I just tried going to Hatrack through Explorer and I got a page - something about Apache software - saying if I was seeing it the site was having problems.
I did the same thing on AOL and merely ended up with a nasty and vulgar message that looked like the site had been hacked - "Spykids ownzzz your security, etc."
I was able to get in by accessing the URL of the message board through my "history" list. Apparently, I only get stopped if I go to just plain old "hatrack.com" - anybody else notice this?
Are we gonna be down soon for a purging of invading hacker stuff?
[ June 28, 2004, 08:05 PM: Message edited by: sndrake ]
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
I'm sure as hell not going to Hatrack.com to test it. Report your post have them check it out...
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
I see that as well. How stupid.
Posted by Shepherdess (Member # 6115) on :
I got the message when I first signed on too. Speaking of obscene language--Cheney would be proud!
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
Frankly--and I don't mean to be rude or one of those surly oldbies--I think we've covered that topic sufficiently today.
Posted by Boon (Member # 4646) on :
See, and this is why I never, ever leave. Posted by Derrell (Member # 6062) on :
I got that message too. I wonder if the mods know about this?
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
Yep...it's there on the home page.
Jerks.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
No, saxon, I don't think you get it. See, Cheney recently used the "f" word in the Senate. And the "f" word is on the front page. So since Cheney said that word, he'd probably approve of its use by these hackers. Get it? Not only is it a keen insight, but it's a scathing political commentary, too. High comedy, no doubt.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
You guys do know that there's been a hack to web sites that can actually hack certain versions of IE, right?
So if you have IE, don't go there!
Dagonee Edit: Job Boy, I think it would be impolitic of me to tell you how much I enjoyed that...
[ June 28, 2004, 07:25 PM: Message edited by: Dagonee ]
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Job Boy?
But however you choose to spell my name, I'm glad you enjoyed my remarks.
[ June 28, 2004, 07:28 PM: Message edited by: Jon Boy ]
Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
Looks like these kids are enjoying their Summer vacation. Go outside and build a treehouse or dig a tunnel in the back yard!
Posted by Derrell (Member # 6062) on :
I just tried it using firefox and got the same message.
Posted by Lupus (Member # 6516) on :
at least they only hacked the main page, and did not take the forums down...though the admins and mods should change their passwords, since if they felt like it they could have downloaded the UBB password files so they can log in as admins/mods and mess with things at a later date.
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
Oh, I get it now. Thanks, Jon.
Posted by Erik Slaine (Member # 5583) on :
Jobe Boy?
That could be really annoying.
Posted by Lalo (Member # 3772) on :
Hmm. Crap, I visited there with IE.
I'll let you know if my computer starts setting off Soviet missiles or something.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
L-_1!! $$%SS@MLX<XM#)55@1X2V4
My query is as follows: Is the sit installing all sorts of viruses on us?
Posted by Shepherdess (Member # 6115) on :
quote:Frankly--and I don't mean to be rude or one of those surly oldbies--
Oh, I think that's exactly what you meant to be.
And I know what thread you're talking about--good job of derailing it! Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
No, it really was not my intention to be rude or surly. I just think that that topic has proven to be rather inflammatory, and I would really prefer to limit the opportunity for heated fighting.
If you think I was being intentionally rude then I apologize.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
Well, I reported my own message with a brief note (I think I blew the whistle on a post all of once - the original post gets included in the message to the mod, right?)
See what happens...
Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
I was hoping the hackers could search the UBB userlist and give us a definitive list of all users and their alternative logins. Maybe we'll find that only 30 of us are real.
Posted by Shepherdess (Member # 6115) on :
quote: If you think I was being intentionally rude then I apologize.
Accepted, though I'm sure I deserved it. BTW, I thought of a recent article I read when I saw your apology. The Sorry State of Remorse
And Job Boy, I should be apologizing to you! I feel like I'm (albeit indirectly) responsible for your new name!
[ June 28, 2004, 08:11 PM: Message edited by: Shepherdess ]
Posted by Nato (Member # 1448) on :
If it's an Apache server, it's not going to have the problems that people using Microsoft IIS are having. It won't mess up your computer, even if you visit the page with Internet Explorer.
Silly little hacker kiddies.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
quote:On the surface, Hatrack appears to be populated with thousands of registered members.
In fact, there are an estimated 15-20 people doing all the posting here. The rest are screen names for their "alter egos." There are entire threads that are composed of nothing more than one individual "talking" with his or her alters.
Posted by Mr.Funny (Member # 4467) on :
Has anyone emailed the admins about this? And what kind of a person would do this to hatrack??? Posted by Nato (Member # 1448) on :
quote:at least they only hacked the main page, and did not take the forums down...though the admins and mods should change their passwords, since if they felt like it they could have downloaded the UBB password files so they can log in as admins/mods and mess with things at a later date.
I bet the password file is encrypted. Although even with a list of encrypted passwords it may be possible for hackers to write themselves cookies that allow them to be logged on. Still, changing passwords is frequently a good idea after something like this.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
I just now tried the main page on aol here at home and it came up clean. Looks like maybe they changed the locks on the front door. Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
sndrake:
quote:...In fact...
So Hatrack's UBB userlist has been hacked before?
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:I was hoping the hackers could search the UBB userlist and give us a definitive list of all users and their alternative logins.
Why would you hope for that?
Posted by Lupus (Member # 6516) on :
quote:I bet the password file is encrypted.
I doubt it, I used to run a UBB board and the password file was not encrypted...they had you put in in a directory that could not be accessed via the website (ie: you needed FTP access to get to it) but since they changed the index file they have FTP access. We don't use UBB anymore though, so things might have changed.
Another thing the admins need to be careful of, is it would be possible for the person to create new admin accounts for themselves. This is easy to double check (just make sure that there are no accounts that have admin access that should not have it).
All of this is rather unlikely...it would be a lot effort to go through, unless the job was personal (rather than someone just screwing around with a popular site)
[ June 28, 2004, 08:54 PM: Message edited by: Lupus ]
Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
so, is there a windows-based browser that is less vulnerable to these security problems? and free?
Posted by Rappin' Ronnie Reagan (Member # 5626) on :
Use firefox.
Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
Job Boy:
quote:Why would you hope for that?
To prove to the perpetually ornery and ever vigilant leader of the Utah Chapter of the Hatrack Mid-20's Clique that I am not another incarnation of OSC-fan.
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
Seems to be back up and in working order ... unless there is now something MORE insidious going on ...
Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
okay, I'm test-driving firefox now ... we'll see how this goes.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
There's always something more insidious going on. Trust me - I remember the Nixon years.
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
Oooh Look! OSC has written the intro to a new edition of When the Sleeper Wakes by H. G. Wells!!! WOW!
One of my favorite stories of all time. I'm dying to read what he says about it.
I actually proposed that my family band together and start a multi-generational bank account and keep it going as a legacy for the next several hundred years just to see if we would end up owning EVERYTHING like that guy in the story did.
Bwah ahahahahah
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
isnt there a maximun amount of money allowed in a bank account? That wouldn't work out too well Bob.
[ June 28, 2004, 09:57 PM: Message edited by: Little_Doctor ]
Posted by Yozhik (Member # 89) on :
Well, *I* have only ever posted under this username.
However, I'm not real.
Posted by Yozhik (Member # 89) on :
Also, I like English muffins. With nutella. Or butter. But not both at once.
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
LD: 1) you incorporate 2) you spread the money over several banks and several accounts within banks, and other investments...
3) It'd probably work better than the savings plan I have now.
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
lol i don't know these things Bob. Im not even done with high school. I learned maybe 60 minutes worth of garbage about banks in Jr. high.
[ June 28, 2004, 10:03 PM: Message edited by: Little_Doctor ]
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
Well, don't listen to me, I got my investment idea from a science fiction story about a guy who fell asleep and woke up owning the world.
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
Hey, whatever floats your boat.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I think I saw an infomercial for that last night.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:To prove to the perpetually ornery and ever vigilant leader of the Utah Chapter of the Hatrack Mid-20's Clique that I am not another incarnation of OSC-fan.
And who would that be?
Oh, and please don't call me Job Boy.
[ June 28, 2004, 10:21 PM: Message edited by: Jon Boy ]
Posted by Shepherdess (Member # 6115) on :
quote: Oh, and please don't call me Job Boy.
That name is reserved only for his special friends.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Thank you for speaking for me, random stranger.
Posted by Shepherdess (Member # 6115) on :
Oh, don't mention it, and I'm just returning the favor.
Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
quote:...leader of the Utah Chapter...
And who would that be?
...don't call me Job Boy...
That name is reserved only for his special friends.
So what's next on your agenda?
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Agenda? Care to explain?
Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
Agenda? You tell me.
All of the other dogs on the street have decided that I'm not that interesting, but you can't seem to resist snapping at my heels every time I ride by.
Posted by dabbler (Member # 6443) on :
huh. I don't know how my mid 20's clique was brought up, but Hey!
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Huh? skillery, are you ON something?
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Um . . . excuse me? You're calling me the perpetually ornery and ever-vigilant leader of the Utah mid-20s clique? That's hilarious. Yeah, and I'm the one with an agenda.
Hey, answer me this: if you think I'm out to get you, why did you register for my forum?
[ June 28, 2004, 11:48 PM: Message edited by: Jon Boy ]
Posted by Rappin' Ronnie Reagan (Member # 5626) on :
quote: So - has Hatrack been hacked? Is a crash next?
Yes.
Posted by Marek (Member # 5404) on :
was sndrake trying to warn us? is there one among us who knows the future? was this a giant plot and one member had second thoughts and decided to warn us all?
Tune in next time
Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
Jon Boy:
I'm confident that in the future you won't feel a need to respond to my posts: Exhibit A Exhibit B
There is nothing to be gained by further interaction between us.
To answer your question, I was looking at your artwork a while back and thought to join your forum. Every webmaster that has a forum wants more members and more post activity, right?
Posted by fallow (Member # 6268) on :
*mmmmm... mmm.....*
*munches cookie*
*longs for a jug 'o' milk*
Posted by Mr.Funny (Member # 4467) on :
You know what? For longest time, for some reason I have thought that it would be hilarious to be like:
For some reason, it just strikes me as hilarious.
Posted by fallow (Member # 6268) on :
*offers half an oversized-choc-o-chip to mr. funny*
I can't possibly finish this myself. *gag* care for some?
Posted by Mr.Funny (Member # 4467) on :
Mmmm... cookies...
*brings milk*
Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
*dreams that he is eating a cookie*
*wakes to find that he has been chewing on exhibit C*
Goose down...ptooooeeee
*wonders what he was drinking*
Posted by fallow (Member # 6268) on :
*munch*
blood of the ancestors.
mmm... chip? where have you been all my life?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
skillery, THOSE are your "evidence"? Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
*whisper* persecution complex */whisper*
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Wow. I honestly don't know what to say. I was hoping you would at least show some compelling evidence or something, but I must admit that I'm rather unimpressed and underwhelmed. I'm also not buying it for an instant. Anybody here can tell you that I am not the leader of any clique, nor am I perpetually ornery and ever-vigilant.
And if I recall correctly, it's been quite a while since I've accused you of being a fraud and a troll. That's 'cause I decided to back off and give you the benefit of the doubt, but your paranoid accusations don't help your case. But you know what? It's really not my concern. This isn't my forum, and unless you start harassing me or my friends, I'm not going to do anything about it. But consider yourself no longer welcome at my forum, just in case you still wanted to post there.
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
Shepherdess,
I have said twice now that I was not intentionally being rude, and I have already apologized for unintentionally coming across that way. If you really accepted my apology, I don't understand why you would dilute it by linking to an article about the worthlessness of public apologies. At best, it seems a little oblivious as to the connotation; at worst, it seems ungracious and spiteful. Having explained my previous actions and offered an apology, I'm not sure exactly what else you'd like from me.
Posted by Shepherdess (Member # 6115) on :
saxon75, I hate to bump this thread, because I was really hoping it would sink into oblivion! Your apology made me think of the article simply because of the phrase "if you think..." Couching an apology in terms that make the offended party feel like it was their fault can sometimes be less than effective. That doesn't mean it wasn't sincere--I'm sure it was, and once again I accept it. Furthermore, I apologize for hinting that I thought it wasn't.
I sincerely apologize as well for my thin cyber-skin, which is part of the reason I don't post much. I was simply making an offhand remark, and I was a little taken aback by the combination of responses--in particular JonBoy's sarcastic comments he made in my stead, which seemed to assume a lot of things about me, including both my political leanings and my intelligence. I'm afraid you may have received the brunt of my ungracious spitefulness, perhaps because you actually apologized to me (that'll teach you!).
Now, can we just let bygones be bygones? I don't post much, so I won't bother you much, and I generally do put more thought into my posts than I did into some on this thread. I'm not proud of them, but hopefully they'll be buried soon, in true Hatrack form.
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
Thank you, Shepherdess. I appreciate that you took the time to make that last post. I hope that you don't let this brief disagreement turn you off to Hatrack, or let it force you into lurkerdom.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
I wasn't making comments in your stead. I was simply making a comment. And I certainly didn't assume anything about your political leanings or intelligence. I thought your joke was unfunny, but I can't say that I know anything else about you.
Sorry. I'm usually not snarky to people I don't know. I shouldn't have said anything.
[ June 29, 2004, 05:42 PM: Message edited by: Jon Boy ]
Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
quote:I'm usually not snarky to people I don't know.
Well, not under that screenname, anyway....
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
But even when I'm Snarky to people I don't know, I try not to be snarky to people I don't know.
Posted by Shepherdess (Member # 6115) on :
saxon75, Thanks so much for your gracious words. I'm working my way out of lurkerdom. These things take time!
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