tenet te·net Pronunciation: 'te-n&t also 'tE-n&t Function: noun Etymology: Latin, he holds, from tenEre to hold : a principle, belief, or doctrine generally held to be true; especially : one held in common by members of an organization, movement, or profession
tenement ten·e·ment Pronunciation: 'te-n&-m&nt Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Medieval Latin tenementum, from Latin tenEre to hold -- more at THIN 1 : any of various forms of corporeal property (as land) or incorporeal property that is held by one person from another 2 : DWELLING 3 a : a house used as a dwelling : RESIDENCE b : APARTMENT, FLAT c : TENEMENT HOUSE
tenent tenent \Ten"ent\, n. [L. tenent they hold, 3d pers. pl. pres. of tenere.] A tenet. [Obs.] --Bp. Sanderson.
tenant ten·ant Pronunciation: 'te-n&nt Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from present participle of tenir to hold 1 a : one who holds or possesses real estate or sometimes personal property (as an annuity) by any kind of right b : one who has the occupation or temporary possession of lands or tenements of another; specifically : one who rents or leases (as a house) from a landlord 2 : OCCUPANT, DWELLER - ten·ant·less /-l&s/ adjective
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
ten-ant: the beginnings of an anthill.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
*snicker*
Posted by screechowl (Member # 2651) on :
With apologies to Shigosei:
ten-ent: an ent moot
Hey, it's Monday.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Corollary #1 (if okay with rivka, of course):
populous Pronunciation: 'pä-py&-l&s Function: adjective Etymology: Middle English, from Latin populosus, from populus people 1 a : densely populated b : having a large population 2 a : NUMEROUS b : filled to capacity - pop·u·lous·ly adverb - pop·u·lous·ness noun
populace Pronunciation: 'pä-py&-l&s Function: noun Etymology: Middle French, from Italian popolaccio rabble, augmentative of popolo the people, from Latin populus 1 : the common people : MASSES 2 : POPULATION
If it is a noun, use populace. e.g.: "His decree was difficult for the populace to accept." "The populace was in agreement to stone her." "A gift of a wooden horse was sent to the populace."
Only use populous if you are using it to modify a noun -- "populous" itself is not a noun. e.g., "What a populous kingdom you have!" "If the countryside weren't so populous, I wouldn't have expected so many lemonade stands." "Once we become a more populous town, we should have many more witches."
[Shout-out to Icarus for using "populace" correctly in an ongoing thread!]
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Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
lose ... 3 : to suffer deprivation of : part with especially in an unforeseen or accidental manner 4 a : to suffer loss through the death or removal of or final separation from (a person) b : to fail to keep control of or allegiance of <lose votes> <lost his temper> ...
loose 1 a : to let loose : RELEASE b : to free from restraint 2 : to make loose : UNTIE <loose a knot> 3 : to cast loose : DETACH 4 : to let fly : DISCHARGE 5 : to make less rigid, tight, or strict : RELAX
"We must take the current when it serves, or lose our ventures." "Beware when the great God lets loose a thinker on this planet. "
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
*grin* Are we going to do lie and lay, too? Posted by Eduardo_Sauron (Member # 5827) on :
Rivka, you're really creative when it comes to thread titles, you know? Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Only if someone just can't take it anymore, but is sorry about it.
rivka's Rules of the Thread
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I didn't intend to lay down a rule, but that does make sense.
Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
I won't use the format, because I won't take the time, but the past-tense of lead is led, not lead pronounced like metal. And I won't get into petal/peddle/pedal, or the proper use of cannot, or any of the other things that don't bug me enough to say anything about them in the thread where they occur but which fester in my mind.
Posted by Eduardo_Sauron (Member # 5827) on :
So...is this Grammar Nazis' support group?
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Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
Mom would be so proud of you guys!
One of the legacies of being raised by an English major is that you take correction of your grammar as a sign of tenderest love and caring. Also I noticed that when I'm feeling particularly maternal I will have strong grammar-correction urges myself. So I want to thank rivka and Sara and Katie and all the rest of the grammar-moms and give them big hugs. Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Can I be a grammar-dad? It sounds so much nicer than grammar nazi. Posted by the master (Member # 6788) on :
are you sure you want me to call you daddy?
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Celia,
Who's your daddy?
:ph34r:
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
Grammar/Grand-ma/Gamma. Sound similar, but not identical.
Posted by Mike (Member # 55) on :
Kat, I would have done the lose/loose one if you hadn't. Thank you.
Pop, when (or how) do people misuse cannot?
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
My pet peeve is the pronunciation of perilous in the national anthem. If you don't know how to pronounce the word, you best not sing it at the superbowl.
Posted by punwit (Member # 6388) on :
Rivka, I was one of the offenders. I thank you for setting me straight. I've been fighting that word for awhile now. Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
Mike, what bugs me is when people fail to use "cannot," and instead use "can not." "Cannot" implies inability, where "can not" implies having the option to refrain. At least that's how I read it. And Dr. Seuss uses "can not" all the time.
Now some obnoxious grammar ________ (insert title of choice) will probably say that "can not" can mean either one. Whatever. I don't think it should (or does, actually). That's part of why you usually won't hear me complain about the use of "can not," but you might see me laud the use of "cannot."
For me, part of refraining from complaint regarding speech goes back to my ex-fiancée, who got extremely irritated when I would correct her (usually swapping I for me). I always thought such correction was cute, but she got ticked. Ever since then, my tendency has been to err on the side of getting along rather than being right (or at least pointing out that someone else is wrong). I also have this habit of occasionally being wrong myself, and have no real problem with others letting that slide.
And as I said in Space Opera's poetry thread -- part of the issue is learning all the rules, then deciding which ones to break. But breaking them because one never learned them I have difficulty viewing as something other than laziness. My tendency to begin sentences with conjunctions, for example, is a choice -- an affect, to some degree, expressing my train of thought speeding up so much as to jump the tracks on occasion, and thus I preemptively buy myself forgiveness, at least in my own mind.
I got off the subject a bit there....
--Pop
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Time to bump this one up.
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
A thought on contractions
When in doubt, uncontract the words to see if they belong.
Ex: Hey, they're going over there. Expanded: Hey, they are going over there.
Posted by JennaDean (Member # 8816) on :
Good thread.
Lose and loose drives me crazy.
I guess it's obligatory for me to add:
its - Belonging to it.
it's - Contraction for "it is".
Posted by Lissande (Member # 350) on :
I remember when I was about ten and a teacher wrote "loosing" on the board, instead of "losing". I think I lost (loost?) a bit of my innocence that day. My world shook. I didn't quite like the way it settled back down. Posted by dantesparadigm (Member # 8756) on :
More simply, remember the phrase, "I can't affect the effect."
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
Atheism - from 'theism', belief in a god, and 'a', not. Athiesm - not a word.
Posted by Gwen (Member # 9551) on :
Split infinitives are O.K. Same goes for the singular they, and for ending sentences with prepositions. I'm anti-prescriptivist.
Posted by Demonstrocity (Member # 9579) on :
erosomniac: Markedly good looking guy with a flair for the obvious and underdeveloped intelligence.
ersomaniac: ...what?
Posted by JennaDean (Member # 8816) on :
Thank you. I was wondering who you were but figured everyone else already knew....
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
Pity you didn't start this a few days earlier. I would have dumped Jive and Jibe in here as well.
Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
I just noticed "affected" vs. "effected" in another thread, too. And "dane" vs. "deign" in that same post.
Though I admit messing up "rein" vs. "reign" - even as far as getting a piece published wherein someone "reigned" something in. Noticing it when reading it in print, I slapped myself in the forehead soundly. Posted by kwsni (Member # 1831) on :
Site: 1. The place where a structure or group of structures was, is, or is to be located: a good site for the school. 2. The place or setting of something: a historic site; a job site. 3. A website.
Sight: 1. The ability to see. 2. The act or fact of seeing: hoping for a sight of land; caught sight of a rare bird. 3. Field of vision. 4. The foreseeable future; prospect: no solution in sight. 5. Mental perception or consideration: We lost sight of the purpose of our visit. 6. Something seen; a view. 7. Something worth seeing; a spectacle: the sights of London.
I always have to sing the Strong Bad song to figure out its and it's: Oh if you want it to be posessive then it's just i-t-s but if it's supposed to be a contraction then it's i-t-apostrophe-s scalawag.
The scalawag is what really helps.
Ni!
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
And don't forget cite, as in citing an authority.
Posted by Sharpie (Member # 482) on :
Lose vs. loose REALLY annoys me when I see it in the Scrabble lobbies. GRRRRRRR.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by El JT de Spang: A thought on contractions
When in doubt, uncontract the words to see if they belong.
Ex: Hey, they're going over there. Expanded: Hey, they are going over there.
The problem is that most people don't analyze their own writing this way.
Posted by Uprooted (Member # 8353) on :
quote:Originally posted by starLisa: Pity you didn't start this a few days earlier. I would have dumped Jive and Jibe in here as well.
Awww, Lisa. I was just gonna say that all these rules really don't jive with my tenants. Hmmm. I guess I just did anyway!
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by starLisa: Pity you didn't start this a few days earlier. I would have dumped Jive and Jibe in here as well.
Earlier than September 20, 2004? Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
Dictionaries, and dictionary threads, are the last recourse for people without the imagination to spell words in a variety of strange and interesting ways.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:Dictionaries, and dictionary threads, are the last recourse for people without the imagination to spell words in a variety of strange and interesting ways.
Says the man who spelled every word the boring dictionary way. Posted by JennaDean (Member # 8816) on :
I'm bumping this up to ask the grammar gurus:
What is the difference between "i.e." and "e.g."? (Since someone made a big deal about the difference the other day!!)
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
i.e. stands for id est = that is. It's used for further clarification.
e.g. stands for exempli gratia = for the sake of an example. It's used to give an example of something.
edit: mispelled exempli. Also, wow, you got a lot of answers to that one.
[ July 27, 2006, 11:25 AM: Message edited by: MrSquicky ]
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
i.e. indicates an explanation: it means "that is"; e.g. means you are providing an example.
More here. Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
i.e. = id est = that is It is a restatement of a previous thought.
e.g. = exempli gratia = for example
Added: Aw, rivka beat me. Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
i.e. = "id est," or "that is" e.g. = "exemplia gratia," or "for example"
(i.e., one is used to restate a point, while the other is used to list various examples (e.g., this example, other examples, and other itemized sets)).
i.e. is frequently misused in cases where e.g. is the more appropriate choice (e.g., "I need to get some stuff done in town, i.e. shopping, laundry, and some other errands.")
It can be used correctly to enumerate examples in one specific instance (i.e., when its enumeration is exhaustive rather than an incomplete list and is thus actually a clarification or elaboration on the original.)
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
It's a grammar-geek pileup!
Posted by JennaDean (Member # 8816) on :
Thank you.
And thank you, and thank you, and thank you.
Having now become aware of my grammar sins, I shall repent.
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
Make sure to enjoy a delightful repast before you repent. *grin*
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
*GROWL*
I am bumping this for a reason. And you know who you are! And you should know better. Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
If I don't know who I am, does that mean it's not me?
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
quote:Originally posted by dantesparadigm: My personal pet peeve, affect and effect.
More simply, remember the phrase, "I can't affect the effect."
Or should that be . . .
I can not affect the effect.
Couldn't resist, Papa . . . Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Been seeing a good bit of confusion over these three terms over the past few days here at Hatrack.
So, this would be the only acceptable " Site for sore eyes."
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
Har Har har. I should cite you for in an in-thread dobbie. I would if I could stand the sight of you. Now get off this site.
There you go, used them all correctly.
Buffalo buffalo, buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo.
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
quote: My personal pet peeve, affect and effect.
More simply, remember the phrase, "I can't affect the effect."
Thanks for this, Dante. As lame as it is to say, I have a lot of problems with those two.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I don't think it's lame at all. Lame would be not caring whether you used the correct one. Knowing that you have difficulty and trying to keep them straight seems to me like a good thing.
Posted by Occasional (Member # 5860) on :
Too:
ADVERB: 1. In addition; also: He's coming along too. 2. More than enough; excessively: She worries too much. 3. To a regrettable degree: My error was all too apparent. 4. Very; extremely; immensely: He's only too willing to be of service. 5. Informal Indeed; so: You will too do it!
To:
PREPOSITION: 1a. In a direction toward so as to reach: went to the city. b. Towards: turned to me. 2a. Reaching as far as: The ocean water was clear all the way to the bottom. b. To the extent or degree of: loved him to distraction. c. With the resultant condition of: nursed her back to health. 3. Toward a given state: helping minority women to economic equality. 4. In contact with; against: their faces pressed to the windows. 5. In front of: stood face to face. 6. Used to indicate appropriation or possession: looked for the top to the jar. 7. Concerning; regarding: waiting for an answer to my letter. 8. In a particular relationship with: The brook runs parallel to the road. 9. As an accompaniment or a complement of: danced to the tune. 10. Composing; constituting: two cups to a pint. 11. In accord with: job responsibilities suited to her abilities. 12. As compared with: a book superior to his others. 13a. Before: The time is ten to five. b. Up till; until: worked from nine to five. 14a. For the purpose of: went out to lunch. b. In honor of: a toast to the queen. 15a. Used before a verb to indicate the infinitive: I'd like to go. b. Used alone when the infinitive is understood: Go if you want to. 16a. Used to indicate the relationship of a verb with its complement: refer to a dictionary; refer me to a dictionary. b. Used with a reflexive pronoun to indicate exclusivity or separateness: had the plane to ourselves.
ADVERB: 1. In one direction; toward a person or thing: owls with feathers wrong end to. 2. Into a shut or closed position: pushed the door to. 3. Into a state of consciousness: The patient came to. 4. Into a state of action or attentiveness: sat down for lunch and fell to. 5. Nautical Into the wind.
Do you got that? Good. Now (and not particularly in this post) stop using one O when you should be using two. Yes, even at Hatrack.
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I didn't intend to lay down a rule, but that does make sense.
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