I am lost. I don't know who I agree with anymore. I'm not a liberal because I don't agree with most of what they are pushing for. I'm not really a conservative, at least not right now, because I have become increasingly wary of the Bush Administration, and I don't really trust them, or what they are doing.
Where am I? I have like zero ideas on this right now, so I'd appreciate opinions from everyone on what they believe, politically, and why. I'm hoping for opinions from all sides of the religious/secular arguments too.
I don't really trust ANYBODY.
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
Sounds like your in the paranoid party.
Posted by eslaine (Member # 5433) on :
Decline to state. Who needs parties?
Silly joiners. Posted by beatnix19 (Member # 5836) on :
Start your own party of Teleporters, who believe that there is nothing good to believe right now!
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
It depends. Do you own over fifteen guns, wear tin foil hats, and believe that the government is run by a cabal of fascists determined to use any means necessary to remain in power, including a fleet of black helicopters? If so, the modern Libertarian Party would be a good fit.
[ March 08, 2004, 11:45 AM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Wellll....I don't wear the hats.
But NOT the libertarian party! I agree with that one least of all! I saw a bumper sticker that said this:
I am pro-choice about EVERYTHING! -Libertarian party
I mean, what the heck??? That sounds like anarchy to me.
Posted by digging_holes (Member # 6237) on :
Hey, PSI! Move to Canada! We can't tell our parties apart, and none of them matter. Politics are much simpler here: you can ignore them safely.
Unless someone serious comes along, that is. In which case the whole country is united in voting against him/her/it. Which is the way things should be.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote: Who needs parties?
Anybody that wants more say in the deomocratic process beyond choosing candidate A or B on election day.
Posted by eslaine (Member # 5433) on :
You don't have to choose either.
The further away from home your vote gets, the less it counts anyway. There is more to elections than silly Presidential elections where we have the least amount of input of all.
I am proud to be unaligned. Phtt! Joiners!
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
*snort*
No, that's if you want to be a politician. One can go quite far without belonging to either party, just practice candidate based advocacy instead of party based.
Also, its possible to run as a candidate for many of the independent parties without being a member of that party, for local posts, if they feel you would do a good job.
edit to add: and yes, I have been able to put a non-party political effort to practical use.
[ March 08, 2004, 01:40 PM: Message edited by: fugu13 ]
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
There is great advantage for a candidate to align themselves with one of the two major parties: funding and publicity. I have felt for a long time that I don't align well with any party. From now on, I will just try to look at the candidates and choose who I think is best (or the lesser in a choice of evils).
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
quote: One can go quite far without belonging to either party, just practice candidate based advocacy instead of party based.
This doesn't work when both of your candidates have way too much party loyalty...or they're just doofuses.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
If they're doofuses, don't support them . Also, its usually not too hard to work with even a candidate with high party loyalty, you just volunteer to help with some things on their campaign and don't mention you're not in their party. And there's definitely no problem in advocating a candidate with high party loyalty while not being a member of their party -- it often helps, even, as people are more likely to consider you a credibly advocate.
(and actually, you could even be in their party. I'm perfectly comfortable with registering for the party I most want to vote in the primaries for if my state restricts a party's primaries to party members only, and still would not consider myself in the party).
Posted by Chaz_King (Member # 3184) on :
This is a good question, I mean I have some odd beliefs, but I have no idea where the political terminoligy would place me, I usually call my self a Liberal Republican, because of my beliefs on abortion, homosexuality, as well as cencsorship could easily be placed on the left, I still believe in a strong military, minimal government interaction in business, and firm role in foreign policy...
So would you say my self proclaimed title of "Liberal Republican" fits?
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
quote:Ok, what party am I?
Donner?
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Chaz, black helicopters aside, I'd say you actually fit the classic libertarian model.
I'm not sure there's a political party for PSITeleport or OSC, though, both of whom are fiscal leftists and social conservatives; we could call it the Authoritarian Party or something, but we'd have to make one from scratch.
Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
What about us social liberals and fiscal conservatives?
Edit: Well, closer to social libertarian, actually... but still fiscal conservative... and education reactionary.
[ March 08, 2004, 04:00 PM: Message edited by: FlyingCow ]
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
I'm not sure I'm a fiscal leftist, either. i don't really agree with anyone beyond a small percent.
Posted by suntranafs (Member # 3318) on :
There's really not that much wrong with being a libertarian. At this stage, having 20% of your party thinking that the government is fascists in black helicopters is a heck of a lot better than having all your party thinking everything is hunky dory so long as "my side is in the winning seat" and that political life is a dillema of good and evil between my party and the other party, when really there isn't much difference, not fascists in helicopters, but bumbling, not very smart and mainly self-only interested leadership, that, while it hasn't taken the country to heck yet, and while it isn't trying to, and while there are still some smart, good people in there, it is slowly(or perhaps not) but surely going to heck.
Posted by gwan (Member # 6194) on :
It amuses me that you let hatrack vote for you... Posted by romanylass (Member # 6306) on :
I am registered UNdeclared, consider myself Green (yes, i voted for Nader) but will probably vote for Kerry (under the ABB argumument) then get back to advocating for the Green's.
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