[Edited to add]: If your feelings are easily hurt, you might want to avoid this thread.
If you think Graemlin threads are lame, if you refuse to post in a thread that says 'everyone has to post here', if you thought the bump thread was a waste of pixels on your monitor, this is the thread for you.
Feel free to sit in here and scowl at people who like such fluff.
While you are here, debate the following grinchy topic:
Why, no matter how lame the person is, and how uninteresting their hatrack career has been, will anyone who posts a stupid 'I am leaving' thread get dozens of hatrackers to say 'please don't go!'
Why can't we ever just let people leave? Some people are not all that cool. On a related note, whiney self indulgent 'you guys are all like this, but I'm different' threads will also garner undeserved sympathy.
Is hatrack too sympathetic for its own good?
Discuss.
[ March 17, 2004, 05:06 AM: Message edited by: Slash the Berzerker ]
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
Finally, a thread for ME!
I think I can count myself lucky that I have never been so incredibly, miserably sad that I could benefit from starting a thread with a single as the first post, and waiting for people to <<<<<<Dog>>>>>> me.
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
I too wonder at the therapeutic benefits of having my screen nick wrapped in ((((())))).
Posted by fiazko (Member # 5812) on :
quote: Why, no matter how lame the person is, and how uninteresting their hatrack career has been, will anyone who posts a stupid 'I am leaving' thread get dozens of hatrackers to say 'please don't go!'
Thanks, Slash. I'll remember never to do this.
*continues with uninteresting Hatrack career*
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
If you never make an 'I am leaving' thread, you are miles ahead of the game, Fiazko. You get style points just for that.
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
Oh, is it parentheses? I never bothered to find out. I don't think I have ever parenthesized anyone in my entire tenure here.
But back to one of the earlier subjects. Letting people leave Hatrack. Don't you think it might actually be good for us, in a natural selection sort of way, to simply let those of us who are too whiny and self-centered to survive in the wild simply die off when their time comes?
Of course, I'm one of the sympathetic culprits myself, now and then. As much as I wanted to dropkick [name removed] when they freaked during the gay marriage debate, I felt kind of responsible for pissing them off that much, and thought they at least deserved to make such a weighty decision in an unbiased, no-longer-holding-a-grudge-against-Geoff manner.
Posted by Richard Berg (Member # 133) on :
I didn't post a goodbye thread when I left. For that, thou shalt {{hug}} me!
(I posted one at Ars, but it was intentionally obscure.)
Posted by fiazko (Member # 5812) on :
I was about to defend the "I am leaving" posts, but now that I think about it, you guys have a point. The departure posts that get the "Don't go" replies seem to come from people leaving for "I didn't get my way" reasons, while more legitimate "I've got to take a break from Hatrack" threads get more responses like "We'll miss you/Come back soon."
Being one of the more incidental posters, I don't necessarily want to perpetuate the heirarchy that is Hatrack, but sometimes it's nice to know when the more established members are taking a hiatus so that we don't suddenly get a bunch of "Where is this person?" threads.
But that's me.
P.S. I will accept the style points, Slash, because I wouldn't bother with an "I'm leaving" thread if I ever did leave, and because that bit about the Hatrack heirarchy was crap. I want to be among the chosen. *resists the urge to insert a most unwelcome graemlin*
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
Dog, there have been several occasions when someone posted a 'I am leaving' thread, and I was thrilled. Good riddance, I said. Then looked in the thread to find that all the softies had come out to beg the person to stay.
I swear, you could be a penguin raping mass murderer and ex ceo of enron, and if you post a thread about leaving because no one likes you, people will beg you to stay.
I like your comparing it to natural selection. Some zebras need to be eaten by the lions.
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
You know, I am perfectly OK with hiatus threads. I did one before I went on my driving tour of the US, and I've seen lots of other people do them for a variety of reasons. I consider it the BB equivilent of leaving a note of the fridge that says 'be back soon'.
Graemlins for the purpose of expressing a legitimate feeling in the context of a post is ok. Threads devoted to graemlins just irritate the grinches.
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
I can't complain about graemlin use, since I throw into my posts like I think they're on fire and will put them out. Slash has it right. It when graemlins outnumber coherent thoughts, rather than mitigating them, that I begin to get annoyed.
Posted by fiazko (Member # 5812) on :
Ah, I see. For reference, I never considered Slash and Dog to be that grinchy, at least not compared to others who shall remain nameless.
[edit because Dog posted and my post looked dumb]
[ March 17, 2004, 05:10 AM: Message edited by: fiazko ]
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
See, what do you do with something like [link removed]? Clearly the poster is very, very distressed. I want to say something helpful, but I have nothing to go on. So I'm left deciding whether to ((())) this person, or make fun of them. But I'm morally opposed to the former, and as far as I can tell, the latter might lead to an immediate act of self-mutilation on their part.
Why don't I get this? Is it something to do with being male?
Edit: Lalo reminded me that I have softie blood, so I removed the link that pointed out exactly who was mystifying me at this moment.
[ March 17, 2004, 05:16 AM: Message edited by: A Rat Named Dog ]
Posted by Lalo (Member # 3772) on :
Okay, Geoff, I gotta know. Who's [name removed]? As far as I know, the only people you actively dislike on Hatrack are the two Eddies, and since I posted only twice in that thread -- once to start it, and once in a response to Dagonee -- you can't be talking about me. And I'm not entirely sure Frisco got involved in the thread at all. Who are you accusing of freaking out in the marriage thread?
Slash, I'm only half-grinch. I have a long and notable career of actively fighting the emoticon-intensive threads, but I've started far too many whiny, self-indulgent, wah-wah-lookit-me threads to earn a place among the highest tier of cynics on Hatrack. Though, to my credit, I did post a "Don't... Door... Hit... Out..." when whoever it was posted the latest everyone-hates-me-I'm-leaving-forever-goodbye thread.
Then an administrator deleted it.
That's right, Geoff, in whose veins runs the softie blood?
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
I think I'll let you stew over it The person in question quickly deleted their departure thread, so I felt it would be unfair to single them out by name. It's not someone that I dislike, it's just someone that I got very, very frustrated with.
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
In response to Geoff's query:
I find that those posts usually come from teenage girls.
No offense (well, maybe some offense), but teenage girls like drama and mystery and attention. A post like that is mysterious and dramatic, and forces people to pay attention to you, since they now have to beg you for information. I shudder now to think back on the inane things I said as a teenager. The desparate need for attention at that age makes us all silly.
Teenage boys: "Dude, I am such a stud, I totally score with chicks all the time. And I kick ass at [current cool activity]. Pay attention to me."
Teenage girls: "My life is so dramatic. But I can't talk about it! It's personal and my friend would kill me if I told. *sigh* But it's totally dramatic. Pay attention to me."
[ March 17, 2004, 05:20 AM: Message edited by: Slash the Berzerker ]
Posted by Lalo (Member # 3772) on :
Well, that narrows it down. Someone you were frustrated with in a homosexual equality thread.
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
Eddie, it got deleted?
That sucks! Though even knowing that someone posted something like that makes me feel warm and fuzzy.
Posted by Chaeron (Member # 744) on :
Bah, just what we need, another dumb fluff thread. You're part of the problem, you big dumb lizard.
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
I think a legitimate issue is being discussed here.
Posted by Jeni (Member # 1454) on :
Goodbye threads are the worst. I'd rather have just about anyone at Hatrack stay here, of course, but I'm not one to sob about how much I want someone I barely know to stay. I've learned to stop complaining about how lame goodbye threads are in them, though, as that usually leads to trouble. Now I stick to my policy of ignoring them unless I personally know the poster and actually want them to stay.
Geoff, threads like the one you linked to irritate the heck out of me, because I just can't figure out any constructive response to them. So once again, I just let them be.
Greamlin threads deserve to be hijacked by forum grinches.
Posted by fiazko (Member # 5812) on :
There's always the "If you don't like what the thread's about, ignore it" argument.
Posted by Chaeron (Member # 744) on :
Yeah, but I felt like saying that. I pretty much agree with what's being said here. Time for some spring cleaning. Some chlorine for the meme pool.
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
Dude, Slash, you should have seen me tonight playing Battlefield: Vietnam. I kicked ass. And I totally score all the time.
Lalo, I was going to deny that I ever disliked an Eddie. But then I remembered that you're pestering me to tell you something I have very good reasons not to tell you. Egad, you're annoying. But at least you don't brag to everyone on the board about dating my sister.
[tries to weigh Eddies on a scale; gets flustered]
EDITED TO PEPPER WITH SMILIES
[ March 17, 2004, 05:32 AM: Message edited by: A Rat Named Dog ]
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
Heck, who hasn't dated your sister?
Or is it the bragging you object to?
[fights urge to put in smiley with all his will]
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
I'm enjoying the irony of all the self-correction and blow-softening I'm doing to my posts in a thread that's all about how we shouldn't do that stuff
[ March 17, 2004, 05:32 AM: Message edited by: A Rat Named Dog ]
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
I want to start a betting pool:
I bet that by noon tomorrow (after the rest of hatrack wakes up and sees this thread), at least three people will have been genuinely offended by it.
I'm taking three. Any other bets?
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
You know what would be the best thing ever? If someone gets so offended that they leave Hatrack, and they DON'T post a goodbye thread. That's mission accomplished, right there.
Posted by Lalo (Member # 3772) on :
To be perfectly honest, Geoff, "softening" an insult with an emoticon seems little more than a cheap cop-out for people without enough spine to stand behind their own accusations. Why use them at all?
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
Hmmm...
Now if someone I really like totally vanishes, I will always wonder if it was me.
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
So far, this thread is offensive to Lalo, Frisco, [name removed], and [link removed], entirely because of me. I really don't think you're holding up your end, Slash.
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
Lalo, what exactly are you being accused of? I must have missed it.
No one wants in the betting pool?
(Though if Eddie goes on much longer on Geoff, I am going to claim him as the first offended person, and then I only need two more to win)
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
Lalo, if you missed the irony in those smilies, I think you're taking my entire position in this thread way too seriously.
The inability to laugh at oneself is a serious character flaw, in my opinion. You and I could probably get an awesome, entertaining banter going if you weren't so darn serious all the time
[ March 17, 2004, 05:45 AM: Message edited by: A Rat Named Dog ]
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
Oh, I think I did some good work on [link removed].
You could offend Lalo by tying your shoes, so that's hardly a victory. Frisco never gets offended by anything. And until you tell me who [name removed] is, I am not letting you count them.
[ March 17, 2004, 05:43 AM: Message edited by: Slash the Berzerker ]
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
Let's just say they've got a name ... and it's been removed ... [wink, nudge]
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
I think Stryker just posted in Cal's "post once" thread entirely to annoy us.
Posted by Lalo (Member # 3772) on :
Heh. That reminds me, Ty, don't we have a long-overdue boxing match to honor? How about when I hit Portland on the bike, somewhere in June?
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
You've got to do it sometime when I can watch.
Posted by Lalo (Member # 3772) on :
I also owe a fight to Baldar, as I recall...
Man, heh, you know this is a good forum when you get death threats from political arguments...
Posted by Lalo (Member # 3772) on :
You like to watch men go at it, eh?
Now I see you've just been toying with me all these years in homosexual equality threads...
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
Yes! A joke! Slash, I think our thread is getting somewhere!
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
Holy crap, why am I still up? I need to wake up to make a flight an hour from now. Hm. Guess I'm not sleeping tonight Posted by Richard Berg (Member # 133) on :
I posted here an hour ago and already you guys have more [edits] than Jayson Blair. Then again, recently returned or not, I'm far above worrying about petty newbie matters.
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
Death threats?
You must be refering to Baldar then.
Posted by Lalo (Member # 3772) on :
No kidding this thread's getting us somewhere.
Now that you've admitted your preference to watch, Geoff, let's explore what else this means in regards to your sexuality. Have you ever lusted for a lovable, furry team mascot?
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
Who hasn't?
Posted by Lalo (Member # 3772) on :
Yeah, only Baldar's sent them explicitly, though I hear a fight with you is also a threat of quick, painful death.
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
I don't know, our local mascot is a hairy giant named Squatch. I think that regardless of any strange preference you might cite in me, I could never seriously want a person named Squatch.
Posted by Godric (Member # 4587) on :
::opens link, walks in::
So that's when Cindy Lou Who says to Santa Claus, "...don't forget the Grinch. I know he's mean and hairy and smelly, and his hands are cold and clammy, but I think he's kinda... sweet."
::looks around::
Oops! Wrong thread!
::backs out slowly -- departs in a run::
Posted by Proteus (Member # 794) on :
Damn now I almost feel guilty about considering a...it's my fourth Hatrack birthday today post....Love me! Love me! That's the great thing about being here so long and posting so infrequently no-one knows you (except maybe Tom, he knows everyone) so if you leave , no-one cares. So you don't post a "I'm leaving" thread - you just go, and then come back...and repeat.
Posted by kacard (Member # 200) on :
I've never given a hug in my entire tenure as adminstrator (that I can remember) though I love the hug threads. But I think I just have to make an exception here:
{{{{{Dog}}}}} {{{{{Slash}}}}}
Hope that makes you both feel better and have happy, perky, charming days
[ March 17, 2004, 07:21 AM: Message edited by: kacard ]
Posted by J T Stryker (Member # 6300) on :
I can't find the "every one must post" thread to remember what I said, but I’m sure it showed my true colors. And I'm in on that pool you mentioned, but I’m betting more like 6 or 7 people will be offended.
quote: Teenage boys: "Dude, I am such a stud, I totally score with chicks all the time. And I kick ass at [current cool activity]. Pay attention to me."
Is it my fault that I am stud? In fact, I am the stud, the stud in the wall that holds the door that my dignity just left through due to my posting on this thread.
Edit: I thought i should add the quote for dramatic effect.
[ March 17, 2004, 07:39 AM: Message edited by: J T Stryker ]
Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
I think Slash lowballed his estimate. But, while Stryker is closer to the actual number not that many people will post about being offended by it.
I can, however, count on 4 members to complain about the thread, in the thread. So my vote *would* be 4, except now that we're taking votes people aren't going to want to say they were offended, because they know people are waiting for it.
But now they I know that I know that, so maybe they'll post anyway...
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
Kristine, you are fantastic!
I'm still chuckling.
No matter how much cynicism and grinchiness you post Geoff, I guess genetics will out...
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Hey, Slash - wanna fight again?
Posted by Jacare Sorridente (Member # 1906) on :
SLash offended me so badly in this thread that I am leaving. That gives him another point on his bet.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
When I read the first post, I almost turned around and left as quickly as possible. See, I DO get my feelings hurt easily and this is probably a good place for it to happen. But I couldn't let this go, because it's just so utterly lame that I had to say something.
quote: I think I can count myself lucky that I have never been so incredibly, miserably sad that I could benefit from starting a thread with a single as the first post, and waiting for people to <<<<<<Dog>>>>>> me.
I really don't even feel like defending myself on this, and I'm not going to. I have nothing to defend. But I do feel like busting your cojones about it because I'm amazed at YOU more than anyone else, and I think you know better than this. AND if you'll notice, I immediately posted in that thread, trying to explain how I felt, and when I realized that I wouldn't be able to, I quickly deleted the thread. You're not the only one who doesn't benefit from thread like that.
quote: See, what do you do with something like [link removed]? Clearly the poster is very, very distressed. I want to say something helpful, but I have nothing to go on.
You do exactly what you did, which was nothing. Oh wait, it WAS nothing, until you brought it up here and decided to make big deal out of an occurance that was, and still is, extremely painful for me. See, I really could care less if people here know that it was me that started the pitiful thread you're talking about. Heck, my name was on it. But just because YOU didn't understand what was going on or how to respond, that doesn't mean that my feelings were invalidated by that. I'm actually really GLAD my feelings aren't invalidated by your response and Slash's because obviously you guys are pillars that nothing can shake, and you've never allowed something to depress you to the point of not really knowing WHAT to do, but you'll try anything that might make a difference.
And I think it shows alot how you guys feel about Hatrack. Maybe you think it's sad to have a support group of people you've never met. Maybe you can't fathom the idea that there are people here who care about me, and people that I genuinely care about.
I find that really sad. I pity you.
And maybe you should consider the fact that the person who started that thread has NEVER talked about her "feelings" at this forum before, other than anger, never goes to the hug thread, and very, very rarely uses those parentheses around people's names. It's possible that she wasn't waiting around for (((PSI))), but instead was really hoping for some meaningful discussion that might help her sort out her feelings, but realized a bit too late that she was more likely to get backlash in the form described above.
What do you know, I guess I DID defend myself in a way. Oh well.
I really only sort of cared about the fact that you brought this up here, this being that thread for people with nothing better to do than gripe, which is even LESS useful than threads full of smilies. Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
Am I grinchy enough? Does it count if you judiciously hug, and post in "What music do you like" threads?
I wouldn't want to step on anyone's toes toes presuming as much. --
Oh, Dog, guess what? Yeah, I still have a grudge. You jerk. And my username is Bokonon, not [name removed], though considering you are such a jerk, you probably didn't notice the difference in spelling. --
Slash, I'm personally offended that you would think anyone is personally offended. For real. --
This thread has given me a better idea for a thread than Jacare's dumb one (I hear that Jacare has posted in the "last post" threads before).
-Bok
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
Oh, and personally? I think it's just "that time" for both Slash and Dog. Much like when you get a household full of women, you put two uber-geeks in the same state, and they get synchronized.
-Bok
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
quote: uninteresting their hatrack career has been
I guess we're waiting for the person who's first post is a "Goodbye" post.
Any takers?
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Oh, I think ALL women are already synchronized. Most of the trouble in the world is caused by the fact that women go haywire all at once. It's why more babies are born on the full moon. As the L and D nurses, they can't explain why, but they'll agree (most of them) that it's true.
(Can I girl up this thread anymore? Maybe I should get more in-depth about periods and "feelings".)
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I have three interjections.
1. What is L and D? This is the second reference. The first time I figured it was Life and Death, but that doesn't seem to apply.
2. I love Kristine.
--and--
3. Slash is a bezerker in general but a cupcake in person. The jury is still out on Geoff, because while I sense a sense of humor lurking in there and that's positive, I remember him being rude to me when we met. No conclusion.
[ March 17, 2004, 10:25 AM: Message edited by: katharina ]
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Kat:
Labor and Delivery.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Gotcha. Thanks. Posted by Frisco (Member # 3765) on :
Just stepping in to make sure that Geoff doesn't claim me as an offended party and to point out to him that he's the first person on this board to have ever posted anything about me dating his sister. And nearly a year after the fact, at that.
And Slash, if you think the fluff is bad now, be thankful you missed out on the crap that prompted Lalo's anti-smilie tyrade. And while that thread seemed like eight pages of non-constructive bickering, it did have the intended effect--it scared the crap out of fluffers for months.
Posted by lcarus (Member # 4395) on :
I missed the thread in question, PSI, but I think you're very cool, and--already--a central part of Hatrack as far as I'm concerned. And if you're unhappy, then I want you to know that you have my sympathies (((Maureen))) and that if I knew anything I could do to help you, I would do it.
-o-
I also don't know who posted a (serious) goodbye thread, unless we're still talking about OSC-Fan. When I see something like that, I guess I base it on the situation. If somebody I respect and would miss is posting it, over some silly misunderstanding or temporary bout of anger, then I will try to convince them to stay. One might argue that starting such a thread is self-indulgent. Okay, fine. It is. But that doesn't make it any less true that sometimes people need to be self-indulgent. I'm okay with Slash's lack of sympathy, though, because somebody who posts an angry goodye thread is actually insulting the rest of us. When somebody I care about insults me in a moment of emotion, I might let it go and realize that they need something from me. When someone I don't care about does it, they can go suck an egg.
-o-
I think it's wonderful if you've never had to make a post of , but I don't think it makes you a better person, or cooler, nor does it mean that you have more of a life. Not posting in the hug thread also doesn't make you better, cooler, or healthier. I think there are certainly unhealthy extremes--and that the hug thread has the weakness of only ever offering affirmation--but I have certainly felt down enough to want to share my problems with Hatrack. I think this just speaks to the different ways that some of us relate to Hatrack.
I am personally so happy to see a return of some of the funniest Hatrackers, who have just been lurking for the past few months. I missed how funny Hatrack was with these people around--and it gives me hope that Ralphie will return. But some of these same people had the most peripheral relationship with Hatrack when it came to actually getting close to anybody or opening up. (Which is okay.) They seem to see Hatrack as a place to discuss serious topics and a place to be funny, but not a place to enter into a relationship with, and sometimes I think some of them think that feeling a bond with Hatrack, or with individuals at Hatrack, is vaguely "gay."
I think last time this really came up, when T deleted the old hug thread, I got a bit too vehement, and I don't want to do that again. I like to believe that I inhabit a middle ground . . . I feel like there are several different groups of jatraqueros--I don't want to say "cliques," because that word has such ugly connotations. That's a fighting word. More neutrally, it's simply that there are groups who are into serious discussion, groups who are into Funy, groups that are into Silly, and groups who become close to their virtual friends. And some of these groups have crossover memberships, but not all of them do. And yet I like to imagine that I do cross between a lot of these groups, because I think I'm friends (inasmuch as this is possible) with a lot of the folks who like to post at GreNME and also with the folks who like to post at Sakeriver (which I bring up because it does seem like a convenient grouping of two of the camps), and I also feel close enough to people here to wish that I could hug them when they are unhappy, or wish that they could hug me if I was, and to be willing to accept the virtual substitute when the real thing is impossible.
All of which is to say that I see value in all of these groups of people, and I don't believe that valuing one is inconsistent with valuing another.
The fact that some of us put in and take out different things from Hatrack, and run in different threads, is not cliquishness. Neither is friendly teasing between groups.
Being smug about which group you don't belong to is.
Posted by lcarus (Member # 4395) on :
And for what it's worth, I reckon I'm not a grinch. Can I still be cool?
Posted by Frisco (Member # 3765) on :
Still?
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
Once again, Icarus shows that he is better than all the rest of you boneheads.
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
Yes, well, all our heads can't be made out of tapioca like yours, Storm.
-Bok
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
Icky, you're always cool.
I agree - there are a lot of hatrackers who post serious thoughts but also join the hug thread. or something similar. And there is nothing wrong with that.
For what it's worth, Tony and I were just discussing people we absolutely have to meet next time we're in the States. You and CT share top billing Posted by lcarus (Member # 4395) on :
I agree . . . when you're in the states, You absolutely have to meet me! I insist!
On the other hand, I do hope life someday takes me to Australia . . . that would be so cool . . .
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
*grins at Bokonon*
Posted by eslaine (Member # 5433) on :
That's it.
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
What a great idea. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote: For what it's worth, Tony and I were just discussing people we absolutely have to meet next time we're in the States. You and CT share top billing
*pouts*
. . . president . . . Posted by Jacare Sorridente (Member # 1906) on :
quote:This thread has given me a better idea for a thread than Jacare's dumb one (I hear that Jacare has posted in the "last post" threads before).
See, here is the beginning of a potentially devastating problem. Thinking that you can do anything better than me is bound to just end up hurting your self esteem.
Also, despite what you may have heard, I have never posted in any fluff thread of any sort for a very long time.
Posted by J T Stryker (Member # 6300) on :
I try to be the grinch with a sense of humor (ok, so I’m still kind of new and I’m still establishing myself, but it's a goal). I have to admit, I do post on the hug thread, kisses thread, and, but I just do that to Raia and people who hug/kiss me. And as far as the whinny threads go, I try to make my whinny threads more humorous than anything else, but then again I did start that thread about whether I should go to prom or not. In short I think that hatrack is a sub culture with 3 mini-subcultures: The whiners who complain if they stub their little toe, The boring thinkers who seem to contemplate homosexuality a lot (gotta wonder), and The comedians who are just flat out amusing. I'm not sure which category is the most prevalent, but as long as all of them are around, I don't care.
Which category am I?
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
The category of people who try to defend their posts in the fluff threads, instead of just admitting they post there and enjoy it.
[ March 17, 2004, 12:55 PM: Message edited by: PSI Teleport ]
Posted by Unmaker (Member # 1641) on :
:shoves a load of fluff up Slash's ass:
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
By my count, three offended people have posted so far.
I think I win.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
I should point out that my offense was from Dog. You have YET to offend me enough to make me respond. You obviously have your work cut out for you. Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
Not so fast, Berzerker. I said 4, and the fact that this thread has lost the tone it had on the first page offends me.
Which also makes me the winner.
How very convenient for me.
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
Jacare, what self-esteem? Slash stomped on that AGES ago.
So there.
My thread was going to be one of "I'm staying", but Scythrop did it first (though much more feebly than mine).
Doing fake "Good-bye" posts is so passe. Especially since nearly every "Good-bye" post is ultimately incorrect.
Oh, and I can so totally whine better than you.
-Bok
Posted by luthe (Member # 1601) on :
I am the best.
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
When I come home, I don't do it to listen to debates, however interesting and intelligent they are. I do it because I care about the people I meet there. Because I get to guess if Bob and Dana are going out together or not. Because I can make Raia happy from time to time. Because I get a Dan_Raven special day that keeps me from learning for my next exam (and that's a good thing !). Because I find out that there's a Pi Day I never used to celebrate. Because there's an omniscient Moose that'll make the Out of Context thread a delight to read. (I wonder how many of you people know there are in fact 2 OOC threads ?! Here's the second. ) Because I find out that Canadians can indeed be funny and that's a relief considering that I might go to Canadia for the first part of my next school year. Because I look at what today's menu is and I see: Angel canceled ! . And because I can show people that I care for them. Because I have 6 graemlins left (well, 5...) and I'm gonna use'em:
((((Slash & Dog)))) for actually providing this thread for me to post this in.
[ March 17, 2004, 02:00 PM: Message edited by: Corwin ]
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
By the way, Kristine, you masterfully disarmed both Geoff and I, and by extension this entire thread. What's it like to have such powers?
Posted by J T Stryker (Member # 6300) on :
Fluff is fun, but it's not all I post in (I enjoy it all )
[ March 17, 2004, 02:27 PM: Message edited by: J T Stryker ]
Posted by lcarus (Member # 4395) on :
Who are you counting as offended?
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
You.
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
Don't worry Licarus. You don't count.
Posted by lcarus (Member # 4395) on :
I specifically said I was not offended by the sentiment you posted about goodbye threads.
And I'm not personally offended by Geoff's posts either, because I don't see them as applying to me. Rather, I object to an attitude that has already proven hurtful to at least one other Hatracker. Is that the same thing as being offended? (Not being snarky here, I'm just wondering if I truly count for the purposes of your bet.)
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
Clearly Zgator was also offended.
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
quote: Is that the same thing as being offended?
It is if I decide it is.
<-- the boss man
Posted by J T Stryker (Member # 6300) on :
quote: You know what would be the best thing ever? If someone gets so offended that they leave Hatrack, and they DON'T post a goodbye thread. That's mission accomplished, right there.
Edit: Raia confused me about that thread, she thought it was real, i guess we're bot idiots. o-well.
[ March 17, 2004, 10:46 PM: Message edited by: J T Stryker ]
Posted by Nato (Member # 1448) on :
I'm tempted to post something like this in all the graemlin threads:
quote:One day went out to walk his dog. His dog was happy and gave him a big . The neighbors thought it was silly but they just carried on with their . Soon had to cross a street. He started, but saw a truck . It ran him over.
Stryker, your link is broken, and that thread is a joke.
*pat pat*
Posted by grinch (Member # 6034) on :
Sheesh, wannabes.
You know what I don't hate about hatrack? It's the only place I can use the word "suck" without getting lectured by my spouse. Slash, you suck.
And Dog:
quote: <<<<<<Dog>>>>>> me
Uhhhg. what an image.
And Stryker: I curse this thread for forcing me to actually read some of your words. Popular demand my [censored].
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
quote:Clearly Zgator was also offended.
I'm only offended if I get a cut of your winnings.
Posted by lcarus (Member # 4395) on :
The only time I've even seen Zan offended is when I said I didn't like Chik-Fil-A.
Hmm . . .
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
You don't? Wow.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Okay I have recently been informed that the second part of what I quoted about Geoff didn't apply to me, so I'm sorry I got upset about that part. But the rest still applies.
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
My lack of empathy still applies as well.
Posted by LadyDove (Member # 3000) on :
quote:you could be a penguin raping mass murderer and ex ceo of enron
I've always suspected that they are the same person.
I'll admit I'm one of the softies. I just don't like to see people leave with bad feelings- especially the newbies who try too hard and give-up too soon. I figure the old-timers know their own mind and can make their own decisions, so I don't even go into those threads.
Also, I'm offended by the terms [link removed] and [name removed]. I think that it would be more up-front to say [ha, ha, ha - you'll never know what was here] and [yep- you missed it again!].
Posted by J T Stryker (Member # 6300) on :
Well grinch, it's good to know you atleast think highly enough of me to bother reading my posts.
Posted by grinch (Member # 6034) on :
Here's the deal, Stryker, Raia was here first. When you two get married or form a marital contract dealy whatever, I'll think about acknowledging your existence when I'm not otherwise forced too. Don't feel bad (like this thread hasn't had ample warnings). I'm just as rude to all my sisters' fiancees. Unless they are charming in their own right.
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
quote:
quote: For what it's worth, Tony and I were just discussing people we absolutely have to meet next time we're in the States. You and CT share top billing
*pouts*
. . . president . . .
The reason you're not on the list Rivka is that you'd be the *purpose* of the visit. No need to include you as a separate attraction!
If you don't believe that, would some grovelling help matters?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
*contemplates*
Well, it might. Why don't you give it a go, and we'll see if it works?
Posted by J T Stryker (Member # 6300) on :
Well, it sounds like either someone has the hotts for my Raia, is a jealous ex-boyfriend, or is yet another person who likes to play mommy for her. And if you’re the person I think you are, then you can just consider Raia and I as a permanent situation, and if your not who I’m thinking of, then I guess I should thank you for watching out for my Raia.
Edit: I figured out that your not who I thought you were, pooka
[ March 18, 2004, 12:16 AM: Message edited by: J T Stryker ]
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
*abases herself at rivka's feet*
grovel grovel grovel?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Hmm. You need to work on that -- I prefer groveling with style.
And chocolate. Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
I'm late to this thread.
But I had to *snicker* at Frisco. *snickers at Frisco*
*high fives Frisco* Dude, I believe you now. Posted by JonnyNotSoBravo (Member # 5715) on :
I stay out of the superfluff threads like the hug, kisses, last post and goodbye threads. I tried last post thread for a while, but it just got old and boring. The other superfluff threads are just all about emotion or some sort of affirmation and I don't come here for that. So I ignore those threads.
When I see the flagrant abuse of smilies, I am reminded of a guy walking down the street in a purple rhinestone studded jump suit. I just laugh at the obvious lack of fashion and continue. Sure, I think what they're doing is silly and they probably shouldn't do it if they want more respect, but then maybe it's silly of me to think that, according to someone else's opinion.
When I read a landmark post that is really cool and personal and touching, I think it is probable that most of the posts that follow it in that thread will be all affirmation and therefore kind of boring. Generally, I read the landmark post to get a better personal sense of the author and then skip all the "that post was so great and thank you for writing it" stuff. Rewarding those posts with affirmation is important because those people did write something heartfelt - I just don't wanna wade through 20 or 30 posts saying the same thing over and over again.
I see why people do these things I dislike, but I still want to bitch about them. And that's why this thread is just another fluff thread, albeit more interesting than most.
Posted by Sopwith (Member # 4640) on :
What a masterful approach, Slash. Instead of a goodbye thread, you've managed to get a wonderful amount of validation here. Ahh, a little bit for each ego in their own time, the Grumblesaurus feels at home again. How sweet.
Pots, meet the kettles.
Now that everyone's feelings have been assuaged, can we get back to normal around here?
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
No.
Normal is a county we passed through ages ago. We are currently in Kooky, our final destination Ka-RAAAAZY!
-Bok
Posted by Sopwith (Member # 4640) on :
Posted by lcarus (Member # 4395) on :
That was brilliant, Sop. Posted by Unmaker (Member # 1641) on :
And thus Slash is burned.
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
Both Sop and kacard have managed to totally kick this thread's legs out from under it without getting personally offended. Applause to you both.
Frisco, I seem to remember that when you got offended at me earlier, your instant response was to throw up your relationship to my sister in defense, though to what specific purpose, I can't imagine. It did strike me as strange to see you using her as something akin to a status symbol to boost your credibility in an argument. But, talking to other people, I get the impression that you've used her that way more than once. I think it's annoying and disrespectful. Sorry to have embarrassed you by calling you on it. If you avoid it in the future, this will be the last time you have to hear about it.
PSI, I am genuinely sorry that my posts were offensive to you. The night when I made all of those comments was kind of a therapeutic time for me. I had built up a vast store of annoyance at the overwrought drama that Hatrack often nurtures, and at the general fluffiness that pervades the board. I mean, I really thought that people would get bored with the fluff after a while, and it just mystifies me that it goes on, and on, and on. So when Slash started this thread, I just dumped all my built-up frustration into it.
I do think it's good that people feel free to share their innermost feelings here, and I hope one night of annoyance won't drive them away.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
*sigh* And I STILL don't get a response.
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
Dang it, kat, you are too quick! I just noticed your name in another thread, remembered I hadn't responded to you, came back in here to do it, and here you are, already offended! If I ever needed evidence that Hatrack is too sensitive ...
I don't remember being rude to you when we met. I'm not sure what I said or did that you didn't like, but it was unintentional. I'm sorry if it was something I could have avoided. Can you clue me in at all as to what it might have been?
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:Now that everyone's feelings have been assuaged, can we get back to normal around here?
This isn't normal around here? Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I tried to bury the memory, but it was probably something like this...
quote:If I ever needed evidence that Hatrack is too sensitive ...
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
Come on, you've been in my position before. And that was even unusually quick on your part. So what did I do?
[ March 18, 2004, 01:03 PM: Message edited by: A Rat Named Dog ]
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I think *searches through memory* I think it was when we went to lunch at BYU. While Amka, scottneb, unicornwhisperer and others were still getting lunch, we sat down at the table. I think I asked you a question or said something, and you kind of looked at me and said you were going to talk to the others. Still in line. So I'm sitting there (by myself!), all of sudden thinking very dark thoughts.
Oh gosh, that was ages ago. Only a few months after I joined Hatrack.
I mean, granted, I didn't know you, and the question was undoubtedly something starstruck about your dad, but still!
---
Oh, how sad. I got ignored by Geoff again.
[ March 18, 2004, 06:11 PM: Message edited by: katharina ]
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
You know, I had no idea that Eddie had actually dated one of the Cards. *laugh* People should rub Geoff the wrong way more often; he's so much better for gossip when he's snarky. Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
Mmmm... fluff...
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
Ahhh...
Sopwith, jealousy is so ugly. Stop trying to gain accolades on my coattails. Maybe someday someone will pay attention to one of your threads. It could happen.
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
Personally, I think Geoff should be more rude.
Especially to me. Slash alone doesn't cut it anymore.
The question is whether he will rise to the challenge of my abstract-masochistic tendencies, or, by me being so open about it, will he just get squicked out?
More importantly, will anyone laugh at my generally obtuse ramblings?
-Bok
Posted by Frisco (Member # 3765) on :
quote:Frisco, I seem to remember that when you got offended at me earlier, your instant response was to throw up your relationship to my sister in defense, though to what specific purpose, I can't imagine. It did strike me as strange to see you using her as something akin to a status symbol to boost your credibility in an argument. But, talking to other people, I get the impression that you've used her that way more than once. I think it's annoying and disrespectful. Sorry to have embarrassed you by calling you on it. If you avoid it in the future, this will be the last time you have to hear about it.
Geoff, you could type until you were blue in the fingertips and you'd still have a long way to go towards embarassing me. You're getting terribly bent out of shape because of a single time I mentioned that I was your sister's friend.
And while the accusation of using our friendship as a status symbol (or, even sillier, to boost my credibility) was initially met with an eye roll, my second reaction was to chuckle at the fact that the allegation came from someone not exactly shy about having people know who he is.
You're totally tilting at windmills, kiddo.
Posted by porcelain girl (Member # 1080) on :
actually, geoff, i think i am probably the only person that publicly brags about dating your sister. but in all honesty our relationship is much too deep and meaningful to ever refer to it as mere "dating." how mortal.
now if you'll excuse me, i have some natural distasters to tend and libations to acknowledge.
Posted by grinch (Member # 6034) on :
Okay, Stryker, that was kind of almost charming. But this is not the time or place to admit that.
All I know about Geoff's sister is that there was supposed to be an accompanist at EnderCon and there wasn't and I had to sing a Gilbert and Sullivan number a cappella . Because my mom had stayed up all night making costumes, we performed anyway. But I am permanently scarred.
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
wow. Now I'm really curious about what when on at Endercon...
Posted by grinch (Member # 6034) on :
Get used to disappointment, babe.
Posted by JonnyNotSoBravo (Member # 5715) on :
Here's another whiny comment. Why do people sign their name to posts? Especially the short ones. I can see their name very clearly on the same page under author yet people insist on letting everyone know they wrote the post. Look, if it's your screen name and the name you sign with is the same, why do it? Sign your name if you're using someone else's screen name.
That Bok character is one of the worst offenders! He's posted so much recently it's like Bok, Bok, Bok, BOKBOK every thread I enter...
Posted by Trisha the Severe Hottie (Member # 6000) on :
What about people who have one long word for their screen name so their text is all bunched up next to this empty space?
P.S. dude, I'm really not stalking you.
[ March 18, 2004, 06:28 PM: Message edited by: Trisha the Severe Hottie ]
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
I know one of the college girls Geoff used to home-teach.
She wasn't all that impressed with him either, Kat, but then, she's kind of always in a snit anyway.
Not saying that you are. Posted by skrika03 (Member # 5930) on :
Another tidbit from Endercon: OSC says something about the next generation of Cards, and so I assume Geoff and his lady are already married and expecting. Imagine my surprise when OSC starts writing about his marriage later the following year. I really hope I didn't say anything to them about it. I'm pretty sure I would have, since remembering embarrassing things is how I release endorphins instead of jogging.
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
quote:More neutrally, it's simply that there are groups who are into serious discussion, groups who are into Funy, groups that are into Silly, and groups who become close to their virtual friends. And some of these groups have crossover memberships, but not all of them do. And yet I like to imagine that I do cross between a lot of these groups, because I think I'm friends (inasmuch as this is possible) with a lot of the folks who like to post at GreNME and also with the folks who like to post at Sakeriver (which I bring up because it does seem like a convenient grouping of two of the camps)
Out of curiosity, which camp belongs to which board?
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Which board reached greatness on the foundation of tiger kisses?
Posted by Heather Laurae (Member # 3796) on :
Anyone unimpressed with Geoff is missing out. I mean, listen to Kat. She's already starting to blow off her reasons for his potential jerk status. If it really seemed like he was dismissing you, in all honesty, he probably didn't hear you, or something like that. Cafeterias are noisy.
Also, I'm surprised that anyone would get riled up about this thread. I mean, when someone describes a behavior they think is obnoxious, I look for traits that set me apart from that. I don't think that Slash and/or Dog were trying to say that anyone with a serious problem who needs verbal moral support is out of line. But there are "fluffy", superficial posts that can be annoying when you feel like you're being beaten over the head with it.
But that doesn't really bother me as much as people who trash OSC, and then wonder why he never posts.
Posted by Heather Laurae (Member # 3796) on :
And to nip any rumors in the bud, Geoff and his lady are NOT expecting.
[ March 18, 2004, 07:30 PM: Message edited by: Heather Laurae ]
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Heather, it's fine. I seem to have recovered. No lasting damage.
[ March 18, 2004, 07:38 PM: Message edited by: katharina ]
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
quote:Which board reached greatness on the foundation of tiger kisses?
I contend that neither did.
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
Johnny, I obviously use my shortened form to let newbies (especially annoying ones like YOU) know it's acceptable to address me as such. Otherwise, I'd get Boko, Bokon, Onon, or even Bo.
*shudder*
I do it as a public service anyway. At least I don't type it twice too often (which occurs when I think I've finished a thread, but then I have another thought.
-Bok
Of course, Geoff has to send in the charm offensive (what sort of name is Heather Laurae anyway? Sounds too pretty to be a REAL name)
-Bok
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
I assumed Heather was Mrs. Dog. You realize that the -Bok propogates the mental mispronunciation of your name. Which I only thought of now. I hate to think that any newbies are under the impression that you are onon.
Posted by Zalmoxis (Member # 2327) on :
After reading this thread, it seems to me that the real problem is that all you people keep meeting each other in real life.
If everybody just stuck to their online personas, then this place wouldn't get so complicated. Posted by Penguinevere (Member # 5167) on :
All I know about Geoff's sister is that she got really sick the night of Endercon and had no way to contact anyone singing except to send apologies through her mother. And she's a crap accompianist and loves porcelaingirl the way the big red spot loves Jupiter.
She is also willing to be collateral in all future debates for a fee of one Luna bar (S'mores flavor) per mention of her dating history.
Slash, you better stock up. They're about $7 per box of six.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
...is that you?
Posted by J T Stryker (Member # 6300) on :
quote: Okay, Stryker, that was kind of almost charming. But this is not the time or place to admit that.
Ahh, the sweet smell of victory
You know pooka, your not half bad.
Posted by grinch (Member # 6034) on :
I'm a turd, Penguinevere. Props for not complaining at the time. Man, this thread is terrible for my self image. I keep winding up having to apologize.
Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
I still think Heather needs a new screenname.
quote:And to nip any rumors in the bud, Geoff and his lady are NOT expecting.
That doesn't stop the rumors... just changes them. <Goes to spread rumors.>
--ALittleMoreBravoThanJonny
Oh, another thing. Kat, you have mentioned that people say you're nicer in person than on-line. I've since determined that it is true of all Jatraqueros, with the exception of Slash, who is exactly the same in person, and Lalo, who has yet to meet anyone.
Posted by J T Stryker (Member # 6300) on :
Don't worry Grinch, your image hasn't been completely ruined, I'd take you in my corner any day. And at least you know when to apologize. Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
quote:I've since determined that it is true of all Jatraqueros
not that I think i'm an exception to this(I may be, i have no idea), I doubt it's true of all Hatrackers. Unless you were kidding. In which case...I have nothing to say on the matter.
[ March 18, 2004, 08:30 PM: Message edited by: Strider ]
Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
Hatrackers, maybe not. Jatraqueros, definitely.
Posted by lcarus (Member # 4395) on :
Not me. I'm nicer online.
-o-
And I've never dated Geoff's sister. Does that get me any points?
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Just so ya know, Dog, I think I missed the overall feeling of this thread, having popped in long after it's time had come and gone. I have had people freak out at me for saying things in threads that they couldn't have understood because they weren't around at the time it was started. I think this is what happened to me, so hopefully no harm, no foul?
*extends hand*
Posted by lcarus (Member # 4395) on :
What's with all this mamby pamby peace stuff?!?!
Dog's a jerk, and you're a flake! Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
[takes hand and shakes it]
No harm done. I'm assuming this is what you wanted me to do with your hand?
Kat, that whole "Well, I'm going to go talk to other people now!" thing is what I do when I think a conversation has totally died and no one is speaking. I certainly never do it to avoid quesitons or dismiss people. If you had just asked a question when I did that, chances are, I either didn't hear you, or didn't realize you were talking to me. But I'm sorry, I wish I had been paying better attention, so I could ahve avoided hurting your feelings.
Hopefully, the process of getting to know me later via Hatrack has altered your opinion of me ..?
[Michael Palin voice] Frisco, you're a silly person, and I'm not going to argue with you.
Posted by J T Stryker (Member # 6300) on :
I'm pissed, Bob the bored lawyer and dagonee the sad, have fluff-a-fied my thread
Man, Geoff didn't even respond to me, that's so rude!
Thanks!!
-Bok
Posted by JonnyNotSoBravo (Member # 5715) on :
quote:Johnny, I obviously use my shortened form to let newbies (especially annoying ones like YOU) know it's acceptable to address me as such. Otherwise, I'd get Boko, Bokon, Onon, or even Bo.
Whatever, Bono.
[ March 18, 2004, 11:01 PM: Message edited by: JonnyNotSoBravo ]
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:I'm pissed, Bob the bored lawyer and dagonee the sad, have fluff-a-fied my thread
Hey - Alexa and Speed contributed, too. If you're going to give credit, give it to everyone.
Dagonee
Posted by The Edge (Member # 5448) on :
Bono's hanging out on Hatrack? I was wondering where he was. I'm in the studio writing some really amazing guitar stuff while he claims to be out "saving the world," and come to find out he's just lounging around with a bunch of nerds!
Posted by JonnyNotSoBravo (Member # 5715) on :
quote:...with the exception of Slash, who is exactly the same in person, and Lalo, who has yet to meet anyone.
I think the Slash thing is probably genetic, 'cuz Ralphie is exactly the same in person, too. Or maybe they're just really open and honest in real life, and the rest of us put on happy, polite faces to deceive everyone.
Lalo doesn't really exist, I bet. From a different branch of the software center that brought us K.A.M.A., he's programmed to be the very model of a modern urban gigolo. Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
I'm sorry, Stryker. Starting a thread with, "George W. Bush is an idiot" is a great way to start an interesting discussion. It's an interesting take on a subject that's familiar enough to everyone that they can add something equally deep, while at the same time phrased in a way to really make those people who know what they're talking about really think.
Posted by porcelain girl (Member # 1080) on :
i found two hundred dollars in the street and i spent it all on purple yarn and granola bars.
thus is my everlasting devotion.
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
I'm nicer in person, but that's only because I work so hard to be such a jerk online.
Posted by LadyDove (Member # 3000) on :
*gives a noogie to Mike*
I am really sad to read personal attacks on the Cards. Even if I'd only met Kristine, I would have too much admiration and respect to disrespect them. After meeting Em, I can only say that that Kristine and her husband must know what they're talking about when it comes to raising kids. Em is lovely and sweet and totally silly, independent and devoted to her family.
I've never met Geoff, but I recall that he must have had alot on his mind during Endercon (didn't he propose to Heather during the event?) Though I like Frisco, Geoff's stature grew in my eyes when he stepped-up to defend his little sister. Whether necessary or not, this show of love and loyalty is just too cool. I hope my kids support each other the same way.
Regarding OSC's views, my thoughts are soooo different from his on so many issues, but he's not forcing me to take his views or his side in anything. I love this place that he and Kristine have created. Many of his ideas and thoughts must be not only good, but right, because if he's all about creating and maintaining successful community, he's succeeded in us.
Sometimes I think we get a little too comfortable in the Card's living room. They're not our maids, our enemies or our opponents; they're our hosts and if we're lucky, they're our friends.
[ March 19, 2004, 12:54 AM: Message edited by: LadyDove ]
Posted by Frisco (Member # 3765) on :
WooHoo! I'm the bad guy!
Well played, Rat.
And boy, Christine. That one stung.
Posted by Lalo (Member # 3772) on :
quote:Lalo, I was going to deny that I ever disliked an Eddie. But then I remembered that you're pestering me to tell you something I have very good reasons not to tell you. Egad, you're annoying. But at least you don't brag to everyone on the board about dating my sister.
[tries to weigh Eddies on a scale; gets flustered]
quote:Just stepping in to make sure that Geoff doesn't claim me as an offended party and to point out to him that he's the first person on this board to have ever posted anything about me dating his sister. And nearly a year after the fact, at that.
quote:Frisco, I seem to remember that when you got offended at me earlier, your instant response was to throw up your relationship to my sister in defense, though to what specific purpose, I can't imagine. It did strike me as strange to see you using her as something akin to a status symbol to boost your credibility in an argument. But, talking to other people, I get the impression that you've used her that way more than once. I think it's annoying and disrespectful. Sorry to have embarrassed you by calling you on it. If you avoid it in the future, this will be the last time you have to hear about it.
quote:Geoff, you could type until you were blue in the fingertips and you'd still have a long way to go towards embarassing me. You're getting terribly bent out of shape because of a single time I mentioned that I was your sister's friend.
And while the accusation of using our friendship as a status symbol (or, even sillier, to boost my credibility) was initially met with an eye roll, my second reaction was to chuckle at the fact that the allegation came from someone not exactly shy about having people know who he is.
You're totally tilting at windmills, kiddo.
quote:[Michael Palin voice] Frisco, you're a silly person, and I'm not going to argue with you.
So, let me get this straight -- you defame Eddie, then when he responds pointing out the error in your libel, you declare that he's just trying to start a fight?
Man.
But why did I expect better from a penguin molester? [replaced former sentence that was deleted by Kristine Card, but makes the same essential point -- that Geoff is charged with a presumably incorrect crime]
{Sentence removed by KACard -- that one was way over the line Lalo. Watch your step, my patience is getting thin.)
Don't try to prove me wrong, Geoff. You're a silly person, and I'm not going to argue with you.
[ March 19, 2004, 08:12 AM: Message edited by: Lalo ]
Posted by Redskullvw (Member # 1549) on :
And the ghost of Baldar pops up....It seems something is being argued here to the point that several people emailed me some stuff. I seldom ever read Hatrack so I do not even know what the argument or topic is, but I am also not reading four pages to find out. Baldar sent the following for this thread. I just happen to be the messenger.
quote: Someone emailed me the post that stated I had made a specific death threat against Lalo. While I am not there to defend myself I would like to state clearly and unequivocably that I never threatened Lalo with death.
What did happen is that in a moment when he was full of himself, he challenged me. I told him to tell me when and where. He continued back away and finally dropped off and cancelled. I would challenge Lalo to produce the post in which I gave a death threat. I maintain he is lying and while one can say that I am not the nicest person to deal with, I have never lied nor have I acted dishonorably. Lalo, by stating a falsehood regarding someone who cannot defend himself, shows himself to be less than honorable.
I would never threaten anyone with death, either explicitly or implicitly. The moderators would have acted immediately and banned me. I was not banned. That alone is sufficient to show his falsehood. I was banned at a later date for a different issue. It is dishonorable to threaten to waste a life that on its face is of no consequence anyway.
In truth he backed out of a challenge to fight, which I believe he initiated. Now he hopes to blow up and make larger that which never happened creating some deep dark threat upon himself and inflating a relatively weak person.
Just to keep the record straight.
Baldar
Posted by kacard (Member # 200) on :
I'm letting the Baldar quote stand this time, because even Baldar should get to defend himself in this case. But I won't do it again.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
I'm online at the same time as kacard.
Somehow, I feel less evil. . .
Posted by Lalo (Member # 3772) on :
Baldar asks, and I deliver.
I rarely delete e-mails when I think I may need to use them again in the future.
quote:Your a coward, a punk, and probably some skinny little piece of crap hiding behind a screen. Your also a liar and can't stand by your own words. I will be reminding you of that everytime I see you in any of the forums. I am an hour away, I would meet you anytime, anywhere, around all kinds of people. Your some small measely slime bucket who doesn't know anything. Your mother should be punished for not aborting a snot like you. Enjoy your cowardice because I will always know what you really are. Run away and hide worm.
You see, you make the mistake of thinking I am angry and the heat of passion will go away. I have always done and will do exactly what I say, its something you may not be familiar with, its called will. I don't need to go to Oregon, I can come to LA anytime. Your just too scared to take me up on it, regardless of where and how. You had better hope you never run into me, because until you apologize, this is not over, and if I ever see you in person, the impromptu lesson you need will begin.
>From: Eduardo >To: Jeff >Subject: Re: >Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 22:18:12 -0700 (PDT) > > >The more of you I read, the more I'd like to hit you. But not this way. >Not with you lusting for my blood, and not because you're trying to justify >your bigotry by attacking anyone who points it out. >I'm going to be in Oregon come December. Ty, aka Slash the Berserker, has >arranged a fight up there. I'd like you to be there, if only because even >you -- whom another Ornery regular dubbed "terminally unreasonable" -- >should have cooled down by then, and we can **** each other up like >gentlemen. That, and if we do it in a ring, you won't pull some legal suit >out of your hat. >Fighting now is a lose-lose situation. If I win, what do I have? A >broken, middle-aged man who'd probably hate me for the rest of his >miserable life. If I should lose, is it any better? >Come to Oregon in winter. I'll save a spot on my dance card. > > > Jeff wrote:First off, no where did I say those things you said you >moron. > >Second, unlike you, I do have a car, and arrested for assault doesn't mean >shit to me. It just means you were stupid enough to be caught and couldn't >finish the job. I am not that way. Give me an address and a time and I >will be there, next weekend. > > > >From: Eduardo > >To: Jeff > >Subject: Re: Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:10:46 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >Heh. Well, nobody can say I haven't given you more chances than you > >deserve. But if you think I'll let you insult me doubly for my calling >you > >a bigot -- which you are -- you're ****ed. > >I stand by my statement. You are a bigot, and until you take back your > >blanket statements that say all homosexuals are immoral, depraved, > >lust-crazed sluts who do nothing but have unprotected orgies and still > >whine for a cure to AIDS, I will not revoke my claim. If you think you >can > >disprove your bigotry by taking me on, well, I'm going to enjoy ****ing >you > >up. > >I've been arrested for assault before, so I'd rather not do this in a > >public place. Any recommendations? My car's in the shop, so it's got to > >be accessible by bus. > >-Eduardo > > > > > > Jeff wrote:Look you little moron. Aside from the fact that you are > >lacking more > >knowledge than you can possibly know, aside from the fact that you don't > >know what your talking about and have little or no experience with the >real > >world. You definately have no manners. You think you can call people > >things and there are no consequences to such an action, there are times > >when > >you have to back up your words Eddie, this is one of them, and if costs >you > >a few teeth, thats part of growing up. > > > >I am not going to regale you with my physical prowess, or what I do or do > >not know how to do in a physical confrontation, needless to say I am > >confident of my abilities. Usually the strong are not as offensive as you > >are, usually it is the weak. > > > >I will give you one more chance to apologize in public on the post for > >calling me a bigot. If you do not, you can send me an email, tell me >where > >you wish to meet and I will gladly give you a lesson in manners that is > >long > >in coming. > > > >I really don't have the time to intellectually teach an idiot the > >difference > >between disease, race and sexual orientation and how context is lost when > >you mix the three. You will note however that better writers than you (ie > >Tom and Everard) have not taken this tact because they know it is false > >logic in this context. You need manners boy. > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Eduardo > > >To: jeff > > >Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:40:40 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > >Jeff, if you're this desperate to fight me, I'll do it -- but I'm > >honestly > > >not anxious about it. I really don't want to hurt you. Or, if I've > > >grossly misjudged you, to be hurt myself -- I currently have all my > >teeth, > > >and I'd like to keep it that way. I'm still not quite sure why you want > >to > > >fight -- are you saying you're NOT a bigot about homosexuals? I've > > >requested you to do this many times, but, once more, go back and >replace > > >the word "homosexual" with "nigger" in your posts, and see if you can > >still > > >call them unbiased. > > > > > >That said, the ball's in your court. > > > > > >-Eddie
I broke off contact when Jeff promised that he'd finish the job and wouldn't be stupid enough to be caught for it.
I'm not proud of my second e-mail, given that I haven't ever been arrested for assault -- it's not quite as gross a lie as it seems, given that I've been in parking-lot-fights that were forced to break up and run when a police car arrived, but it's still a lie and unworthy of me. For that much, I'll apologize.
As for the rest, well, decide for yourself.
Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!
Posted by Sopwith (Member # 4640) on :
Hmmm, doesn't look very good for Baldar or Lalo when you read it.
But it is so easy to post on the internet and forget that our words, even the smallest of them, might have repercussions.
Baldar was an insufferable ass, but Lalo, you've posted things time and time again that if said in public would have gotten your head handed to you. Baldar's gone, so it won't do any good to chastise him, but Lalo, you might want to consider the tone of some of your posts, they often seem to be in the tone of someone itching for a fight.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
quote: I think the Slash thing is probably genetic, 'cuz Ralphie is exactly the same in person, too.
I'd like to point out that I am probably the same in person too, as much as I'd like to be super-cool online. I even have the time to really think out what I post, and I don't...similar to the way I talk. I put my literary foot into my mouth at least as often as the figurative one. I guess technically they are both figurative but whatever.
I also make a lot of jokes to try and cover up the fact that I just said something revealing about myself.
So, anyway, a man walks into a bar...
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
OUCH!
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
I think the obvious solution to ALL the really genuinely freakazoid interpersonal issues on this thread would be to have Lalo date Geoff's sister, and then let Baldar kill Frisco.
[ March 19, 2004, 09:38 AM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]
Posted by Sopwith (Member # 4640) on :
And on this week's episode of "As the Forum Churns"...
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
Mmmm, churning...
-Bok
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
"Someone emailed me the post that stated I had made a specific death threat against Lalo. While I am not there to defend myself I would like to state clearly and unequivocably that I never threatened Lalo with death.
What did happen is that in a moment when he was full of himself, he challenged me. I told him to tell me when and where. He continued back away and finally dropped off and cancelled. I would challenge Lalo to produce the post in which I gave a death threat. I maintain he is lying and while one can say that I am not the nicest person to deal with, I have never lied nor have I acted dishonorably. Lalo, by stating a falsehood regarding someone who cannot defend himself, shows himself to be less than honorable.
I would never threaten anyone with death, either explicitly or implicitly. The moderators would have acted immediately and banned me. I was not banned. That alone is sufficient to show his falsehood. I was banned at a later date for a different issue. It is dishonorable to threaten to waste a life that on its face is of no consequence anyway.
In truth he backed out of a challenge to fight, which I believe he initiated. Now he hopes to blow up and make larger that which never happened creating some deep dark threat upon himself and inflating a relatively weak person.
Just to keep the record straight.
Baldar"
Don't lie, Lalo. Its not cool. I remember the incident in question, and it is as Baldar stated.
Posted by Amka (Member # 690) on :
*squeeks*
Except that, uhm, there was no death threat in that email exchange. He wasn't afraid of an assault charge, and he would be teaching an impromptu lesson. I saw major thrashing with the assumption of victory but not a death threat.
Posted by luthe (Member # 1601) on :
[ March 19, 2004, 12:23 PM: Message edited by: luthe ]
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
How in the hell did Baldar of all people get resurrected?
Can I be a grinch now? I can't believe people are taking this stuff so seriously that now we're talking about ....... contests with Baldar again.
Anytime, in an online setting, people start talking about beating each other up, particularly when those two people haven't even met, then the lameness factor just skyrockets for all involved.
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
Hear that, Slash? You are lame.
Posted by knightswhosayni! (Member # 4096) on :
When did this thread become not funny?
Ni!
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Sure he is:) But then again, Slash doesn't talk about fighting over political arguments and personal insults online, if memory serves.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Hey, I've been doing my darnedest to keep this thread funny. Help me.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
This is true Slash is a non-discriminatory people eater...
AJ
Posted by Frameshifter (Member # 2967) on :
I think the only thing that can save this thread now is a quick fall to the second page. (not that this post will get it there any faster.)
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Right now I'm imagining Eddie as an in-law in the Card family. Now that's comedy!
Posted by lcarus (Member # 4395) on :
Is this where the Hatrack Kissing Booth is?
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
You mean it was funny before this?
*goes to check first few pages*
edit- ok. These last few posts beat me, and they were all funny, so I didn't have to check.
[ March 19, 2004, 01:03 PM: Message edited by: Narnia ]
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
I just want to point out, Eddie and I were just going to box a little. With pads, gloves, and all the safety devices. It was friendly sparring, not a deathmatch. I dunno how it got mixed into all the crap above.
I have told Kristine she can lock or delete this thread, now that Lalo has turned it into a place to air his grudges. Eddie, dude, you need to chill the hell out sometimes man. Let bygones be bygones.
And I AM lame. I DO threaten to beat people, but usually only longtimers who know me well enough to laugh it off. Only one time did I actually get mad enough to hurt someone, and that person left, and I have mostly gotten over it.
Dragging it up over and over again goes beyond lame.
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
quote:Don't try to prove me wrong, Geoff. You're a silly person, and I'm not going to argue with you.
Don't worry, Lalo. I can't think of anything more pointless than an argument with you
However, I'll give you this much. It's apparent to me that Frisco sees my family as a source of cheap jokes and an opportunity to drop names, with very little consideration for anyone's feelings beyond his own desire to look clever. My opinion of him is based on more than what you've seen on the board, though I've chosen, out of fairness, not to drag anything else into the discussion. If you disagree with my opinion, that's just fine. I think I'm allowed to choose whom I like and dislike, for my own reasons, without justifying it to you in quotes and citations.
I only discussed my frustration with Frisco because you brought it up on a board devoted to grinching. Otherwise, I am far happier simply to pretend he doesn't exist. But when he steps out of line, insulting my family, or staking some claim by his short-lived friendship with my sister, I think I do have a right to say something.
The incredibly odd thing, Lalo, is that you think you're in a position to criticize anybody on this score. It must be nice to be able to depend on the fact that other people possess a sense of shame that you do not. But today, I don't feel like bowing to your criticism. I second Slash's motion that this thread be locked or deleted, if my mother so chooses. It's good to vent feelings like this from time to time, but I think it's better to make them disappear just as quickly Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
quote:My opinion of him is based on more than what you've seen on the board, though I've chosen, out of fairness, not to drag anything else into the discussion.
*frown* Geoff, mentioning something by saying you're not going to mention it is cheap. Either say it, or leave it out.
Posted by UofUlawguy (Member # 5492) on :
I have had such a hard time following this thread, since its inception. It seems to be in English, but I can't make heads or tails of it. Don't bother trying to explain. I have enough of a headache as it is.
Posted by JonnyNotSoBravo (Member # 5715) on :
Ha! Some "lawguy" you are!
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
I have never seen Frisco drop the Card name, beyond the one time some time a go when it was brought up that he had dated Geoff's sister, and I don't recall that he mentioned it at that time in a way that would lead me to believe he was trying to make himself look better.
I don't recall that Frisco has particularly targetted the Card family for any kind of insult. In fact, in general, Frisco is one of the most considerate posters on this board. He certainly doesn't engagge in petty passive-aggressive antics like some posters do. *wink wink*
I've found it a bit confusing the way Geoff seems to hone in on Frisco for, what seems to me, very innocuous or just mildly inoffensive posts. Now that it's revealed that there's some kind of outside drama, things are becoming a little more clear.
Posted by JonnyNotSoBravo (Member # 5715) on :
quote:PSI Teleport wrote: I'd like to point out that I am probably the same in person too, as much as I'd like to be super-cool online. I even have the time to really think out what I post, and I don't...similar to the way I talk.
Yeah, right! You just wanna be thought of as related to Slash and Ralphie! I'm not buying that bridge!
Silly Slash and Ralphie fan-addicts...
Posted by Heather Laurae (Member # 3796) on :
No, it wasn't cheap of him not to drag previous incidents out for all to read. Geoff was just saying, hey, there's more to the story, I don't feel like I'm overreacting, let's just leave it at that. It's sounding more and more to me that Geoff and Frisco don't even care about this argument anymore, so I think everyone else needs to let it go too.
Mom, please delete this thread. It's quickly descending into an oblivion of stupidity.
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as the first post, and waiting for people to <<<<<<Dog>>>>>> me. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
into my posts like I think they're on fire and ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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for the first part of my next school year. Because I look at what today's menu is and I see: Angel canceled ! . And because I can show people that I care for them.![[Taunt]](graemlins/taunt.gif)
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. The neighbors thought it was silly but they just carried on with their