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Posted by Ben (Member # 6117) on :
 
i don't think anybody understands just how knotted my stomach is about this election. i'm nervous as hell.
 

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Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
 
I'm actually mildly nausious. I know exactly how you feel. just remember we'll (hopefully) know in less than 24 hrs....
 

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Posted by Allegra (Member # 6773) on :
 
I am really nervous too. I am volunteering tomorrow, and I hope at the end of the day I will have something to celebrate.
 

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Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
 
I'm nervous too...
But, if what I don't want to happen happens, I'll raise some serious hell in a constructive way.
I will not give in.
 

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Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
I doubt if we'll know anything for sure before December...

Anyone see "Opus" last Sunday? That's how I feel about this election.

(couldn't find it online)
 

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Posted by Boris (Member # 6935) on :
 

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I'm nervous too...
But, if what I don't want to happen happens, I'll raise some serious hell in a constructive way.
I will not give in.

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Ya know, I honestly think it's a bad idea to let politics bother you this much. Of course, it is your life So worry away.
 

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Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
 
Doubt this is very comforting but...

In this election, there is a chance that there could be an exact tie through electorial votes.

It would then be sent to the house of representatives to decide the president. Once that decision is made, there is still the decision of the Vice President.

The Vice President would then be chosen through he Senet, Now, the Senet is mostly Democratic, so it would probably be Edwards...

That means there is a chance of Bush and Edwards. ^_^

Now just wait, it could get worse. If the House of Representatives couldn't come to a decision on president, then the VP of whoever the Senet chooses would be acting president until the House of Representatives re-votes on the matter.

It would probably be Edwards in this case, making him president for about... Oh, a good two years.

Now, it's very unlikely this would happen... But it is possible.
 

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Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
 
I can't help it.
Like it or not, these issues effect me directly.
 

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Posted by HonoreDB (Member # 1214) on :
 
Why would the Senate vote for Edwards? It would still be the old Senate, with a Republican majority and VP Cheney breaking ties.
 

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Posted by chase (Member # 6988) on :
 
i feel the same way, though not so much abou the election as the state of the country.
 

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Posted by The Silverblue Sun (Member # 1630) on :
 
I'm a gambler.

Not only is THE FUTURE of THIS WORLD hanging in the balance, but

I bet my mother who is a die hard millionaire Republican, I'd quit smoking cigarettes for a year if Bush wins and she'll give me $100 if Kerry wins.

I can't believe I may have to go through with the whole first 6 weeks of quitting AGAIN!

(The last two Lents I've given up smoking and it has lasted about 4-5 months.)

Come on Hundred Dollars!
 

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Posted by Boris (Member # 6935) on :
 

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I bet my mother who is a die hard millionaire Republican

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Just a hundred bucks??? Man. I wouldn't finagled for a thousand.
 

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Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
 
From the election the senate would change, Dick Cheney wouldn't really get to run it... Because afterall, he is one of the people to be voted for.

But from this election, the new senate members look as though they will mostly be democrat, making them probably vote for Edwards...

At least the odds of what I said happening are very slim...
 

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Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
 
I'm quite nervous too
 

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Posted by Heffaji (Member # 3669) on :
 
I don't think I'll be able to sleep until we have the results. Hopefully this doesn't mean I'll be setting a new record for consecutive hours being awake.
 

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Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 

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I bet my mother who is a die hard millionaire Republican, I'd quit smoking cigarettes for a year if Bush wins and she'll give me $100 if Kerry wins.

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Now, the Senet is mostly Democratic, so it would probably be Edwards

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therefore the world will ultimately be alright no matter who wins

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Doesn't that still negate free will?

If we have free will at all, it means sometimes we make decisions that screw up everything. Free will is an illusion if there's no possibility of making bad choices.
 

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Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
But I'm not sure that makes sense in context, does it? I mean, when I see another car swerve toward me on the freeway, I don't calmly think, "Relax and stay the course. God's in control."
 

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Posted by dread pirate romany (Member # 6869) on :
 
I am nervous too, especially since hearing about the length of the lines and having three kids with me. I may have to wait until hubby gets home. I don't expect us to know the results tomorrow at all, this is going to be contested no matter what. It's too close.
 

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Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
:yawn:

I can't control these things, you know.

But who wants pie?
 

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Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
Tom, think of the statement as an affirmation that having one’s preferred candidate lose will not be the end of the world. It’s about putting things in perspective, not predicting a particular outcome.

Edit: I want pie.

[ November 02, 2004, 11:54 AM: Message edited by: dkw ]
 

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Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
 
Hanging chads?

There was no line where I voted. I just walked right in and now I am worried about whether or not I made the lines right on my ballot!
 

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Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
Pecan, pumpkin, rhubarb, strawberry, strawberry rhubarb, blueberry, chocolate cress, lemon cress, lemon meringue, chocolate meringue, blackberry, apple, cherry, key lime, or mud?
 

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Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
Can I have 1/2 a slice each of pumpkin and pecan?
 

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Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
You want to mix mediocre (pumpkin pie) with masterful (pecan)?

:shrug:

Your choice.

:slides dkw her pie:
 

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Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
 
Noemon, as long as you're in line at the time the polls are supposed to close you get to vote. It was on the Voter's Bill of Rights hanging in the polling place this morning. At least, that's the way it is in MN.

Scott R: May I have key lime, please?

In other news, I got my first-ever speeding ticket this morning after voting.
 

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Posted by BYSOAL (Member # 3846) on :
 
Scott, load my plate with pecan please. While other pies are an acceptable substitute (particularly apple and pumpkin), nothing compares to a warm pecan pie.

*waits anxiously for thanksgiving while trying to be content with digital pecan pie*

B.Y.S.O.A.L.
 

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Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 
I was just making a joke Syn. You said that you'd "totally" voted, and since hanging chads resulted when people hadn't completely pushed their little voting thingies through the ballots (actually, I probably should have said "dimpled" chads, come to think of it), I saw the opportunity to be funny. Well, to *try* to be funny, anyway.

No kat, I don't think that that would negate free will. I mean, inside the context of a board game, whether X happens instead of Y can be tremendously important, but after the game is over, whatever happened in the game didn't fundamentally change anything in the larger world, right? So you could make a bad decision in the game, completely screw things up for yourself, and loose badly. For you from the perspective of your piece on the gameboard, this is very serious. From your perspective as a person who happens to be playing the game, it's not such a big deal. Just means that you'll be the one going into the kitchen to get snacks while the rest of the players are still at it.
 

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Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
 
mm
Chocolate cream pie
and Apple pie
and Blueberry pie
 

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Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 
Really ElJay? That's good to know.

Scott, I'll have half a piece of pumpkin and half a piece of cherry. No whipped cream unless it's home made though.
 

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Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
Noemon, I agree -- it is indeed good to know that ElJays's atrocious speeding habit has finally caught up with her.
 

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Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
 
Really. But considering I waited about 3x longer than I ever have, and one of the judges told me that was the shortest the line had been yet this morning, I wouldn't recommend pushing it unless you really feel like standing there half the night.
 

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Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
 
Hey!

It was the lowest catagory ticket, I'll have you know, and the police officer told me how to make sure it doesn't go on my record.
 

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Posted by Architraz Warden (Member # 4285) on :
 
Is it bad that I can nearly feel the pent up tension leaving Hatrack?

Or maybe it's just being replaced by hysteria.

Or, it might even be the pie. Speaking of which, pass the Pecan and the Apple (provided it's made with properly bitter apples).

Feyd Baron, DoC

PS: Pecan pie is the officially endorsed pie of the DoC!
 

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Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
Am I alone in finding pecan pies kind of, well, repugnant? Sicky-sweet and mushy and crunchy and almost completely devoid of anything like goodness?
 

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Posted by BYSOAL (Member # 3846) on :
 
Congrats on 17,000 Tom.

And yes, you are.

B.Y.S.O.A.L.
 

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Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
 

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and the police officer told me how to make sure it doesn't go on my record

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Yeah, I bet he did.

You and your kittenish/hellspawny ways.

[ November 02, 2004, 12:45 PM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]
 

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Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
I also hate pecan pie.

But I don't like nuts in sweets at all - they are so unexpected.
 

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Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
 
I find the center of a pecan pie to be too tooth-achingly sweet, just like chess pie. I do crunch happily on the crusty pecan topping, though.

(I take the frosting off my cake, too, come to think of it.)
 

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Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
I've never felt more pity for anyone than I feel for Kat and Tom right this second.

I'm going to pray for you.

Seriously.
 

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Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
By telling us this in public, you just relinquished your claim to the reward of pecan pie in heaven.
 

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Posted by Mike (Member # 55) on :
 
I'll have a slice of the lemon chess. Thanks.
 

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Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 

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Noemon, I agree -- it is indeed good to know that ElJays's atrocious speeding habit has finally caught up with her.

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I'm with Sara on the pecan pie question. Let me nibble on the crust and I'm a happy man. Make me eat the whole thing and I'm liable to throw up from the nauseating sweetness.
 

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Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
 
Sara, am I ever going to live that down?

He told me to go talk to the Clerk of the Court and it would probaby be switched to an administrative fine instead of a moving violation, which while costing as much ($105, in this case) doesn't go on your driving record or get reported to your insurance. Since I have a completely clean record up to this point.
 

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Posted by Architraz Warden (Member # 4285) on :
 
If you don't like the sweetness of pecan pie, I'd highly recommend you never try Texas Sheet Cake. Consider yourselves warned. Also, if you have history of diabetes out to about the fifth generation, you probably shouldn't have any of it either.

And on an entirely unrelated matter... Hey Scott, ever had Texas Sheet Cake?

Feyd Baron, DoC

EDIT: I meant never, I swear. And to add a recipie:

TEXAS SHEET CAKE

INGREDIENTS:

- Cake
1 cup butter
1 cup water
1/4 cup cocoa
2 cups sugar
2 cups flour
1/8 teaspoon salt
2 eggs
1 teaspoon baking soda
1/2 cup sour cream
1 teaspoon vanilla
Frosting, below
chopped pecans

- Frosting
1/2 cup butter
1/4 cup cocoa
1/4 cup plus 2 tablespoons milk
1 box (1 pound) confectioners' sugar, sifted (4 1/4 cups sifted)
1/2 teaspoon vanilla

PREPARATION:

Cake: Combine butter, water, and cocoa in saucepan over medium heat; heat until butter melts. Add sugar, flour, salt, eggs, soda, sour cream, and vanilla; mix well. Pour into a 15x10x1-inch jelly roll pan. Bake at 350° for 20 minutes. Spread frosting over hot cake and sprinkle with chopped pecans.

For frosting, combine butter, cocoa, and milk in a saucepan; bring to a boil. Add remaining ingredients and mix well with electric mixer. Spread over the hot sheet cake then sprinkle with chopped pecans.

[ November 02, 2004, 01:20 PM: Message edited by: Architraz Warden ]
 

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Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
 
ElJay: Nope.

It's a great picture. Very sassy.
 

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Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
 
I really am going to start switching what's on that page, then.

[ November 02, 2004, 01:14 PM: Message edited by: ElJay ]
 

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Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 
::makes note never to try Texas Sheet Cake::

Okay, ElJay, Sara, what am I missing? I can smell a *great* story here, but I don't know what it is.

So, ElJay, how fast were you going? And what was the posted speed limit?
 

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Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 

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By telling us this in public, you just relinquished your claim to the reward of pecan pie in heaven.

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At this point, I don't care. Your pecan pie salvation is more important to me than heaven.
 

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Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
I don't believe that pecan pie is what you say it is. My own experience has been so different; I don't see a way to reconcile our experiences.

[ November 02, 2004, 01:26 PM: Message edited by: katharina ]
 

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Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
 
I also can't get handle pecan pie. Wow, it's sweet.
 

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Posted by Mike (Member # 55) on :
 
Your experience is different? Then clearly you have not tasted the One True Pecan Pie. Prepare yourself for an eternity of treacle suet pudding.
 

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Posted by Architraz Warden (Member # 4285) on :
 
What, no comments about something that has over 6 cups of sugar and 2 1/2 of Butter? I'm in shock...

Feyd Baron, DoC
 

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Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
I personally love Texas sheet cake. It's dark chocolate fudge passing as cake. Yummy!
 

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Posted by Mike (Member # 55) on :
 
*cuts a wedge of panforte and starts nibbling*
 

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Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
 
Noemon:

What sort of idiots can't tell the difference between hellspawn and a kitten?

Classic Hatrack: The Trial and Travails of ElJay's Halloween Costume
 

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Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
 
Sara: He read it. He posted on it.

Noemon: 43 in a 30. It's an exit ramp off the highway into downtown, and I never use my breaks, just coast my speed down to the first stoplight. But there's a homeless shelter on one side of the road, and a lot of people have been hit lately jaywalking to the park across the street so they're cracking down. That's what he told me, anyway. He was waving the next car over before I had even pulled out.

Oh, and the ticket says 40 in a 30, which saves me a whole 10 bucks.
 

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Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 
Yeah, I thought that there was a different story, one that I wasn't familiar with.

I got busted for doing almost the exact same thing in Lawrence, KS, and I believe that it was my first ticket. Unfortunately it turned out to be the first of quite a few in a very short period--2 weeks, maybe. I'd recommend not going 95 in a 70 as an encore to this. It didn't work out so well for me.
 

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Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
I hate to take this off the topic of pie, but to answer Tom on the first page - By saying God is in control means I recognize his sovereignty over everything. God is omniscient, he already knows the outcome of this election.

So if Kerry wins, it doesn't mean God prefers him, it just means it suits God's purpose that Kerry be in office for four years.

He works all things together for our good - but that doesn't mean that only good things will happen to us. I will think it's a blow for our country if Kerry wins. But, God has a purpose for everything. It may turn out for the better of our country - I may be wrong in my assessment of the man. Or, it may very well be God's plan that America go downhill fast. I can't know the mind of God.

But I accept that he's God, and he knows a heckuva lot more than I do so I just do what I think is right and leave the rest of it up to Him.
 

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Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
 
No problem... there are no 70 zones around here.

I mean, no, that doesn't sound like a good idea.
 

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Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
 
dkw,
We had a thread once where I taled about the passivity that often accompanies savior-based ideologies. I think Belle's panglossian notion of God making sure the world is alright is a good illustration of what I was talking about. She must either be defining alright or, more likely, the world differently than I do to actually believe that statement.

There are thousands of little girls in the Sudan going to sleep right now begging anyone who will listen not to be raped to death in the next couple of days. Maybe God will answer these prayers, unlike say the millions who prayed to be delivered from the Holocaust. But you know what, I don't really think he will. Maybe it's because they're the wrong color or religion or nationality or too poor or maybe he's just too busy making sure certain people win the lottery or a sports game. Maybe those little girls need to be raped for this to be the best of all possible worlds.

I don't agree. This should be stopped. If God is this omnipotent super-father figure who will always make things ok, he'll stop it. If he doesn't do it, it's up to us. Because of choices the American people have made, we aren't going to do it either.

Belle's saying that our choices don't matter, that we can be the responsibilty-free children of an all powerful father. I think these little girls and what happens to them are actually our responsibilty and that we have a duty to try to protect them. If God is a protective father, he's doing a supremely crappy job. The only way I can see to think otherwise is to maintain a lobotomy of your social consciousness. If, instead, it's true that to those whom much is given, much is expected, then what you do really does have a profound impact, for good or for evil, on the state of the world.
 

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
 

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If God is this omnipotent super-father figure who will always make things ok...

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He's not.

Hobbes
 

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Posted by Mike (Member # 55) on :
 
*fires up the popcorn machine*

Fake butter, anyone?
 

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Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
 
oooh movie theater butter-like product!
 

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Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
Squicky, I don't believe God makes everything all right for us. I never used the word alright in my post if you go back and read it.

God never promises me or the little girls in Sudan our lives will just be hunky dory. In fact, he promises persecution for Christians.

I said the outcome of the election, either way, suits God's purposes. Not mine.

In fact, Kerry winning wouldn't surprise me one bit - because I think it's very likely we are headed in a downward spiral morally in this country, and I wouldn't at all be shocked if it just continues to get worse and worse.

Christianity teaches this world is full of evil since the fall. Little girls get raped, people get murdered, the wrong person gets elected. It's expected in a world of sin. So I am not personally all that dismayed if Kerry wins - because it's out of my hands. I have done what I can do and the rest is not up to me.

I will do my part to fight against evil wherever I see it - and I will model my life after that of Christ and do my darnedest to be salt and light, and everything I am supposed to be as a Christian in a fallen world. But I can't control the election, beyond casting my one vote - which I did.

So no, I won't sit and cry if Bush is defeated. Because I know I'm not in control - and I wouldn't want to be.
 

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Posted by Xaposert (Member # 1612) on :
 
Everybody watch Virginia... Polls close at 7 p.m. and we're planning on knocking Bush out early.
 

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Posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong (Member # 2229) on :
 

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Because I know I'm not in control - and I wouldn't want to be.

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• King syrup or other dark corn-syrup-type sweetener (a combination of corn syrup and molasses works too, as does Alaga syrup. although the taste is not quite identical)
• Brown sugar
• Egg
• Flour
• Butter
• a little baking soda
• and 3/4 cup water.