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Posted by Xaposert (Member # 1612) on :

Rumsfeld bans camera phones in Iraq

What message is this going to send? This is the equivalent of Enron deciding not to audit itself in order to avoid future scandals.

If we are truly serious about making an effort to stop torturing Iraqis, we should not be acting as if we have something to hide, and putting policy in place to cover it up. If our government's solution to the torture scandal is to ban photographs, it seems pretty clear that they care less about the fact that we've done something wrong, and more about the fact that we got caught.

Posted by jebus202 (Member # 2524) on :

Yea, the US is ****ed up. It's time to abandon ship and swim for europe.

Liberté, égalité, fraternité!

Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :

Or Canada.

*sad for my country

Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :

Blame Canada! Blame CanaDAAAAAAAA!

Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :

That's not very American, to blame Canada. You are supposed to blame the Evil Right(or Left) wing that is taking over the country, which will be the end of all civilization.

Posted by jebus202 (Member # 2524) on :

ROFLMAO! Good one!

Hah, Canada, I'll have to remember that one. Because [sarcasme] CANADA WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER! [/sarcasme]

AHAHAHAHA!

Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :

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That's not very American, to blame Canada. You are supposed to blame the Evil Right(or Left) wing that is taking over the country, which will be the end of all civilization.

Interesting phenomenon I've been watching develop over the past week on news shows. In an unprecedented show of unity, increasing numbers of both liberals AND conservatives seem willing to blame...

the NEOCONS!

Yep - here's a nice little quote from Bob Novak on Saturday's airing of CNN's "The Capital Gang":

May 22 Transcript - The Capital Gang

(Speaking about Ahmad Chalabi, originally placed in a position of power in Iraq by the administration and is now accused of being corrupt and supplying intelligence to Iran)

quote:
BOB NOVAK, CAPITAL GANG: He is a creation of the neocons, and Republicans -- senators will say that, that they were warned that he was of dubious ethical quality, that he had ties with the Iranian regime. This information came from the State -- not only the State Department, Kate, but the CIA. It came from the king of Jordan. It came from just about everybody but the gang over at the -- the civilians over at the Pentagon, but not the military. The military people I talk to at the Pentagon thought he was a bad actor from the start, this was a terrible mistake.

And the question right now is that the civilians who put this guy in a position of power at the Pentagon, who were also culpable in this disaster on the prisoner abuse, are they going to be held accountable for this? There are Republican senators -- Republican senators -- who say the should be held accountable.

Tucker Carlson, on a show Sunday, also referred to the Iraq war as a "neocon" war - saying it was never a "conservative" war. He went on about some other issues as well, such as government growth under neocons.

Could it be that "neocon" will eventually end up as a political label to be as dangerous to wear as "liberal"?

Posted by Xaposert (Member # 1612) on :

Well, I think if the Republicans lose the next election, the neocon leadership will essentially be drummed out of power within the pary. The blame is going to fall squarely on them, since all the radical changes being made to American policies can be traced pretty clearly back to them.

Hopefully conservatives will turn back to less extreme leaders, like John McCain.

Posted by kerinin (Member # 4860) on :

I am constantly dissapointed that McCain didn't get the last nomination, think how much better the world would be.

is it just me or has the republican party become a lot less republican, and a lot more religious-right? of all the parties to be fiscally irresponsible...

Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :

"of all the parties to be fiscally irresponsible..."

...the Republican Party is the least stylish?

Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :

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...the Republican Party is the least stylish?

In the Senate, at least, the haircuts and clothing seen on both sides of the aisle seem to reflect a lot of expense - and mostly taste.

The House is a different matter -- seem to have a few wild-eyed and haphazardly dressed types in that part of Congress.

(Kinda miss the slept-in bed look of Pat Moynihan - you just knew looking at him he had coffee stains on his tie!) [Smile]

[ May 24, 2004, 04:14 PM: Message edited by: sndrake ]

Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :

Well, okay. Would you settle for "...the most likely to crave the delicious taste of human brains?" [Smile]

Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :

[ROFL]

*wipes tears away*