So, as a Catholic, does that mean it's ok for me to wear paisley?
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
As funny as this may seem (and I've chuckled myself) this is rather sad. This person is both zealous and misguided and that's a dangerous combination. I wish they could direct all that energy toward something more positive that will have a greater effect than railing against candles and paisley print.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I always suspected this. Now I KNOW. Posted by Jenny Gardener (Member # 903) on :
The following things are evil. Get rid of them.
CURSED OBJECTS AND DEMON INFESTATION (Cast out of people and houses; command all demons to go by these names or associated with these objects.)
1. Books and objects identified with anything related to Satan's Kingdom.
2. Sinful activities of former residents left curses.
3. Knocking or noisy ghosts (poltergeist) and apparitions.
4. Owl and frog images of all types.
5. Witch's mask and fetishes used by witch doctors.
6. Objects and literature that pertain to false religions, cults, the occult and spiritism.
7. Graven images of gods (demons).
8. Objects dedicated to demons (idols and artifacts).
9. Ouija boards or other occult paraphernalia.
10. Prayers and worship to demons bring curses on home.
11. Mexican sun gods; idols, incense; Buddhas; hand carved objects from Africa or the Orient; anything connected with astrology, horoscopes, fortune telling, etc.; books or objects associated with witchcraft, good luck charms or cult religions (metaphysics, Christian Science, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.); rock and roll records and tapes.
12. Jewelry given to a person by someone in witchcraft, hex signs, ancient geometric and mystical motifs, jewelry designed to bring good luck and act as talisman to chase evil.
13. Egyptian ankh, broken cross (peace symbol), chais, Polynesian tikkis of gods, African jujus, Italian horn, protectors from the evil eye, hand with index and little fingers pointing up, crosses, clovers, stars, wishbones, luck coins, mystic medals, horseshoes, religious fetishes and statues.
14. Products with cryptic curses (hidden secret, occult curses).
15. Dolls used for witchcraft and magic; puppets, cult objects or representations
It's really tough getting rid of those "cryptic curses"...
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Well, TAK, you're probably already damned for being Catholic, so I can't image that wearing paisley would hurt. I mean, it's not like you can be extra-damned, right?
Posted by Jenny Gardener (Member # 903) on :
Belle, you're right, this is very sad. I'm done now. However, I cannot argue with this religious person - the Scriptures say what they say, and this person's experiences are not something I am qualified to discredit.
However, if this is truly what God is all about, I think I'll choose Hell. On purpose.
Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
Boy, If triangles are out, this whole holy trinity thing is awfully wicked too.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
quote:Know this - EVERYONE has demons, ESPECIALLY CHRISTIANS. There is no Scripture that says this. It is just a matter of FACT. There is no Scripture that says you do NOT have demons. Jesus said the demons are living INSIDE of you, not OUTSIDE, and the demons call your body their "house".
Okay, this is just bad theology too. I don't think that any believer can be possessed by demons. They can't cross the blood line. ONce you've accepted Christ and have been washed clean by his blood, you're inaccessible to them.
That does not mean that demons cannot bother you or influence you or that there can't be strongholds in your life, that does happen to everyone but it's not the same as possession.
I believe spiritual warfare is real - we war not against flesh and blood but powers and principalities. I believe demons exist.
I do not believe they have a hold over me because I enjoy candlelight. I think my God is more powerful than that. I don't think He sits on his thrones and wrings his hands and says "I wish my believers would stop wearing paisley."
Posted by Jenny Gardener (Member # 903) on :
And there are also things on the website I agree with - like the bits about the widespread use of chemicals, selling religion/God for profit, etc. It's scary how much I can actually agree with.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
Betcha they're associated with Landover Baptist. It kind of reminds me of the ""Objective Christian Ministries which is a parody pretending to be a real Christian site. (Search for some of the stuff they have on there...their "university" doesn't exist, for starters).
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
quote:Would you like help from being Depressed? Abused? Afraid? Tormented? Suicidal? Sick? Alcoholic? Addict? Obese? Homosexual (gay, lesbian)? Witch? Satanist? Brotherhood? Want out of the occult or a cult? Hooked on porno? Dying? OCD? MPD? DID? Molester? Self-Abuse? Bi-polar? Etc.? Just get Saved and cast out these demons!
This is what I meant by dangerous. Let's just convince people that none of those problems can be related to anything except demons, so if they supposedly case them out and stay depressed then we'll just tell them that it was a lack of faith.
There ARE real chemical problems in the world, that need treatment. I do not and can not subscribe to the idea that every mental illness in the world is the result of the demonic.
And Jenny, I agree with a lot of it, I just don't agree with the degree to which they've taken it.
Posted by Jenny Gardener (Member # 903) on :
Shigosei, they're not. This group is exactly what it claims to be. These kinds of folks have been around at least as long as I have. My mom used to have books like this in her religious shelves...
Posted by Sopwith (Member # 4640) on :
Yanno, I was just thinking the other day how much I missed wearing paisley. Can't seem to find any good paisley ties anymore, just the weird and overly flashy geometrics. Blech! Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
quote: African jujus, Italian horn
Ripe for the OOC thread...
Posted by Jenny Gardener (Member # 903) on :
Yeah, I know, Belle. That's what depresses me. Some good stuff, because it is always a good thing to examine yourself. What is in your home and why? That's not a bad thing to consider. But taken to these extremes...
Also, though I am now disinclined to agree with the idea of Spiritual Warfare, I once heartily participated in it. I remember helping cast demons out of a house once, and being "summoned" by some mysterious prompting to protect a friend who was talking to a purported Witch. I am not about to discredit those experiences, or those of people who have claimed to have them.
I walk a different path now, and I end up laughing at websites like these precisely to the degree they have harmed and pained me.
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
When people start talking about "Voting from their religion" or "Allowing religion, not secular science, to guide their decisions" it is nuts like these that make me question the wisdom of doing that.
I know its not fair.
I know its not likely.
However, when some one says they are going to vote as their religion guides them, I fear a world where people like this make government policy that rules my life.
Thanks in large part to people here, I now banish that unworthy thought. Still, they are doing more harm to Christianity than all the Gay marriages in California.
It is hard to truly praise those you fear, so I wonder of the true piety of the God Fearing man.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
These guys are real? In that case, someone ought to cast the DEMONS of PARANOIA out of them.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
I actually stumbled upon this website once researching Islam and what it says about Christ. I found what they had to say informative and it actually didn't seem as biased as you would expect from this site.
Posted by Zalmoxis (Member # 2327) on :
quote:The Pontiff told the assembled Buddhist monks, Zoroastrian priests, Catholic cardinals, Hindu gurus, American Indian shamen, Jewish rabbis, and ecumenical clergy that all must join in condemning the Christian fundamentalists who "abuse speech" and whose efforts at converting others "incite hatred and violence."
The Pope further directed that the religious leaders promote "tolerance," mutual understanding, and respect for all religions and faiths, not just their own.
Gotta hate that tolerance, mutual understanding, and respect...
Dagonee
Posted by Dragon (Member # 3670) on :
quote: THERE IS NO HATE, MALICE, RACISM, ETC. ON THIS SITE. THESE ARE SINS IN THE EYES OF GOD, AND ARE ALSO DEMONS. THE BIBLE MAKES IT CLEAR THAT SIN CANNOT GET INTO HEAVEN.
Amazing.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
I seriously think that the background shade of blue on that site needs to be exorcised.
AJ
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
And the organ music!
Posted by shadowmaker (Member # 6155) on :
What if paisley is the thing trying to save us, FROM THAT SITE???
I just pictured a guy on his computer for that sit and pointing to people and saying "SMITE, SMITE, SMITE!"
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
don't have working speakers on my computer so I guess I was spared the sound effects!
And the WTC was demolished by the United States.
Posted by FriendlyNeighborhoodWitch (Member # 6317) on :
Yes, and by merely being here on Hatrack, I am desensitizing all of you to Wicca! By doing this, I am slowly corrupting you all and am poisoning Hatrack with my demons!
You should all fear me!
I went poking around on that site, knowing, just knowing, that I would find a section about wicca, and look,I found one! Now you can all reverse my evil influences on Hatrack by chanting these really long, spell-like incantations!
I did want to say that I would personally like to strangle the Wiccan who sent them the emails saying that Wicca was similar to old Satanism. Yes, lets spread some common misconceptions.
(Edit for broken link)
[ March 12, 2004, 03:37 AM: Message edited by: FriendlyNeighborhoodWitch ]
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Oh, goody! We've found the site that can unite Hatrack -- and offend all of us. Posted by fiazko (Member # 5812) on :
That's it. I'm getting a full-body paisley tattoo.
Posted by BelladonnaOrchid (Member # 188) on :
Oh, no, Rivka, please don't misunderstand me. I'm not offended. I'm very, very horribly amused.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I think I would be, if not for the organ music and the BLUE screen sapping away all my amused-ness. Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
This site does not promote the sin of Hate.
Just the holy blessing of violent dislike.
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
This site does not promote the Sin of Intolerance.
It promotes the idea that everyone should be tolerant
of us.
We peacefully tolerate the rest of you on your pathetic journey to Heck, and do wish you would hurry up and get there.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Well, to be fair, they do seem to want the rest of us to not go to hell. Isn't it nice that someone cares that much? Posted by Anthro (Member # 6087) on :
Ye gods, they could at least make it a better website.
Hulk no like long blocks of text on ugly blue background with organ music which Hulk thinks is so five minutes ago.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
The greatest dress I ever owned was a deep solid turquoise, with a paisley texture in the heavy material. Princess waist and neckline, puffed sleeves, netting under the skirt and bows down the back where the buttons were. My mom got it for me when I was 12.
Paisley will always have a corner cubby in my heart's inn. *sniff*
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Let's just convince people that none of those problems can be related to anything except demons, so if they supposedly case them out and stay depressed then we'll just tell them that it was a lack of faith.![[Cry]](graemlins/cry.gif)
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Perhaps, but I'm apparently awaiting an AntiChrist. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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