I can't even find a section to quote - it's the strangest mix of stuff I've ever seeen in one ad.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
ha ha. I like this one:
"The latest medical research - without the PC spin"
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
quote: THERE IS NO SUCH THING as an undeniable medical fact!
Ummmm...yes, this is quackery.
edit: let me rephrase that. that statement is completely wrong.
[ September 08, 2004, 09:45 PM: Message edited by: Storm Saxon ]
Posted by Mabus (Member # 6320) on :
Yes, it's quackery. (That doesn't mean some parts of it might not be true--you never know.) But when you see this attitude, one can almost guarantee that someone just wants your money.
Posted by WraithSword (Member # 6829) on :
I don't know, this forum is sufficient proof that there is no such thing as an undeniable fact, period. Of course, someone's sure to deny that fact, thus further proving the point.
But yeah, the guy has a duck.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Anti-malignin antibody has been studied since the seventies, and it has not been demonstrated to be sensitive and specific enough to be used as a screeening test. Most of the research has been done by two persons (S Bogoch and ES Bogoch), as there are too many false positives for others to be interested.
He misrepresents some studies, correctly represents others, and draws unfounded conclusions frequently. Bad news.
I won't take the time to pull it all apart, but if you have interest in a specific claim, I can probably fact-check effectively for you.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
No, no. Last thing I want to do is give you more homework.
I thought it was particularly interesting because of the mix of stuff. Pro-DDT, anti flouridation. It's like he threw a bunch of darts at a wacky theory dart board and then flipped a coin for each one to decide pro or con.
And I remember reading about a blood protein analysis technique still in very early stages in summer of 2003 that would detect cancers via blood test, but they said they'd need a different test for every single type of cancer. Highly theoretical and at least a decade from practice.
I've never understood why people buy into the conspiracies about "established medicine" supressing magic treatments.
If someone had a test like that, someone would be making money off it.
Dagonee
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
quote:If someone had a test like that, someone would be making money off it.
Yeah.
Although it's worth remembering the cautionary tale of H pylori and duodenal ulcers. The two Australian physician researchers were greeted with open hostility in professional circles, even after one had infected himself to prove the point (non-human animals are not infected by that bacteria). Sometimes the establishment does turn a chill shoulder to truth.
But anyone that claims he can cure more than two major diseases is waaaay off his rocker until decisively proven otherwise. It's, like, Sasse's Law. Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
quote: THERE IS NO SUCH THING as an undeniable medical fact!
Undeniable Medical Facts:
Drinking Drano is bad for your throat.
If you put a living human in front of a large, loaded howitzer's barrell and fire it, if it fires correctly, the human will not survive, and the body may not be recoverable.
Staring at the sun makes driving difficult.
You can not keep you eyes open as you sneeze.
For the present, men will continue to sire babies, and women will continue to birth them.
A long sharp object of over 2 meters in length, and 8 to 12 inches in width at the base, if shoved through the human body, is messy.
Without Oxygen then the human brain has trouble with quadratic equations.
need I go on?
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
I've benefited greatly from those two researchers sticking to their guns.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
This guy is full of it. The whole thing is a classic hard-sell tactic:
quote: Best Deal! Save US$133. Get a 3rd year for just $15 more! Plus 5 free Gifts! 3 Years, 36 issues for just US$89
Great Deal! Save US$74. Get 5 Free Gifts! 2 Years, 24 issues for just US$74
Good Deal! Save US$37. Get 5 Free Gifts! 1 Year, 12 issues for just US$37
See?
He mixes just a bit of truth to hook you, but the truths he mentions your Doctor already knows, and wouldn't deny if you asked them.
Overexposure to sun DOES cause skin cancer. DDT has been found in GENERATIONS of animals it was never suppose to contaminate in the first place.
Caffine DOES cause dehydration, and no person gets ALL the water he needs just by eating (although it would be possible in some areas, if you ate the right stuff). And they know MANY reasons why you should drink more water than any other fluid.
I could go on and on, but I don't think I will bother......
Yet..
Kwea
[ September 08, 2004, 10:41 PM: Message edited by: Kwea ]
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Even I think this guy is nuts. For stating there are no "medical facts" he certainly does sport some strong opinions.
There is a weird variant of OCD where health nuts like to find out that things everyone else thinks are healthy are actually bad. Tomatoes, milk, orange juice, flouride.
Posted by WraithSword (Member # 6829) on :
Okay, I did predict that
But honestly, I thought the prediction would be proallognosticatory.
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