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Posted by AmkaProblemka (Member # 6495) on :
 
Health Care

Bush:

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President Bush believes all Americans should have access to affordable, quality health care. President Bush is working to address the root causes of rising health care costs, rather than shifting the costs to taxpayers or forcing Americans into an inflexible, one-size-fits-all bureaucratic system. The President's plan reduces the rising cost of health care; provides affordable coverage to those who need it most - low-income children and families, small businesses, the self-employed, and people who do not get health benefits through their job; and improves health care information, quality, and safety. To achieve the goal of more affordable health care, the President has:

Kerry:
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John Kerry and John Edwards have a plan to address soaring premiums and cut Americans a break. Their plan will lower family premiums by up to $1,000 a year, cut waste from the system, lower the cost of prescription drugs to provide real relief to seniors, and use targeted tax cuts to extend affordable, high-quality coverage to 95 percent of Americans, including every child. And because John Kerry and John Edwards believe that everyone's health is equally important, they will provide all Americans with access to the same coverage that members of Congress give themselves.


Technology
Kerry:

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John Kerry and John Edwards have a plan to ignite the growth of America's high-tech economy that will help create millions of high-tech, high-wage jobs in the industries of the future such as the broadband Internet, clean energy, nanotechnology, biotechnology, and advanced manufacturing. John Kerry and John Edwards are also committed to increasing investments in areas such as K-12 math and science education and long-term, high-risk research that will help ensure America's scientific, economic and technological leadership in the 21st century.


Bush:
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America's economy leads the world because our system of private enterprise rewards innovation. Entrepreneurs, scientists, and skilled workers create and apply the technologies that are changing our world. President Bush believes that Government must work to help create a new generation of American innovation and an atmosphere where innovation continues to thrive. The President also recognizes that as innovation produces new industries, we must invest in developing human capital - the skills, capabilities, and education of individuals - so people can secure these high-skilled, high-paying jobs.
http://www.georgewbush.com/Agenda/Chapter.aspx?ID=1
Environment

Bush:

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In his first year in office, President Bush made a comprehensive, long-term energy policy a top priority. His goal was clear and far-sighted: to promote affordable, reliable, and secure energy supplies by increasing conservation, investing in new technologies, and exploring for new domestic sources of energy. That plan included over 100 specific recommendations - nearly half of which addressed conservation, renewable energy, and energy efficiency.


Kerry:

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John Kerry and John Edwards will set a new standard of environmental excellence for America. They will honor our national treasures and pay tribute to our natural wonders, while renewing our nation's promise of clean air, clean water and a bountiful landscape for all. They recognize that we owe it to our families, our communities, and our planet to defend our environmental values and protect our environmental rights.
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/environment/

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/vision.pdf

 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
Man, the list helps remind me why I hate Bush so much; he manages to dissemble in plain sight, without any shame.

The man lists the "Clean Skies" initiative as an environmental plus. *shudder*
 
Posted by kaioshin00 (Member # 3740) on :
 
Does the President really have the power to do all those things? I tend to stay away from politics, but isn't a big part of all these policies what Congress and Senate have to say?
 
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
 
Tom, what's your basis for thinking that designating Clear Skies an environmental program is a lie (or a dissembling)?

[ September 03, 2004, 03:32 PM: Message edited by: Dagonee ]
 
Posted by AmkaProblemka (Member # 6495) on :
 
kaioshin:

Good question. The answer is no. He has the power to introduce initiatives into congress, and to veto or sign them into law once congress has pass them. He only has the power of persuasion with the budget. He is the commander in chief of all our military. As commander in chief, he has an ability enact presidential orders. He can nominate the judges for the Supreme Court. He chooses the people in his Cabinet, which is the group of advisors for policy. They can make bureaucratic rules for government agencies that can inact policies that congress never voted on.
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
"Tom, what's your basis for thinking that designating Clear Skies an environmental program is a lie?"

Because the core of the Clear Skies -- and there's a laughably propagandistic name if I've ever heard one -- Initiative was in fact the loosening of air quality regulations built into the Clean Air Act.
 
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
 
And if it can result in cleaner air when compared to the Clean Air Act results - not some mythical ideal of 100% compliance - then it can qualify as an environmental initiative.

Dagonee
 
Posted by Beren One Hand (Member # 3403) on :
 
I love how "help build refineries" is listed as an environmental objective.
 
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
 
Maybe it means cleaner refineries? I have no idea.
 
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
 
New refineries pollute less than old refineries. Kind of like a tax credit for hybrid automobiles.

Dagonee
 
Posted by Beren One Hand (Member # 3403) on :
 
There's no mention of "cleaner" refineries at Bush's website:

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Help Build Refineries - President Bush will remove unnecessary bureaucratic obstacles to help build new refineries to increase domestic capacity. (emphasis added)

George Bush dot com.


Bush's emphasis has always been on deregulation:

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"We need more refineries and we need less regulation out of Washington that prevents refineries from being built," [Bush] said. (emphasis added)

Source: CNN

And, as Dick Cheney honesly pointed out, that means more pollution:

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Republican vice presidential candidate Dick Cheney said Sunday the United States ought to boost its oil production by expanding drilling in Alaska and building more refineries.

Cheney, who left a lucrative post with a Texas oil-services company to join the GOP ticket, suggested some environmental standards might have to be relaxed to accomplish that goal. (emphasis added)

CNN 2000 article


Edited: damn links

[ September 03, 2004, 06:27 PM: Message edited by: Beren One Hand ]
 
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
 
Given how many of the studies that used to be done on clean air have been discontinued or made secret by the Bush administration, we have no way of measuring how many of the President's environmental initiatives are faring beyind voluntary industry reporting. I submit that this constitutes a failure.

I am of course assuming people have bothered reading the evisceration of the Bush admin's (anti-) scientific policies by a very large coalition of prominent scientists, which cited numerous particular examples.
 
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
 
Also, Dag, many times companies "expand" old refineries to avoid having to bring them up to environmental standards.
 


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