Its true. Whenever something happens, people blame the muslim countries. Just because some of us are violent for their religion doesnt mean we all are. Why not blame the christians because of the KKK? They do the same things, only they dont get the bad press. It would be equally unfair.Why does it always have to be us?
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
There are some real muslims here that aren't going to be very happy with you, I don't think.
Posted by Nick (Member # 4311) on :
EDIT: Nevermind. kacard, I'm begging you to delete/close this thread because it will get out of hand once more members are online.
[ October 13, 2003, 02:24 PM: Message edited by: Nick ]
Posted by IrishRage (Member # 5792) on :
Why is it that you people do not believ that I fallower of the islamic faith?
Allah hu kareem
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I don't think true believers are so flippant about their faith, and they don't wear it as an attention-getter.
Posted by Erik Slaine (Member # 5583) on :
I don't see what could be offensive with the question. Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Kat and Nick, Am I missing something from another thread?
Posted by Nick (Member # 4311) on :
quote: I don't see what could be offensive with the question.
Well, the thing is, I don't really have a problem, but I could understand if it made people really angry.
Posted by IrishRage (Member # 5792) on :
I dont wear it as a "attention getter" i am askiing a serious and smple question, every terrorist movie and news report posts all muslims as bad and evil bound radicals.
Posted by Sopwith (Member # 4640) on :
Actually, I might try and field this.
Why do folks blame Muslim countries?
The answer lies somewhat in the question. Folks are tending to blame the countries, not the Muslims. For example, I believe that the Sudan has a long history of atrocities and slavery that exists to this day. I blame the country, and more specifically, those in power there, rather than the fact that a good portion of their population for being Muslim.
Qaddafi, for example, wrapped himself in the Muslim faith, but apparently received little attention from the vast Muslim faithful because of his disingenuous use of a long-standing religion. He attempted to use the faith as a rallying cry for some very non-Muslim ideals.
Osama bin Laden has done the same. His rhetoric, his methods and his actions don't reflect the Muslim faith or the faithful. They reflect a very small faction within the Muslim faith, one that has found themselves distanced from their brethren by their own actions.
Please, understand, I believe that what has happened recently, and in the past 30 years or so, has been an attempt to create a real and true Holy War. Luckily, cooler and wiser heads have often prevailed to show that these aren't wars of God, but of simple human beings, beings made of clay.
Posted by IrishRage (Member # 5792) on :
Thank you, This is why I started this thread, I wanted people like you. Intelligent people not here to argues but to discuss. I am pleased that you have joined this thread, and I belive that you have a very valid point.
Posted by Erik Slaine (Member # 5583) on :
After looking around at other posts by the author, I think that I understand now.
The question may be valid, however.
Posted by Sopwith (Member # 4640) on :
Trust me, I'm apt to argue as well.
Posted by IrishRage (Member # 5792) on :
I meant pointless unintelligent arguement, but I am pleased to have debators in the mix.
Posted by IrishRage (Member # 5792) on :
I have recieved much grief and anger over this question that I have posted. I will know explain my reasoning. The only reason I posted this is because i recently watched a series of movies that my friends told me were very good. Siege, Executive Decision and so on. I was struck by the amount of persecution placed upon muslims in thse movies, I have yet to see a terrorist movie besides Patriot Games that did not involve Islamic terrorists, I was just asking to opinion of others on this matter.
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
The reason that we jump to attack you is because the question is too ripe for stupid senseless arguments.
The question itself is weak because it is so broad.
Not Everybody blames muslims. I don't.
Nobody blames Muslims for everything. It rained Saturday. Nobody blamed the Muslim, or even the Islamic extremists for it.
The problem is that the Muslim Extremits that attack the West, the terrorists, etc, claim to be doing it for all Muslims everywhere. They blame everyone who is not Muslim for all their problems, and then feel free to kill anyone they choose. Then they follow it up with rhetoric that basically states, "we are defending all Islam. All Islam unite."
Those hurt in the attacks hear the phrase "All Islam" and reflexively attack all Muslims verbally.
It is not, however, a phenomenon just related to Muslims. The same thing happens with Christians. When one ultra-conservative Christian says or does something stupid, they will claim they are acting for Christ, and defending Christianity. Everyone starts talking about the "Stupid Christians", which is not fair, and exactly what the fanatics want.
The Muslim and Christian fanatics want the rest of the world to attack them. That way they can rally all their believers together and lead them.
The same goes for the White Supremisists, the Black Supremisists, and every other "lunatic fringe" out there.
The Idiots Guide to Leadership. Take a small group of ideologues. Do something stupid, the bigger and more newsworthy the better. Wait for the backlash that will attack others associated with your ideas. This pushes them into your camp. Your followers grow.
Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.
That is why they drive suicide cars in Iraq, to get the US Soldier to retaliate indiscrimmenatorilly, so that new followers will be created.
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
Other--Non-Arabic Terrorist Movies:
Die Hard: The terrorists are German Socialists or something. (OK, they are theives in terror clothing. But they are German theives)
The Jackal: Again, German or Italian terrorist. That is the case for the orginal movie. I don't know about recent ones.
The Last James Bond Movie: Korean Terrorists
Posted by IrishRage (Member # 5792) on :
A good point raven. But I wouldnt count those as terrorist, thieves, assasins, and world domination have their own category of films, I meant those specifically about terrosist acts and reasons. But still a good solid point.
Posted by Sopwith (Member # 4640) on :
A Prayer for the Dying Posted by IrishRage (Member # 5792) on :
A prayer for the dying? I don think that i have ever heard of that one. What is it about. And a little warning, If people start getting to riled when they get home from school, I will kill this thread to stop contraversy form ruining the hatrack experience.
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
The Crying Game
Posted by Frisco (Member # 3765) on :
Passenger 57 Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
Ender's Game. Posted by Frisco (Member # 3765) on :
Speed 2
Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
Pee Wee's Big Adventure
Posted by Rasputin (Member # 5409) on :
Anastasia, is that you? I told your momma to put the fear of God in you, but she didn't listen. She spoiled you. Now you've turned your back on Russion Orthodoxy and become an infidelic heathen.
It's not too late to repent!! Posted by Rasputin (Member # 5409) on :
IrishFraud-- Dude, its an Irish film. Bwhahahahahahaa
[ October 13, 2003, 04:06 PM: Message edited by: Rasputin ]
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
Movies:
I wonder how much of it is pure marketing.
% of muslim's in the US v.s. % of Irish and Irish descendants in the US. Not many people want to see thier kin as the bad guys.
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
I remember after 9/11 there was this huge PR movement on behalf of the Muslim communty to stop hate crimes and such. I thought it was pretty interesting. I also read something on Beliefnet that was along the lines of "why isn't someone in the Islamic religious hierarchy condemning the Sept. 11 attack?" and reading that there really isn't a defined heirarchy like there is for other churches. I learned about Imams and Caliphs in my MESA class, but I don't know if there are any in modern Islam.
In my opinion, I think anti-muslim feeling is, at it's heart, a form of racism.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
"I learned about Imams and Caliphs in my MESA class, but I don't know if there are any in modern Islam."
There are leaders who call themselves Imams, and even a few people who've been arrogant enough to declare themselves Caliph, but there's no central Islamic authority comparable to, say, the Pope or the Universal House of Justice.
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
exactly. Posted by Nick (Member # 4311) on :
quote: The answer lies somewhat in the question. Folks are tending to blame the countries, not the Muslims. For example, I believe that the Sudan has a long history of atrocities and slavery that exists to this day. I blame the country, and more specifically, those in power there, rather than the fact that a good portion of their population for being Muslim.
Sopwith said this IrishRage, and I agree with it. Do you want to know why people got mad at your question? It's because people DON'T blame Muslims, they blame terrorists, they blame countries, they blame the evil people who run some of the countries that are responsible for some the terrorism of the world. So, by saying we all blame Muslims instead of groups of terrorists, you really bothered some people. It's your choice of wording. (unless you actually think that people really do blame all Muslims for terrorism ect. and that would make you extremely naive)
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