those spies.” I said thoughtfully.

King Arthur looked up calmly from his tea and said, “You know, Patsy, we really must do something about that. I think we must have Knights. Knights of the Round Table. To defend the innocent against the evil powers of the world and bring joy and harmony to a land rife with sorrow.” Swelling music rose up in the background, over which sang the voices of many angels. A shaft of brilliant white light cast on my liege Lord. “Yes, we must have men of great character, known throughout the world as men of honor, grace and fortitude. Men who comfort the mourning, defend the innocent, succor widows and orphans and rescue small kittens from trees.”

He paused, wiping a tear from his cheek. The music faded away and the light diffused.

“A Quest! All of heaven cries out for it! We shall scour all of England for these men! Come Patsy, we must away!”

And thus it began.

******

CASTMEMBERS:

T_Smith, CITIZEN, KILLED by mafia

Anna
Avadaru
blacwolve
celia60
Damander
Erik Slaine
Eruve Nandiriel
Feyd Baron
fugu13
hansenj
Damien
Head Ditch Digger
jamaha
msquared
Narnia
newfoundlogic
pajeba
Raia
Ralphie
rivka
Ryan Hart
Ryuko
sarcasticmuppet
Sopwith
Synesthesia
Troubador
Youth ap Orem
Zevlag
 
Posted by Trogdor the Burninator (Member # 4894) on :
 
Jeniwren, could you please meet me in front of the penalty box?
 
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
Effin heck....

::shrug::

I guess I don't exactly have much luck with Hatrack Mafia.

BTW, Jeni, it was a very Pythonesque way to die. Thanks. [Smile]

[ September 22, 2003, 12:20 PM: Message edited by: T_Smith ]
 
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
 
(noogies ghostly T_Smith)
 
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
 
I'm sorry for you mate.
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Ok so it begins.

I am suggesting that no citizen votes this first day.

I abstain.

msquared
 
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
::shakes ghostly fist::

Avenge me, you dumb butt!
 
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
 
We shall revenge you and kill... Wait a minute, kill who ? [Confused]
 
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
 
;_; Dumb... butt? Of course I'll avenge you!
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
T

I will try, but here is my problem. I have a ghoslty feeling that I may be the next victim.

This is a note to the doctor. I submit myself as a possible person to be saved this night. Half of my immunity is gone and if I succed in preventing a lynching my other half is gone. I suspect that the mafia are mad at me, although that may be my ego talking.

T, be of good cheer. At least you get to sit back and see all the silliness that will now ensue.

msquared
 
Posted by celia60 (Member # 2039) on :
 
t's never going to get to 4000 at this rate. [Frown]

ok, so basically m2's got us in a situation where voting gets us lynched and not voting gets us unknown. hmm.

unknown can't be worse than certain death, can it?

*abstains*
 
Posted by Head Ditch Digger (Member # 5085) on :
 
I still believe that by not voting we give the advantage to the mafia, but I will follow M^2's advice today and:

*Abstain*

(If you are mafia M^2 I will get you, just ask the last people who duped me, oh wait you can't, I took care of them. [Smile] )
 
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
 
Did you mean 6000, celia? O_o Don't worry, he won't slow down his post-whoring if he knows what's good for him! [Mad]

Anyhow, I also abstain.
 
Posted by celia60 (Member # 2039) on :
 
uh, yeah. whatever that next big round # is. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Erik Slaine (Member # 5583) on :
 
He's not dead, he's just pinin'...

I will be back later to vote for someone because we gotta whittle that list down!

I just want to be a little more careful and get some reasoning in before I post my vote. [Wink]
 
Posted by Patsy (Member # 5699) on :
 
btw, Nathan, you've earned immunity for the first round of the next game.
 
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
 
great opener, Patsy. This is gonna be great. For the moment, I will also abstain, but that doesn't mean I won't change my mind by tonight.

[ September 22, 2003, 01:27 PM: Message edited by: sarcasticmuppet ]
 
Posted by Erik Slaine (Member # 5583) on :
 
I won't be able to chat about it tonight, unfortunately, so let me put in my two cents now...

The Mafia will be at that chat.
The Mafia will likely take msquared's position, to throw off suspicion.
A Mafia member might point this out, as well (but there is no way I can convince you that I am not Mafia, unless the police name me and get a negative response.)

Well, now that we're all thoroughly confused.

Patsy--That was a wonderful tribute. I could see Graham Chapman and Terry Gilliam trading those lines! Cudos!
 
Posted by Youth ap Orem (Member # 5582) on :
 
Not Smith! How can I abstain when someone killed smith? I'll abstain for now, but i just wanna see what everyone post before I'm finished for today.
 
Posted by Youth ap Orem (Member # 5582) on :
 
Patsy, can you e-mail me the chat conversation after it's done?
 
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
 
Will there be a special chat room or will it just be on Hatrack Chat?
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
I understand everyones concern. However, I still stand by the belief that this is best for the townies in the long run. Not lynching some one for the first two or three turns is good for the citizens. Of course now that I have clearly made my case, the mafia will seem to support it, since it is obviously good for the citizens.

I expect that when I am finally killed all will realize that I have only the best interest of the town at heart. I am the voice of reason trying to control the mob. Just ask Ryan.

msquared
 
Posted by Erik Slaine (Member # 5583) on :
 
Yeah, I tried that position the last game... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
 
busy day at work, so I won't be able to think about it much until later, but the abstention thing doesn't seem like so hot an idea right now. In games where the classifications of the deceased are not known, it makes sense, but in this game we get the classifications of those killed, and we're going to need all the information we can get to win this game and the only way to get information is when people die. Of course it's best when we lynch mafia members, but if we don't lynch anybody the mafia can just lay low and pick people off.
 
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
 
Still, there's no point in saying, "Let's lynch ****!!! They used improper grammar in &&& post!!!" I'd like to be clearer before we start. Sometimes the whole thing is won in the first couple of rounds, like the last game I played, Bonduville. The townies won that time, but it could easily have been the other way around....
 
Posted by Erik Slaine (Member # 5583) on :
 
Sorry Ryuko. But that was the post I was looking for!

She's a witch! BURN HER!
<--casting vote for Ryuko. [Razz]

[ September 22, 2003, 02:35 PM: Message edited by: Erik Slaine ]
 
Posted by Youth ap Orem (Member # 5582) on :
 
Since someone already voted, I might as well vote also! I vote Msquared, I just don't trust her.

-votes Msquared
 
Posted by Damander (Member # 4439) on :
 
I still think all this not voting stuff is completly lame. Why are we trying to cheat the system? I'm surprised jeniwren hasn't put a smack down on all this. (She probably would if she wasn't so amused by it.) I think the rule should be you die of natuaral causes if you don't vote, not if you don't post. But that's just my opinion. You know, we're never going to find a mafioso if we keep this no lynching thing up; we are all discussing whether or not to vote, instead of who we suspect as mafia....But then again, right now the only person I really want to kill is m2, regardless of what his role is. Too bad he has immunity right now. [Grumble]
 
Posted by Youth ap Orem (Member # 5582) on :
 
Oopss, Msquared still has immunity? Damn, lol umm can I take back my vote?
 
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
 
O_o M^2 has immunity and the only other person on the block is me!?

(seriously reconsidering her abstinent position....)

Also: I hate you Erik Slaine.... [Razz]

[ September 22, 2003, 02:22 PM: Message edited by: Ryuko ]
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Youth

No one has voted to lynch me. You were the first.

I expect to die within a turn or two anyway.

We still have the police who are trying to track down Mafia so the townies are not helpless.

How would you feel if you lynch some one and it is a police or the doctor?

Remeber if you are going to vote to lynch, put your vote in bold so that Jeni, and the rest of the town, can see who you want to string up with no evidence.

msquared
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Damander,
What info do we have to lynch on? I know you don't like they way I am doing this, but it follows the rules. As I said before, it will only work once.

Also I am male. It is not ms. quared. It is my initials MM or m squared.

msquared
 
Posted by Sopwith (Member # 4640) on :
 
Methinks Msquared protests much and speaks of a strategy for all of us good citizens to follow. He's mafia, gotta be, but since he's immune...

Let's hang someone...

I'm feeling oppressed, so how about Nobility? Feyd Baron!

But I'm still thinking Msquared is Mafia! Check and see if he's got an sh** on him!
 
Posted by Erik Slaine (Member # 5583) on :
 
::hangs head::
[Frown]
::leaves thread, very quietly::
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Ok I will come out and announce this to the town.

I am police.

Head Ditch Digger is Mafia.

I do not expect to live past day three.

To the Doctor, if you would not mind, would you please protect me tonight. That will give me one more day to find more mafia before my other police get to take up the slack from my dead body on day three.

For those of you who think I might be mafia trying to live one more day, wait one day and see if Head Ditch Digger is mafia or not. Then make your decsion.

I vote for Head Ditch Digger .

msquared
 
Posted by Youth ap Orem (Member # 5582) on :
 
Ok, I can give Msquared the benefit of the doubt, I vote for Head Ditch Digger also.
 
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
Head Ditch Digger
 
Posted by celia60 (Member # 2039) on :
 
so you went from demanding our obedience in not voting, while asking jeni to make a gf as a fair trade, to demanding our obedience by giving us someone to lynch? oh, and begging for the doc's save?

i have no doubt that HDD will turn out mafia. what i'm not sure on is if that's because you ided him, or because he's the sacrifice you're using to convince us all we can trust you.

did jeni say no to letting you be gf?

i'll vote Head Ditch Digger because he's mafia in either case, but if the real police are out there, i'd advice that they id m2 next. i'd also advise that they don't fall for this ploy to lure them out into the open.
 
Posted by Erik Slaine (Member # 5583) on :
 
Yeah, some of us might have to do other things! Dang RL! I had no idea that I would be able to be on the forum this late, and when I do leave that will be it for the rest of the day.

How 'bout a more timely reveal msquared?
 
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
 
Hmmmm... As long as the evil one thinks HDD is mafia, I'll have to go along with it...

Head Ditch Digger
 
Posted by celia60 (Member # 2039) on :
 
actually, revise what i said. if the real police are out there, don't waste an id on m2, as he's obviously mafia in that case.
 
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
 
I'm still not certain about that, but let's try...
Head Ditch Digger
(Sorry for that. Hum. Just a game, isn't it?)
 
Posted by Head Ditch Digger (Member # 5085) on :
 
Here we go again. I get labled mafia, and everyone jumps on the bandwagon. whoo-hoo, HDD is mafia.

Same old tripe. You know this time I don't have the desire to argue, it didn't help the last two times I played, and I was a townie both times.

So go ahead and keep the tradition, I'll even get the chant going.

"Lynch HDD, Lynch HDD"

Sing it loud, sing it proud. [Wall Bash]
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
People I'm very suspicious of: celia -- fomenting discord and suspicion; Erik -- who voted first and has been acting ever-so-suspiciously; fugu -- I find his logic flawed and suspiciously unlike his usual reasoning; Damander -- I find her reasoning flawed and suspiciously unlike her usual style; Sopwith -- mafioso often select someone to lynch on "whim"s. There are some others I am slightly suspicious of . . . *squinty-eyed*

I trust m², guardedly. So, I vote for Head Ditch Digger.

Oh, and jeniwren/Patsy, I adored the Pythonesqueness of it all. [Hat] And look forward to seeing what else you have in store for us.
 
Posted by Erik Slaine (Member # 5583) on :
 
Well I'm with you HDD! Hey, if you changed your name to Head Grave Digger then you could make some money off of this!
 
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
 
Aww... Poor HDD... Well, if it makes you feel any better, in the event you're a good ol' townie, we'll know to lynch MM next...
 
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
 
*still does not quite get the rules yet, but will learn as she goes along*
 
Posted by Head Ditch Digger (Member # 5085) on :
 
Erik - a grave is but a short ditch.

You all are making a "grave" mistake.
 
Posted by celia60 (Member # 2039) on :
 
rivka, it's a game of suspicion. i just don't want us all to blindly follow someone.
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Granted, celia. And I am suspicious of you.

Interesting that you get defensive.
 
Posted by pajeba (Member # 5656) on :
 
hmm, I think I will vote Head Ditch Digger, at the risk of jumping on the band wagon. msquared has some solid points, and who would fake being police? they would just die the next day if they were lying.

Oh, and what goes on at Town Meetings? I don't think I will be able to make the one tonight.
 
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
 
Just curious, why does M2 have immunity?

I'm voting for Erik Slaine, because he cast the first stone and all.

I think m2 is being a bit tricksey. Why would he urge us not to vote if he was police and could lead us to a correct lynching? It doesn't make any sense.

quote:
For those of you who think I might be mafia trying to live one more day, wait one day and see if Head Ditch Digger is mafia or not. Then make your decsion.
There was no suspicion towards M2 to begin with, so why would he be "trying to live one more day," mafia or no? This also doesn't make any sense. He came out as a policeman and the doctor will probably feel inclined towards saving him from a whacking because of it, but only celia has raised suspicion against him so far.

Unfortunately, most of my argument depends on whether or not HDD is dirty. If he is, I will buy that M2 is not mafia, because it doesn't really make sense for him to post HDD as a scapegoat. I've tried to imagine a game where the mafia turnes on one of their own, and I'm not convinced it can be used effectively.

[ September 22, 2003, 04:52 PM: Message edited by: sarcasticmuppet ]
 
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
 
*abstains*... for the time being...
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
M² had first-day immunity because he got knocked off first day last game.

And while I was slightly suspicious of sarcasticmuppet previously, I am VERY suspicious now.

*sighs* And, sorry kiddo, but rather suspicious of Raia now too.

Hmm. The doc is likely to protect m² today, and I'm being mouthy. I'm gonna get snuffed tomorrow, aren't I. [Angst]

[ September 22, 2003, 04:58 PM: Message edited by: rivka ]
 
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
 
*looks suspiciously at rivka*
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
What's weird is I'm going to abstain because of Msquared.
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
A couple of things.

I have not asked the other police to identify themselves yet. There is no need for them to. I am asking the doctor to save me so that I can stay alive one more day and ask one more question.

I am doing exactly what I said should be done.

If the police do not name a mafia, then the townies should not vote. Once I found out who the mafia was, HDD, then I announced it and am asking people to lynch him.

As far as I know the doctor can not save someone from lynching, only the mafia. If the mafia try and kill me tonight then the doctor could save me. Tomorrow, when we see that HDD is mafia, I will not get lynched. The mafia will kill me on day three. Hopefully another of my suspects will be idenified as mafia and two will be gone.

I have but one life to give to my town.
I feel very Gary Cooperish.

msquared
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Doctor,

If you don't mind could you e-mail me at msquaredmafia@hotmail.com?

I have something to discuss with you.

I understand why you may not want to contact me, as at this point you have no proof that I am not mafia. However, if you feel that it is a good risk please do.

msquared
 
Posted by Head Ditch Digger (Member # 5085) on :
 
M^2, you may have only one life, but you're taking me with you. Tomorrow, everyone will see how much you played them.

And pulling the doctor's vote for yourself tonight, knowing full well that the mafia would not vote for one of their own. cunning, sir. I tip my hat to you

[Hat]
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
Have people already forgotten the John Keats maneuver?
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
Or are you both playing us?
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
HDD,

As my wife, mcubed, would tell you I am not that smart. I do not know if the doctor will save me. I understand that until the lynching tomorrow my veracity will not be proved. It might be to late by then. Such is the life of a policeman. My duty is to serve and protect, and if I can take one of the vile mafia with me, then I will sleep the eternal sleep easier. Just remember to shine my star and bury with my boots on.

msquared
 
Posted by Head Ditch Digger (Member # 5085) on :
 
Anyone who can use the word "veracity" correctly is smart enough.

Besides, no one's wife believes they are smart enough to do anything but take out the garbage. So using your wife as evidence of you ignorance, doesn't float.
 
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
 
Msquared, you still haven't told why you wanted us to abstain from the only power the citizens have. I genuinely don't understand why you didn't want us to lynch tonight.
 
Posted by celia60 (Member # 2039) on :
 
rivka, i was trying to address you're concerns about my behavior, as stated in the post i was answering. you should be suspicious of me and of everyone else. i don't know you well enough to know if that was obvious to you, so i addressed it.

m2 and others, HDD's guilt would not prove m2's innocence conclusively, but HDD's innocence would prove m2's guilt. tom is correct. am i the only one familiar with the acclaimed 'keats manover'? HDD may indeed be the sacrifice the mafia uses to gain the trust of the townies. after all, if we all just follow m2 blindly, tomorrow he'll announce that the person asked was a citizen and we shouldn't vote. if he's a cop, he's being honest. if he's mafia, he's guaranteeing that his cohorts are safe from lynching. he cannot tell us to lynch an actual townie as we would then know he was lying. he might be setting us up to be picked off, while telling us it's in our best interests.

does that seem possible to anyone else?
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Actually, sm, he has. Repeatedly.

Last game.

More recently.
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Celia, when you get to know me better, you will realize that I am often suspicious of others.

Only in games like mafia do I get to give that free rein. [Evil]

But I do really find it interesting that rather than letting it slide, you are still on the defensive.

I do agree that m² could be mafia, and sacrificing HDD. That's why I only trust him guardedly.

However, isn't it interesting that people I consider suspicious anyway are all yelping "mafia"! about m²?
 
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
 
Yes, but M2 said "Let's not vote tonight. I'm going to be morally upright and abstain" and then two hours later he says "Nevermind, let's lynch HDD. Oh by the way, I'm a cop" It doesn't make any sense that M2, as a policeman, would suggest a non-vote tonight if he was hoping to persuade us toward the lynching of an actual mafioso.
 
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
 
It makes perfect sense to me, not that I don't think MM couldn't still be mafia... But given that he is the police, he takes this stance on principle, not expecting the person he's checked to come up mafia, and then when they do, he can't just reverse his position and say, "Aw screw all that, let's just kill HDD..." so he has to tell us he's the police. If the person had come up townie, then he'd probably continue with his no-vote stance, given that he's the policeman of course. (Edit: Or rather A policeman)

It doesn't make any sense to me for him to take such a stance and then switch from it if he IS mafia. That would just garner uneccessary suspicion, which is THE thing to avoid during this game.

[ September 22, 2003, 06:43 PM: Message edited by: Ryuko ]
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
I agree 100% with Ryuko.

Hmm, that in and of itself seems suspicious!

*eyes Ryuko warily*
 
Posted by Damander (Member # 4439) on :
 
Okay, M2, first you're asking us not to vote, and now you come out and say you're a policeman and have already IDed a mafioso?? I'm sorry, but didn't the police have to put in their guess before 10AM hatrack time just like the mafia and doctor, and wouldn't therefore jeniwren be online to answer your email when she is posting at the start of the "day"?? Hmmm?

I don't know what to think about you, but I am tempted to think you are mafia because you are trying very hard to manipulate the townies. If HDD gets lynched and it turns out he is mafia, that does not credit you as police; this could very well be a clever mafia tactic. On the other hand, you could be a police who truly didn't get the answer back until later and who is just trying very hard to bend the rules to his liking. Either way, I don't like your way of playing.

Just to spite you, I'm going to abstain from voting. [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by hansenj (Member # 4034) on :
 
Wow...the things you miss while you're in class! I must say that I am very confused. On the one hand, I'm tempted to be suspicious of all these goings on. And on the other hand, I kinda just feel like voting for Head Ditch Digger along with everyone else. Decisions, decisions.

Hmm...well for now I'll put in a Head Ditch Digger. I can always change it later, if there are any developments. [Evil]

Edit: I agree, Ryuko.

[ September 22, 2003, 06:55 PM: Message edited by: hansenj ]
 
Posted by Damander (Member # 4439) on :
 
Hmmm, I just read Ryuko's last post, and he has a point. Maybe I need to rethink some things. [Confused]

Edit to add: Looks like HDD is gonna get lynched whether I vote for him or not, but I'm still going to abstain from voting, just to spite m2. [Big Grin]

[ September 22, 2003, 06:59 PM: Message edited by: Damander ]
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Wow, Damander! The lady doth protest a whole heck of a lot! And you know perfectly well that sometimes jeniwren doesn't happen to be online just at the moment a cop queries about a townie.

Oh, and Ryuko is a girl. [Wink]
 
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
 
^_^ Yes. I am.
 
Posted by Damander (Member # 4439) on :
 
Oops, sorry Ryuko! [Embarrassed]

Yes, I know from my past experience as police that she's not always online, but we put in our guess anytime during the day. The new deadline is before jeniwren starts the new day though, therefore she would be able to check email then and send out replies.

I do believe that m2 is police; I'm just curious why he changed his position halfway through the day.

[ September 22, 2003, 07:08 PM: Message edited by: Damander ]
 
Posted by Feyd Baron (Member # 1407) on :
 
I'm a sheep, and I was in class all day, so I missed out. Sorry HDD, I know we have history an all in past games, but...

My vote is for HDD

Feyd Baron, DoC
 
Posted by Head Ditch Digger (Member # 5085) on :
 
Etu, feyd. [Frown]
 
Posted by celia60 (Member # 2039) on :
 
Ryuko et al. please note that he didn't claim to be a cop until a few people started voting, instead of listening to him and abstaining.

the votes before his announcement were m2, ryuko and feyd, correct? is he trying to save one of these by offering HDD? does HDD have something on his plate this week that makes him more expendable than one of the ones voted against?

i am not certain that he is mafia, i only see it as a possibility and want to urge caution against following blindly what he tells us tomorrow and the next day.
 
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
 
It seems to me that the only way we can be sure about MM is if he turns up a mafia tomorrow too. However, I'm going to give him the benefit of a doubt, 'cause even if he is playing us, we have a 2/3 chance of killing a mafia (from what I understand).

And the suspicious side of me says that HDD is prostesting his innocence a bit too much. [Evil]

I vote for Head Ditch Digger
 
Posted by Head Ditch Digger (Member # 5085) on :
 
Ah, blacky, I always scream innocence, go back and look at my last two games. I always argue that I was innocent, and was right, I will add.
 
Posted by Troubadour (Member # 83) on :
 
I guess we'll find out in a few hours.

head ditch digger
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
I put my request in today, this morning, and got the answer back early this afternoon.

Jeni is on the West Coast and I am on the east. The time lag makes a difference.

I have been consistent with my thoughts and actions. I said to not vote until a police came forward with a name. As soon as I got a name I came forward and made myself a target.

Do what you will, but the good people of this town know that I have their best interest at heart.

msquared
 
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
 
Msquared didn't say outright that he was a cop, but he was alluding to the fact that he might not make it through day three...

quote:
T

I will try, but here is my problem. I have a ghoslty feeling that I may be the next victim.

This is a note to the doctor. I submit myself as a possible person to be saved this night. Half of my immunity is gone and if I succed in preventing a lynching my other half is gone. I suspect that the mafia are mad at me, although that may be my ego talking.

T, be of good cheer. At least you get to sit back and see all the silliness that will now ensue.

msquared

and this:

quote:
understand everyones concern. However, I still stand by the belief that this is best for the townies in the long run. Not lynching some one for the first two or three turns is good for the citizens. Of course now that I have clearly made my case, the mafia will seem to support it, since it is obviously good for the citizens.

I expect that when I am finally killed all will realize that I have only the best interest of the town at heart. I am the voice of reason trying to control the mob. Just ask Ryan.

msquared

(emphasis mine)

He's been playing the tragic hero from the beginning when there was no reason to. This and the fact that he begged the doctor to email him makes me think he's tricksey.

But, since the other policemen haven't spoken up yet, I'm slightly inclined to take M2's word. If MsquaredCop! is the correct assessment, then they already have this worked out how M2 said. If not, then they have their own strategy that I don't want to mess with.

[ September 22, 2003, 07:37 PM: Message edited by: sarcasticmuppet ]
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
But the odds have caught up and now you are Mafia. There's no doubt, the only question is whether m2 is also Mafia.

EDIT: That was directed at HDD.

[ September 22, 2003, 07:40 PM: Message edited by: newfoundlogic ]
 
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
 
me?
 
Posted by Ryan Hart (Member # 5513) on :
 
::slaps forhead::

Ok how about... sarcasticmuppet

I've got my eye on you.

[ September 22, 2003, 07:48 PM: Message edited by: Ryan Hart ]
 
Posted by Youth ap Orem (Member # 5582) on :
 
Ryan I think he's immune the first round.

[ September 22, 2003, 07:45 PM: Message edited by: Youth ap Orem ]
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Ryan

You can not vote for me, I am immune.

I was making those statements about my dying becuase I suspect that the mafia did not like the plan I was putting forth. If I was dead they would have an easier time convicing townies to lynch someone instead of making the mafia do all the dirty work. I just know that since I am out in the open as police my days are numbered. I will not see the end of the game alive. I am a tragic hero, all the cops are. We are here to sacrifice ourselves for the good of the town.

msquared
 
Posted by Patsy (Member # 5699) on :
 
Ryan is welcome to vote for whoever he likes. I just won't actually kill msquared if he wins...er, loses the lynch vote. Win or lose, he doesn't die today.
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
sm, indeed m² has been "playing the tragic hero from the beginning" -- but I disagree that there was no reason for him to do so.

As a cop, he knows he has a target painted on his back (I recall the feeling well). This was likely to come through even before he admitted his cop-ness. [Wink]

And sm, I repeat:
quote:
However, isn't it interesting that people I consider suspicious anyway are all yelping "mafia"! about m²?


[ September 22, 2003, 08:22 PM: Message edited by: rivka ]
 
Posted by Damander (Member # 4439) on :
 
M2, that still doesn't add up. I know all about time differences, I'm not dumb. What I'm saying is that if you sent in your accusatory guess on time (and we are running on Hatrack, eastern time), then Jeniwren would have had the guess before she wrote up the day's kill. Therefore, she would have been able to send you your response about the same time as she posted (about 12 noon). But you maintained your no voting status until about 2:30. This is what I don't understand. Please explain your reasoning for this, or a more viable reason for getting the answer late than time zones.

After all, if you are police, you have nothing to hide from us townies. And we need to be able to trust you if you put forth someone tomorrow too. All I'm trying to do is make you more credible in our eyes.
 
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
 
Damander, there is life outside Hatrack. I wouldn't have believed it, once upon a time, but since then I've learned. Maybe MM was unable to check his mail until such time as around 2:00 HST?
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Except Ryuko, he was posting here -- so that won't fly.
 
Posted by Youth ap Orem (Member # 5582) on :
 
Maybe, he forgot his password to his e-mail and it took him a couple hours to get it all fixed.(yeah right..)
Mwahaha, Msquared is going down next round!
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Uhm

I have a life? I am not on line 24/7?

You can believe what you want. I know that in a few days I will be vindicated. I have nothing to hide now. Other than the identity of my fellow police. I should say that we have about three other people that we susupect and have them on our list to check out in the next few days.

msquared
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Actually, Youth, while I don't believe that he was offline (or couldn't access his email), I do believe that m² is a cop.

[ September 22, 2003, 08:35 PM: Message edited by: rivka ]
 
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
 
Well, online or no, there are some times when you just space checking your email... I don't think we should accuse MM because he has a life outside of Hatrack...
 
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
 
Dude. I'm immune the first day, too!

Oh, sweet sweet day of mafia. You will most assuredly be my last, as no one can resist lynching/killing the Raphster.

btw - I'm not sure who I'm voting for, but Head Ditch Digger sounds about right. I mean, he's got the shifty eyes.

[ September 22, 2003, 09:25 PM: Message edited by: Ralphie ]
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
I just checked the history.

The story was posted at 12:13.

My fist post was 12:20.
I posted again at 12:20,12:25, 1:55, 2:24, 2:27 and made my announcement at 2:35. The record I have shows that Jeni sent her e-mail to me at 1:00PM my time. I did not get it until later. I use Hotmail and there are times where it takes a while for it to deliver mail, if I can even get on. There have been many times where I get a "server busy" message when I try and log on.

I did not have an answer before the story was posted.

msquared
 
Posted by Damander (Member # 4439) on :
 
To echo rivka: you were posting: you had access to internet and you were using it. I think you are putting your foot in your mouth. Either way, I'm going to drop the subject and give you the benefit of the doubt. For now. [Razz]
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
I had access and I was using it. Jeni sent it to me right after my 1:55 ET post. I did not get back on until 2:24. It took me about 5 minutes to get caught up on the post and get into Hotmail. I am on dial up.

I think you are grasping at straws here.

msquared
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Ok, so let's look at m²'s post times, shall we?

Right after jeniwren posted the kill (12:20 and 12:25). He could easily not have heard from jeniwren yet. Then not again for over 90 minutes (ooh, he has one of those RL thingies, doesn't he???). His 1:55 post almost sounds like he's thinking about admitting to cop-dom. His 2:25 and 2:27 posts give me a little pause. Did he know about HDD, but hesitate to contradict what he'd already said? Was he antsy-ly waiting to hear from jeniwren?

Or was he really mafia? I admit it is a possibility -- but I still think it's the least likely one.

Now having read posts from while I was writing this: Damander, cease putting words in my mouth! The more you do so, the more certain I am that you are mafia and m² is not.
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Come on Ralphie

You are my love slave and my minion, you know that deep in your heart. I have told you who to vote for.

msquared
 
Posted by Troubadour (Member # 83) on :
 
If MM isn't a cop, wouldn't claiming he was bring him instantly under the scrutiny of the real cops?

That's too dangerous a play to make for a Mafia this early in the game. Mafia do not draw attention to themselves like that.

I'm trusting MM as a cop at this point.

But then, I also think HDD is Mafia, so maybe it's only 'cause we agree.
 
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
 
quote:
And sm, I repeat:

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
However, isn't it interesting that people I consider suspicious anyway are all yelping "mafia"! about m²?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

You're darned right I'm suspicious of M2, but I have admitted and continue to admit that my arguments are not foolproof. I think it's weird that M2, as a cop, would discourage lynching and not two hours later decide to off HDD. Maybe Ryuko's right, and M2 decided to try and delay voting before he knew if HDD was dirty.

I also know most of my arguments depend on HDD's innocence. I have neither voted for him nor argued against voting for him, but if he turns out to be innocent, I will vote M2 tomorrow. If he's dirty, then I'll have to start from square one tomorrow, because I still don't know for sure.
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Ok, Damander feels that I have falsely accused her of putting words in my mouth. So let me rephrase.

I believe she is taking my skepticism, and turning it into full-blown accusation. So it's not that she's putting words in my mouth -- that was uncalled for on my part, and I apologize -- it's that she's putting a mafia-suspicious spin on them.
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Ok, sm, fair enough. We'll wait and see whether HDD turns out to really be mafia or not.
 
Posted by pajeba (Member # 5656) on :
 
Hey, is the town meeting totally over by now? would it be in the Hatrack Chat or somewhere else?
 
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
 
Feyd, Ryuko, I, and others are in Hatrack Chat right now. Rivka said the Hatrack Mafia chat's been empty.
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Was there one? I checked Hatrack Aim Chat several times, and I've been in regular Hatrack Chat.

Never saw anything that looked like an actual mafia-related chat. [Dont Know]

[ September 22, 2003, 10:19 PM: Message edited by: rivka ]
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
Can we just use Parachat for now on?
 
Posted by Troubadour (Member # 83) on :
 
nah, no-one uses parachat....
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
But we all can use Parachat, not all of us can use AIM.
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
I don't use AIM or the other chats. I have tried to use Parachat and it works on my system. I would like to use that, but think I won't have a whole lot of need for it after tomorrow.

msquared
 
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
 
I can't use parachat. My internet access is blocked in certain ports for virus protection... [Grumble]
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
How about some brain storming then. There's gotta be something that we can all use.
 
Posted by Avadaru (Member # 3026) on :
 
Hmm....I'm abstaining from voting tonight....Maybe next time I'll actually be able to make one of the meetings.
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
Is there a limit to how many people can die of natural causes in one day?
 
Posted by jehovoid (Member # 2014) on :
 
I suspect that alot of people can die in one day (or at least be mortally wounded) when there's a plague going around.
 
Posted by Damander (Member # 4439) on :
 
Disclaimer: Okay, i didn't realize that jeniwren had changed the rules from what she originally said. I thought the police had to have their guess in by 10 hatrack time just like the doctor and mafia, but in re-reading the rules I see that this is not so. Um, m2 you could have easily noticed this fallacy in my thinking and told me that you don't have that deadline. So thanks for keeping me frustrated all day long instead, just to spite me. [Wink]

Second Disclaimer: I am sick with a terrible head cold and have not been thinking clearly all day. (Just ask Jennie). Otherwise I might have thought to look in the rules before I posted all this stuff. Sheesh.

Oh, and Rivka? I wasn't accusing m2, I was merely trying to understand and get better info to see if he really could be trusted, that's all.

Don't worry, I'll keep my big mouth shut tomorrow and just be a lowly citizen that does what they're told.
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
*sighs*

Ok, I think I need to exile myself and my big mouth over here.

Sorry, Damander. I got carried away -- again. [Wall Bash]
 
Posted by Damander (Member # 4439) on :
 
*pats rivka on the back*

Please, no more of this [Wall Bash] , you might start thinking like me.... [Razz]
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Hey, I've been banging my head on relatively unyielding surfaces for years. [Wink]

Doesn't seem to have done . . .

.

.

.

Um, did you say something?
 
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
Policepersons, please take a close look at who cried "VOTE! VOTE!" at the beginning of the game...

...and take a closer look at who ended up NOT voting. Hm. This is getting good and it makes much sense.
 
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
 
Sorry to say something that hasn't exactly anything to see with mafia, but I just would like to tell people who do not have AIM that they can download a very usefull freeware, trillian, which allows you to use AIM, MSN, yahoo messenger, ICQ, IRC and I may have forgotten one. To download here : http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/downloads/
After that you just have to follow the instructions to create yourself an AIM account. [Smile]
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Don't worry, we are keeping an eye on things.

We have at least 4 suspects that we will be checking on in the days to come. I must warn the townies however that the next police office will not come forward until they have at least two mafia names.

msquared(who had gotten his things in order and made out his will)
 
Posted by Erik Slaine (Member # 5583) on :
 
Here's my problem with you "officer".

You insist on revealing after I vote.
You insist on chatting when I'm not around.

Then you whine that people don't listen to you.

Post your reveal in a timely manner this morning or I will vote for whomever I feel. [Smile]

Edit: Always gettin hassled by "The Man". [Grumble]

[ September 23, 2003, 09:25 AM: Message edited by: Erik Slaine ]
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Erik

You can change your vote. I did. I originally abstained. Then, when I had info from jeni I changed my vote. I am sorry that you are not around when I am chatting. If you mean on AIM or Parachat, I have actually not done any of that. I can run parachat, but no one has ever been on it when I have been there. If you would send me your schedule I will gladly talk when you are around.

When have I been whining that people are not listening to me? Have I hasseled any one about voting before I made my accusation? NO. Have I hasseled anyone about voting for someone other than the person I have accused? NO. Have I complained about people abstaining when I have accused someone? NO.

The only people whinning are HDD, which is to be expected, and some others who seem to have fuzzy reasons as to why they oppose what I have put forth. They argue about minutes when there are hours to decide. They claim that I change my mind after some people have voted. I have admitted to that and given what I think is a good reason to change my mind, one that is consistent with what I have proposed since before this game started.

In a few hours the truth will be known.

And the guilty will be quaking, because even if I die, it will just cement what I have said. And if I don't die, I will still be a thorn in thier side.

msquared(who realizes just how messianic that sounded and is a little bothered by it.)
 
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
Erik. I'm voting on the thread evidence alone. I don't have time to be in chat either and I don't expect people to wait around. The rules are the vote should be in before 9pm pacific. Everyone can change their vote up til that time.

msquared, if it bothers you, you can erase it... [Wink]

[ September 23, 2003, 11:08 AM: Message edited by: Narnia ]
 
Posted by Erik Slaine (Member # 5583) on :
 
LOL. Thanks msquared. (but you did hassle me in my Hitler thread! [Razz] )
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
A whole different world. [Smile]

msquared
 


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