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Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
 
I know I shouldn't read the Trib, but Kilmer doubtful to portray Joseph Smith

How does the actor rank?

Looks: Kilmer is definitely cute

Talent: I'll never be free of the memory of him shouting "I'm Batman" at the circus, and no one could hear.
 
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 
I'm torn between Jake Lloyd and Halley Joel Osmet. But one of them, definitely.
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
*snicker*

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Christian Bale?
 
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
 
[ROFL] Noemon.

[ October 30, 2003, 03:13 PM: Message edited by: sarcasticmuppet ]
 
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
 
I kind of like Alan Rickman. He's not a puppy. Gabriel Byrne. Any of the villians from the Die Hard movies. Which I didn't see, so I hope it doesn't turn out the third one was Sting or something.
 
Posted by porcelain girl (Member # 1080) on :
 
kat-- he was the first person to spring to mind for me, as well.

mild mannered mormon prophet by day, oddly dressed vigilante by night...
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
I don't understand this whole chiseled girly-boy thing. Why would anyone think Joseph Smith was a rock star?
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
Charisma.

There's no way he didn't have charisma.
 
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
 
I also considered Rupert Everett and Keanu Reeves. If sexual preference of the actor is no concern. Given Kilmer's other roles, I'm sure Dutcher is only interested in artistic merits, though Miller as producer might have more qualms. Jeremy Northam looks more like Smith, but he's too serious.
 
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
 
Christian Bale could do it. I mean, I think he could pull it off.

I was going to be facetious and say "Ewan McGregor" just to hack people off and remain true to my persona, but I honestly cannot imagine that. Though I would probably go see it anyway.

TOM! Shush. It's because we Like the chisled girly-men!
 
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
 
I cannot for the life of me figure out what Christian Bale looks like. I see pictures of him, but would not be able to pick him out of a lineup.
 
Posted by Frisco (Member # 3765) on :
 
I'm hoping they get Ben and J-Lo to play Joe and Emma.
 
Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
 
Christian Bale already played Jesus. I think actors should try to avoid playing more than 1 religious figure in their careers.

quote:
Any of the villians from the Die Hard movies.
Sadly, Alexander Godunov died in 1995. He wouldn't have made a good Joseph Smith anyway, considering that he was a blonde Russian ballet dancer.

Colin Farrell? Now that guy has charisma. And he's a good actor.
 
Posted by Occasional (Member # 5860) on :
 
Brandon Frasier. The only thing missing is acting ability, but he is a large and tall enough fellow.

Carrie-ann Moss would make a good Emma I think. She seems tough, but attractive.

As for playing more than one religious figure, I would say Charlton Heston already did that. He even played Brigham Young once in a recent, but not that great, television movie.

[ October 30, 2003, 07:26 PM: Message edited by: Occasional ]
 
Posted by kwsni (Member # 1831) on :
 
he's also such a goober no one would take him seriously the whole movie.

Ben Browder?

Ni!
 
Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
 
I think Brendan Fraser is a brilliant actor - did you see Gods and Monsters or The Quiet American?
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
"Carrie-ann Moss would make a good Emma I think. She seems tough, but attractive."

Except Carrie-Ann Moss would, I believe, beat the crap out of "Joseph" the first time he mentioned that whole "extra wife" idea.
 
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
 
John Cusack?
 
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
 
Who's Emma? [Blushing] [Dont Know]
 
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
 
Jack Black, of course.
 
Posted by asQmh (Member # 4590) on :
 
No way. Christopher Walken, all the way.

Q.
 
Posted by Occasional (Member # 5860) on :
 
Pictures for comparison purposes:

http://joseph-smith.net/jsphsgfrmd2.jpg

http://my.tele2.ee/lds/smith.jpg

The Contenders so far:

Christian Bale

Brendon Fraser

Val Kilmer

Jeremy Northam

Rupert Everett

Keanu Reeves

Ewin McGregor

Colin Ferill

Ben Browder

John Cusack

Jason Patric

and the alternative casting list:

Jack Black

Haley Joel Osment

Jake Lloyd

Christopher Walken

Chris Rock

"Except Carrie-Ann Moss would, I believe, beat the crap out of "Joseph" the first time he mentioned that whole "extra wife" idea."

Considering Emma Smith's reactions, it wouldn't be too far from the truth.

[ October 30, 2003, 09:48 PM: Message edited by: Occasional ]
 
Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
 
I don't think Val Kilmer would look right at all.

In my opinion, the best (of the contenders mentioned so far) would be Clin Farrill.

I second the nomination of Carrie Ann Moss for Emma (Joseph's wife). I think she would be great!
 
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
 
Er...Joseph Smith looks awfully, uh, refined.
 
Posted by Amka (Member # 690) on :
 
Well, of course. It was a portrait, after all. I doubt he wore his work clothes.
 
Posted by JonnyNotSoBravo (Member # 5715) on :
 
Samuel L. Jackson! Did you hear the biblical lines he spouted in Pulp Fiction? The dude is righteous!
 
Posted by Lalo (Member # 3772) on :
 
Heh. I'd love to see the founder of the Mormon religion be black, Johnny, but somehow I don't think it'll catch on.

[ October 31, 2003, 01:57 AM: Message edited by: Lalo ]
 
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
 
Colin Farrell and Christian Bale are kind of indistinguishable in my mind. I guess I haven't been out to the movies, so "C'mon, you haven't seen..." is probably wasted on me. There was a thread a while back with a wallpaper of cute guys, but I can't remember the thread.

Actually, I take it back. I did see "Reign of Fire" but due to the makeup and costuming, I still don't have any idea what Christian Bale looks like.

Maybe Colin Farrell sounds too much like Colin Firth to me. And I know who he is for sure, though he has this magnetic hold over women that most guys don't share at all so I don't know if he really has charisma.

I like Brendan Fraser a lot, though I don't quite see him in this role. That is, less so than Jeremy Northam.

Oooh, what about Hugh Jackman? He's kind of abrasive, but I've never seen him try a religious type figure.
 
Posted by Jacare Sorridente (Member # 1906) on :
 
Tom Hanks
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
Hugh Jackman I can see.

Tom Hanks? *thinks* He's an incredible actor, so he could do anything. On that basis, that could work.
 
Posted by Jacare Sorridente (Member # 1906) on :
 
Yeah, that is basically what I am thinking. Tom Hanks can be funny and serious and come across as a real person. I can't think of anyone I'd rather see in this role.
 
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
 
Yeah, plus Tom Hanks is just sooo likeable. He could pull the wings off flys and you'd still root for him. (Not that that has anything to do with Joseph Smith, just that it might help with the cross-over appeal, for those of us who aren't Mormon and would have no reason to really like the character, going in.)
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
Isn't he almost too old, though? How old is he? Joseph Smith died at 36, and that was a decade after formally organizing the church. Most of the exciting story takes place between ages 14 and 30 or so. Wouldn't Tom Hanks be disqualified?
 
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
 
Probably. HRM... Younger than Hanks, but just as likeable... *blinks*

I've got it-- Johnny Depp!

*ducks*
 
Posted by ana kata (Member # 5666) on :
 
Nobody voted for Orlando Bloom? You know Joseph was a hottie! But I do picture him more muscular and manly than that. Hey, I know! Viggo!
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
Viggo!

Orlando and Johnny are cute and have charisma, but they are probably way too delicate and pretty to play convincing strong farmers.
 
Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
 
Viggo Mortensen would have been perfect 10 years ago, but he's 45 now.

I'd nominate Matthew McConaughey, but he just can't tone down that accent.

What about Desmond Harrington? He's less well-known, but he has a quiet intensity that captivated me the few times I've seen him onscreen. He played Jesse Keyes in Taken and Jack Ferriman in Ghost Ship. He was also in Wrong Turn, but I didn't see that.
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
Desmond Harrington

I don't think I've ever seen him before, but he has the right look.
 
Posted by Occasional (Member # 5860) on :
 
Desmond Harrington is too small of a guy, although that has nothing to do with his acting ability.

I would go for Hugh Jackman, but he would have to tone down some of his strong-man acting. I agree that Tom Hanks could have pulled it off in his younger years, but his age is starting to show.

Personally, I think the best look and feel of a movie about Joseph Smith would be a cross between the power of "Malcom X" and mystical anigma of "Lawrance of Arabia." I think of "Glory" whenever I imagine the art direction.

[ October 31, 2003, 10:52 PM: Message edited by: Occasional ]
 
Posted by Tresopax (Member # 1063) on :
 
How about Jim Carrey.... just for amusement's sake... [Smile]
 
Posted by Leto II (Member # 2659) on :
 
I can't believe that no one has said yet that the perfect person to play Joseph Smith would be Nicholas Cage. Not only is he a dead ringer, but he's not a bad actor (when given a good script).
 
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
 
When Richard Dutcher announced the project last year, he gave Matthew McConaughey as an example of an actor we will not be seeing in this role. Actually, he named "EdTV" so if McConaughey wins an Oscar or does something else to overshadow that...achievement..., it probably won't be him.

What about Russell Crowe? Or his gladiator nemesis, Joaquim Phoenix? (no idea if I spelled that right.)

What does HRM mean other than "His Royal Majesty?"

Nicholas Cage is one of my favorites, but I think he's too wiry. I'm not sure with Orlando Bloom. Of course the guy from Dune miniseries has proven he can do this role, but if he does it will do to his career what Mary Poppins did to Julie Andrews. He would become the religious Richard Chamberlain.
 
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
 
Perhaps the conundrum could be solved the same way it was in Ar-Rasala, the epic film of Mohammed's call and mission. It was filmed with Mohammed as the eyes behind the camera.

Part of this was due to the extreme interpretation of idolatry in Islam, in that pictures are forbidden. You notice all their artwork is calligraphic script or geometric designs. Also, they probably had the same trouble we do, of finding an actor to measure up.

Another benefit is that as director, Richard Dutcher would find himself interpreting Smith.
 
Posted by Amka (Member # 690) on :
 
Sean Astin might be able to pull it off.
 
Posted by Occasional (Member # 5860) on :
 
*bump* for Taalcan
 
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
 
Who?
 
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
 
(sluuurp) I was just drinking my soda out of this Taalcan. Mmmm...

...

What a terrible joke.
 
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
 
Beats the baby powder jokes ;O)
 


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