Okay I've searched and searched and con't find anything on this. So tell me. Does anyone else say Ha Track instead of Hat Rack, or is it just me?
Posted by Da_Goat (Member # 5529) on :
It's just you.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
I REALLY saw that coming, man.
Posted by Da_Goat (Member # 5529) on :
Then why'd you ask?
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
It's come up before. A minority of people pronounce it the way you do, but you're not alone.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
This was at Goat.
I think it just never occured to me that it was supposed to BE hat rack mashed together. I always read it as one word.
[ February 10, 2004, 03:35 PM: Message edited by: PSI Teleport ]
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Do you say "Ba-tman," too?
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
I used to say Hat Track.
Until Boot camp, when OSC said Hat Rack.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
I KNOW that you know Ba Tman and Bat Man are pronounced the same way.
Posted by Zotto! (Member # 4689) on :
I actually used to pronounce it "Hay-Track".
I blame the Hawaii public education system. Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
I started a thread about this many moons ago. I don't think there was any consensus.
I say Hat Rack.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
I looked for one. Must have been a while back.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Its a dobie of the entire forum! Run!
Posted by BYuCnslr (Member # 1857) on :
I know there are people that say hat track though. Satyagraha
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:I KNOW that you know Ba Tman and Bat Man are pronounced the same way.
Uh . . . no they aren't. "Batman" is regularly pronounced with a glottal stop instead of a t. Posted by Kasie H (Member # 2120) on :
I've always said Hat Track...but then I introduced a friend of mine to the forum and he says Hat Rack...and so does OSC. So I'm trying to change my habit, but it hasn't been working very well so far.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Ah, I wasn't thinking of the entire word. I was thinking that moving the t in front of man wouldn't change the pronunciation if it were two different words.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
So by hat rack, do you mean not actually saying a t but using a glottal stop, they way most folks do with Kitten and Mitten? I only actually say the t in "jatraqueros", though I can't think of a reason I would have said that aloud.
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
See, I was going to bring up the glottal stop. That's how I pronounce "Hatrack." I believe Americans in general use the glottal stop instead of actually pronouncing the "t" with the front of their tongue.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
tman is not a well formed syllable in English, though it probably is in some other language. Track is.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
I guess that was my point. TR has it's own pronunciation that isn't *really* t and r put together. But the only way for an American to pronounce "tman" wound be to move the t to the word before it.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
tr sounds like chr. I don't think this would happen with a trilled or flapped r.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
OH tr does sounds like chr! The problem there is that ch doesn't really sound like c and h.
Posted by Nick (Member # 4311) on :
I thought it was Ha-track. I have been say hat rack lately though.
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
For some reason I've just gotta say Hat Track
Posted by ak (Member # 90) on :
I have always said hat-rack, yes, with a glottal stop. I have heard people saying ha-track but I just put it down to the fact that all y'all talk sorta funny anyways but don't worry we don't hold it against you.
[ February 11, 2004, 12:19 AM: Message edited by: ak ]
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
Y'all? Are you implying that Texans mispronounce Hatrack or that southerners usually get it right?
Posted by Nato (Member # 1448) on :
You're not alone. Or, maybe you are now.
I used to say "Ha-track," but now, after a couple Jatraqueromeets, I've been converted.
Posted by Jeni (Member # 1454) on :
I can't even say Ha track and Hat track if I try.
Posted by Eruve Nandiriel (Member # 5677) on :
Funny this should come up. I was arguing with my Mom about it the other day. She thinks it is pronounced "Hay-track" and I was trying to tell her it's "Hat-rack", but she doesn't believe me.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:TR has it's own pronunciation that isn't *really* t and r put together.
Actually, it is. The t becomes palatalized by the r that follows it, making it almost but not quite a ch.
quote:The problem there is that ch doesn't really sound like c and h.
Welcome to the world of English spelling. It's just a spelling convention. In Old English, the ch sound was represented by a c preceded or followed by an i or an e, which caused palatalization of the c. The same thing happened in Vulgate Latin. In Latin it was always a k sound, but in Italian, c + (i or e) is pronounced like ch.
But I'm sure that's more than you wanted to know about that. The point is that the word "hatrack" is "hat" + "rack." When a t is the last letter of the first part of a compound word, it almost always turns into a glottal stop. I can't actually think of any exceptions to the rule off the top of my head.
[ February 10, 2004, 11:08 PM: Message edited by: Jon Boy ]
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
I say Hat-rack, with a glottal stop and am finding new reasons to idolize Jon Boy every day.
Jon Boy
Linguistics.... (drools)
Posted by kwsni (Member # 1831) on :
I say Hat track.
When I'm around other hatrackers, I get all mixed up, cause they all say it different.
Ni!
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
I'm confused by the people who say they pronounce it "hat track." Are you pronouncing the t twice?
Posted by Suneun (Member # 3247) on :
Similar to this, I likely mispronounce many of the names in Speaker for the Dead. Yes, yes, there's that helpful how-to-pronounce-portuguese-names bit in the front, but I totally ignored it
I like how I "think" their names.
Like Eilonwy in the Lloyd Alexander books... I used to say "ellon-wee" instead of "eye-LAHN-wee" which is the (sorta?) correct way.
And now, back to Hat Rack. Which anyone who knows anything knows, is pronounced Hatr Ack.
Posted by Suneun (Member # 3247) on :
kinda like cataract
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
"Hat-rack." When I've been struck by a bit of the whimsy, "Half-track."
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
quote: But I'm sure that's more than you wanted to know about that.
Actually I'm fascinated by this. I'm a linguistics major that hasn't been able to start her LING classes yet. Gotta get it somewhere.
<-- also ECON major. Freaky? You bet.
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
PSI--As a linguistic economist, you can teach the likes of Alan Greenspan how to pronounce "interest."
Posted by beatnix19 (Member # 5836) on :
I've always said Ha-Track. Hat Rack just sounds weird to me. But apparently I am wrong. Oh, well. That's nothing new.
Posted by Psycho Triad (Member # 3331) on :
I just call it a general addiction.
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