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Honestly, I think it was meant for young people to express their anger and rebelliousness, with songs such as "Beat on the Brat", "Anarchy in the UK", "Heroin", etc.

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Why just young people?
 

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Posted by Da_Goat (Member # 5529) on :
 
Oh, you old folks had John Denver.

Anyway, as most of these people have insinuated, everything people have ever been interested in has been sex, violence, and drugs. Just look back a few decades:Buddy Holly, Elvis, The Beatles, The Who, Led Zepplin, Ramones, The Sex Pistols, Bon Jovi, Nirvana, Sublime...

Look at any of those bands and you'll find references to sex, violence, and/or drugs.

And those are only the bands I like.

As for the new pseudo-punk thing, it's just a fad. Ignore it and it'll go away.
 

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Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
 
Wow, this is a new tune never heard before. Wow! Thanks for bringing to light my complete lack of taste in music. I'm a changed man.
 

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Posted by Rhaegar The Fool (Member # 5811) on :
 

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Ahh...This is more of a rant from me than anything, I think and probably most people won't even care to read it...but at any rate:

I am getting very angry with today's pop and Top 40 music...it seems that all people want to listen to are songs about sex, drugs, and/or alcohol...where I don't really have a problem with this, It really ticks me off to see fourth and fifth graders walking around singing songs like "My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard..." Some people argue that this is only IMPLIED sexuality, but even so there is a certain inference that cannot be overlooked. Does anyone else agree or am I just being stupid?

One other thing that gets me is not as serious, but angering nonetheless...I don't know how many other people have noticed the "Pop-punk" movement (with bands like simple plan and good charlotte) but this is definitely growing and it is very annoying to see middle school girls shopping at stores like Hot Topic and basically making an unsaid statement that "tries" to scream "I'M SO PUNK". I have no real problems with these bands or their music, but its the fact that Punk music was not really meant for songs about love and loss. Honestly, I think it was meant for young people to express their anger and rebelliousness, with songs such as "Beat on the Brat", "Anarchy in the UK", "Heroin", etc

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Perfectly put! I couldn't have said it better, well maybe I could...... anyhoo, one discrepency sah, It is not Pop Punk, it is called PussyPunk, and you can't count out the classic release albums of great bands that are dead of unreleased songs, they count as current music, like the new Nirvava CD *drools* a heavenly experience, but things like Simple Plan piss me off mucho mucho. Mettallica on tour! Hell Yeah!

Some of the best bands alive, or dead:
Ramones
Sex Pistols
Rage Against the Machine
Audioslave
Flogging Molly
Evanescence
Dropkick Murphys
Green Day
Cold
Offspring (Hit That is the best song)

The Best Bands ever:
Mettallica
The Monkees (yes yes I love them)

Best New Band this Millenium:
Vendetta Red

Rhaegar

[ January 18, 2004, 05:39 PM: Message edited by: Rhaegar The Fool ]
 

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Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
 
Rhaegar, your post absoutely screams sheltered 15-year-old.

Also, if you love Metallica so much, why do you spell their name incorrectly?
 

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Posted by Maethoriell (Member # 3805) on :
 
Jazz and orchestrial music is only appreciated by those who play an instrument because they can feel the music. Other than that teen sonly like music with either unique lyrics/imagery or an awesome beat. You can't really expect that much from them..or us, I mean.
 

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Posted by ae (Member # 3291) on :
 
Nonsense, Maeth.
 

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Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
 
Just because lots of people engage in premarital sex and "immodest behavior" doesn't make it some sort of badge of honor or something worth singing about, Ed, anymore than half the country opposing homosexual marriage makes that something to be held up and defended.

*shrug* Popular culture is usually an appeal to the lowest common denominator. I am no longer surprised by what I find there, but at the same time I unabashedly enjoy some of it, sometimes. After all, I've got a lowest common denominator, as well. I try not to make the mistake of kidding myself, however, that my more animalistic and instinctive desires are something to be admired instead of accepted and then dealt with.

And come on, Ed. You're not really sorry about those jabs at the GOP. You say such things very frequently. That'd be like me saying I'm sorry I swear. (Like that in the respect that I do, frequently).
 

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Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
 
If you want to support more sophisticated music, support more sophisticated music. Research local or unknown bands with a sound you like, and introduce people to it. Buy albums you enjoy and support the musicians, rather than burning a copy or ripping it off at Kazaa. With more people being responsible music patrons, better music will be better off.

Our culture is headed as a whole down a path of lower quality and lower standards. Maybe we can't reverse it, but we can work on improving the quality entertainment we enjoy in an effort to expand its availibility to those who share our tastes.
 

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Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
Kids today. I swear. As if. I mean, like, grody.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
To the max!
 

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Posted by jexx (Member # 3450) on :
 
RtF, are you seriously suggesting that Green Day is a punk band???

*rolls on floor laughing*

For the record: I enjoy PunkLite. I simply realize its smallness.

The Sex Pistols were just angry yelling men with no musical talent. I'm not saying they weren't effective, but even THEY said they had no musical talent. Performers, yes, artists, whatever, but not musicians.

I enjoy some popular music, even some *gasp* sexual music; but I don't like songs that advocate rape or violence. "Milkshake" is fun, but I always feel guilty listening to it. I much prefer Missy Elliot's work, as it seems to be a celebration of her own sexual being, rather than a longing for sexual acceptance.

*meh*

I'll stick with Jason Mraz, I guess. Also, Nelly and the St. Lunatics sing a song about their shoes (Air Force Ones!) that totally cracks me up.
 

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Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
 
Eddie, "Kill All the White Men" is a better NOFX song

-Bok

PS- Pop music has been going downhill since JS Bach anyway!

[ January 18, 2004, 11:06 PM: Message edited by: Bokonon ]
 

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Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
 
Yeah, how dare Bach appeal to emotionalism and the baser instincts, polluting the people's natural taste for the spiritual clarity of baroque.

And yep, like my Strauss example, the above is an example of the scorn with which Bach's music was initially received by musical critics.
 

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Posted by Nick (Member # 4311) on :
 
I like my own music.

I don't care what music is popular. If people didn't like it, it wouldn't be on the radio would it? They can listen to whatever they want. If there is one thing that irritates me is when cars drive around with their dual 12" subwoofers that makes that whole car rattle. That's just plain annoying.

Anyway, I generally like to learn how to play my favorite songs. I get the free tabs/music online, and it's not piracy, and you can play/listen to the song whenever you feel like.

That said, I would have to say that I like Incubus (sp?) and Metallica as one of my two favorites. I wish I was talented enough on my guitar to play some Incubus songs. . .

So far I'm limited to nearly all of the Red Hot Chili Peppers songs (In other words, I'm still not very good at playing. ).

I just don't get why people like Britney Spear's music. And why they call her a dancer. Also, he breast cup size increases from a B to a D in one month?

I could go on and on about the stupidity of "pop culture".

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Kids today. I swear. As if. I mean, like, grody.

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Because it was from you Tom, that was the funniest thing I have seen all day.

Lalo, you ask us to forgive the jabs at GOP, yet you do it constantly. What you said would be like somebody hitting you in the face and then saying, "Oh, by the way, forgive my jabs (pun) at your face!"
 

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Posted by Da_Goat (Member # 5529) on :
 

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So far I'm limited to nearly all of the Red Hot Chili Peppers songs (In other words, I'm still not very good at playing )

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I wouldn't complain. You really could be limited to worse music.
 

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Posted by Nick (Member # 4311) on :
 
I'm not complaining about the music, I'm complaing about my lack of ability to play better music.
 

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Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
It is my assumption that most people tend to think the music scene peaked when they were about 17. Then, for about two years, it sells out. And then, for another five years, it's lame. And after that, it's dangerously violent and skanky and dumb and promotes irresponsibility in youth.
 

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Posted by Nick (Member # 4311) on :
 

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It is my assumption that most people tend to think the music scene peaked when they were about 17. Then, for about two years, it sells out. And then, for another five years, it's lame. And after that, it's dangerously violent and skanky and dumb and promotes irresponsibility in youth.

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It is my assumption that people older than 25 don't know anything about how music is viewed by people that are 17-24.

But seriously, some people say they like what is popular so they can continue to think that they are popular.
 

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Posted by Argèn†~ (Member # 4528) on :
 
Garbage in, garbage out. The more simple getting music out to as many people as possible gets, the lower the bar goes for real talent, thus increasing the amount of crap to wade through to find the gems. Most of the time, people don't wade through. They just find a warm spot here and there and stay in it for a while.
 

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Posted by Rhaegar The Fool (Member # 5811) on :
 

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RtF, are you seriously suggesting that Green Day is a punk band???

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Jexx, I was N\not suggesting that they were, never in my entire post did I mention the word punk, I simply like their music, woudl you take it that my post was also suggesting the The Monkees (a funny beatles like brittish group who had a two season tv show) were punk? I was simply staing that I liked their music.

Oh a few bands I left out of my last post.

Bothy Band
The Chieftans

And, one of the bands most dissed by the Media but which in fact is just fun, notice, not neccesaril talented, just fun, their music and souns is just enjoyable, you can tell its people actually doing this for fun, and they are so unPC it just makes me love them even more.

Thirty Odd Foot of Grunts

Rhaegar

[ January 19, 2004, 12:34 AM: Message edited by: Rhaegar The Fool ]
 

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Posted by Frisco (Member # 3765) on :
 
Lalo on Pop Music: Bush Sucks

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Music cycles like anything else.

In times like these, I break out the Floyd and Beatles to weather the storm.

Something original will pop up soon.
 

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Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
 
If you're playing the chili peppers - and playing it well - you're a pretty good guitarist.

Then there's me, who knows Sarah McLachlan, Jewel, and the basic chords to every U2 song. Yeah, I'm real fun at a party.
 

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Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
 
I remember having this argument back in college. One guy said that there's pretty much an equal amount of good music out there at one time. Another of my friends believed that there is a certain fixed percentage of music that is allowed to be good. No, seriously, allowed. Like there's a super secret conspiracy that goes around making sure that, say, 6.72% of all music produced anywhere is good. In his opinion, they switched recently from preventing people from making good music to aiding people in making crappy music by the sackful.

For my part, I stared at them and said, "Look, all I said is that I think that a garage band that's been together for 4 months could play better than The Rolling Stones. They suck, that's all."

Later, I woke up with a hangover.
 

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Posted by Maethoriell (Member # 3805) on :
 
What nonsense do I speak of? The only person I know that likes jazz happens to play the sax. Therefore I can understand why he loves it. During a jazz concert we had during school, I could at least expect him to admire the musicians up on stage. Everyone else talked while all the solos went on or did homework, basically they went to that concert to get out of class.

Teens don't appreciate the music unless they understand the effort that is put into it. The music that they know is the kind that they can relate to or be expressive to.

[ January 19, 2004, 12:52 AM: Message edited by: Maethoriell ]
 

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Posted by Zotto! (Member # 4689) on :
 
*sends flowers to Squick in appreciation*

Annie! Come play some Sarah songs with me! *pouts* We'll make our OWN party...
 

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Posted by Da_Goat (Member # 5529) on :
 
I disagree, Maethoriell. I think it only has to do with what kinds of images the music paints in the teen's mind. That goes for any music which concentrates more on the music than the lyrics (jazz, classical, some metal). I know this from first-hand experience. Really, one of my favorite things to listen to, just for the sake of listening, is Tchaikovsky, since it paints such an epic picture in my mind. For the same reason, I really like The Oddyssey by Symphony X. I don't play the organ, guitar, drums, violin, or any of those, and I'm a terrible singer.

Of course, I also like rap and rock with heavy beats and good lyrics, but I like those for completely different reasons.

[ January 19, 2004, 01:03 AM: Message edited by: Da_Goat ]
 

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Posted by Maethoriell (Member # 3805) on :
 
Some images can't be painted by themselves. It has to be described for them. Rap and rock can't compare to classical and jazz for a teen because they all have characteristics that not everyone will see equally. It's not often you hear a teen share their excitement over his/her new classical music collection.

I listen to classical music and soundtrack because it's uncorrupted. It is the music alone. I listen to it for relaxation and to get out of what I always hear, love, hatred etc etc.

[ January 19, 2004, 01:20 AM: Message edited by: Maethoriell ]
 

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Posted by Da_Goat (Member # 5529) on :
 
I know they can't compare, but that doesn't mean they can't be enjoyed equally for different reasons. It's true you don't hear a teen jump up and down when they get a classical CD or something, but that's because they release their excitement differently with things like that.
 

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Posted by Maethoriell (Member # 3805) on :
 
..and why? It's still music in which they could be proud of, if anyone else shared that same feeling. Some teens are discouraged to like such music because it seems as if people would they like "oldies" or something like that. It's not something to always be proud of publicly. You get treated differently if you like another form of music than the others. Basically teens are discouraged to like classical and jazz because it's not as popular as the other types, only because the artists gather more gossip than that of jazz artists etc. It only takes overcoming that fear of being different and maturity to accept jazz and classical as a kind of music thats actually just as popular as the others.
 

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Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
 

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Amen. I find myself not listening to too much else in recent months(possibly years). Throw in some more classic rock, coldplay, and a renewed interest in Dave Matthews, and that pretty much sums up my music for the past 2 years or so. Give or take a few bands. But Floyd and The Beatles more than anything else.

[ January 19, 2004, 01:48 AM: Message edited by: Strider ]
 

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Posted by Nick (Member # 4311) on :
 
♫ We don't need no education.. ♫

 

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Posted by enjeeo (Member # 2336) on :
 

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One other thing that gets me is not as serious, but angering nonetheless...I don't know how many other people have noticed the "Pop-punk" movement (with bands like simple plan and good charlotte) but this is definitely growing and it is very annoying to see middle school girls shopping at stores like Hot Topic and basically making an unsaid statement that "tries" to scream "I'M SO PUNK". I have no real problems with these bands or their music, but its the fact that Punk music was not really meant for songs about love and loss. Honestly, I think it was meant for young people to express their anger and rebelliousness, with songs such as "Beat on the Brat", "Anarchy in the UK", "Heroin", etc.

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I have no real problems with these bands or their music

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when clearly they do?

Did you read your own post? You have no real problem with something that angers you? That angered you enough that you posted about it?

I find this somewhat amusing.
 

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Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
Are you sure you spell grody like that?
 

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Posted by jexx (Member # 3450) on :
 
Aw, RtF, I'm sorry. I was mixing up your post with that of drumsntolkien. I suck. In my defense, I had been cleaning the house all day and the fumes from the 409 might have finally gotten to me.

*grin*

And I like Green Day too. But I like MXPX more. And favoritely: Nickelback. So there. Nyah! (not addressed to anyone in particular, just feelin' sassy)

And when I was a junior in H.S., I jumped up and down when I got my Wagner cassettes (yes, before CD players were prevalent. I am old.). So nyah to Maeth, too.

Also: Lalo is a boogerhead.
 

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Posted by drumsntolkein (Member # 6095) on :
 
...i didnt mean to be saying that i thought music "should be" this or "should include" these subjects...i was just appalled at the lack of respect that some people can show towards something like sex...it's not like if they mention it at all, i'm going to turn off the radio or anything, but i honestly think that the level of, shall we say, details put into those songs is not necessary. isn't sex meant to be something private, shared only with your partner, married or not?

--changes topics--

hehe well as for this whole punk thing i probably should have reworded it. mostly, i was directing it towards the listener rather than the maker of music...i respect those bands and i think they have decent music, honestly i really like some of it.

But say you go to a middle school...you walk in and you see a group of little cheerleaders in a group wearing good charlotte and simple plan t-shirts. then you see some guys walk by and they're like "Man, Good Charlotte sucks! I'd never listen to them, they have no talent" (FYI this is an exact situation that i observed in a middle school a year or so ago) then one of the cheerleaders goes "Maybe, but their drummer is REALLY hot!"....

THAT is what angers me. if i were that guy i would go home and pray to never touch a good charlotte cd in my life. Then i'd probably get on to high school and buy it anyway because i actually heard it and it wasn't bad....I don't know i really don't mind the pop-punk movement, and i didnt mean to try to define what punk should be...honestly, punk is whatever you make it and thats why it's so awesome, because it's such a great form of expression. and people can identify with it.
Maybe i should be happy that punk is still mainstream and people can listen to it and think "hey i know exactly what they're talking about!"...

so, either way, i've changed what i said in my initial post a lot.
 

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Posted by drumsntolkein (Member # 6095) on :
 
oh and rhaegar, i'm sorry but it's really funny that you mention the bands that you do...because (you may argue or not either way is true) i know for a fact that you haven't even listened to half of the bands on your list... sorry i just think its really funny, but maybe it's because i know rhaegar personally hehe
 

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Posted by Robespierre (Member # 5779) on :
 

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What the hell happened to black pride?

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The left in this country has all but stomped it out. How can we expect any other result when blacks are held to a different standard than the rest of the nation? Those who embrace "diversity" for diversity's sake are the ones robbing people of their identity. Individuals no longer exist to them, but rather, they turn every gathering, everywork-place into a charity event, thus removing the possibility of pride in one's work or self.
 

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Posted by drumsntolkein (Member # 6095) on :
 
MAYBE they agree with you about all the crass, blatant sexual lyrics around today, and their form of rebellion IS to write punk about love and feeling.

^wow that is definitely grounds for saying that i'm really stupid... ummm yeah you're absolutely right...(see my second most recent post)
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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Are you sure you spell grody like that?

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Yes!
 

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Posted by Sopwith (Member # 4640) on :
 
There's always been a ton of junk in the musical mainstream and quite a few gems scattered here and there. The trick to it, as we look back on our personal musical landscapes, is that we forget most of the crud and keep to heart that which was good (at least to us) or memorably unique.

Everyone remembers Bill Haley and the Comets' Rock 'round the Clock but can you name any of their other songs? Can anyone name a Little Richard song that isn't Good Golly Miss Molly or Tutti Frutti ?

Skip forward a decade: You can roll a hundred songs from The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Who, Bob Dylan and the Kinks out of your memory banks. But can you name one artist besides Chubby Checker who did a Twist-inspired song? You might remember that James Brown proclaimed I Feel Good! but do you remember anything about Love and Tuna Fish?

Saunter into the 70s: Arena Rock slammed into Disco and somewhere along the way Punk was born. KISS proclaimed Detroit as Rock City, USA while Parlaiment Funkadelic tried to make the Earth into the Mothership. Do you remember The Bump or the Hustle or any of the million variations that K-Tel sold us again and again. It was a time when squeaky clean John Denver sweated through the charts with the Village People alongside Johnny Rotten and the boys from backstreet London.

The Eighties (or the NEW, Improved VH-1 decade): Wow, Cyndi Lauper was somehow socially relevant back then, for a little bit as disco went into a death pirouette with New Wave. Donna Summers had her last dance with the lead singer of Flock of Seagulls and we should have lost our love of haircare products right there. But nope, we had to watch U2's Joshua Tree fight with Billy Ocean for airplay. We all know how that one turned out ... big sigh of relief folks. Rap was ushered in as well, thanks to, of all people, Debbie Harry of Blondie (their song Rapture was the first rap song to break into the Top 40) and Snoop Dogg still hasn't busted out some rhymes to thank her.

Marketing Madness: The 90s! Be cool, be hip, be buying our stuff. Let's find some worn out fellas in Seattle who've paid their dues and see if anyone will listen. Hey! They're buying albums left and right? Cool, let's turn the grunge factory to a 24/7 shift. And we learned something we should have learned 20 years before -- you can kill the goose that lays the golden Seattle Sound eggs... from Jimi to Kurt, all we're left with are reissues and a pathetic Hole. And somewhere along the way, the Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen business plan took hold. If kids grow up watching someone, they'll keep buying their albums and videos. Britney Spears or Justin Timberlake anyone? And if ya throw in a dose of sex when those kids hit late puberty, you've got a gold mine. I think they learned this lil addiction trick from the tobacco industry. That and if the big kids like it, the lil kids will follow right along behind.

And here we are today: Same amount of good music out there, but the stream has been filled with a lot of silt. Like an old time miner, if you're willing to pan and pan and pan, sooner or later you'll find your gold. And maybe, with the results of the last couple of American Idols (and the International one) we got to see something a wee bit uplifting: producer/marketer extraordinaire Simon Cowell being turned on his ear when the public chucks a perceived image and votes in the fat black guy and the skinny white kid purely on the basis of their talents. Or a Norwegian hobbit gets the worldwide nod. Now if we could just clear out this avalanche of eye-liner addicted, wrist-sewn-to-forehead, Goth sun fearing bands, we could get past the "New Big Thing" and find something that means something once again.

The public isn't stupid as a whole, but the marketing folks always act like we are. They see what works and throw a ton of stuff our way that's similar, never realizing that you can't recreate magic time and again from the same whole cloth. Sure the crap albums sell, but they get forgotten pretty quickly, pop is just bubblegum as Bono warned and everybody wants some. But we just spit it out when we're done with it. The classics, however, we keep.

[ January 19, 2004, 03:34 PM: Message edited by: Sopwith ]
 

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Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
 
I don't know if i *completely* agree with everything you said...but i thoroughly enjoyed reading it.
 

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Posted by Rhaegar The Fool (Member # 5811) on :
 

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oh and rhaegar, i'm sorry but it's really funny that you mention the bands that you do...because (you may argue or not either way is true) i know for a fact that you haven't even listened to half of the bands on your list... sorry i just think its really funny, but maybe it's because i know rhaegar personally hehe

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Actually Drums, you know me, but does that mean you know what bands I have heard? No. I don't know the contents of your memory storage any more than you know mine. So, you might want to say something that is physically possible next time, because it is physically impossible for you to know which bands I have heard or listened to or liked. I mean you are not Spock, oyu can't read minds like a Vulcan, can you? Cause if you are Spock that would kick ass, but you're not Spock, you can't read memories or minds, so you can't know.

Yet another great band forgotten in elder posts:

Queen

Rhaegar

[ January 19, 2004, 04:33 PM: Message edited by: Rhaegar The Fool ]
 

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Posted by drumsntolkein (Member # 6095) on :
 
mmhmmm, when i see you next time you better sing me a sex pistols song...
 

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Posted by Sopwith (Member # 4640) on :
 
Thanks Strider, sometimes it's better to entertain than educate.
 

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Posted by Lalo (Member # 3772) on :
 

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The left in this country has all but stomped it out. How can we expect any other result when blacks are held to a different standard than the rest of the nation? Those who embrace "diversity" for diversity's sake are the ones robbing people of their identity. Individuals no longer exist to them, but rather, they turn every gathering, everywork-place into a charity event, thus removing the possibility of pride in one's work or self.

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What's really amusing about this post is that you seem to be implying that the "standard" colored people are held to is lower than the bar set for whites.

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That's exactly what I am saying. The standard for blacks is lower than for others. The left is the most guilty for creating this lowered standard. Affirmative Action certainly lowers the standards. When you add in the sliding standards of inner-city schools, racial preferences for college admissions, etc., the message is clear: Blacks cannot achieve without government help.
 

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Posted by enjeeo (Member # 2336) on :
 
drumsntolkein

Wow, when you back-pedal, you do it with style and grace.

I think we all get caught in the 'meaning of things' sometimes so much that it's hard to remember that it's going to have different meanings to other people, and that that's actually okay. (I'm not saying that's what you did, drumsntolkein, I'm more writing the thoughts I had as I was reading the whole topic's worth of posts.)

Music seems like a mass experience (especially at a really great concert) but actually for the most part it's a very individual experience. Even when we here a song that has lyrics that seem to exactly encapsulate how we feel, our connection may be with a feeling the author/composer never felt, and didn't actually intend to be the meaning of the song. Other times we really have understood just what they wanted to express.

And now that I think about it, I realise that I really like that about music, and the fact that the meanings change even for the individual over time. The personal soundtrack to my life is always changing.

[ January 19, 2004, 05:08 PM: Message edited by: enjeeo ]
 

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Posted by drumsntolkein (Member # 6095) on :
 
actually rhaegar singing isnt on the top of my list of torture...it's not too horrible.
 

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Posted by drumsntolkein (Member # 6095) on :
 
yeah enjeeo, i definitely worded that really wrong at the beginning...i just had a moment of anger because there is so much good music that is not really recognised
 

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Posted by Maethoriell (Member # 3805) on :
 

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And when I was a junior in H.S., I jumped up and down when I got my Wagner cassettes (yes, before CD players were prevalent. I am old.). So nyah to Maeth, too

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Jazz and orchestrial music is only appreciated by those who play an instrument because they can feel the music. Other than that teen sonly like music with either unique lyrics/imagery or an awesome beat. You can't really expect that much from them..or us, I mean.

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