Hello everybody. Well ! Anna wants i discrib me better. So For that i want to use more french sentences than I'll do later. But, for everybody, i try to translate in english (and i'm not very strong in the Shakespeare's language )
Je suis un jeune ingénieur de 25 ans qui travaille à Paris (en France, pas au Texas). I am a young 25 year old Engineer who work in Paris (in France, not in Texas) J'adore jouer aux échecs dans mon club qui se situe à coté de la butte Montmartre. I love play chess in my club which is near the butte Montmartre. J'aime beaucoup faire la cuisine pour mes amis (et manger avec eux ) I like very much cooking for my friends (and eat with them )
J'aime me balader dans Paris, faire les bouquinistes et autres magasins, visiter les musées, ou simplement m'asseoir au bord de la Seine. I like walking in Paris, going in the bookshop and other shop, visiting museums, or simply sit down on the verge of the Seine.
J'aime lire les livres d'auteurs comme Moorcock, Pratchett, Leblanc, et biensûr OSC. J'aime aussi les livres plus théoriques sur les échecs, la stratégie, la sociologie. I like readind the books of authors like Moorcock, Pratchett, Leblanc, and actually OSC. I like too books more theorical on Chess, Strategy, or Sociology.
Et surtout, j'adore la musique ! Quand je peux, je vais au théatre des Champs Elysées écouter les grands orchestres jouer des morceaux de musiques Classiques. (Debussy, Bach, Chostakovich, Tchaikovski,...) And above all, I love music ! When i can, I go at the théatre des Champs Elysées to listen the great Orchestras play some Classical piece. (Debussy, Bach, Chostakovich, Tchaikovski,...)
I hope I don't make a mistake in my translation. I would like to say hello to all members of this forum community.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
You made several mistakes in translation, but that's largely because of the different ways the French and English languages treat articles.
Welcome aboard. Posted by ginette (Member # 852) on :
Well, hello! It's good to see another European show up on this forum. (I am from the Netherlands, by the way)
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
Hello. You are cool. You like Tchaikovski. Have you heard Eugene Onegin? I love that opera. And also, Dmitri Hvorostovsky does some wonderful Tchaikovski stuff liike all these songs accompanied by a piano that I never knew about before that are just lovely and divine.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
I will have to make sure Ivygirl sees this thread -- she's been fanatical about her French studies in high school -- talking in French all the time at home. She will love reading this.
Welcome, Choobak!
quote: Have you heard Eugene Onegin?
I read that as "Eugene, Oregon", Syn.
Farmgirl
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
Hello I live in Lille, I'm a school librarian and am married to an engineer I hope you'll feel good here. You'll find people to be very indulgent with your languages mistakes (at last they are with mines ). It's really the best Internet forum I ever saw. If you want to talk seriously about any subject you can, if you want to laugh you can, and if you need support, you'll find it. So... Enjoy ! For now I think I'm the only French here, but if you want to speak French you may want to meet Annie, she's American and she loves France BTW, what do you like to cook ? My hubby and I are indian food fans !
[ December 07, 2004, 10:40 AM: Message edited by: Anna ]
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Hi there! Welcome to Hatrack!
I can't understand french at all, but I'm glad you're here... I like having more international perspectives.
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
Hi, Choobak!
I'm Romanian but have studied in France for the last four years (first two in Rouen, the next two in Lyon). I'm currently in Montreal, and, believe it or not, I'm starting to miss hearing REAL French! :le sigh:
I'm also a chess addict, but I've never been in a club or tournament, if you don't count the university's club, that is... As for chess books, I never had the money to buy them, so for now I'm stuck with some Romanian ones my father bought about 15-20 years ago.
By the way, you say you're an engineer: what field do you work in? I'm studying Computer Sciences, as you can see from my profile.
And... Welcome to Hatrack! Posted by Choobak (Member # 7083) on :
Wow !! And just in 10 minutes !! Thanks for all this reply !
So I want to retail some point about me (because of your question )
I like cooking crepe and i am very good for that ! One friend said to me "There are better than my mother's !" I became all red I cook many french dish as grattin de choufleur or saumon à la sauce blanche.
TomDavidson, Thank you for your comprehension. Don't hesitate to point me my mistakes : I want to progress in English
Ginette, I'm happy to know you ! Beautiful country that yours.
Synesthesia, I don't know Eugene Onegin or Dmitri Hvorostovsky. I'm so Sorry, But when i have any occasion, I try to heard. Thank you for the tip.
Farmgirl, I am happy my language is so appreciate by someone like Ivygirl. I can write in french when you want.
Anna, I am from The Arts et Métiers Engineer School. I know we have a center at Lille (my Brother followed his studies here). Is Your Husband Gadz'Arts ?
ElJay, I am agree with you : "It's a wonderful world" as Armstrong sang. It is not a problem you don't understand french because i speak English (so bad )
Corwin, I am happy to know you too. French and Romanian are very link. I work on Computer Science, on information system consulting and on Knowledge Management. Maybe, we'll play a game a day ?
Sorry for others who respond durring i wrote this lines, but i'm a few slow Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
My hubby is in Computer science (oui, ingénieur informaticien, et tu as le droit de penser à la chanson... Note que s'il était comme ça je ne l'aurais pas épousé ! )
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
J'ai etudié français a l'école mais je ne suis pas bon a l'écrit.
Bienvenue!
EDIT: *sneakily changes it so it's right *
[ December 07, 2004, 11:58 AM: Message edited by: Teshi ]
Posted by Coccinelle (Member # 5832) on :
Bienvenue a Hatrack! Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
Bienvenue, Choobak. Tu es Wookie? Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
Teshi: It's "à l'écrit". And "français", languages are masculine. But if you say "the French language" then it would be "la langue française"... Complicated, huh?
quote: ingénieur informaticien, et tu as le droit de penser à la chanson...
Hehe, there was a guy in Lyon that sang that song in a Communications class! It was hilarious, since I couldn't tell if he was worse at playing guitar or singing! Posted by Choobak (Member # 7083) on :
lol !! Je suis aussi un peu un Ingénieur informatitien... For all understand-french-less , I said i am also a few Computer Scientist. In France we have such a hilarious song about this type of guys that I am all red shamed. advice for robots, oui, je suis un wookie (yes i'm a wookie : I am a big star wars fan !)
Good, Teshi, Good ! Your effort please to me !
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
Ah, bienvenue!
Donc, est-ce que tu habites près de Montmartre? Ca c'est un des lieux les plus beaux du monde!
Moi, je suis en train de finir mes études et je recevrai un diplôme bachelier dans le français ce mois. (Mais, c'est pas évident que je suis bachelier de français dans mon écriture. Toujours, j'ai besion de pratiquer!)
Maintenant, je doit écrire une dissertation sur Marianne - et je compare le symbole national avec les evenements et progressions de l'art modern. Mais bien sûr, Hatrack est beaucoup plus intéresssant que les études.
Je suis heureuse de te voir ici, et je souhait que tu soit bienvenu!
(edited to clarify my gender :blush:)
[ December 07, 2004, 12:12 PM: Message edited by: Annie ]
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
quote:J'aime aussi les livres plus théoriques sur les échecs, la stratégie, la sociologie.
Est-ce tu as lu La misère du monde de Bordieu? C'est le livre le plus grand en français que j'ai lu, et même que c'était dense et dificile, je l'aimait bien.
Posted by Choobak (Member # 7083) on :
En fait, j'habite Levallois, mais mon club est à coté de Montmartre. Tous les lundis, en rentrant de mon club, je passe devant la Basilique du Sacre-Coeur. C'est magnifique. Si tu veux discuter en français et pratiquer cette jolie langue, je suis ton homme ! Bonne chance pour ton Baccalauréat. wow ! Tu ne lis pas n'importe quoi ! Non, je ne l'ai pas lu (il y a tellement de livres à lire) En revenche, j'ai lu beaucoup d'autres auteurs (Zola, Stendhal, Maupassant, Descartes,...). Et J'adore la poésie ! (Rimbaud, Beaudelaire, Victor Hugo,...)
[ December 07, 2004, 12:26 PM: Message edited by: Choobak ]
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
Moi, je pense que la langue francais est une des plus belles du monde.
Mais l'anglais est la plus utile.
[ December 07, 2004, 01:11 PM: Message edited by: advice for robots ]
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
Je corrigerais ton anglais, Choobak, pour que tu deviendrais plus bon. Peut-être tu peux corriger mon français ? Les corrections seraient dans les [].
quote: Hello everybody. Well ! Anna wants [me to describe myself] better. I want to use more French sentences than [I will] later. But, for everybody, [I will] try to translate in English ([even though] I'm not very strong [in Shakespeare's language] )
I am a young [25-year-old] Engineer who [works] in Paris (in France, not in Texas) I love [to] play chess in my club which is near the butte Montmartre. I like very much cooking for my friends (and [eating] with them )
I like walking in Paris, going in the [bookshops] and other [shops], visiting museums, or simply [sitting] down on the verge of the Seine. (probably we’d say “on the banks of the Seine”)
I like [reading] the books of authors like Moorcock, Pratchett, Leblanc, and [of course] OSC. I [also like more theoretical books] on Chess, Strategy, or Sociology.
And above all, I love music ! When [I] can, I go at the [theater at] Champs Elysées to listen [to] the great Orchestras play some Classical pieces. (Debussy, Bach, Chostakovich, Tchaikovski,...)
I hope I don't make a mistake in my translation. I would like to say hello to all members of this forum community.
Bienvenue à Hatrack, Choobak! Moi, je suis une étudiante Américaine qui a étudier la français depuis (mon dieu) six ou sept ans. Mais je ne suis pas très bon à le parler ou le écriver. Je suis en train d’oublier le français parce que j’ai aussi étudie le japonais. Je suis un mauvaise étudiante de la français…
Je suis heureuse que tu est là, parce que maintenant je peux practiquer.
Of course, now I'm not sure whether it should be bienvenue à Hatrack or bienvenue au Hatrack? I suppose it depends on whether you pronounce the H ou pas. But anyway, welcome!! I hope you enjoy our community.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
Hello from Canada!
Ici on a deux langues officielles -- l'anglais et la français. Moi, je suis anglophone, mais un de mes meilleurs amis est bilingue (il vient de la Québec), alors de temps en temps je peux pratiquer la lingua franca.
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
twinky, some would disagree with the fact that Quebec people speak 'French'... Posted by Desdemona (Member # 7100) on :
Corwin: According to my French-Canadian History teacher, Québecois was a dialect that originally came from Northern France, but when the French language in France was all conformed to parisian french, the dialect was lost. maybe that is just my history teacher,but it is what I know.
je suis un membre très nouvelle à Hatrack. Bonjour!
~Dessy
Posted by fiazko (Member # 5812) on :
Yay! My French isn't as rusty as I thought, although I maintain my love/hate relationship with it. Anyway, welcome Choobak.
Posted by Coccinelle (Member # 5832) on :
When I first heard the term Québecois, I thought that it was Quebec Quoi?
I found out I was wrong when I made (what I thought was a funny) remark about no one understanding Canadian French and therefore it was called Quebec Quoi?
My Québecois friend didn't think it was funny.
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
Coccinelle Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
Bienvenue, Choobak! Mon francais est horrible, donc je ne vais pas essayer!
Welcome! Posted by Choobak (Member # 7083) on :
So fun ! You are all very friendly. That's right about English and French (useful and beautiful) but I think Chinese will become more and more important. Ryuko, your french is not so bad (compared to my poor English). On dit bien : "Bienvenue à Hatrack !" Le H n'as pas la même importance en Français qu'en Anglais. En Anglais, le H est plus important. For your help, I correct your sentenses :
Je corrigerais ton anglais, Choobak, pour que tu [deviennes meilleur]. Peut-être [peux-tu] corriger mon français ? Les corrections [seront] dans les [].
Bienvenue à Hatrack, Choobak! Moi, je suis une étudiante Américaine qui a [étudié] (I frequently make this mistake myself ) [le] français depuis (mon dieu) six ou sept ans. Mais je ne suis pas très bon[ne] [pour] le parler ou [l'écrire] (This horible 3rd group verb ! french is so difficult for that. Je suis en train d’oublier le français parce que j’ai aussi étudi[é] (les accents : quelle galère !) le japonais. Je suis un[e] mauvaise étudiante [du] français…
Je suis heureuse que tu [sois] là, parce que maintenant je peux practiquer.
French are very hard to use but don't shame : we like your tone and your mistake. It's exotic
But when i look all my own mistakes in English (and in french ) I can't laugh at you. Merci pour tes corrections.
I want to explain my affection for Canadians whom defend our language. Our language are a few different but just in images and popular expression. I salute all francophone and francophile, specially inhabitants of Louisiane and the middle of the USA.
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
Welcome, most welcome, to hatrack! We will do our best to undermine your knowledge of correct English with our slang! Posted by Choobak (Member # 7083) on :
Cool !!! Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
Coccinelle, that IS funny! Just not to Quebec people...
A French friend of mine watched a Quebec-made movie a couple of days ago and understood around half of it! Same language, huh?!
Dessy, I don't know anything about how the French Quebec dialect appeared, or about the French language in general, I only made a sarcastic remark about it because I know French people have problems understanding the way it's spoken over here! (see my example above) And thanks for the history lesson! Posted by dh (Member # 6929) on :
Woo hoo! Cool! Another french speaker!
We are SO taking over the world, baby! Vive le Hatraque libre! Hatraquiens, je vous ai compris!
Posted by kaioshin00 (Member # 3740) on :
Hola Posted by blackcatwings (Member # 7077) on :
Salut! Actually, this is Ivygirl, but I'm at bcw's house, so I'm on her signin! I think I've been on everyone else's but mine.
Anyway, welcome Choobak! Anytime you could type French would be great because I'm only in French One and could use the practice. I don't know very many words, but je adore français! ça va? Tu es nouveau maintenant, but (still haven't learned that word) les gens est sympa. Okay, that's about all I have to say, although I do know a LITTLE more than that.
Welcome again!
Ivygirl
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
Whatever you do, and however innocuous your intentions, never refer to a Québecois friend's language as a patois. Especially if said friend is violent.
A friend of mine in my conversation class has Québecois heritage and likes to tell me constantly how it is an older and therefore more correct dialect and that Parisian has polluted a once-beautiful language. Of course, if he had his way, we might presently need translators between Norman and Occitan.
Posted by Choobak (Member # 7083) on :
Beautiful, Ivygirl ! J'adore quand tu écris en français. Québecois and Parisian have differences in their languages like English and Australian. We have some difference but we understand most of the words and the sentence. Accent is not a problem but... In the south of France, in the town of Castre and around, Frenches have a strong accent : l'accent qui chante avec les cigales. I remember a hard morning with a friend from Castre in workshop at school. When he spoke, i couldn't understand because he spoke in is beard. Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
Ivygirl, "but" is "mais" en français.
Choobak, je pense que je vais pratiquer mon francais içi, parce que je vais oublier le tout! S'il vous plait, tu peux dire à moi quand ma grammaire est horrible, et <<correct>> mon <<mistakes>>!
Desolée, probablement tu ne veux pas travailler, et ma français est vraiment horrible. Il y a beaucoup de places ou j'ai besoin d'aider!
*looks at French, and shudders*
*walks away*
Posted by Choobak (Member # 7083) on :
Pas de problème : c'est un plaisir pour moi que d'aider ceux qui veulent améliorer leur français :
commençons [my note are under "[]" in English (i must work it )] :
quote: Choobak, je pense que je vais pratiquer [very good ! no mistake here. It's a difficulty of french : must i write "er" or "é" ? a tip : replace the first group verb by "faire". if it sing better with "fait", use "é" else use "er".] mon francais içi ["ici". "c" is prononced "sss" if it is followed by "e", "i", and "y". "ç" is when we want the "sss" when it 's followed by "a", "o" or "u" as "reçu"... hard ! ], parce que je vais oublier le tout! S'il vous plait [you can "tutoyer" me : use "te" ], tu peux dire à moi [said "tu peux me dire". it's fluider.] quand ma grammaire est horrible, et <<correct>> mon <<mistakes>>!
Desolée, probablement tu ne veux pas travailler, et ma français [little agreement fault : "mon français"] est vraiment horrible [there is worse than you ]. Il y a beaucoup de places ou j'ai besoin d'aider! [lol. I understand what you want to write : "Il y a beaucoup de points où j'ai besoin d'aide"]
C'est plutôt pas mal ! If you want more help i can help you. Continue comme ça et tout le monde pensera que tu es Français(e ?) (are you a girl or a boy ?)
Bon courage
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
Et aussi je vais profiter de notre nouveau ami en demandant ses opinions sur la musique francophone.
J'aime bien beaucoup de musique française, surtout Zebda (qui chantent avec un accent affreux de Toulouse ) et le raï, mais aussi j'aime le rock français, specifiquement un disque de Frandol que j'ai. Qu'est-ce que tu préconises? Quelles sortes de musique aimes-tu?
(edit: erreur de genre)
[ December 09, 2004, 11:06 AM: Message edited by: Annie ]
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
Ah, c'est magnifique! Merci, Choobak! Maintenant, je peux améliorer mon français!
J'ai eu une mauvaise prof en école, donc j'ai oubliée le tout quand j'était <<supposed to>> m'apprendre!
Et c'est Française... je suis une fille. Merci pour tes compliments! C'est trop généreux!
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
Ok, since Choobak seems to be busy right now, I'll step in and help you, Raia:
First, if you want to say: "I forgot it all", instead of "j'ai oubliée le tout" you'd want to say: - "j'ai tout oublié" <=> "I forgot everything" (close to "I forgot it all") - "je l'ai complètement oublié" = "I forgot it entirely", where the "l'" refers directly to "the French"
Your phrasing can be used too, but it doesn't seem to fit in the context. Of course, Choobak will come and say I'm wrong, but hey, he's French, what does he know?! (Warning: joke, joke, joke!)
Notice that you also don't need to accord the subject "je" with the past participle in this case, because the auxiliary verb is "avoir". (there are exceptions, but you won't encounter them if you keep it simple) You have to accord the two if the auxiliary verb is "être". For example, if a girl says "I went...", it's "Je suis allée".
quote:quand j'était <<supposed to>> m'apprendre!
Ugh, I'm having problems understanding what you wanted to say... "I forgot everything I was supposed to learn"? In this case, "quand" (when) doesn't really belong there, and you'd like to say "donc j'ai oublié tout ce que j'était supposée apprendre". You also have an example of a verb conjugated with "être", where you have to accord the participle with the subject: "j'était supposée".
Phew, enough for now. This reminds me of the time my friend's sister was trying to speak French and I was correcting her every other word. I'm glad I don't have to do it that often in your case!
And I have a question, for everyone who speaks more than one language fluently: do you mix the two? In terms of words, but also in terms of phrasing, I mean. Among the Romanian students in France it has become quite usual to use many French words, sometimes pronounced Romanian-like... It's funny when you go home and have to remember to substitute the REAL Romanian word every time... This is less common with the phrase syntax, but it's more awkward when it DOES happen... I've had my share of amazed glances...
Edit: Hmm... Anna made me reread my post, something I should have done BEFORE posting it... Oh well, one mistake gone, don't know how many others remaining!
[ December 09, 2004, 03:30 PM: Message edited by: Corwin ]
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
It happens to me too, Corwin ! I find myself thinking an English word and unable to find a good translation. Most of the time, it's because a good translation doesn't exist... Your corrections were all good. I guess I would say "j'ai oublié tout ce que j'aurais dû apprendre".
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
Anna, thanks for the confirmation. And yes, your pharsing sounds better than what I wrote; I was stuck with the verb "suppose", I... err... suppose...
quote: ...unable to find a good translation. Most of the time, it's because a good translation doesn't exist...
See, there's a difference with us. We use "batiment", a Romanian form of "résidence", "resto", and stuff like that just because we don't bother using the perfectly suited Romanian equivalent. We use those words when talking to foreign students around here, and we just go ahead and use them in Romanian too. Just lazy...
A thing that's even stranger happened to me several times when I was really, really tired. I would start thinking in Romanian, and then talk to non-Romanian colleagues in Romanian too! They would just give me a blank look... Can't blame them! Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
quote: Ugh, I'm having problems understanding what you wanted to say... "I forgot everything I was supposed to learn"? In this case, "quand" (when) doesn't really belong there, and you'd like to say "donc j'ai oublié tout ce que j'était supposée apprendre". You also have an example of a verb conjugated with "être", where you have to accord the participle with the subject: "j'était supposée".
What I tried to say is "I forgot everything when I was supposed to be learning," I think...
Posted by Dragon (Member # 3670) on :
Bienvenue Choobak!
J'adore parler en francais, et j'espere que je vais etre plus fluide, alors, quand tu ecrit en francais j'aime l'opportunite de practiquer.
It's so much harder to write in French! I am in awe of your abilities in English! Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
Hee hee. I know what you mean, Corwin. I was chatting with my Moroccan friend the other day between classes, and we'd switch back and forth between French and English. Suddenly, she started a sentence off entirely in Arabic and it took a few moments of my blank stares before she even realized it. Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
Dragon, I think instead of saying "plus fluide," I would say "parler plus courrament." But I could be wrong.
Posted by eslaine (Member # 5433) on :
quote: I like readind the books of authors like Moorcock
Someone else here reads Moorcock!
*jumps up and down*
Posted by IvyGirl (Member # 6252) on :
Okay, here goes, I'm going to try. Bien sûr, je ne sais pas mais un peu français. Corrigez-moi quand j'ai tort, puisque j'essaye d'aller mieux. (By the way, I didn't do that last sentence by myself, I had to use a translator, but I needed to say that sentence.) J'ai quinze ans. Je habite une ferme, et j'ai les chiens, les chats, les poulets, et un cheval. Il est six heures treize du soir. C'est jeudi, le neuf decembre. Je suis sur l'ordinateur aujourd'hui. J'ai les devoirs, mais mouais! J'ai trois fréres, et zéro soeurs. Je veux le weekend maintenant! Okay, I'm out for now, because I have to get off l'ordinateur, but I'll be back! Au bientôt!
Ivygirl
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Moi? Je ne parle pas français. Je veux, mais ne parle. Par contre, je parle angalis trés bien. Et je parle un peu de l'Hebrew et de le Russian.
Posted by Dragon (Member # 3670) on :
OOOOoooooooh
I want to learn Russian. (It's SO hard though!)
Posted by Choobak (Member # 7083) on :
Hello everybody ! Sorry, But today I'm very Busy ! It's 10 o'clock here so the time difference is around 6 hours. And I haven't an Internet Connection in my home. So I use my work connection. Now I use french for them whom like that. (And I spend less time !)
Merci pour le compliment au sujet de mon anglais. Au sujet de la traduction, Anna et Corwin ont raison tous les deux : Il n'y a pas de meilleur traduction. L'important, c'est de faire passer l'idée avec le plus de nuances possibles. (I must be careful of my words too complicate. Sorry if you have any difficulties.)
J'essaierai de vous corriger plus tard, car j'ai beaucoup de travail aujourd'hui.
Rapidement : Oui j'aime beaucoup les livres de Moorcock (spécialement Corum).
Hier, j'ai assisté à un concerto à l'église de Levallois : le Messie de Haendel. C'était grandiose ! Très fort.
Je vous laisse J'éspère revenir sur le forum ce week-end.
See you next week
P.S. : For difficult words, I cheat : i use a dictionnary
[ December 10, 2004, 04:33 AM: Message edited by: Choobak ]
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
C'est vrai que ça a dû être magnifique... Dans ma chorale on chante le Halleluia du Messie de Haendel, et même si c'est une pièce très connue, elle est grandiose, ça me donne des frissons à chaque fois Posted by Frisco (Member # 3765) on :
quote:Bienvenue, Choobak. Tu es Wookie?
*snort* afr wins the internet. You can all go home now.
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
Ooh! Je parle Hebreu aussi! Mais, je ne parle pas un petit peu... je parle tout le langue. Posted by Choobak (Member # 7083) on :
Ouf ! a calm time !
Yes, I think Halleluia is very amazing ! But another Choral part (before) is very strong. It's a multi voice part but I don't know his name.
I don't understand what you want to say Frisco.
Just a point about accord in french and verb "avoir". All Corwin said is right. And his advice about not to accord is good to begin or to be confirmed in french. For the person who want to be very fluent, i'll try to explain. Warning, lock your car belt.
first, you must cut a sentence into 3 part : a subject, a verb and part named "complément"
secondly, the complément can be cut into different parts. To stay simple, i explain you with an exemple.
"Je donne une boite à Robert." So, "Je" is the Subject, "donne" is the verb, and the complément is "une boite à Robert". This last part can be cut into Indirect Object Complement (IOC): "à Robert" and Direct Object Complement (DOC): "Une boite". We say Indirect because of using the word "à" which link the complement with the rest of the sentence.
Third : When the DOC is Before the Verb (because of Subjonctif form for exemple, or using "Pronom" like le or la), and the verb has the form : avoir + verb, we must accord the verb with the DOC.
Everybody are sleeping... (joke )
So an example to finish and to ilustrate my talk.
"J'ai donné une boite à Robert. Il l'a prise"
So first sentence, verb is used with "avoir". DOC is after verb : no accord. Second sentence, "l'" replace "une boite" (feminine word) and is the DOC. It is placed before the verb : accord ("prise" is writen and not pris.)
I hope i was clear. It's lunch time ! j'ai faim !!!
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
Bon appetit! Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
Psst ,Choobak... "want to say" = "mean". J'espère que tu as bien mangé... Je n'avais pas beaucoup de temps donc j'ai dû me contenter d'un sandwich. Pour me consoler, j'ai pris un panini au chèvre, mon préféré ! Mais c'est un peu léger pour tenir jusqu'à 17h40.
[ December 10, 2004, 08:36 AM: Message edited by: Anna ]
Posted by Choobak (Member # 7083) on :
Mean ! I forget this verb because of my french though.
Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
Bonjour!
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
quote:Warning, lock your car belt
This is just going to make me smile all day, Choobak. I love it when others are trying so hard to learn our strange way of talking in America.
FG (who doesn't understand a single word of French in this thread, but still enjoys reading it)
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
Hearing it is better Posted by Christy (Member # 4397) on :
Ah, but reading it is so much easier. It doesn't make my brain as tired.
I've had five years of french and sadly I was very overwhelmed as soon as someone spoke to me. I translated wonderfully between a french guy and dutch girl on the train, but when he gave up on her and turned to speak to me, I completely lost any comprehension.
Posted by Choobak (Member # 7083) on :
quote: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Warning, lock your car belt --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is just going to make me smile all day, Choobak. I love it when others are trying so hard to learn our strange way of talking in America.
Sorry ! The exact verb is fasten. (I don't look at my dictionnary for each word... But may i do )
Bonjour, Tammy !
Christy, to increase my English comprehension, I had to watch "Friends" in English without subtitle. So, for french, try to watch some french movies (we have good movies ! I can help you to choose) Another point is vocabulary... And his practice. Learning and practicing, Learning and practicing, Learning and practicing, Learning and practicing...
Bon courage !
[ December 10, 2004, 10:12 AM: Message edited by: Choobak ]
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
I think most Americans would say "buckle your seat belt," though I know some people would call it a safety belt. You might hear "fasten your safety belt," but only from a robot voice at an amusement park.
Qu'est-ce qu'on l'appelle en français?
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
It would be "comment on l'appelle" On appelle ça une ceinture de sécurité, et on dit "attache ta ceinture". Thank you for telling us about the use of "fasten your seatbelt", I was sure it was the correct form because I heard it in Disneyland Paris
[ December 10, 2004, 11:06 AM: Message edited by: Anna ]
Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
Welcome, Choobak! It's great to have you here.
I have my French 1 final on Monday, so look for a thread begging for help. You too, Anna. My goal is to be able to read, understand, and discuss French Vogue in 2 years.
My professor is teaching us to have a Paris accent, which is fine with me. Someday, I want to spend a year in Paris, shopping, visiting churches, and going to the opera.
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
That's great, Mrs M. . If you want to be fluent in a language and understand it easily, I recommand that you use your free time to work it : read book in French (first books you already read in English, then progressively books you never read) and watch French movies in original version ! That's my way to keep my understanding of English at a correct level Posted by Choobak (Member # 7083) on :
Safety belt !! Yes ! I remember this word ! Pfff ! It's terrible unpractice English !!
Finally, Today was a calm day : I work faster than i though.
I can help somebody when he want in french (or others : I am Engineer and I study a lot of speciality (Mecanics, Electronic, Maths, Physic,... ))
If you go to FRANCE for a year, visit all the country, not just Paris.
[ December 10, 2004, 11:37 AM: Message edited by: Choobak ]
Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
But, Choobak, Paris is where the boutiques and showrooms are.
I am hoping that Andrew (my husband) gets some kind of grant or fellowship to work in France at some point in the future. I would love to see the entire country and the rest of Europe, as well.
Anna, I just watched Chocolat in French. I had the English subtitles on, so my comprehension was 100%. Reading is hard, because I hate not understanding what I read, so I would have to stop constantly and look up anything I did not understand. I am actually a decent speaker, but I have a tendency to switch to Spanish mid-sentence. Luckily, my professor speaks Spanish and finds my habit amusing.
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
I just had my last college French class ever and I'm quite triste.
On a lighter note, however, I'm currently listening to Massilia Sound System's "Tout le monde ment," which is the cleverest song ever written.
Posted by Choobak (Member # 7083) on :
Poor Annie. If you want to listen more french, I can give you some french musical band :
If you like Rock : - Noir désir (very strong and powerful) - Sincemilia - Superbus
and the old french rock band : - Telephone - Trust
For a calmer spirit but beautiful time : - Daniel Balavoine - Michel Berger - Michel Polnaref
And if you prefer Rap : - IAM - NTM - MC Solar (The poetest guy in France for me)
And the New Wave of singer : - Bénabar (The second poetest guy) - San Sévérino
Good listening !
About Movies, I recommand : - All Luc Besson Movies (Nikita, Leon, Subway,... Le grand Bleu) - The Jean-Pierre Jeunet's movies (Delicatessen, Le fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain, Un long dimanche de Fillançailles - Mensonge et Trahison et plus si affinité - Les Choristes -...
This was just a very little list. I forget many movies.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Bienvenue. Je parle nur ein bissien deutsch. Er, wait. Ich spreche pas le francais. Um, wait a sec. Eh.
I give up. Welcome. I speak only a very little French despite taking it for six years in Canada. You know, that whole bilingual country thing. And then I studied German in university. So I can butcher two languages in addition to my native tongue!
At any rate, it's interesting reading a thread and being reminded of all those words that at one time made some amount of sense to me. Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
J'assisterais à un classe de français dedans que nous regardions beaucoup des films français, mais tout les films serais sur le sujet de l'occupation. Est-ce que il y a beaucoup des films comme ça? Ou peut-être le professeur a aimé les films de l'occupation. Posted by Choobak (Member # 7083) on :
I think that movies is 5% of french movies... Your prof is "Has been", "complétement à la rue", "dépassé", from another stone age. Ask him to watch "Nikita" or "Leon", or "le Professionnel".
If he he think it's too violent, ask him "Le goût des autres" or a comic movies (we have a lot of it - not always very good)
And when i write 5%, I wonder if it's less...
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
No, there's not that much films about occupation. I guess your teacher was found about the subject
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