Anybody see this movie? I definantly would recommend it to anyone who has strong feelings on organized religion.
Thoughts? Questions? Concerns?
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
(Hey Ryan! )
Posted by Damien (Member # 5611) on :
Strong feelings in which direction on organized religion? >_>
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
The review in the paper sounds like Saved is making fun of organized religion. Anyone seen it who can say for sure?
Posted by dawnmaria (Member # 4142) on :
Yes, they are panning organized religion. It was a funny movie. They were really making fun of extremist, not just organized religion. But as always we should take into account not all very religious people are like this and to each his own. It's just a movie.
Posted by porcelain girl (Member # 1080) on :
i plan on seeing it!
and speaking of movies i can't wait for napoleon dynamite to come out in all the theaters!
i can catch it in LA when i move, but i really wanted to see it with my brothers since the movie is so much like my brother mitch and his best friend peter.
Posted by Ryan Hart (Member # 5513) on :
Actually the movie is for people from both ends of the religious spectrum. It ends with an actual positive Christian message. The movie is also valuble for exposing the sins of the great majority of the Evangelical Christian tradition.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
It seems to me that sins only need to be exposed to the sinner himself, and making fun of him first is not a good way to get him to open his heart to your message.
But, I don't know anything about this movie.
Posted by gnixing (Member # 768) on :
i think that with macauley caulkin in it... it's got to be pretty cheesy. unless his acting has improved with his age.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:The movie is also valuble for exposing the sins of the great majority of the Evangelical Christian tradition.
And you have personal knowledge of what those sins are? This statement seems full of hubris.
Dagonee
Posted by ssywak (Member # 807) on :
Yes, because we know that the evangelical Christians have absolutely no hubris whatsoever.
I think that pride is a sin, Dagonee.
[ June 13, 2004, 05:06 PM: Message edited by: ssywak ]
Posted by celia60 (Member # 2039) on :
the previews gave me nasty flashbacks, but one of my friends gave it a review that makes me want to rent it anyway. i think i'll pass on the theater experience, though.
Posted by dawnmaria (Member # 4142) on :
Macauley Caulkin was actually pretty good in it. I was pleasently surprised.
Posted by gnixing (Member # 768) on :
did anybody that saw it get flashbacks of home alone? if not, maybe i'll see it... it does look kind of funny.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:Yes, because we know that the evangelical Christians have absolutely no hubris whatsoever.
I think that pride is a sin, Dagonee.
Ryan and you (since you seem to agree with him) seem to be brushing a lot of people who spend a lot of time doing good works in this country with an incredibly broad brush. The movie's not parodying evangelicals so much as it's parodying the popular media's charicature of evangelical Christians.
Are you even aware that evangelical does not necessarily equal fundamentalist?
Dagonee
Posted by ssywak (Member # 807) on :
Oh, all right! I'll actually take a moment to understand what I'm actually talking about;
The term "evangelical" is used in a variety of ways, typically to refer to a range of Protestants. I will use the phrase more generally to designate any Christian, a person who has been baptized, who subscribes to two propositions: 1) salvation is found through faith in Jesus Christ, and 2) the Bible is the authoritative word of God in matters pertaining to Christian faith and theology. Evangelicals may affirm these beliefs even as they acknowledge abuses that have been rationalized in their name. For example, evangelicals have been criticized for excessively individualistic piety and ignoring issues of social justice. In particular, evangelicals are known not to be particularly concerned about ecology.
All right, so I fall into the prejudicial line of thought. I apologize.
But you know, now I'm going to have to expect the same level of fair-mindedness from you then! Do you has what it takes?
Man, who am I going to have left to play the bad guys?
[ June 13, 2004, 06:54 PM: Message edited by: ssywak ]
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:But you know, now I'm going to have to expect the same level of fair-mindedness from you then! Do you has what it takes?
I'd like to think I demonstrate that pretty consistently.
quote:Man, who am I going to have left to play the bad guys?
People who don't use their turn signals when turning into parking lots, making the person turning out of the parking lot miss a perfect chance to pull into traffic.
They're all EVIIIIIIIIL!
Dagonee
Posted by porcelain girl (Member # 1080) on :
quote:i think that with macauley caulkin in it... it's got to be pretty cheesy. unless his acting has improved with his age.
actually i am really curious to see caulkin nowadays. i like kerin, but also have no desire to see Party Monster.
Posted by Ryan Hart (Member # 5513) on :
Just so you know, I am an evangelical Christian. I think it's certainly a satire and taken to an extreme, but it does hit some very hard points.
Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
I heard that Michael Stipe (who was involved in the production) considered it a movie with a sincere religious sentiment at its core.
But then, I thought Dogma had a very sincere religious sentiment at its core, too.
I wanna see it, but I'll have to take my inhaler. Just in case I have flashbacks.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
How's it compare to the Life of Brian?
FG
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
I also thought Dogma had a sincere religious sentiment at it’s core. I first saw it with a seminary theological discussion group.
(Oh – that’s seminary as in grad-school, I know some folks on the site use the word differently)
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
So this is supposed to be a Catholic school....but not Catholic? ARE there such things as Protestant schools?? I guess there are...but I've never heard of them.
[ June 14, 2004, 03:11 PM: Message edited by: Telperion the Silver ]
Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
Hey. I went to Christian schools, several of them. None of them Catholic.
But I didn't kow this was supposed to be a bout that.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I have no desire whatsoever to see this movie. I have a feeling it would annoy me on every level - the filmmakers for making fun of (yet again) religion, the students in the movie for using religion as social currency, the reviewers for clapping at and applauding for only the religious movies that wink with "You and I both know these people are stupid", and ESPECIALLY the *SPOILERS* portrayal of the idiot girl who thinks manipulating someone's life is a good reason to and excuse for breaking a serious commandment.
The internet commentaries that condemn the movie for - no kidding - spreading an "anti-choice" message have already made my skin crawl. I'm avoiding the movie to keep from throwing things.
[ June 14, 2004, 03:52 PM: Message edited by: katharina ]
Posted by celia60 (Member # 2039) on :
quote: the students in the movie for using religion as social currency
Welcome to my husband's high school.
Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
And, incidentally, the college I attended. It's the reason churches still make me break out in hives.
I do think it is a valid topic of exploration, as far as that goes. Especially for anyone who has lived in that culture, as I have.
Though I'm the first to admit that this could suck hard, I'm still interested.
Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
I consider the people who stop me on the street or bother me at home in order to educate me as to why their religion is the best to be far more annoying than a movie I can easily avoid.
Maybe the media's presentation is more insidious, but at least I can feel like I'm avoiding it Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
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