I saw it!! Diane saw it, too, so I wasn't hallucinating (and she's not into humoring me). (unless she's wanting to be entertained)
They just aired a promo.
The absolute, inarguably (in this thread), emphatically greatest show of the Star Trek franchise is coming to Spike TV on April 5th!!
Life is good.
[ September 29, 2004, 05:51 PM: Message edited by: sndrake ]
Posted by Rappin' Ronnie Reagan (Member # 5626) on :
WOOOOOO!!!!
Posted by MEC (Member # 2968) on :
While it is only my second favorite star trek show, still a cause to celebrate!
[ April 05, 2004, 09:00 AM: Message edited by: MEC ]
Posted by Zevlag (Member # 1405) on :
DS9 returning?
This is a "Good Thing"!
Posted by Zamphyr (Member # 6213) on :
Bleh! Anything that cuts into Spike's ST:TNG showing is a bad thing Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
For those of us who love DS9 and haven't been able to see a single episode in years,, it's worth it even if it means we only get to see the STTNG episodes 19 times instead of 20 times.
This thread is for celebrating.
[ March 16, 2004, 09:57 PM: Message edited by: sndrake ]
Posted by SoberTillNoon (Member # 6170) on :
You, no one in fact, knows how much of a good thing this is, for me at least. I love that show, esp. the later seasons.
Now, if SPIKE TV would only air Babylon 5, I would be in heaven. I would be you know. I would never leave my couch at those times.
Posted by MEC (Member # 2968) on :
DS9 was my favorite for fighting in star trek.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I only saw parts of the first season, and I was not impressed. I've heard that the latter seasons were pretty good, and that they were lest episodic (TNG was the king of episodic) and more arc-based. I'll have to check it out.
Please tell us when the times are announced.
[ March 16, 2004, 10:01 PM: Message edited by: mr_porteiro_head ]
Posted by Fitz (Member # 4803) on :
This is a good thing.
Here in Canada, until about a month ago, Deep Space 9 was on the Space channel every afternoon. Just recently their contract to show it ran out, and they decided not to renew it for some odd reason. Thank Goodness for Spike TV.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
Canadians...
Free health care and Deep Space Nine.
Life is not fair.
But Spike TV is going to make it at least a little fairer. Posted by Yozhik (Member # 89) on :
I watched DS9 for the first couple seasons, then I moved to Russia for a while. When I came back, they had long since switched to the arc format and I had no idea what the hell was going on anymore, so I didn't watch the show. I'm glad that the reruns will finally be aired on a channel we get, so I can follow the arc from the beginning.
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
Is this going to run into my Star Trek uncut on Spike? Cause if it is, I'm gonna get really upset at all you DS9 people. Seriously though, I'm a die-hard TNG loyalist. Next comes Voyager...and after that is DS9. (though the dominion war seasons were awesome, I must admit.)
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Bah. ANYONE who says they like Voyager -- at ALL -- is immediately demoted to "someone whose opinion matters not at all." Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I loved TNG, and watched it every week until I left home and had no TV anymore (I missed the last 2 seasons). I loved watching re re-runs.
Then two things happened. One, I watched the entirety of Babylon 5 on TNT reruns. Two, I read How to Write Science Fiction and Fantasy by OSC.
Both of those threw TNG's flaws into high relief. I couldn't watch it anymore without cringing.
It's been a while now, and I enjoy TNG again. I got better. I still see the flaws, but it is enjoyable nonetheless.
Posted by MEC (Member # 2968) on :
TNG>DS9>STV=STE>ST
Posted by Yozhik (Member # 89) on :
I thought the abbreviation for Voyager was VOY?
Tom, what if I have a Lab mix named Seven-of-Nine?
Posted by Xaposert (Member # 1612) on :
quote:Bah. ANYONE who says they like Voyager -- at ALL -- is immediately demoted to "someone whose opinion matters not at all."
As done anyone who has such strong opinions on the relative worth of Star Trek series? Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Voyager was pretty terrible for a very long time (most Trek series take a couple of seasons to really hit their stride, admittedly, but for the longest time Voyager was just freaquin' awful. When they brought 7 of 9 on, I thought "good god, now they're resorting to putting a pair of breasts in high heels to boost their ratings", and stopped watching. Years later, my wife and I happened to start watching it again, and I was astounded to find that it had developed into a decent show, and that Jeri Ryan was actually an incredibly good actor who had done some great things with her character. It ended up being, in my mind, as good as Next Generation, although still inferior to the greatest of all Treks, DS9.
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
Blah... DS9... Babylon 5 ripoff.
Long live the Narn! Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Telperion -- would you care for some spoo? It's quite fresh.
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
Mmmmm.. Spoo...
The other blue meat.
Posted by UofUlawguy (Member # 5492) on :
Did Babylon 5 really get that much better after the first couple of seasons? The only episodes I saw were quite early on, and they, well, frankly they stunk. They were awful. They were exactly what gives Science Fiction a bad name. The makeup was bad, the writing was bad, the acting was bad, the aliens were totally unbelievable. The special effects were actually ok, but that doesn't make up for anything.
So how much did it really improve? In what ways did it become a good show?
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
Oh heck yah UofUlawguy!
My personal favorite season was #2 (lots of Narn Battlecruisers), but the best were seasons #3 and 4. Babylon 5 won the Hugo twice... beating Apollo 13 and ID4 to name two and many other top mainstream contenders in movies, books, and tv.
[ March 17, 2004, 05:35 PM: Message edited by: Telperion the Silver ]
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I'll grant that there were some abysmal episodes in season 1.
Also, Bab5 is so completely arc-driven, you can watch an excellent episode and not get that much out of it.
So you have to watch it all. I got started at the beginning of season 2, and watched the rest. Luckily, I had a friend that had seen most of season 1, so I wasn't completely lost.
When I think about it, I am amazed that it managed to hang on for 5 years.
Posted by Snarky (Member # 4406) on :
See, I watched Voyager religiously for at least five seasons (and still watched most episodes from the last two season), and I was always waiting for it to develop into a decent show. I never saw any such development. So many great plot threads were simply abandoned. What ever happened to the doctor's name? The Maqui-Starfleet tensions? Seven of Nine's Borg-Human tensions? The concept of crewmen hooking up and making babies? At least they stopped the whole "ooh, maybe we'll find a way home this week" thing. That gets old really fast.
And what in the name of all that is holy was up with the series finale? I have never in all my life seen a series finale so painfully bad. The whole episode sets up a lot of problems and then brings in the deus-ex-machina future Janeway to solve them all. And what was with Chakotay and Seven of Nine?! Is there a less likely couple in all of Star Trek?
[ March 17, 2004, 06:18 PM: Message edited by: Snarky ]
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
OK, I've resisted until now, but I'l give my thoughts about Voyager.
<Rant>
From the very beginning, she was a horrible captain. In the pilot, she blatantly breaks the prime directive in order to ------ in order to strand the entire ship on the other side of the galaxy!
And every other episode she is given the choice of:
1) Risk the entire ship with a dangerous ploy that will most likely result in all of their deaths in oreder to possibly save one or two crewmen or
2) Realize that there is probably no way to rescue those crewman, and that her responsibility is for the greater good.
Janeway ALWAYS chose option 1, and it ALWAYS worked out. ARRGGHH!!!!!!
</Rant>
Posted by MEC (Member # 2968) on :
I really didn't like the episode where janeway ordered telix seperated. And what's with the season finale? I often hear when people talk about it that they were stuck in the borg sphere at the end. In the finale I saw voyager blew up the sphere.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Star Trek (all but TOS) would be drastically improved if they removed all episodes centered on the following:
1) The Holodeck 2) Time Travel
Really, Star Trek has the worst time travel in sci-fi. It's it doesn't even try to be consistent or make sense.
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
Tom, the smiley at the end of your post does not remove the STING!!
*sticks tongue out at Tom*
I TOLD you that I liked TNG the best. Voyager DID get good and I will stand by my 2nd favorite Star Trek series.
Posted by Sopwith (Member # 4640) on :
Gotta agree with ya Sndrake, DS9 was the best Star Trek show.
Posted by pwiscombe (Member # 181) on :
quote:For those of us who love DS9 and haven't been able to see a single episode in years
You mean that episode where Sisko is having trouble relating to his son; Odo is spying on Quark who is planning some shady deal but is thwarted a dumb mistake by his brother; and Kira is torn between her loyalty to StarFleet and her hate of the Cardasssians?
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I might have seen that one. Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
quote: You mean that episode where Sisko is having trouble relating to his son; Odo is spying on Quark who is planning some shady deal but is thwarted a dumb mistake by his brother; and Kira is torn between her loyalty to StarFleet and her hate of the Cardasssians?
Those are a fair summary of the early episodes. Later episodes dealt with issues such as Kira coming to grips with the basic humanity of Cardassians, operating in an arena in which there were no ethically clear decisions to make, and the divided loyalties of Odo in a war of his people against the quadrant he called home. Not to mention a really great baseball game against a bunch of Vulcans. Posted by UofUlawguy (Member # 5492) on :
My favorite was the weird Sisko "flashback" (?) where the main characters all worked at a pulp science fiction magazine in the 1930's.
[ March 18, 2004, 12:12 PM: Message edited by: UofUlawguy ]
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
So when does DS9 start on Spike TV? I didn't find it on thier web page.
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
The difference between Star Trek TNG and Babylon 5.
Star Trek--Time Travel in Episode X shows future. Time Travel in Episode Y showes compeletly different future. Why?
B5-_Time Travel in Episodpe X shows future. The rest of the freaking series shows the inevitable path toward that future.
And when it arrives, as predicted, we are still surprised and impressed with how it was fulfilled.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
According to TV Tome, syndication will begin with an all-day marathon on April 5th! (Little blurb on bottom of page) The news is on a lot of trekkie sites.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Dan -- I keep agreeing with you on different threads.
I have only seen time travel dealt with in three ways that even begin to make sense.
1) Time travel is not possible. Period.
2) The act of traveling back in time creates the situation that leads you to go back in time. Essentially, the universe doesn't let you travel back in time if it will change things. This is what you see in Babylon 5.
3) Going back in time completely and irrevocably changes the universe starting at the point that you went back. This is what you see in Pastwatch.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
The point isn't always dealing with time travel in a way that makes sense, its dealing with time travel in a way that is interesting.
For instance, the trials and tribble-ations episode was absolutely hilarious, and wouldn't have been possible without the gloss of time travel.
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
Granted FUGU.
DS9 Did time travel much better than TNG.
the DS9 Tribbles was Star-Fan-Trek-tastic.
I wanted to shoot TNG when half of the last episodes involved time travel, and each totally ignored the revelations revealed in the others.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
I've never seen DS9, but I'd love to give it a chance, if I can watch it in arc order. When's it on?
If Spike starts showing B5 my life will be fulfilled.
Granted, B5 does suffer from a small budget and at times believability is sacraficed for making something sound heroic, but it still rules!
<--Just watched "Severed Dreams" yesterday Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I just saw the Spike TV ad, and I'll answer here my earlier question.
DS9 will start on April 5th.
Posted by MEC (Member # 2968) on :
I don't like any timetravel in shows simply because there are so many theories on what would happen.
Anyway, what's this "arc" format that you guys are talking about?
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
Does anyone else have to deal with Star Trek tensions in their household?
We have a truce in our house. I refrain from making remarks about Kate Mulgrew (Capt. Janeway) being from the "William Shatner School of Dramatic Understatement." She, on the other hand, keeps her cool when I say Ben Sisko had the best command style of any of the Star Trek bunch.
Still, occasionally, fights break out.
There's the controversy of the STNG and Wesley Crusher. I sometimes slip and say once again that the Enterprise would have saved itself a lot of grief if they'd tossed him out the airlock in the first episode.
Usually I don't end up sleeping on the couch.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
C and I occasionally argue about whether DS9 or Voyager is the better show, but both of us recognize the...dramatic shortcomings, shall we say, of both shows' captains.
[ March 18, 2004, 03:21 PM: Message edited by: Noemon ]
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
Arc:
Regular TV shows are short stories, each complete in its one hour self.
Arcs are televised novels in program format. They have a begining, middle, and end, each of which lasts for several shows. While each show is complete in of itself, the bigger story arcs throughout the season, or in the case of B5, througout all the seasons.
"24" is a good example of an Arc.
Posted by MEC (Member # 2968) on :
ok, are there different defined levels of arc shows? for example stargate sg-1 seems like it fits that format, however I can sit down and watch a single episode apart from the others and can undestand it. But if I tried watchiing an episode of farscape I would have no clue as to what was going on.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
Time for a bump.
Deep Space Nine Marathon tomorrow to kick off the occasion.
Got my 8-hour tape ready to put in the VCR so I can tape while I'm at work.
Posted by vwiggin (Member # 926) on :
I have never heard of Spike TV before.
I used to stay up until 4:30 am every Sunday evening/Monday morning to watch the only showing of DS9 on UPN (channel 13 in LA).
If this means I have to move to Canada, I will. Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
ARrrggg...my dorm has cable hookup but I don't have a TV. My house has a TV but no cable. The only TNG I get to watch is when the guys next door are watching it. I haven't seen DS9 since the finale was aired. Must...have...Star...Trek!
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
*makes note to purchase more 8-hour tapes*
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I am excited to give DS9 a chance. I haven't liked what I've seen, but I've never had a chance to give it a chance, if that makes any sense.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
*Promises to calm down a bit after today*
Wow, first Monday in a long time I jumped out of bed! I'll set up the tape now that I've had my coffee.
I can come home to the wonderful and dark world of Deep Space Nine. So like my own world on so many levels. Posted by Alexa (Member # 6285) on :
After seeing what DS9 did to Worf, I could never watch it again. I saw him spouting of love poetry and cringed. The best thing star trek ever produced, imo, is Q.
For that reason alone...well, and the studlyness of Picard, Next Generation will always rank on top for me. I must admit tho, the concept of DS9 was really cool.
Posted by vwiggin (Member # 926) on :
Worf did deliver the funniest line in ST history on DS9:
"It's something we don't discuss with outsiders"
Worf, explaining why the Original Series Klingons look nothing like him in Trials and Tribblilations.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
?
Worf has always had a soft side. That's nothing new.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
In my own opinion, it's also the most ethically and morally complex of the shows. On TNG, Picard was usually able to frame things pretty clearly in terms of "right" and "wrong."
In Deep Space Nine, the choices - especially in the later seasons - boil down to choosing among the least wrong or harmful ones.
Posted by vwiggin (Member # 926) on :
Yup yup.
My favorite episode is the one where Captain Sisko had to decide whether or not to lie to the Rumulans in order to get their support.
The whole issue regarding terrorism is very interesting as well. Marquis terrorist = bad? But what about Bajoran "freedom fighters" or the Cadassian "uprising"? How do you draw the line?
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
"The best thing star trek ever produced, imo, is Q."
You are dead to me, Alexa.
Posted by vwiggin (Member # 926) on :
Tom, I believe the word you are looking for is "Discommendation."
*turns back to Alexa*
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
I believe that one was called "Inter Enim Silen Legas" , which I probably mussed up the spelling horrendously in.
[ April 05, 2004, 10:51 AM: Message edited by: fugu13 ]
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
Today got even better.
A latino coworker came in with a huge pile of homemade tamales and hot sauce!
Another coworker asked me if they were "breakfast tamales."
I answered they were "breakfast tamales" (was eating at the time) in the same sense that the cold pizza he sometimes eats for breakfast on the weekend is "breakfast pizza."
Is this really Monday?
Posted by Alexa (Member # 6285) on :
Oh come on Tom, can you think of a better line then when Q asked Worf, "Eat any good books lately?" in ST?
I still laugh when I replay that line in my head. Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
*jumps up and down*
This is so much fun!
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
What is the episode where they get stuck in that weird alien game with the girl who does hopscotch?!
Seriously. Someone needs to im/call me when that one comes on. I absolutely cannot miss it.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
*chuckle*
The Chula episode won't be on for a while.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
So I'm watching the pilot. Again. I see now why I never got into this show the first time.
I'm sure it'll get better. Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
*loves Dukat. He's so smarmy!*
Move along home! That's what it was....
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
smarmy == lovable ???? Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
. Its a good pilot, they just have to set up a lot of details.
Pay particular attention to the characterizations.
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
Yes. I love smarmy characters.
He just needs a hug. Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Ohh! Pay attention to the 12-year-old CGI special effects for Otto!
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Favorite Worf moments:
"It is not time yet!" to O'Brien's wife when she is giving birth and the contraction is 1 minute ahead of schedule.
Taking the lute from Geordi and smashing it in the Q Robin Hood episode. The facial expressions on both were priceless.
Funny, none of my favorite moments with Worf were on DS9.
Dagonee
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
Man, Odo is so cool.
And Weyoun doesn't show up for a long time yet! That's gonna make it even _better_. So much smarminess.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
How long will this DS9 marathon continue?
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
forEVER!
Posted by SoberTillNoon (Member # 6170) on :
And I am missing it! Damn school! I don't need education when can be watching DS9!
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Dukat and Weyoun are two of the most complex villains on TV.
Garak is one of the best and most complex characters, period.
Sisko and so many others are just plain excellent.
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
Dukat and Weyoun are my favorites. They need hugs.
When does Kai Winn come in? She's so fun because I hate her!
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
The 9 hours a day of episodes goes on for the first week (MoTuWeThFr).
That takes it through the first two seasons and part of the third, I believe.
Then it continues every weekday at 7 pm with one episode, I believe, though you'd want to check on that.
Posted by SoberTillNoon (Member # 6170) on :
This could be because I am dyslexic, but who is Weyoun?
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
Weyoun is the genetically engineered Dominion lackey guy.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
She appears a long time before she becomes Kai, but I'm not sure when. Not too long into the series, maybe second or third season, I'd guess, though I could be very wrong.
Posted by SoberTillNoon (Member # 6170) on :
Oh, okay. I never paid enough attention to what his name was. I just figured that I would pick it up sooner or later somewhere else. And here I am.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
I think you'll see Kai Winn today. One of the first episodes dealt with Kiko wanting to open a school. It's Winn who leads the opposition to the school, as I recall. Bajoran politics gets dirty very early.
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
Those silly Bajorans....
Posted by AeroB1033 (Member # 6375) on :
DS9 was absolutely the best of the Trek series, in characterization, story, and complexity. I'm so glad it's finally been syndicated on cable, thank God for SpikeTV.
Oh, and about this:
quote:Then two things happened. One, I watched the entirety of Babylon 5 on TNT reruns. Two, I read How to Write Science Fiction and Fantasy by OSC.
Both of those threw TNG's flaws into high relief. I couldn't watch it anymore without cringing.
BAH! OSC was talking about the original Star Trek (somehow I doubt he ever watched much of the spinoffs, based on his dislike of the original series), and most of the flaws he pointed out were corrected in the later shows. TNG, I agree, was uneven a lot of the time--mostly in the first two seasons, and the odd crappy episode later on--but it was mostly an excellent show. And the captain didn't go down on every away mission (or almost any away mission, for that matter). It is, in fact, remarkable how well they handled keeping him in the action without resorting to unbelievable, ridiculous stuff like with Kirk in the original series.
Anyway, rant mode off. DS9 has actual story arcs, and I find the characters to be even more appealing than the ones in TNG. The chemistry between each and every member of the cast is just... incredible. Like any show, it had its ups and downs, but I think it had more of the former than the latter.
Shame Voyager and Enterprise didn't live up to the high standards set by DS9. Voyager was crap on a stick, and Enterprise was Voyager with worse technology, until this season (which has seen a marked improvement in the show).
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I know that OSC was talking about TOS, but in reading it, most of it applied just as well to TNG.
No, the *captain* didn't go down on the planet most times -- it was always the 2nd in command with serveral other members of the bridge crew. Out of the top 8 officers, it was not unusual to have 4 of them off on an alien planet risking their lives.
[ April 05, 2004, 01:39 PM: Message edited by: mr_porteiro_head ]
Posted by Chris Kidd (Member # 2646) on :
I liked the DS9 episode when Sisko Punched Q. the look on Q's face was priceless. I wonder what would happen if Picard did that the first time Q shoed up.
<~~~ Q
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Another thing that really bothered me about TNG was that humans did not act human. Normal human tendencies like violence, greed, jealousy, were mostly delegated to other races -- klingons, ferengi, etc.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
One thing that I have heard is that DS9 isn't like that so much. That's one of the reasons that I am so interested in watching it.
Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
We've been renting each DS9 disc through NetFlix for a couple of months now, and we're up to season 4. It's such a nerdy indulgence for us. I love how minor secondary and tertiary characters resurface episodes apart, and how rarely they just throw away plot devices. They even incorporate stuff that some of the other series dropped, like the Riker clone, and some transporter accident from TOS has been heavily used in two episodes now.
<---- nerd.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
OK, I've got to say that I like Garek.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Garak is the most complex character. He rules.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I don't know anything that happens with him. I just know that I like the little that I've seen. He's one of the few characters that I would like to meet.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
You'll like him throughout.
A number of the characters become more approachable througout the series. Bashir and Kira in particular stop being caricatures.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
Well, I like Garak, too. But I would be real particular about the context in which I met him. Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Well, you know him better than I do.
Kira becomes tolerable? I'll believe that when I see it. Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
Kira and Bashir both become much more than tolerable over time. Rom was another one, but he was also pretty peripheral at first. Of all the characters, they probably suffered the worst from "false starts."
Still, all in all, there was better character development in the first episode of DS9 than in the first episode of TNG. It really took a full two seasons for TNG to find its way.
I had a chance last year to review the first couple of seasons of DS9 and was amazed at how quickly they moved the characters and plot along.
I was also amazed at how much they forgot about character development when Voyager was launched. (Touchy subject in our house.)
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
She becomes very tolerable .
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
In an age of replicators, why does everybody want gold-pressed latinum?
Posted by vwiggin (Member # 926) on :
You answered your question. It is because that is the one thing that cannot be replicated.
My favorite Garak quote:
Bashir: All those stories you told me, which one of them is true?
Garak: They are all true.
Bashir: Even the lies?
Garak: Especially the lies.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
But what is it used for? Does it have any value except for its scarcity?
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
You're lucky there are no Ferengis here - they'd just laugh scornfully at your question.
Yeah - the scarcity is what makes it precious. Same thing as gold, which is a pretty metal, but maybe no prettier than some cheaper metals.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Nor particularly. Of course, gold had little "practical" use for most of history except for being used as money.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I think it's funny that in TNG they make such a big deal about how they no longer have money in their society, and then in DS9 they have currency just like we do.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
I think there's a distinction, though. The claims about abolition of a monetary system are specific to the federation (doesn't explain how or why Sisko's father operates a restaurant on earth).
On DS9, there are plenty of non-Federation cultures to deal with - Bajorans, Ferengi and Klingons, for example. And they all seem to have some sort of capitalist thing going for them.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
The Federation is what is said to not have money.
Though we hear of "credit" and such at times, its never solidly established that the Federation does use money, at least that I recall.
Posted by vwiggin (Member # 926) on :
I think Federation citizens use "credits" to measure the amount of replicator/transporter energy they use. Generally most people will have more than enough. I think if you need extra energy use, you have to request for more.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Ooh, time for the tower of babel episode .
Posted by vwiggin (Member # 926) on :
In TNG, that's EVERY time when Jordi and/or Data has to explain some static warp shell crap.
Me tune out when they talkie techie.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I hear you about the techno-babble.
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
I thought the Gold Pressed Latinum was used in Self Actuating Stem Bolts.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Posted by vwiggin (Member # 926) on :
"Self Actuating" stem bolts? Maybe Data will try to communicate with it and protect it as a new, distantly-related sentient race.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
I think the deflector dish on the Enterprise is the modern-day equivalent of deus ex machina. Is there anything it can't do? Besides the laundry.
Dagonee
Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
After the great Futurama parody of Star Trek, I couldn't believe it when I actually heard Dax use the "too much air in a balloon!" metaphor last week.
"Like a balloon, when something bad happens!"
Posted by vwiggin (Member # 926) on :
It can't improve Marina Sirtis's acting, for one.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
That's another thing about DS9 - as dark as the overall story arc would get, there was still a place for humor and play. At least humor that was more noticeable to me than on TNG.
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
Was Dax bisexual?
Posted by Beren One Hand (Member # 3403) on :
Dax, the worm has no gender, I don't think. They adopt the gender of their hosts, but then they also remember the love interests of their previous hosts.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
*spoilers* . . . .
I think the first female-female kiss I ever saw on TV was when Dax's host made out with the host of a symbiont that Dax had been married to in a previous life. Of course, I was so into the plot of the show that I didn't realize until much later (possibly someone had to point it out to me) that it was a homosexual kiss. Anyhow, my point is that yes, the symbionts don't really have gender and despite that kiss Jadzia is straight. By the way, the host before Jadzia was Curzon, whom Sisko knew. This is why Sisko calls Dax "Old Man." . . . . . *End Spoilers
[ April 05, 2004, 09:24 PM: Message edited by: Shigosei ]
Posted by Beren One Hand (Member # 3403) on :
You beautiful, magnificient DS9 nerds. I *heart* you!
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
It was at least one of the first, and possibly the first, homosexual kiss on primetime television in a show that didn't focus on homosexuality.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
quote: Dax, the worm has no gender
True, but it certainly looks like Dax got plenty of sex through its hosts. Posted by vwiggin (Member # 926) on :
Dax's most famous partner:
"Wooo, I remember him. I thought he had the hands of a surgeon."
Dax is so hot, she could kiss a clydesdale and I wouldn't notice the difference.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Edit: This is a spoiler
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Doesn't Jadsia get replaced with a shorter, more annoying host for Dax? About when does this happen?
[ April 06, 2004, 12:11 AM: Message edited by: mr_porteiro_head ]
Posted by vwiggin (Member # 926) on :
*big spoilers*
I think at the end of season 6? Ferrel wanted to leave the show so they had her replaced in a rather unflattering way.
The new Dax isn't bad. They just didn't have enough time left to develop her character. Not her fault.
I think they should've put Dax into Jake. Jake wasn't doing much at the last couple of seasons. This will give a whole new meaning to the term, "old man."
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I am *soooo* not used to alerting for spoilers. I figure that if you don't want spoilers concerning ds9, you should be reading about it in the first place.
Posted by vwiggin (Member # 926) on :
eh... Yours wasn't really a spoiler. You were asking a question, and wasn't really making a direct, positive statement.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
Got to see a couple of the shows. I remember what caught me right away about the show, in spite of some of the flaws in some of the characters.
I thought a Starfleet officer who used overt blackmail in the very first show to get a Ferengi to serve the greater good was someone I wanted to watch more.
I also think that the relationship between Ben Sisko and his son was a real departure for the Star Trek universe - the open expressions of affection were refreshing.
Lots of other stuff too - but it's early and I haven't finished my first cup of coffee yet.
Edited: too early to type without significant errors as well.
[ April 06, 2004, 07:26 AM: Message edited by: sndrake ]
Posted by IdemosthenesI (Member # 862) on :
Don't worry about that. A lot of people blackmail Quark. :-D I'm sure Odo does it hundreds of times. Ahh. Gotta love Odo. Rene Auberjonois is also a fairly frequent reader on NPR's Selected Shorts. Plus, Avery Brooks who plays Sisko was in American History X.
I thought I was completely over Star Trek, since I haven't seen so much as an episode in about four years (except the terrible Voyager Finale, which I watched for old times' sake) but when I heard this was coming on, I have to admit I was entirely too excited for my own good. Now I've spent the last two days geeking out.
DAMY YOU SPIKEtv!!!
Posted by AeroB1033 (Member # 6375) on :
quote:I think the deflector dish on the Enterprise is the modern-day equivalent of deus ex machina. Is there anything it can't do? Besides the laundry.
Too true :-D Technically, it's supposed to 'deflect' space debris, micrometeorites, and generally keep the ship from being torn to pieces the first time they go to quarter impulse, but in practice they seem to use it for every problem that doesn't have another solution...
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
Indeed.
I believe the technology has supplanted the use of metal and electric razors.
I think the technique was discovered by an engineer who was late for a formal event and needed an emergency shave.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I've looked, but I cannot find any site with intact DS9 episode synopsis. I want to know what I missed yesterday afternoon. What was the deal with O'Brian talking weird? I must know!!
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
It was code.
A Cardassian spy broke the pig-latin code, so they resorted to drastic measures.
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
Mmmmmmm... Obsidian Order...
Long live the Cardassian Union! I think the Cardassian ships are cool as heck. Neat culture too... in a creapy sort of totalitarian way...
[ April 06, 2004, 01:08 PM: Message edited by: Telperion the Silver ]
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
In retrospect, the Obsidian Order had it right when it came to the Founders.
Even a sinisterly broken clock is right twice a day. (But if anyone tells you which two times, they'll have to kill you.)
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
*snort* ----spoilers----
MPH -- it was an episode with a virus that caused aphasia.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
quote:Don't worry about that. A lot of people blackmail Quark. :-D I'm sure Odo does it hundreds of times.
Oh, yeah - at least one person bribes, blackmails or threatens Quark every other episode or so.
But the first one to do it was the Starfleet Commander! I was impressed. It took a year or two before TNG had Riker do that to someone and Sisko was much better at it the very first time.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
(((sndrake))) I used to be a major DS9 fan. But I don't have cable. Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
pooka,
I think it's you and not me who needs the hugs.
I do have cable and about 15 episodes of DS9 in order on tape by now.
I am sorry you don't have the same opportunity.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Oh, the hug was because your thread was the victim of random acts of dobieness and senseless fluff.
Posted by Beren One Hand (Member # 3403) on :
Quark deserves it though. My favorite Quark moment was when he hacked into the DS9 computer and started broadcasting commercials on the offical frequency. Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
I remember that one! "Come to Quark's! Don't walk, run!" And Worf's prune juice came out in a Quark's mug...
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
quote: Oh, the hug was because your thread was the victim of random acts of dobieness and senseless fluff.
Stuff and nonsense. You needn't count me in with people who were put out by the dobieness - I kinda hoped my one post on the topic was clear on that.
As I am about to demonstrate, I am perfectly capablle of brazenly and selfishly bumping a thread of mine I think is getting neglected.
Speaking of which - 18 episodes on tape now!!
Woohooo!!!
*should label the latest tape before I go to bed*
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
The current episode reminds me of one of my big beefs with Star Trek -- how it deals with religion. It seems that in the star trek univers, all religious people are either power-hungry monsters, close-minded zealots, or blind sheep. Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
Stick around, the series offers other options as well. One of the most thoughtful Bajoran characters in the series is yet to come - and he's a Kai. Not to forget the original Kai who identified Sisko as the Emissary - she wasn't any of the above, either.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Uh, you might want to review the first few episodes.
----minor early spoilers----
wisest and most important person on bajor: the religious leader.
the emissary of the Gods: Sisko (though he's skeptical).
And then later: ----major spoilers for late seasons----
Sisko is convinced about religion and becomes a "saint" of sorts in the very end. We see evil personified, and Sisko defeats it in an act of selflessness.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Like I've said, I don't know much about DS9. This episode seems better than TNG in that regard.
That was one thing that I liked about B5. It seemed obvious that it was written by an athiest, but at it showed respect for religions and religious people.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Well, in this episode, only one or two religious people weren't dorks. The rest were.
But still, that's progress.
Posted by IdemosthenesI (Member # 862) on :
If I see one more commercial for Enzyte, natural male enhancement...
Posted by Beren One Hand (Member # 3403) on :
I think DS9 does a terrific job of portraying religious people.
Kira is probably the most "real" religious character I have ever seen on television. Her religious beliefs influence almost every aspect of her decision making. Kira takes her religion seriously and draws strength from it. Too many other shows portray religious people as merely "turn the other cheek" saps or "faith will conquer all" zealots. Kira is more complex than that.
I also liked how all the characters eventually stopped referring to the wormhole entities as "prophets" instead of "aliens."
[ April 07, 2004, 02:54 PM: Message edited by: Beren One Hand ]
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Maybe they figure that all the geeks out there watching Star Trek need more, um, self esteem.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
The geeks are fine. After all, we all are pretty good at conserving our strength for important matters - like lifting donuts from the boxes to our mouths.
It's the steroid athletes that end up needing help with uh.. self-esteem.
Posted by Beren One Hand (Member # 3403) on :
I only got 19 right. Missed one trick question through sheer carelessness. You'll know the one I'm talking about. Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
mph -- episodes are only an hour long (minus ads). If they've got a plot revolving around religious fanatics, the religious fanatics are going to be the center of the episode and there won't be time for much else.
Not having equal time for even minded religious people in the same episode isn't an agenda, or even something that should be changed. Its just a natural consequence of the format when applied to the basic plot of the particular episode.
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
You have to admit that the 1st season is REALLY annoying. I'm sick of the first season!! Where is Kira's better hair?
When do Kira and Odo finally hook up?
When do the writers get over their obsession with the Ferengi???
When do the actors finally learn to gyrate realistically when the floor is supposed to be shaking?
When When??? Please tell me this season will be over soon!
Posted by Fitz (Member # 4803) on :
When do Kira and Odo finally hook up?
Be prepared to wait a long time.
When do the writers get over their obsession with the Ferengi???
There are Ferengi episodes througout the series.
When do the actors finally learn to gyrate realistically when the floor is supposed to be shaking?
Never.
When When??? Please tell me this season will be over soon!
The first season ended a while ago. In fact, the third season just started today.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
First, the good news (good news for me):
I have the first 47 episodes of DS9 all on tape! Labeled!
The bad news:
Spike TV is apparently going to start running DS9 once per day - starting from the beginning! That means new shows (season 3) won't show up for about ten weeks!
It gets worse. On Fridays, they'll be airing "DS9 Uncut" - which will be two-episode arcs of DS9 played back-to-back. But they'll be played completely out of sequence!
Grrr. (Promising myself I won't watch shows out of sequence, but knowing I'll wimp out on that promise.)
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
heh heh!! I've seen all three of the series out of sequence. It does get confusing. (we have all 8 seasons of TNG on tape. )
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
ARGH!!!!! I thought that spike was being really smart and getting the lame first 2 episodes out of the way in one week, and then going on with the rest. But they are starting back over? What a crap! Posted by digging_holes (Member # 6237) on :
quote: [...] (we have all 8 seasons of TNG on tape. )
There is no smiley green enough to convey the intense jealousy I feel.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
How did you manage to get the secret eighth season? Paramount is still denying that it even exists!
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
*takes quiz*
*slinks off*
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
Well, they've moved the show all over the schedule, but I've actually managed to tape almost all the episodes. And now we're down to the final season - and they're showing two episodes a day in sequence!
Reacquainted myself with what may be my favorite Garak quote of all. Sisko enlists Garak's help in getting the Romulans to break their alliance with the dominion. Garak engineers the death of a Romulan Senator and makes it look like the Dominion did it, Sisko storms into the tailor shop and hits him.
Garak's response:
quote:"That's why you came to see me--isn't it, Captain? Because you knew I could do those things you weren't capable of doing. Well, it worked! And you'll get what you want - a war between the Romulans and the Dominion. And if your conscience is bothering you, you should soothe it with the knowledge that you may have just saved the entire Alpha Quadrant, and all it cost was the life of one Romulan senator, one criminal, and the self-respect of one Starfleet officer. I don't know about you, but I'd call that a bargain."
Diane is a little troubled by just how much I like Garak. Posted by zip (Member # 4710) on :
I love Garik too. Did you ever read the book stitch in time? it was written by the guy who played Garik, kind of filled in his back story, really good book imo.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
Zip,
Yes! "A Stitch in Time" is one of the few novels in the Star Trek franchise that stands out very distinctly for me. Most of the other books just get remembered as a general fuzzy mess - like much of my memory.
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