OK, I'll start by just stating my major mistake and then I'll tell the story. I ditched my date on her senior prom night and made out with another girl in the middle of the dance floor.
Ok, with that out of the way, I'll tell the whole story.
So I went and picked up my date (Sarah). we took some pictures at her place and then went and met the rest of the group at the Irish lion. we all ate and then went to Aimee's place to play cards and hang out till prom started. Well Rainelle's parents (this is where the trouble started) called her cell phone to check up on her, so, she lied and then decided that she had better get to prom fast, just incase her psycho parents decided to check up on her, so I took her to school to wait for the rest and look like she never was at Aimee's. So, as some of you know, I have a crush on Rainelle, well she was looking really hot in her dress, so I started to hit on her, and she started flirting back, this lasted for about 30 minutes while we waited on everybody else. So, Sarah and the rest arrive and I go back to being her date, and trying to ignore Rainelle (who was playing footsy every chance she got), and after a while of Rainelle obviously being bored, Sarah made me go dance with Rainelle (in my defense I did argue against it because I knew what was going to happen.) Rainelle and I went up and danced for about a minute before she just started making out with me (she started it not me, I was going to try and get her out of plain view first.) So there we are, in the middle of every one making out on the dance floor. Well Sarah came up to check on us when this happened. needless to say, she was pissed, but she didn't do anything. so then everyone decided to go ahead and come back to my place for our post prom party, so every one came back here. Rainelle wasn't allowed to be here, so we left almost immediately to take her home, and well lets just say it took my 45 minutes to run Rainelle the 4 miles down the road to her house. So I get back to my house and receive the cold shoulder from almost everyone.
Now I feel terrible, I ruined Sarah's senior prom. I mean she claims that she wasn't very surprised and that she had fun anyways, but still, I ditched her on her senior prom.
Ok, people there it is, tell me how terrible I am, because I deserve it.
Posted by beatnix19 (Member # 5836) on :
Ouch. That's pretty rough. Reminds me of the time I came back to my high school to go to my x-girlfriends senior prom and she ended up ditching me for a 98 pound choir tenor. It still hurts.
Oh well. It was kind of a bad move but if sarah was only a friend... well hey, hopefully you can move past it and no big loss.
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
Dude.
Good thing you don't have to come back in the fall.
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
Well, if it makes you feel any worse, JT, my prom date did the same thing to me, and she's a really terrible person who later gained about eighty pounds and gave birth to demon spawn. So you've got a bright future to look forward to.
[ May 24, 2004, 08:46 PM: Message edited by: A Rat Named Dog ]
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
On the other hand, both my older sisters ended up marrying the guys who took them to Prom.
Posted by cochick (Member # 6167) on :
You rat!
(only j/k) - that is awkward - I'm assuming from Sarah's actions/ reactions you did go as just friends though. Maybe you can think of something to do for her to say sorry - I know flowers sound lame but it always makes me feel good - but as a friend you'd probably know what she'd like.
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
Stryker, we need pictures of Rainelle, in order to see who's to blame
Now seriously, if what you say is correct, Sarah was the one pushing you into the devil's arms (well, being serious didn't last very long...) So, rationaly, she should not be mad at you for what happened. Unfortunately (or fortunately), humans are not rational beings, at least not entirely. So afterwards she was probably a little bit jealous and frustrated by the fact that she didn't get to have a real date and you did.
Anyway, stop feeling terrible. Not worth it. Life is beautiful. And it goes on.
Posted by Da_Goat (Member # 5529) on :
Yes, you're terrible. Awful. If I ever have a baby, I'm SO not trusting you with it.
And, um, yo' momma smells like sardines.
Anyway, life sucks.
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
Hey, who invited the goat to the party ?! Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
It's probably best if I, um, don't respond to the contents of your post. I'll just post anyway, because I feel I should, and so you can see that I read it!
*restrains self*
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
Hey, what's a party without a fight ?!? C'mon, Raia, post your answer ! Posted by cochick (Member # 6167) on :
A question JT - you seeing Rainelle again - if so it was probably worth the hassle.
Posted by Valentine014 (Member # 5981) on :
Well, if no one else will say it, I will:
What you did to that poor girl just plain sucks, Tyler. I imagine you hurt her pretty badly and I hope you feel proud of yourself. There is no "redo" for a senior prom. Those are the memories she is going to have for the rest of her life, memories of her horny date ditching her for another.
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
Stryker: flowers would be nice.
Everyone else, I didn't realize how into him she had been that night, and knowing how incredibly good girl, doesn't want to upset her parents, I didn't expect anything like that to happen. I was upset for a while about that, but am over it now. There is something else he has said today that has made me very mad and I want to either cry or hit him. Let's just say he has made many of my close friends not believe something I said, and now they are losing trust in me. But I am sick of high school drama so I am not worrying about it.
At least I don't have to go back in the fall, he does. And maybe he will get mono. But no I really am not that mad at him.
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
You know what, I changed my mind...
Stryker, I'm sorry to have to say something like this, especially in a public forum, it's really not my style, but I'm going to agree with you and tell you you're a terrible person. I am pretty open-minded, and can accept most things, but when I found out about this on saturday (especially with the conversation that you and I had had before prom), I was about ready to go and kill you myself. I can only imagine how Sarah was feeling.
I'm sure it'll pass, and everyone will forgive each other... but it was a dirty, low-down thing to do, and I'm feeling quite disgusted with you, to be quite honest. You didn't even have the decency to apologize, while Rainelle felt awful and told Sarah about 50 million times that she was sorry, you had a smug grin on your face, and even asked Rainelle out (or as good as) in Sarah's presence. Pardon me if I don't devote my utter sympathies to your present situation.
[/RANT]
(edit: Hehe Corwin, yes, I decided not to be lame and give up...)
[ May 24, 2004, 07:20 PM: Message edited by: Raia ]
Posted by cochick (Member # 6167) on :
Not being an American - I obviously don't get the seriousness of the whole prom night thing but come on - give the guy a break - if she carries this around with her the rest of her life and it affects her so badly she'll have had a pretty shallow life.
I'm sure it'll just become a comment she pulls out when everyone's discussing the topic of proms:
"Well my prom date made out with another girl in the middle of the dance floor."
*elicits cries of shock, horror and much commiseration*
Tyler - you've just set her up with a talking point for the rest of her life.
Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
Yeah, I agree with Valentine. You really screwed up, and I'm not sure why you're posting about it here. Almost seems a little boastful, like "look at me! look what I did! tell me I suck!"
I'm not seeing the regret and remorse. You seem pretty shallow.
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
breyerchic04, you're Sarah ?!? Should have thought about it, I thought he just changed his date in the meantime. Boy, do I feel stupid now !
Yay for not being mad at him, though !
quote: Let's just say he has made many of my close friends not believe something I said, and now they are losing trust in me.
Now, THAT sucks. I don't know what it is, or why do your friends believe him and not you, but that's something you two have to work on. And then Stryker can go back at being "stupid" again. There's another prom next year, who knows what can happen then ?! Posted by J T Stryker (Member # 6300) on :
Yes, I'm seeing Rainelle again.
And no, this wasn't a braging post this was a get it out in the open for those who are pissed post.
The idiotic Stryker
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
Oh boy, it's getting hot in here... I just wonder how much more is it to this story ?!? Anyway, Sarah, now you REALLY have something to talk about ! Maybe the prom didn't turn out to be as cool as you'd have wanted it to be, but you must admit, the after-prom is really something !
quote: A question JT - you seeing Rainelle again - if so it was probably worth the hassle.
cochick, I like your practical attitude And I'm not American either, so I don't quite see what the fuss is all about... It's not a wedding, people ! Sheesh...
Raia, maybe you'd have better restrained yourself... I wonder where Stryker is. Probably lurking and thinking about how stupid it was of him... to start this thread !
I really have to stop posting now. It's 1:40AM, the fatigue is getting to me... Peace to all of you
Edit: Well, Stryker, THERE you are !
[ May 24, 2004, 07:41 PM: Message edited by: Corwin ]
Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
You mean, get it out in the "thousands of people all over the world" open? For the 3 people who are actually involved in this??
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
I'm with Ayelar on this one. And Corwin, that's probably true, but I'm seething... I couldn't just keep quiet.
Not to mention his hitting on every girl (other than Mary Ellis, who would flatten him) at his after-party... and grinning while telling the rest of us what was involved in the trip to take Rainelle home. *shudder*
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
Yeah, that's low. And that's coming from ME, the queen of accidentally stepping on toes over cute guys who are flirting with me. The least you could've done would be to say something outright to Sarah. Or you know, save the face-sucking for some post-prom date.
And yeah, prom IS important. I couldn't get a date to my senior prom, but at least I had fun my junior year. It should be a good high school memory. I'ma agree with Valentine.
Posted by Elphie (Member # 6535) on :
Stryker...I did almost the same thing. I went to prom with a "good friend", Todd, but knew the whole time I wanted to be with Josh. I didn't actually make out with him there, but much drama was going on with the two of us right under Todd's nose, and the rest of the night between Todd and I was strained at the least. I guess the reason I'm telling my sad story is to let you know that you aren't the only high school aged person who has done something that might not be your shining moment. High school has a way of working out a persons values, and I gather that this isn't the kind of behavior you plan on continuing.
I also agree with cochick, if she does let this haunt her forever and ever, I tend to think that she might have more to worry about than a bad prom.
Next time, I'd try to be a little savvier in these situations...it could save you and everyone a lot of grief...not to mention wasted breath on the gossip I'm sure comes along with all of this. Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Not classy. Couldn't you have waited till after prom to make out for Sarah's sake? Have some self control chit'lins! (That goes for Rainelle also, of course.)
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
I'm sorry, one more comment...
quote: Rainelle and I went up and danced for about a minute before she just started making out with me (she started it not me, I was going to try and get her out of plain view first.)
This, I think, angered me the most out of the entire thing, because I know you, and I know Rainelle. I'm not going to go into full detail, but your methods of trying to fob the blame off on someone else I find sickening... not to mention the fact that you admit to wanting to start making out with her, only you were going to wait, and "try and get her out of plain view first." How thoughtful of you. Really, my compliments on your decency. [/SARCASM]
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Well, regardless of who started it, it takes two to make-out. Unless it is make-out-rape.
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
If you haven't guessed from my previous post, I'm pretty disgusted with JT's behavior. Eventually, JT, I hope you grow up and realize there's a lot more to life than what you happen to want at any given moment. The choices you make really affect other people, whether you think they "should" or not.
Yeah, technically, if you go to a prom with someone "as a friend" then you could interpret that to mean that romantic relationships with other people during that prom might not be out of the question. Technically, there's also no law against cheating on your wife, either.
When you're out on a date with one girl, it doesn't matter if you consider her "just a friend" or not. You're still out with her. And it shows an unbelievable level of disrespect and disregard for her feelings if you go and find another girl to make out with during that date.
I mean, look at you. You're a teenager. You've got all the time in the world ahead of you, and you think you have to make out with Rainelle THAT NIGHT? The ONLY time when it would cause MAXIMUM pain to Sarah? What in the hell is wrong with you?
This kind of thing has happened to me multiple times, and I can attest to the way it feels. I read someone dismissing this because it's a prom, not a wedding, so it's not a big deal. Like saying it's a broken bone, not a bullet through the head, so it shouldn't hurt. I promise you, incidents like this may not be worst thing in the whole world, but they can add up to make someone feel pretty worthless. Maybe the victim in this case can be gracious and forgiving and not be angry at you. But it's hard to get this kind of experience out of your head when it comes to assessing your own confidence and self-worth.
JT, you didn't go to the prom with Sarah "as a friend". No one would treat a "friend" the way you treated her.
Thanks to Valentine and Raia for breaking the ice so I could say my peace
[ May 24, 2004, 08:51 PM: Message edited by: A Rat Named Dog ]
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
And again, both by his actions and by posting about it here, Stryker has proved himself to be boorish. I understand that to a degree high school is all about the drama, but really I don't understand why the two of you (and the rest of your friends) continue to have anything to do with him. This seems like a lovely time for a shunning... and like you said, neither of you are coming back next year, and Raia at least is leaving the country pretty soon. Consider cutting the ties now, and spend the rest of your Senior year around people who don't make you want to kill them.
Edit: Ooooh, well said, Dog. Sorry I had to follow you!
[ May 24, 2004, 08:30 PM: Message edited by: ElJay ]
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
Yeah, seriously, JT. What you did to Sarah amounts to humiliation and disrespect. So you try to atone for it by posting the story in a public forum? In what way does this lessen the humiliation for Sarah? This sounds to me a lot more like the storytelling of a licentious braggart than a true humble apology.
Posted by Valentine014 (Member # 5981) on :
Funny thing though, Geoff..I didn't see him apologize here and Sarah didn't mention that he did either.
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
Hey, Valentine, that's true. JT's post actually reminds me of all the "Are you mad at me?" speeches made by Hayden Christensen in Shattered Glass. He didn't actually feel the slightest remorse. He just feared reproach, and thought that looking contrite would get him out of trouble.
JT, that's how you look right now. If I were you, I'd spend less time trying to talk your way out of trouble with us, and work on changing your outlook on life and your treatment of your "friends". You're not going to convince anyone you're truly sorry and deserve forgiveness overnight. But maybe you can learn to avoid pulling this kind of crap in the future.
[ May 24, 2004, 08:43 PM: Message edited by: A Rat Named Dog ]
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
He didn't at his party afterwards, either... Rainelle did, about ten million times, but Tyler seemed somehow to think that he was justified... at least, he had no qualms about telling everyone. And that certainly includes Sarah.
(edit: I meant that he didn't apologize, I was responding to Val's post)
[ May 24, 2004, 08:43 PM: Message edited by: Raia ]
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Here's the deal, Stryker: you don't kiss and tell. You ESPECIALLY don't kiss the wrong person and tell.
So while I don't think you're up for a good shunning, you should expect to do some MAJOR fetching, carrying, and kowtowing for the next few months before the people affected will smile at you again.
Posted by caliburn84 (Member # 4949) on :
*I didn't have a date for prom so i may be one-sided on this i also didn't read his last post so that plays a factor here too*
JT- Stuff happens, if this was just a one shot deal with the chick you took, you both knew the risk going into it, you made your play and you got the other chick. don't waste time, if prom was where it was gonna happen oh well. I wish ya both the best, and this may be rather mean...but it obviously wasn't meant to be with the other girl if you make out with someone else so just let it go, it'll do ya no good to think about it and judge yourself. if she has issues, thats what counseling is for.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
There's a concept called class. This isn't it.
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
caliburn, that's disgusting. So what you're saying is, when you do something seriously hurtful to a close friend, you should forget about it and blow them off, and if they have a problem with that, they should get counseling?
What kind of solipsist paradise do you live in?
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
Caliburn, would you be terribly offended if I asked you how old you are? I really am very curious.
(edit: Ditto what Geoff said)
[ May 24, 2004, 08:50 PM: Message edited by: Raia ]
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
What Dagonee said.
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
Dag, I think that the idea of "class" may be totally lost on the mainstream culture of the current high school generation. Realize that a lot of these kids are looking at their values through the MTV version of reality. In that version of the world, "class" is just something to be ditched.
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
Never mind, caliburn... the '84 might be some indication as to how old you are...
(thanks Val for making me feel intelligent )
Posted by cochick (Member # 6167) on :
I must say Sarah has shown a lot of backbone to stay as calm and detached from this as she has.
Tyler - putting this thread out here when you know that Sarah and other friends also frequent the same site probably wasn't the smartest thing you've ever done. I assumed you were looking for advice on how to remedy the situation with her. I stand by my first post. Especially if you haven't apologised to her.
I also however think that some of the other comments are beginning to go over the top now. Most of you have agreed that he was wrong to bring it up here and I'm sure he realises it now.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Sarah has been very cool about this. Kudos to you, Sarah. And beyond this, JT did something *more* to hurt you? Not apologizing and then doing something to hurt your credibility? JT, you have some serious groveling to do. I hereby declare you are Sarah's personal slave till she releases you. :nod:
Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
I almost get the impression that we're supposed to feel sorry for Stryker.
Posted by Valentine014 (Member # 5981) on :
quote: Most of you have agreed that he was wrong to bring it up here and I'm sure he realises it now.
Then why hasn't he deleted this thread?
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Like your supposed to feel sorry for Alex in "Clockwork Orange"?
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
He hasn't deleted the thread because he left just after his first post.
Thanks to everyone who has said anything nice about either of us, because I still feel that stryker is a relatively nice person, who is stuck in middle school.
He is my slave until I leave the state in the middle of june. Rainelle can just join the used by tyler club with me.
Sarah
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
quote: Sarah has been very cool about this. Kudos to you, Sarah. And beyond this, JT did something *more* to hurt you? Not apologizing and then doing something to hurt your credibility? JT, you have some serious groveling to do. I hereby declare you are Sarah's personal slave till she releases you. :nod:
I second the motion. This is low. This is one of those things you remember for a long time.
Posted by Lalo (Member # 3772) on :
Yeesh.
I back Geoff and Niki and etceteras. While your story's fairly tame in comparison to some of my friends' histories, this little anecdote's just ridiculously pathetic. Whitewashed suburban boy, you take a woman out, you treat her right -- if there's any justice in the world, you'll be left at the altar and get to read her public brag of the experience the day after.
Sometimes I despair for my generation even more than I despair for the rest of America.
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
Wow. I agree with Lalo. The world IS coming to an end Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
Our generation is horrible. I am going to go cry now.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Fetch me my smellin' salts. I'm a faintin'!
Edit: Obviously this was meant to be somnething along the lines of Geoff's post about agreeing with Lalo. Dam' intervening post!
[ May 24, 2004, 09:54 PM: Message edited by: Dagonee ]
Posted by Lalo (Member # 3772) on :
Aw, don't despair, B-chick. We at least still have me.
Sheeyit. Representin.
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
That makes everything all better. Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
Thanks Lalo.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
O_O I also agree with Lalo! Pass the smelling salts, please.
I'd like to point out an additional fact. Stryker is not a senior; he attended prom because he went with a senior. That's right, he carelessly stomped on breyer's feelings at her senior prom -- but he still has his own to look forward to.
Then again, he also has this to live down. Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
rivka is right, but I really don't need him killed, let's let him suffer.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I can arrange for that.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
*sets cauldron of oil on large flame*
Posted by J T Stryker (Member # 6300) on :
quote: So while I don't think you're up for a good shunning, you should expect to do some MAJOR fetching, carrying, and kowtowing for the next few months before the people affected will smile at you again. ------------------------------------------------------------------------
I know.
quote: So you try to atone for it by posting the story in a public forum?
I'm not tying to make up for what I've done, I'm just getting it out in the open, I did something stupid, yes, I'm the first to admit that, but I prefer being called slim to my face rather than my back, and I have no problem admitting to the world that I acted like a complete jerk.
quote: This sounds to me a lot more like the storytelling of a licentious braggart than a true humble apology.
quote: putting this thread out here when you know that Sarah and other friends also frequent the same site probably wasn't the smartest thing you've ever done
This isn't an apology, I'm already done that multiple times and in person, Sarah and I have made our peace with my stupidity. This thread was so the rest of our friends can do the same, I hope.
quote: He didn't at his party afterwards
Just because I didn't do it publicly doesn't mean I didn't do it, and it's not like you talked to me that much afterwards anyways, Raia.
quote: Stuff happens, if this was just a one shot deal with the chick you took, you both knew the risk going into it, you made your play and you got the other chick. don't waste time, if prom was where it was gonna happen oh well.
Unfortunately it wasn't a one shot deal, it just kind of happened.
quote: quote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Most of you have agreed that he was wrong to bring it up here and I'm sure he realises it now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Then why hasn't he deleted this thread?
I haven't deleted it because I'm not about to hide what I've done just to save face, I maybe shouldn't have posted it on a public forum, but all of the really angry friends post here and all but one have posted on this thread.
Thank you for your comments, I deserve every last one of the cruel ones, and those of you who kind of stood up for me, thanks, but even I can't defend my actions.
Stryker
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
"Unfortunately it wasn't a one shot deal, it just kind of happened."
Take responsibility for your actions, Stryker. Don't blame the girl -- actually, either of the girls -- involved, don't make excuses.
Step up and take responsibility. You made BAD choices, and have said nothing (here, at least) to indicate you wouldn't do exactly the same thing again, given the opportunity.
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
I don't want you killed, or even castrated (though that might be nice, I would like to see your children torture you someday), not even shunned. Just a little torture. but not too much. I want to stay friends with him, and hope for the best of him and Rainelle. But I question his judgement, and wish he would have been a little more tactful.
Posted by J T Stryker (Member # 6300) on :
sorry, I do take the blame, and i didn't mean to sound like i was trying to get out of it.
Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
Very interesting. Veeeery interesting. I'm especially impressed by how JT hasn't learned anything and how he doens't seem to realize that he's going to pull this kind of stunt again. Then there's the attention-seeking drama queen aspect, what are the odds that's going to change in the next couple of years? And let's not forgot the public display we have going here so he can fight with other people about what he did as opposed to himself. The former being a heck of a lot easier than the latter.
You're a class act, my man. Class. Act.
Oh, right, and there's nothing you can possibly say that won't simply make you look worse than you already do. That actually goes for everyone who actually knows the people involved.
Edit: A little thing called grammar
[ May 24, 2004, 11:02 PM: Message edited by: Bob the Lawyer ]
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
quote: it's not like you talked to me that much afterwards anyways, Raia.
No, to be honest, I didn't have a particular desire to speak to you considering you were hitting on me after that whole display.
Look Tyler, I'm sorry if I was harsh, but I really needed to get that out, because I was so outraged. Maybe I went too far, I dunno... but I honestly don't think I did, it just seems so, especially as it's coming from me, who can't even tease someone without feeling bad. So I mean it, and I feel awful, and everyone is in shock.
So, please accept my apology for my bluntness, but I don't go back on what I said.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Raia, I don't think you have anything to apologize for.
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
Probably not, but I'm too tired to argue... I'm really exhausted. Maybe I'll be more together tomorrow. I'm just so sick of this whole drama. Ugh.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
(((((Raia)))))
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
Thanks rivka... I appreciate that, but it's really not me who needs them as much as Sarah, I'm just kvetching.
But I still welcome them, as I'm rather frustrated. So thank you! (((((((rivka)))))))
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
Ok people: a) Sarah made him post this, it wasn't his idea, I don't know why neither of them have said so yet, but I was there while he was posting it, and she was looking over his shoulder telling him to.
b) He did apologize, several times, again, I was there, I can attest to it.
c) I definately didn't notice tyler hitting on Raia, although I did go to bed at 2:30, so I might have missed it.
No, it wasn't a good situation, but honestly, it also wasn't nearly as bad as everyone is making it out to be. I wasn't happy about it, but I think some stuff needs to be straightened out.
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
I avoided situations like these in high school with a good, sturdy pair of insurance company glasses.
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
My avoidance method was an all-girls school and frizzy afro hair.
Worked wonders.
[ May 25, 2004, 01:32 AM: Message edited by: imogen ]
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
Also, I wore my mother's clothes and one time tried to do a stand-up comedy act in front of my entire school, which bombed considerably.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I found going to an all-girls school very effective.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
My mother picked out my glasses.
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
I can see how those could have worked, Ralphie.
I think Tony's choice of avoidance was being good at drama and english. At his high school, that was more than enough.
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
I think we should post pics of what we looked like in high school and tell each other how much better we look now.
The best compliment a Ralphie can receive, "Oh, wow. You don't look ANYTHING like you did in high school."
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
[ May 25, 2004, 01:47 AM: Message edited by: mackillian ]
Posted by Da_Goat (Member # 5529) on :
One word:
Hometaught.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
JT, I only have read your first post so far, but I would have to point out that Rainelle's parents seem to be right about her. Or do you feel they drove her crazy? Anyway, I wonder why you found it attractive that she lied to them. And did she have a date? Did you somehow feel the need to rescue her from this?
Also, I thought Raia introduced you as her boyfriend. I sure hope none of these young ladies is a hatracker.
But as for Aimee, she will have an energizer battery of resentment and anger that will probably keep her chaste much longer, so really you did her a favor.
P.S. After scanning the page... I found a picture of my mohawk! It had grown in a bit. I'll try to scan it tomorrow and get it on foobonic.
[ May 25, 2004, 01:50 AM: Message edited by: pooka ]
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
This didn't happen to me, but it happened to one of the couples in my group that I went to Homecoming with. Fewer broken friendships and more broken noses, I think. You're lucky Sarah doesn't throw a punch.
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
In light of blacwolve's post, I'd like to say that all of you should know better than to accuse Stryker of this and that while not knowing the whole story !
In my last few years on this rock called Earth I've learned that emotions can get in the way of even the most basic notions of common sense. And I think that Stryker proved he's got his common sense back by apologizing to Sarah.
Why didn't he post what blacwolve posted in the first place ? Because he thought it wasn't important, probably. But in a situation like this everything is important. And there's no unique interpretation, there are soooo many of them. And there's rarely a "right" and a "wrong". I don't know how old each of the "attackers" is, but I hope someday you all will realize that it's not that simple as you put it. Or rather, it's simpler: strong emotions cloud judgment.
And Raia, well, I wanted to restrain myself too, but I can't Somehow, I think that your emotions got in the way of your writing. Whether it's true or not, I cannot say, only you can, but I think that what happened between you and Stryker is making you forget a little bit about common sense, too.
quote: I mean, look at you. You're a teenager. You've got all the time in the world ahead of you, and you think you have to make out with Rainelle THAT NIGHT?
Geoff, I think that's one big piece of crap ! Just because you're a teenager doesn't mean you have to wait to find love. And for all I can see, for Stryker it might have been the best occasion to make a move on Rainelle. Now, if he and Rainelle are smart, they'll put this whole incident aside and move on. They've both made their apologies to Sarah, what's more to do ?!
quote: Whitewashed suburban boy, you take a woman out, you treat her right -- if there's any justice in the world, you'll be left at the altar and get to read her public brag of the experience the day after.
Lalo, this is why I hate justice so much ! I'd rather Stryker learned his lesson - and I think he did - and go on to live a better life. The whole "eye for an eye" thing just doesn't appeal to me.
Stryker, you must have a pretty hard time reading this thread right now, so I think a hug is in order:
((((Stryker))))
Edit: To correct some lil' errors (surely not all of them).
[ May 25, 2004, 06:31 AM: Message edited by: Corwin ]
Posted by CalvinMaker (Member # 2032) on :
Corwin---I do see where you are coming from, and you make some valid points. I take issue with some of it though.
For one, I agree that emotions can cloud judgement. That's no excuse though. Yes, people make mistakes. But when you do make a mistake, you can't just say, "Oh, it's my emotion's fault." You have to try your best to NOT let your emotions take hold, and when they do, you do your best to make amends for whatever misdeeds you may have done. Excuses hold no water with me.
And yes, it's true that there's such a thing as teen-love and all that. I have friends who fell in love when they were in their teens. But you still have to weigh the options. Is it worth hurting a friend in order to make your move at the opportune moment? It might very well be worth it. Maybe you really feel it's your only chance to do so and get good results. But maybe there might've been other chances to have made a move that would have been less detrimental. I don't know the situation well enough to answer that question.
BUT, I also feel you shouldn't attack those who posted their opinions on this thread based on the information that was given. True, the whole story was not given. But that's not the fault of those who posted in here. They were given X amount of information, posted in a public place. It's their right to form and post their opinion based on that amount of information. Maybe, if they hear more of the situation later, they might change their opinion. But even so, if everyone around here didn't post because they didn't know the "whole story", there would be a LOT less posts on this forum.
Posted by Richard Berg (Member # 133) on :
Looks like I missed a fun time after all
I was a complete tool at my senior prom, so I'll spare the value judgements. He'll have plenty of time the next 60 years to feel stupid.
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
CalvinMaker, you're right in saying that people have the right to form on opinion based on what has been written until the time they posted. I mean, I do that too. What angered me was the fact that the opinions were so strong against Stryker while there was almost certainly more to that story. In my opinion, when you're not sure wether you have complete information - or at least nearly complete -, it's better to first ask if there's more rather than just going ahead with what you have. It's not that I'm making excuses for Stryker. It was obviously not the best thing to do and he realized that, but I can understand why he did it. I've done things that are a million times worse than what he did while being 100% sure that I was doing the right thing. And now I've learned the lessons and I'm also happy that I have friends who care enough for me in order to forgive my "romantic" impulses. Anyway, right now romanticism gets a very low grade from me...
Richard, I missed some of the fun too because of the time difference. But that's what's nice with the forum: this things are written down for ETERNITY ! Posted by Marek (Member # 5404) on :
I think I am in no position to fairly judge Stryker, or assess the situation. I have my opinions of him and the situation, but think I should not state them here. Still though, I had a theory about this part of blacwolve's post:
quote: a) Sarah made him post this, it wasn't his idea, I don't know why neither of them have said so yet, but I was there while he was posting it, and she was looking over his shoulder telling him to.
Is it possible that the reason why neither of them said it was her idea is that this thread is some sort of penance for him? If so I kind of respect him for opening himself up to the potential judgement and abuse from people all over the world who post here when directed to do so as penance. Though I still think that the thread it self is far from being the worse thing he did in this whole mess.
[EDIT: I didn't realize how bad my grammer was until I saw it quoted *shudders*]
[ May 25, 2004, 08:48 AM: Message edited by: Marek ]
Posted by J T Stryker (Member # 6300) on :
quote: Is it possible the reason why neither of said it was her idea is that this some sort of penance for him?
Yes, it is possible.
Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
Man, where's the gay train when you need it?
Oh wait, here it is:
All aboard, kids!
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
"Just because you're a teenager doesn't mean you have to wait to find love"?!
Ah, I see. Waiting one day, that's quite a sacrifice right there. Y'know, setting aside the 24 hours surrounding prom to, you know, pay attention to your DATE....that's just asking too much.
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
pH, it's not about waiting one day, or even a couple of hours. It's about not answering Rainelle's actions at the prom. What do you think would have happened if Stryker wouldn't have gone "to the rescue" when she was getting bored ? Or if, afterwards, on the dance floor, he would have tried to ignore her flirting - or more than flirting ? Probably, she would have thought: he doesn't seem to care THAT much about me...
And come on: when the one you like finally starts to "answer your prayers", how easy do you think it is to say: "Not now. It's not the good moment. Maybe later." ??
Again, I'm not saying that he had to do this. Or that he was right to do it. I'm saying these are possible reasons for which he did it. And since I would have probably done the same, or something like it anyway, if I were in his shoes some years ago, I don't think I can criticize him.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Actually, I feel most qualified to criticize actions that I would have taken/did take when younger, but have grown to learn how bad/stupid/hurtful it is.
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
Well, I don't see it that way. I could explain to him why he should not have done it, as anyone else does right now. But as they say: hindsight is always twenty-twenty. It's something to give a cold analysis on this, after it happened, and while not being involved in the whole "drama", and something totaly different to actually live it. It's not like he had a "Guide of good conduct" that said: "Wait ! Don't fall in love now !" In a society that portrays love as the ultimate goal, I think you can say he received - and not only him, all of us - the contrary advice, the "I'd do anything for love" one.
And I said it before and I'll say it again: I think all of this has blown out of proportions and I hope in a year or so all of the persons implicated in this will have a good laugh while rereading the thread.
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
And something else I don't get, probably because I don't realize the "importance" of the prom.
If I came with a friend of mine, and she would find someone special at the prom - on such a big occasion - I'd be so happy for her ! And certainly not what Sarah said: "rivka is right, but I really don't need him killed, let's let him suffer." I think that is vengeful and childish. It was probably written only as a joke, but I think that with all of what's already written in the thread, it's a very poor one.
I don't know. Stryker might not be the cutest person in real life, but what I see now is that he had a tough situation on his hands, and ganging up on him seems really... not classy. And please, all of you, think of your "adventures" as a teenager before throwing rocks at Stryker. Think of how you were treated for them, and how you would have wanted to be treated.
[ May 25, 2004, 10:31 AM: Message edited by: Corwin ]
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
Blacwolve and everyone. This isn’t the post I was with Stryker when he posted. That one was deleted before we left the house. This I had nothing to do with the original. I am no longer mad but want this all to end. I am sorry for what this thread may have done to all hatrackers.
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
quote:I am sorry for what this thread may have done to all hatrackers.
What, reminded me of high school?
DAMN YOU TO HELL. Posted by Rappin' Ronnie Reagan (Member # 5626) on :
quote: And something else I don't get, probably because I don't realize the "importance" of the prom.
If I came with a friend of mine, and she would find someone special at the prom - on such a big occasion
Just because you don't think prom is important doesn't mean you have to make fun of people who do.
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
Mmmm... drama...
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
High school drama is the best drama, isn't it?
Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
Someone should make a TV show about high school drama.
* waits for producers to call her about her exciting new idea *
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
I know - let's make it exotic by setting it in Beverly Hills!
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
*volunteers to be love interest of the bad-boy-with-a-heart-of-gold*
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
So all of you guys go to school together, live in the same town, and all post together here at Hatrack? *confused*
Farmgirl
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
Actually I find this whole conversation VERY facinating. I'm actually tempted to put my toe into this pool of drama....
*inserts big toe*
I agree that for JTStryker to bring this up might make him a drama-queen...but there is also the possibility that he wanted to announce his sins, get yelled at, and then forgiven. And I think why the people involved are insulted by that is because they see the attempt to win forgiveness...an attempt to coerce them.
As a stranger to him I must give the benefit of the doubt. Basically hijacking the date from the girl you took out to another girl there is very cold, but I don't think he did planned it. It was spur of the moment and lovely teenage hormones. Ahhh... remember the days...
You'll all look back on this, I'm sure, and smile. When we get older we don't have as many passions or as deep...
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Thank goodness!
edit: (about the passions)
[ May 25, 2004, 03:52 PM: Message edited by: mr_porteiro_head ]
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
quote:When we get older we don't have as many passions or as deep...
Until the mid-life crisis, that is.
There's no fool like an old fool.
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
quote:When we get older we don't have as many passions or as deep...
*snort*
Spoken like a twenty-something. Anyone who thinks this sort of high school drama is representative of deep passion doesn’t know the meaning of either word.
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
Corwin, many others agree with me, others who have not dated him in the past!
Posted by J T Stryker (Member # 6300) on :
quote: but there is also the possibility that he wanted to announce his sins, get yelled at, and then forgiven.
Well, Telperion, you got my reasoning down. Sarah forgave me before Rainelle and I were out of site, it's the rest of our group who i needed to have a way to vent on me.
Farmgirl, Yes we all spend way too much time posting on here and not enough time talking on Aim, sorry.
Raia, which ex-girlfriends have you talked to? I can only think of one (besides you) that didn't still think I'm a great guy after we were done dating.
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
I'm not talking about ex-girlfriends... I said who have NOT dated you in the past. I was saying that many people take my viewpoint on this matter, people who don't have the emotional strain of having dated you get in the way.
And I did still think you were a fine person after we broke up, but I'm sorry, you seem rather shallow to me, now that I see more of you.
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
quote: When we get older we don't have as many passions or as deep...
Who DID say that? I can't find the post.
I'm twenty-something. And I think that's rubbish. My passions are deeper now, as I'm not nearly as shallow as I was in high school.
edit: Ahh... Telperion.
Hey, Telperion - that's rubbish.
[ May 25, 2004, 10:04 PM: Message edited by: Ralphie ]
Posted by flyby (Member # 3630) on :
I think there is a certain value in being able to restrain one's physical passions, such as - it helps you restrain yourself and say "Hey, I like you, but I'm on a date with Sarah, so don't think I don't like you, but we should save this for later." So, yeah, you probably agree that would be a better course of action, but it takes a change in attitude to decide that that is the kind of person you want to be, that you want to be able to restrain yourself when a pretty girl wants to make out with you.
So yeah, for the sake of this one incident, it's important to apologize to your friends, to get everything to be cool in that way, but the next step is figuring out how you're going to get yourself not to do the same thing again to another girl.
[Informational edit: thread locked by request. --PJ]
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