This thread is imortal now, so who needs the content of this useless post
[ May 26, 2005, 01:56 PM: Message edited by: breyerchic04 ]
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
its cute.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
(DD and E are the same size, as I learned when I got pregnant...)
[ December 14, 2004, 12:38 PM: Message edited by: ketchupqueen ]
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
It's true. Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
Put a smile on my face.
A) Atrocious
B) Bloody hell, tiny!
C) Crappy, but OK
D) Ding-a-ling! What've we got here?
DD) Useless, just a badly written OO, which looks like...
E) Extra-cute
F) F***ing hell!
G) Get outta here!
H) Holy S***
See? Anyone can make those up.
[ December 14, 2004, 05:31 PM: Message edited by: Jonathan Howard ]
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Well, that was tacky.
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
I bet its men posting these things...
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
Did my name give away my sexuality?
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Your post is rude to the person who started the thread, and it's harsh without any wit to redeem it.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
So, is THAT what gave his sex away?
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Somehow, I wouldn't want to insult his entire sex with that either.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
Seriously, the number of posts in this forum that require ****ing out the words are incredibly small and generally warranted (extreme situations, major emotional deals, etc). Not really a place for casual swearing.
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
I have to confess that I put in my own stars sometimes, just because, you ****loving, *****licking, sonofa*****.
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
quote:See? Anyone can make those up.
quote:So, is THAT what gave his sex away?
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
I didn't mean to make anyone feel unconfortable if I did. I din't evenlook at the name of the person who posted originally.*sorry* I just figured that its mostly men who go wild with boobs and stuff. Personally, I don't really care how big they may or may not be.
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
I can't speak for anyone else, but you didn't make me uncomfortable, at least.
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I find it hilarious that Juliette is way more of a boob-looker than I am. I can't tell you how many times she's asked me if I saw some woman's cleavage that I didn't even notice, or commented on some actress's breast size when I wasn't even looking.
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
Saxon, I find that to be true between me and my hubby as well. I'll point someone out, and he'll say, "Oh. I didn't notice."
Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
Yeah, Megan, I know what you mean. My hubby's more of a bottom and leg man. Which makes perfect sense, actually.
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
Do you wonder why it doesn't make me laugh ? Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
quote:I find it hilarious that Juliette is way more of a boob-looker than I am. I can't tell you how many times she's asked me if I saw some woman's cleavage that I didn't even notice, or commented on some actress's breast size when I wasn't even looking.
Same thing happens here, especially with TV.
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
quote: I bet its men posting these things...
Actually the original poster of the thread was a female. I know her RL.
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
Oh, well its just men that generall go for the boob comments. Although we women also tend to look out for "competition". Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
quote: Your post is rude to the person who started the thread, and it's harsh without any wit to redeem it.
I am a grumpy adolescent, who's living in Israel as a Jew and studies Sigmund Freud in psychology lessons. Now you tell me it isn't my essence!
Jonathan
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
If you're this way with peopl, I don't believe hatrack is the place for you. Thats just my opinion. Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
or psychology
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
no kidding
...wait, no...he could learn something.
[ December 14, 2004, 05:46 PM: Message edited by: mackillian ]
Posted by JenniK (Member # 3939) on :
What about I , J, K, L, M , and MM ??? And yes there are double m's out there...all I say to that is ouch! do you know how much specialty size bra's cost? Not only is that a money ouch...it's a physical ouch.
I for one, think people like Pamela Anderson are a little touched in the head when they decide to "enhance" (add) to their top-heaviness. (is that a word?) I personally, would like the opposite. I don't look at the competition, because there aren't many that complete with me, but I'm much like my junior bridesmaid...she was a double d when she turned 14. It's painful, causes back and headaches, and causes some people to be self conscious:blushing: . But I can still laugh about this post. They are something I came by naturally, so why shouldn't I laugh...
so what do you say to I - MM ? Anyone? Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I say, I'd be happy to give 'em away. And thank goodness I and J are available as non-customs.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I find my inherently boring.
And that they GET IN THE WAY during sports. Ugh. I hate running with my B cups not strapped in. I can't imagine what it'd be like if they were bigger. Which is why I can never understand boob jobs. WHY would you want them MORE in the way?
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
Pamela Anderson looked so much better the first few years she was modeling. No fake boobs, natural makeup, and she didn't have her hair built up.
Then she became the closest a human can get to being a Barbie and I lost all interest.
Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
Didn't she get them reduced back?
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
So it was reported, but recent pictures of her don't support it.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
An uplifting side note.
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
My aunt has a D cup and suffers from back pain all the time. I think that more mammary glands were developing. She had to get a surgery for those. Now she has horribly big scars near her armpits.
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
Does anyone remember that bra that came out a few years ago that had 3 settings to change your cleavage, from regular to extra-push up? I told my girlfriend all it needs is a remote control for the boyfriend. hubby/bf w/RC--> <--hapless female
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
There's only one company that makes an affordable (that's a relative term) nursing bra in my size, and they don't have great back support. Ouch.
Posted by Boon (Member # 4646) on :
There's only one store in the entire Tulsa area that makes or carries a bra that will fit me. That's not funny.
What is funny is the original post. I'd love to "(G)et a reduction!"
Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
I've always had a hard time getting a bra that fits, but not for the same reason. The good news is, after breastfeeding two babies, I still have what the hubby calls 'anti-gravity' breasts.
Ya just gotta love what ya got! Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Livvy is most lovable, 'tis true. Posted by IvyGirl (Member # 6252) on :
HA!!!!! Sorry, Olivetta, that isn't going to happen for me. Oh well.
Ivygirl
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
Double Dang!
Mind you, I think I preferred my Barely There/Can't complain size from a few years back - oh so much easier to buy nice, cute and cheap underwear for.
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
My experience in high school was a "grass is greener" scenario - women with small breasts wanted bigger and those with bigger wanted smaller.
That said, I am a guy and I found the email (which I've seen before) to be amazingly funny for a variety of reasons.
-Trevor
Posted by J T Stryker (Member # 6300) on :
In my opinion breasts kinda loose interest after you turn.. oh... 15... i mean all women have them. but then again, i'm an a** man...
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Can you talk to my husband?
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
I haven't seen so many women discussing their breast size since Ralphie left.
Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
She always did bring out the best in Hatrack, didn't she....
Posted by J T Stryker (Member # 6300) on :
Does your husband need to have "the talk"? lol
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
See, I'm nursing the baby, and sometimes I wish he'd focus on things that aren't quite so sore...
Posted by J T Stryker (Member # 6300) on :
Hmm... this is a very interesting problem.... as in I'm interested in whether there is a solution to your husbands breast fetish or not... I mean there are so many other points of interest in the female anatomy... Maybe if you pointed these out to him, he'd get distracted...
Posted by IvyGirl (Member # 6252) on :
Hmm...this is turning out to be an interesting thread. Whoa there, Stryker. Calm down.
Ivygirl
Posted by J T Stryker (Member # 6300) on :
*puts finger to mouth* Shhhh... I'm waiting to see her response.... I may have a future as a sex councilor. Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
quote:She always did bring out the breast in Hatrack, didn't she....
Fixed that for you. Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
Oh no... puns... and Stryker, good heavens!
That is all.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
And I'm having a helluva time finding bras in my size here. Imagine, south Asia. Imagine how petite they are. Skinny like sticks. Imagine their feet size. No, not relevant to boobs, but it's still a sticking point. I have size tens. Can I find shoes that fit me here?
Only if I wear the mens sandals. Which is what I do.
Clothes in my size? Somewhat. I'm a bit . . . bigger. There are all of two stores that carry anything in my size.
Now think about bras.
Can I find bras here in my size?
Are you kidding me? Back in Canada I had a difficult time as it was. There isn't a hope here. I'm just hoping my bras hang in long enough . . .
Remind me, the next time I'm in civilization, to stock up.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I don't usually link to sites that have nekkid pictures . . . but for the ladies who have difficulty finding bras is their size, I strongly recommend this site. They have great prices, free shipping, good shipping times (although I admit to never having had them ship stuff out of the U.S.), and great customer service.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
rivka, that site does have a large selection, including nursing bras with lots of support-- sadly, largely outside my budget range.
And my husband has requested I not imply things about our personal life any more, as he's met a few Hatrackers, is meeting more in less than 2 weeks, and anticipates meeting even more in the future. Posted by Boris (Member # 6935) on :
*runs out of thread*
[ December 14, 2004, 10:56 PM: Message edited by: Boris ]
Posted by Eaquae Legit (Member # 3063) on :
I went into the clinic a while ago - campus quacks - and had the worst of the lot of them.
I was complaining about a back/chest pain that was random, unpredictable, and fortunately rare. He suggested at one point that perhaps my boobs were too big.
I hover between (B)arely There and (C)an't Complain!, and I'm about 5'9. It amused me.
... Not enough to ever want to go back to that doctor, though.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
ketchupqueen Member Member # 6877
posted December 14, 2004 08:23 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- See, I'm nursing the baby, and sometimes I wish he'd focus on things that aren't quite so sore... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fighting a visual...and losing.
Kwea
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
(sigh) I gained a few pounds back there and became a Double Dang... I'm still up there, but I lost some weight and my back stopped hurting so much, a fact that I'm very happy about.
Make no mistake, I love my boobies, but sometimes they're more trouble than they're worth! (pun intended) So far, anyway...
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
*grins* We will refrain from embarassing him too badly in the future, Ketchup.
-Trevor
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Shall I tell you about our troubles with birth control, then, if you're not going to harass him? *looks innocent*
*giggles*
(He's reading this over my shoulder. )
Posted by jehovoid (Member # 2014) on :
Tell him not to look down.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
You think he can resist?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
kq, do you WANT me to be able to look either you or your husband in the eye at the shinda?
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
I don't think that will be the problem, Rivka.
It's looking at them anywhere else that's going to be difficult.
-Trevor
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
rivka, if you could only see how pretty he blushes, you'd know why I do things like this. I promise not to bring up sensitive subjects at the shinda.
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
*ROFLMAO*
Oh my god Ketchup, ROFLMAO
-Trevor
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
:angelic:
I don't know what you're talking about, Trevor.
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
I'll keep an eye on the thermostat just for you (and his dignity).
-Trevor
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Ok . . .
*adds to "Things to Bring to the Shinda" List*
sunglasses
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
Just for the record, I'm leaving the innuendo on that one alone.
-Trevor
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Trevor, you're bad. Even I can't find innuendo in that one.
Of course, it is 12:30 in the morning.
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
S'all good - it was funnier earlier, not so much now.
-Trevor
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
*reminded suddenly about annoying a Victoria's Secret worker about H cups*
Posted by Grisha (Member # 6871) on :
{I} Impossible to find clothes that fit
{J} Just plain painful
{K} Kind of unsure if my shoes are still tied
{L} Lingerie designed by NASA
{M} Major back pain
{MM} Major Medical help needed
I know they aren't as good as the ones in the original post, but beacause someone requeasted that an attempt be made for the other sizes, so I took a crack at it. Those were what I came up with, I think they are okay considering it is 3:30 am. Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
So...um...how do you know what cup size you are? Is it just what fits? Or do you use that formula where you make some measurements and calculate it based on those?
Posted by Jeni (Member # 1454) on :
Basically you're supposed to measure around your bust line and just below and find the difference, which somehow corresponds to the letter sizes. I think the more common way to do it is to just try on the various sizes, though. It seems like they vary by brand anyway.
I am a bit curious about the "sleep bras" in rivka's link. Are there people who actually go through the trouble of wearing bras while asleep?
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
I do.
Hobbes Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Measure just below your boobs around the rib cage. That's the number portion of your bra size. Measure around the fullest part of your boobs. For every inch, you get another cup size. One inch=A, 4 inches=D. And so on and so forth.
Or something like that. Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Apparently you can get free bra sizings at Victoria's Secret.
Just sayin'.
I've never availed myself of said service.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
OK, in measuring, what if you have post-nursing breast droop? Is there way to measure that? Cuz when it's all gathered in the cup, it sticks out way more than when they're just hangin, ya know?
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I have. I love Victoria's Secret. I'm between two cup sizes, so most bras never quite fit. At Victoria's Secret, they measure you, then hand you about twenty different bra styles to try on till you find one you like. Viva VS!
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Elizabeth, it's not just post-nursing that causes that. Big boobs and time does it, too. Dunno if it's to the same extent, never having experience the whole post-nursing bit.
I dunno. Those are just guidelines anyway, and since all bras fit different, there's still a lot of trial and error anyway. Call it a starting point? And if the drooping is significant, add on another letter? Or two? Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
If there's significant drooping, I think you're supposed to wear your best-fitting bra to measure.
Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
I'm with Katie. Victoria's Secret is the best; those ladies working there know what they're doing. I've had a lot of friends go there only to find out they've been wearing the wrong size bra for years.
space opera
Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
Something like 90% of American women are wearing the wrong size bra and don't know it. And Victoria's Secret is totally useless to me, since they only carry 30-36 A-D. Guess it's Omar's Tent & Awning for people like me Or online specialty shops that make you wait weeks and charge an arm and a leg, and after all that the one you get still might not even fit because you can't know for sure without trying them on.
Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
Hmm. My sis is a DD and is able to find things at VS. Could different stores carry different sizes? I agree though, that it must be a pain. Every time I hear my sister complain about how her t-shirts don't fit, etc. I'm very thankful I don't have to deal with that problem.
space opera
Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
Heh...okay, maybe they go a bit higher than a D cup, but somehow I don't think they carry 36/38 J/I, which is what I need (depends on the manufacturer). And yeah, it's hard to find clothes that fit right. T-shirts and such are okay, since I can either wear them baggy, or garner male appreciation of the strain marks across the chest if the mood takes me For blouses, though, I have to buy size 18s and have them tailored to take the waists in to about a 12 Bye-bye, lots of money...good thing my job is casual dress so I don't have to wear those kinds of clothes often.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I have a sneaking suspicious I'm wearing the wrong bra size. Crap.
I want to be measure, but I'm all embarassed.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Jeez, Stray. That sounds like my shoulder problem.
I have to get a size or two bigger in shirts than I really am if they're button-up because my shoulders are so broad.
Except I'm not that, er, ample. So they are all baggy I tend not to wear button ups. But some of them are so cute!
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Too bad you're not in LA-- there's a shop called The Wizard of Bras that is apparently amazing. Of course, they're also expensive, and you may be shocked by the groping if you've never been there before, but it's apparently the best-fitting bra you've ever worn.
I'm chicken. I was going to go there to get a bra for my wedding, but decided I couldn't handle the intimacy...
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
I find it kind of amusing that, despite someone's comment early in the thread to the effect that men have an obsession with breasts and like to talk about them all the time, this thread is primarily populated by women who are telling us, in great detail, about their own breasts, using terms like "boobs" and even "boobies". The men, meanwhile, have largely been polite and respectful. I'm just sayin', is all. Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
I've never put stock in the directions for finding out your bra size. If I follow those instructions I end up with something absurd like a 42AA. In truth, the best fit for me would probably be something like a 40B, but I've never been able to find such a size (so I end up with a 38B, which can be found but is a little tricky, and a bra extender). Everyone assumes that if you have a big ribcage you must have big boobs too. *sigh* If only that were actually the case.
Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
I understand that women with a small ribcage and large breasts have it even worse, ludosti. They don't even have the extender option.
And yeah, a lot of the sizing charts are bogus--especially the part where they tell you to add X (usually 3-4) inches to your underbust measurement, and then subtract *that* number from your bust measurement. Wrong wrong wrong! This will give you a bra size with the chest band too big and the cup too small--it's cheaper for them to make the bras that way, but it will be unsupportive and uncomfortable for you. You should only add 1 or 2 inches to your underbust before subtracting, if you add anything at all--the difference in my unaltered measurements (no adding) is ten inches, which puts me at about a J cup on the size charts, which is usually what fits me. STEWpid bra manufacturers.
And don't even get me started on the mathematical hokey-pokey I have to go through if I want to adjust a knitting pattern to fit me.
Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
Holy cow. I need new bras because the elastic is giving out on my old ones and I've lost wieght so my newer ones are also too big around the barrel. Sizing seems so complicated... eh, just gimme a couple inches of masking tape to hide the pointy bits and I'm golden.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
quote: So, is THAT what gave his sex away?
Quoting myself here. Just want everyone to know I was kidding.
JKJKJKJK whatever is takes for people to get the green light to use humor. Good cripes, people. If I really believed all men were that insensitive WHY would I have willingly placed myself under the laws and whims of one for the rest of my life?
For good measure:
[ December 15, 2004, 12:30 PM: Message edited by: PSI Teleport ]
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Just a tip on bra sizes, it is surprising how many ladies (and even more men) don't know this, but the letter of the cup does not determine the size of the cup. The size is different depending on the band-size. For example, a 34 B is the same cup size as a 36 A. A 34 D is the same size as a 36 C and so forth. I have no clue why it is done this way since it makes everything more confusing, but it seems that the letter is more about the proportions between band and cup than it is about the actual cup size.
My understanding is that the cup sizes that are discussed by men tend to be those at a 36 band-size. Just what I've heard. Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
That explains some things...
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
So I suppose if we all want to discuss breast size accurately, we should be reporting it in cubic centimeters. Let's see, I could fill up a bowl of water and measure the displacement...
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
"Eureka!"
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
This is embarrassingly true, Bev. Even the ladies at Victoria's Secret don't seem to get this. When they ask, "What's your bra size" I always hang my head and say quietly, "32D".
Then they ask me to repeat myself, because they obviously didn't hear me correctly. So I say again, more loudly, "32D."
"Oh, no, honey. You're not a D. Let's go find you a nice A or B. No way you're a D."
Then, after "trying on" a 32A, 32B, and 34A I explain to them that a D cup on a 32 bust really doesn't mean anything. The cup size only means the difference between the measurements around the ribcage and the bust. Since I have a 28-inch ribcage, it doesn't take much to get one to a D cup.
It makes me mad and embarrassed just thinking about it.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
I'm sorry, PSI. If anyone should understand how bras work, it should be the people who work selling them. Especially at VS where they are supposed to be experts! Yup, a 32 D is what most men think of as an "A". (Supposedly they measure by how the breast fits into their hands, and that doesn't take into account a girl's proportions at all.)
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
The worst part is that I have to pay more for a bra because it's a D and they only sell a few of their bras in that size. I generally have to settle for a 34B which is a little too small in the cup, or a 34C which is too big all around.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Someday if you are feeling "vengeful", you can ask to speak to the manager and explain who inept the gal they hired is. Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
I'm a 32A, PSI. Which badically means there is nothing there. You're lucky. Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
A couple of years ago I was offered a job at Victoria's Secret and they seemed pretty rigorous about teaching their hirees (sp?) about all that stuff. I turned the job down because I had been offered one elsewhere the day before, so I never got to see if they carried through with it.
For the record, it isn't just Victoria's that this happens. That's just the most embarrassing place. It happens more often in Dillard's or things like that but generally there will be less witnesses.
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
"Yup, a 32 D is what most men think of as an "A". (Supposedly they measure by how the breast fits into their hands, and that doesn't take into account a girl's proportions at all.)"
This is, obviously, because to a guy, the important factors in breast size are not how the bra fits, but how the hands fit.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Undoubtedly many men think this about themselves, Paul, but I am willing to bet good money that the proportions of a woman make a difference on how attractive their figure appears to a man. A 32 D will look bigger than a 36 A, yet be the same cup size.
Proportions matter.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Yes. Something will draw the man's attention in the first place. For men who are not "breast men" this may not be a factor. For many it is.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
That's very true; I had a friend in HS whose size, if you asked, was a very modest 34 C, but she was only 5'1", with a tiny, tiny frame.
They looked huge on her.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Unless you're one of those guys who sizes up a lady by running up and testing how her boob fits in your hand. Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
Oh, I know proportions matter. Heck, my taste in proportions vary with height, and I'm well aware of that. My point was that, a guy is probably not as concerned with bra size, as with size relative to the guy's hands. For women, bra size matters more, because its something you have to deal with on a regular basis. A guy is likely simply to find out what size his girlfriend or wife wears, so he can buy the appropriate lingerie for birthdays and such. For us, bra size is something we only think about maybe once or twice a year. Beyond that, its appearance, and contact.
I was trying to be a little funny, guess it didn't work.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Now you know how I feel.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
quote:Unless you're one of those guys who sizes up a lady by running up and testing how her boob fits in your hand
Her boyfriend didn't seem to mind. Maybe he had small hands... Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
Men rarely tend to discuss specifics because we honestly don't have a clue.
All the discussions I've overheard tend to use vague descriptors like "they're nice, or too small or too large or" etc. without trying to delve into numbers.
Unless you're talking about a guy with an extreme and extremely specific fetish, most of us are bright enough to know how much we don't know and won't discuss it as such.
The ones who do are either fashion designers or idiots.
-Trevor
Posted by maui babe (Member # 1894) on :
Back to the discussion on Victoria's Secret...
I went to VS while I was in Atlanta (there are NO VS in the state of Hawaii ) and got professionally measured. They had a wide variety of size 38 bras (I even saw some 40s and 42s while I was browsing), including their new "very sexy" line - push ups without padding , which I tried on, but realized there wasn't a chance in the world that I would ever wear one in public, so I bought a more practical one instead. Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
I have one of those. It's awesome.
It's a 34C, if anyone was wondering.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
But Paul, and Trevor, it is worse than that. Far too many men speak of cup letter size as though it is a specific thing. For instance, what man does not automatically assume that "D" means "big"? Such a man is suprised when they find out that a "D" can actually be what they might think of as small.
For instance, the first post. While a woman posted it, I imagine it was a man that originally came up with it. For all women's apparent interest in breasts, it is a different *sort* of interest than a man's, if you take my meaning. The first post shows just how ignorant *some* men are about cup size.
[ December 15, 2004, 02:39 PM: Message edited by: beverly ]
Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
You know, I guess a lot of it is comfort, too. I believe that technically I wear a 34, but depending on the bra sometimes I buy a 36. I also go back and forth between cup sizes depending on the style of the bra.
But now that I think about it - isn't it just easier to go without?
space opera
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Another big (or small) problem is shape. All bras were invented for women with breasts that stand out like cones from the chest area. Puh-lease.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Whoo hoo! Go granola chick! Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
I hear ya, PSI. Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
It's easier, but I assume you'd still like to have the appearance of breasts when you are fifty. Keep your bra on, for your sake.
Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
Bev.
I've discovered that when one stays at home all day there is no need for a bra. I don't like to feel, you know, *constricted* when I'm making granola from romany's recipe or crocheting throw rugs.
space opera
edit: PSI, I've thought of that. But like Olivia, I must be blessed with anti-gravs. I've breastfed 2 babies and *my* babies are still where they belong.
[ December 15, 2004, 02:44 PM: Message edited by: Space Opera ]
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
quote: It's easier, but I assume you'd still like to have the appearance of breasts when you are fifty. Keep your bra on, for your sake.
But my bras hurt my back, and I sag anyway (have since age 16, when I, uh, "developed" suddenly), and I'm not going anywhere today...
[ December 15, 2004, 02:46 PM: Message edited by: ketchupqueen ]
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
I'm under the impression that breastfeeding is better for the breast shape, not worse. I could be wrong.
Posted by dread pirate romany (Member # 6869) on :
I is for "i love everything about breastfeeding but these freaking huge breasts". No kidding, I am a 34I and 5'1. Luckily I can find bras prettily easily from Motherwear but they ARE $38. But shirts that fit right? It does not help that B like to buy me shirts in the JUNIOR'S department and then is hurt when I won't wear them.
And with babies this size, no amount of granola-ness will convince me to go without.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Um, I don't know, maybe having the baby tug and pull at them makes them more elastic?
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
To gain and lose weight quickly is what's bad for the shape. The sudden huge breasts you get when you have a baby if you choose not to breastfeed and then the sudden diminishing of them a few days later will do a number on them. Slowly building up the size and slowly weaning your child months later should, in theory, cause less damage.
[ December 15, 2004, 02:57 PM: Message edited by: PSI Teleport ]
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
quote:Far too many men speak of cup letter size as though it is a specific thing. For instance, what man does not automatically assume that "D" means "big"? Such a man is suprised when they find out that a "D" can actually be what they might think of as small.
You know, this may just be my male ignorance speaking, but it seems to me that the current bra sizing system is rather suboptimal. I mean, it's kind of counterintuitive that cup letters mean different things when paired with different band numbers. It seems to me that it would make much more sense if there were one measurement for bands that always meant the same thing, and one measurement for cups that always meant the same thing. Wouldn't that make more sense? It still wouldn't really address the proportionality thing, because even if a C always meant the same size cup, it would still look bigger on a 5'-tall woman than a 6'-tall woman. But it still seems like it would make sense that way.
Of course, I've also always been mystified about women's sizes. The fact that the same woman can wear size 8, 10, or 12 jeans depending on the manufacturer just seems ludicrous to me. Men's sizes make so much more sense. This is how long my legs are, this is how big around my waist is, pants displaying those numbers should fit me.
Not that all men's sizes make a lot of sense. I mean, it has always bothered me that my sock size and my shoe size aren't the same.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Men's sizing systems are definitely better. Women sizing systems assume that every female on the planet has the same proportions. It's really stupid. Apparently I have the proportions of an five-foot eleven-year-old girl with a bustle on.
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
I can't wait until the women's clothing industry wises up and starts sizing pants and jeans like they do for mens'.
As it is, I usually have to buy men's jeans to get something thats a decent length. Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Women's jeans should have a waist/hip/length measurement in the same way that man have a waist/length.
But then we're getting into tailor-made.
Posted by dread pirate romany (Member # 6869) on :
quote: Apparently I have the proportions of an five-foot eleven-year-old girl with a bustle on.
Posted by Architraz Warden (Member # 4285) on :
quote: Men's sizing systems are definitely better. Women sizing systems assume that every female on the planet has the same proportions. It's really stupid. Apparently I have the proportions of an five-foot eleven-year-old girl with a bustle on
Alright, I read Psi's comment above before I read the post discussing men's clothing. I was still in the cup-sizing system, and that quote in that context was priceless.
Feyd Baron, DoC
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
DPR, When i was nursing, i was lucky to have the Motherwear outlet only a few miles away, so i could get bras for ten bucks or less, as well as nursing shirts.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Ha, not hardly. Although I have met a few like that.
You must have thought I was looking at my boobs through a telescope.
[ December 15, 2004, 03:24 PM: Message edited by: PSI Teleport ]
Posted by kyrie (Member # 6415) on :
The reason womens sizeing is so messed up is because back in the day when standerdized sizeing was developed for the budding consept of the department sorte etc. the whole indistry was run by men with very little input by women.
My aunt once was in France and needed a bra rather desperatly, so she went ot a little bra store and when she asked the women for a bra, the lady wend up behind her put her hands around her rib cage, and then cuped her boobs. The women went strate to a shelf picked out a box and handed my aunt a bra.... apparently it was the best fitting, most comfrtable bra she ever had. She wore it for years till it fell to bits... she has always wanted to go back. It seems like it would be worth it to get something cofortable. Then again, i dont have much to be mesured in the first place Posted by margarita (Member # 6856) on :
34D is the size I have to wear. 34C is the size I measure at in my 34D bra, which is the bra that fits me best. I've gotten the "Oh, honey, you aren't a 34D" line from the women at Victoria's Secret, and then I've proceeded to try on every bra they throw at me and mystify them by overflowing every single one.
Maybe I just have soft, yet voluminous breasts?
Perhaps I'm just strange, but I can't stand wearing a completely opaque sweater or shirt, and having there be a visible, indented line where the bra stops covering my breasts. And I see this on women EVERYWHERE. If you're wearing a bra designed to make you look bigger, or just give you more lift, why announce that the effect is contrived?
Sports bras are even worse. I found one that fit and kept me from bouncing, but it was discontinued. The one I've had to settle for since does almost the same job, but doesn't provide any separation, so they tend to slide together in the front...which means that in spite of being very modestly cut, I still wind up flashing cleavage everywhere. At least it works to my advantage in sparring.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
kyrie, that's what happens at The Wizard of Bras. Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
My brother-in-law was riding in the car with his parents. He was in the back seat, but was being a radio Tyrant, as teen boys will sometimes do.
Just as they were passing a pretty girl in a tight top on the sidewalk, he gave his father instructions on how to get to the radio station he wanted to hear by telling which button to push. "Seek up! Seek up!"
The fallout of that little misunderstanding has provided us all with entertainment for years. Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
Actually the quadruple-boob effect is the result of poor fit; it means the cups are too small.
Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
Or, in Sara's case, the triple boob effect means something else entirely. *nudge, nudge*
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
quote: You know, this may just be my male ignorance speaking, but it seems to me that the current bra sizing system is rather suboptimal. I mean, it's kind of counterintuitive that cup letters mean different things when paired with different band numbers. It seems to me that it would make much more sense if there were one measurement for bands that always meant the same thing, and one measurement for cups that always meant the same thing. Wouldn't that make more sense?
Saxon, I wholeheartedly agree with you! You know, men are always complaining about how women are so complex and impossible to understand or predict. Maybe it is some sort of sick joke that bra size has to be such a mystery too.
quote: Not that all men's sizes make a lot of sense. I mean, it has always bothered me that my sock size and my shoe size aren't the same.
Again, just following along with they symmetry of this whole situation.
[ December 15, 2004, 04:59 PM: Message edited by: beverly ]
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
quote: Alright, I read Psi's comment above before I read the post discussing men's clothing. I was still in the cup-sizing system, and that quote in that context was priceless.
Same thing happened to me!
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
quote: In my experience, the only reason men care about bra sizes is that women care. For guys, there are "small", "medium", and varying degrees of "big", and that depends on what clothing a woman wears much more than how big her breasts actually are. By the time he finds out your bra size, he's already made his decision as to how big your breasts are [Smile]
Might not be the case on this internet forum....
I guess it just bugs me when I hear men tossing around letters like they were talking about battery sizes.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Am I sheltered? I have NEVER heard ANY guy discuss cup sizes.
Except for Merry on Lost, that is.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
I was about to say that too. Well, maybe in rap videos, but that's all.
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
the guys I went to high school with did it all the time, during free days in orchestra, at lunch, all sorts of places. Almost as much as they rated girls.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
I wonder if any of them knew what they were talking about.
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
Just which guys are you talking about Breyer? We've certainly never done it.
Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
I never rated girls, nor tried to judge cup size. However, being the painfully shy, 'I only like you as a friend' type, I didn't really have a frame of reference.
Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
Uh, did a post or two disappear?
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Beg your pardon for the deleted post, but I suddenly came to my senses. There are things nobody (except for the lovely Olivia) should know about me.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
I'm more than a trifle sleep-deprived and just had a death in the family (my uncle, expected after a long hospitalization, but nonetheless). I've been a bit scatter-brained.
Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
No worries. It wasn't yours I was referring to. Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
It was cute. Posted by Architraz Warden (Member # 4285) on :
A few years ago I had the fringe knowledge of the topic, and just some brief conversations about cup sizes and how they worked. Then I got dragged semi-willingly on a shopping expedition with a girl while I was in Italy (I was there to judge the attractiveness factor, so it wasn't all bad). All that somehow led into a discussion of how European (well Italian in this case) fashions weren't particularly accomodating for the average american bust size. It eventually led into a lecture, after about the third time I'd commented that something that was more than a bit too small looked good. Honestly, it was a hard conversation to keep a straight face during (on both sides).
And I'm glad I'm not the only one who misread Psi. Phew.
Feyd Baron, DoC
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Did she mean that Europeans in general are smaller than Americans, or bigger?
Posted by Architraz Warden (Member # 4285) on :
Smaller. Or I think more correctly, "less ample" was the eventual compromised phrase. I also remember what I said that incurred enough wrath to warrant being lectured on such a topic, but it might be too off color, even for this thread.
Feyd Baron, DoC
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
I wonder if that is because our waistlines are bigger too? Posted by Architraz Warden (Member # 4285) on :
On average, I couldn't disagree (mine certainly would be). But the girl in question, much less so.
Feyd Baron, DoC
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
You're sheltered.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Maybe I hang out with respectful people.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Or are part of a different culture.
Posted by Architraz Warden (Member # 4285) on :
quote: You're sheltered.
You say that like it's a terminal malady. And whom are you two responding to?
Feyd Baron, DoC
Posted by SirReal (Member # 5257) on :
I think some of you are making mountains out of mole hills.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Nah, they are trying to support the masses. Or was it lift the fallen?
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I don't mean it as a terminal malady. The question was asked and I answered, tongue in cheek. I should start adding the j/k to everything.
Posted by Architraz Warden (Member # 4285) on :
Ahh, I see now. I missed the last two posts or so on that page appearantly. I could figure out who that was going to. And now that the puns have taken over, I'll bow out. Getting caught around Hatrack is acceptable, but for just to read puns, it's just not worth it.
Feyd Baron, DoC
Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
In high school, this guy who was kinda flirty with me said he was taking a poll, and that I could fill it out myself. I asked what it was and he showed me the sheet with several different handwriting styles and what were obviously bra sizes.
I declined, and spent the rest of the semester overhearing speculation about my chest. I should have just told them; it would have been less embarrassing.
Sara, dear, pencils or no pencils, I shall ever look upon your rack with envy. Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
I did not understand bra sizes before this thread. In all honesty, I think the most relevant question for a guy is "how many hooks does it have?" I mean, I like breasts ( ), but I don't go around guessing at women's cup sizes. There's "not for me," "nice," and " " ...but these don't bear any particular relation to size on an absolute scale, what's important to me is how well they fit with the rest of the woman's body. There are lots of different ways to be well-proportioned, and I'm personally partial to a number of those
saxon, I think your suggestion of standardizing cup sizes across bust measurements would require considerably more cup sizes.
Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
Ron and I were at the mall, and there was this very homely woman with a huge set of barbie boobies. Seriously unreal, and in a fairly skimpy tank top, no bra. Rememeber those egg things that some panyhose used to come in? Like those.
I was impressed, but Ron said, "Her money would have been better spent north of the collarbone." Which was really cruel and really funny at the same time.
Posted by Uhleeuh (Member # 6803) on :
I'm a girl and I know next to nothing about bras, even after reading this thread all the way through. I wear sports bras whenever possible, so it's not quite the same measuring. As for my bra size, I think I get a 38 B or C cup depending on the brand but I could be wrong. I haven't gotten a real bra in about two years and my tags are worn.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Trip to VS for you! ^_^
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I just got dragged to target by a friend who I told about this thread.
Yeah. I'm not a 36B. I'm a 36C. I have you all to thank for leading me to the light.
Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
Yeah, I saw that away message. LOL.
edit: very nearly wrote that as 'away massage'
[ December 15, 2004, 08:05 PM: Message edited by: TheTick ]
Posted by Brinestone (Member # 5755) on :
So after reading this thread I was curious about whether I had been wearing the wrong size all this time. I came home and measured myself.
Is it at all possible that I'm a 28C? Do they even make that size? I don't think I've ever seen anything smaller than a 32, and I seem to remember that feeling tight. I've been wearing a 34A for a long time now, and I'm freaked out that I might have been so wrong. Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
It would help if they made the bandsize equal the number of inches around the ribcage. That would make *so* much more sense, I think. As it is, it is a few inches wider. I just can't remember how many.
In order for you to be a 28 bandsize, your ribcage would have to measure 26 or 25 (I think) and that is so tiny!
Posted by Uhleeuh (Member # 6803) on :
Oh, I wouldn't mind going to VS. I was supposed to be taken there by some friends from PWeb but that never panned out and I wouldn't want to go in there alone.
Posted by maui babe (Member # 1894) on :
I actually prefer to go lingerie shopping alone... that way I can take all the time I need without feeling bad that I'm keeping someone else waiting.
I'm also more comfortable getting fitted and asking the sales staff questions without someone I know listening in... it's more anonymous, you know.
Posted by Uhleeuh (Member # 6803) on :
Oh, with a certain friend I plan on going with, I'm past the point of caring about anonymity. We've openly discussed our breast size and tried to figure out who's bigger since our bra sizes didn't seem too accurate-her bra size suggests she would be bigger but we decided my breasts are (barely) bigger. If only we knew then what I'm learning now through this thread...but maybe we're just weird for putting that much effort/thought into it.
And she offered to take me since she's been in VS who knows how many times and I've never been in there. I didn't even want to go to there until she convinced me to give it a try.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
My friend and I got stalls next to each other and just kept shouting over to each other. Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
I confess I didn't know that the letters weren't directly tied to size. But then, I'm not the sort of guy that discusses breasts in such terms anyway, nor are any of my male friends. I never pretended to understand bra size; I gauge a woman's breast size by how big they look compared to the rest of her. I'm more interested in proportion than in size.
And I'm more of a butt man anyway.
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
I've been in VS a couple times.
The price tags take up more volume then the actual material...
But, I've always been impressed with how well the staff treats the women i've been in there with. I can imagine much cause for embarresment, but, never been the case.
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
You have to admire the predictability of stupidity, Beverly.
I don't discuss bra sizes because I fully accept that I don't have a clue and really don't care.
Have I ever rated a woman's breasts according to my own sense of aesthetics? Certainly - although I usually don't share that kind of information since I'd rather not listen to her commentary on the hows and whys I don't appeal to her, either. Turn about is fair play, after all.
Edit: And as a complete aside, was the aunt shocked at being professionally, disspationately handled during her bra shopping?
-Trevor
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Trevor, I am one who appreciates consistency. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Wow. Every bra store I have ever stepped foot in has known how to properly measure and size. Is it just an L.A. thing? Because I've found this to be true in chi-chi Beverly Hills places and mom-and-pop (well, maybe not pop) Baldwin Hills places -- and everywhere in between.
The problem is, in my size, they usually have to special order. I'd rather do that myself, and get 'em shipped here. Every few years I do go in and get my size determined by a professional, though.
[Edit: HUH? how did some of my letters become numbers? How odd!]
[ December 15, 2004, 11:23 PM: Message edited by: rivka ]
Posted by WheatPuppet (Member # 5142) on :
Maybe I'll take my girlfriend to VS this weekend and get her fitted. She doesn't know her size, she just buys what she think fits. I'd love to buy her a really nice bra, since she doesn't seem to have enough of them.
Or are bras like pants for men, and you can wear them for a few days in a row?
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
Yeah, you can wear them a few days in a row depending on how much you sweat. I wash 'em after I exercise in them, but otherwise, once in awhile is fine.
I love it that a joke about bra sizes has turned into a technical discussion. Only on Hatrack Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
This now has me wondering if bra sizing is different in Canada than it is in the US. I have a 38" ribcage, and I wear a 38 bra. When I was skinny - for me and years ago - I wore a 32 bra and had a 32" ribcage. Granted, I still had an impossible time finding a bra that fit and cost under $75. I was a 32F. Time to have them special made.
I also followed the guidelines of number of inches more than ribcage = cup size, and I always found bras that fit properly. Well, after trying on a dozen or more different styles, that is.
This has me so curious that I've surfed a bit. Victoria Secret says to measure ribcage and add 5" to get the numerical part of the bra size, and then each inch adds a letter. So according to that, I should be wearing a 44, which would so definitely NOT stay in place. And I found other sites - granted, Canadian - that recommending using the measurement system I mentioned way way earlier. And I found yet others that said to measure under the arm pits above the breasts to get the band measurement. And then another site said to measure under the breast and add 5" if the measurement is 33" or less, and add 3" for anything over that.
CAN YOU SAY INCONSISTENCY?
Sheesh. And they keep throwing out that 70% or 80% or 90% (depending on the website) of all women wear the wrong sized bra. NO WONDER! Get a clue, ya silly manufacturers. Learn how to be consistent, create a system that's logical and easy to understand, and chances are we'll start wearing bras that fit better!
Sheesh! Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I work at JCPenney, and they have girls in the womens depatment that measure upon request. They also have bra fitting clinics 3-4 times a year.
Also, for people who have the same problem Jenni has, she goes to Lane Bryant for hers whenever possible. VS doesn't have anything within 2-3 sizes of what she needs, but LB always does, and their prices are pretty fair compared to department stores.
Kwea
[ December 16, 2004, 02:47 AM: Message edited by: Kwea ]
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Lane Bryant is a good source (I use the catalog -- did you mean the stores?) as well. But I find that the place I linked to generally beats them on price -- especially with the coupon and free shipping.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
There is a lot of inconsistency in the bra sizes, but the one that works best for me is the one on the VS website. You do add five inches unless it's an even number, then you only add four. 28 inch ribcage = 32. But if I were a 29 inch ribcage I'd be wearing a 34. So one inch can equal two inches in the bra which doesn't seem helpful to me at all.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
Wow, I'm glad I don't have to think about this stuff. It seems needlessly complex.
Posted by Xaposert (Member # 1612) on :
As are all things female. Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
quote: It would help if they made the bandsize equal the number of inches around the ribcage.
That's what we do here. In centimeters, but that's the same. And I'm a 90 E, which is hard to find and often very embarassing.
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
quote: ...Europeans in general are smaller than Americans...
You know, I wish I could judge, but 2.5 things stop me:
1) a. I've never been to neither North, nor South America (in Dublin, though, you could double the population if you counted Argentinian tourists), moreover the USA; so I can't really compare from films. The net could provide options, except those pop-up pornsites don't give you a very objective view.
b. I've not been enough around Europe (sure, Italian beaches, the 'lovely' Czech girls, Austrians on a bus travelling through Vienna, and the English beautis, but that's too specified), can't judge.
2) It's far too rude, impolite and disgusting for me to go and stare at women's breasts; unless they ask me to. Even then, forget it - a relationship is based on more than that.
Jonny
P.S. Excuse the Off-Topicity (invented word), but I thought it might be illuminating. (WTH?)
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
quote:Wow, I'm glad I don't have to think about this stuff. It seems needlessly complex.
Twinky...so very, very true.
Posted by WheatPuppet (Member # 5142) on :
In the future, bras will be made out of a piezoelectric fabric that will change its properties based on support requirements! The quaint concept of "sizes" will be a thing of the past! [/geek]
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I think this is the female version of comparing, uh, I mean, of an often-mocked male competition.
Ladies, break out your measuring tapes.
Posted by Architraz Warden (Member # 4285) on :
Alright, I guess I'm just begging for a debate to get into, and this one seems fun.
There is a large difference between ogling someone and noticing them. I'm a horrendously visual person. If I saw someone out of the corner of my eye I could probably recognize them a month later, but if you tell me someone’s name, I'll probably forget it by the following day. Anytime I meet a person, male or female, it's a rarity that I don't look at them from head to foot. I'm not going to skip the ankle-to-neck section on women because I might notice some physical feature that could be construed as sexual in some contexts (actually, I guess that would rule out feet and head as well, depending who you were talking to).
In addition to that, I've gotten into a profession (Architecture) in which proportions are a huge part of both its history and its present. Human proportions have been a part of that since at the very least classical Greece, if not farther back. Particularly in this context, the idea that particular body parts are entirely taboo is naive, and really quite silly in my opinion. The first semester of most art programs simply shatters that somewhat modern notion.
The point here is that in order to make sweeping generalizations (that I tend to thing are born out by fashion trends, if that could ever be used as proof), you don't have to examine a bust with a magnifying glass. An unintentional passing glance with peripheral vision is like more than you'd need.
Feyd Baron, DoC
EDIT: This was directed at JH's post, before the one sentence posts hopped in between them.
[ December 16, 2004, 11:53 AM: Message edited by: Architraz Warden ]
Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
I just measured myself andf all I can say is... that can't be right. I... there's no way I'm a 32C. The one I'm wearing right now, which seems to fit just fine is a 36A. It's not too big around, even though I'm 32 inches around. I'm so confused.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
We talked about this in a christian moral life (we called it christian moral strife) theology class at my college.
The professor was a Benedictine monk (Father Benedict) and he talked about lust and trying to explain the difference between noticing and appreciating beauty and lust.
There's a difference, he explained. "Say I were a leg man. Now, a woman walks by and I notice that she does, in fact, have nice legs. I notice and appreciate the beauty. And I leave it at that. That isn't lust--it's a normal, human appreciation of what is beautiful. However, if I had continued to think about the woman, and moved into imagining her in all sorts of ways, that would be lust."
Of course the very next question from a classmate was, "So Father, are you in fact a leg man?"
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Olivia, add four inches to the actual measured amount.
I had that argument last night with my friend who ended up dragging me to Target.
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
add four or five inches to the band size since you are from the US.
Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
Then how do you decide the cup size?
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
We gave up and just had me try bras on.
We knew my band size was correct, but thought I had the wrong cup size. So we grabbed 36 C's (instead of what I thought I wore B's) in styles that I might like and had me try them on.
Holy support, Batman!
They fit and felt very supportive (I've never tried underwire).
I also ended up asking several times, "Are they SUPPOSED to look like this? They seem like they're...THERE."
My friend says, "Yes, Taylor. You DO have boobs. And you have more boobs than you thought."
"Damn. What am I going to tell Nathan?"
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
olivia, I think it's how much bigger the full part is than the spot right under your breasts. So like nothing would be AA, A is an inch, B 2 inches, C 3, D 4, DD 5, F 6, and so on. like I have a 35 inch ribcage, with 4 inches difference between ribcage and breasts, so I wear a 40D, usually.
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
Two questions:
Is there a super size?!
Why do they always close at the back?! Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
@ mack:
Corwin, not all do.
[ December 16, 2004, 12:10 PM: Message edited by: beverly ]
Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
My favourite oogling game came after learning of "the pencil test" from a friend. Which is, of course, a test of how many pencils you can hold under your bazoombas. My friend and I would whisper things like "seven" to each other after a girl walked by and desperately try to contain our laughter. Made even funnier by the fact that we had no real idea of how many pencils a typical breast can hold.
So that means not only did I need to glance at bosoms in order to play the game, but I had to objectify the woman in order to do it AND revel in my moral depravity in order to enjoy it. I may even excitedly declare "BAZOOMBAS!" while pointing in the same manner I would point out a red fire truck when I was five.
The one thing I can always count on Hatrack for is to show my how I'm a terrible, loathsome human being Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
quote:Corwin, not all do.
I do NOT trust front-closing bras. I had one come undone during an interview. I don't think it was obvious, but it isn't an experience I'd like to repeat.
For some reason, push-up bras are usually front-closing.
Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
Maybe the bra had a mind of it's own, and was trying to help you land the job?
edit: that sounds like something that would happen on Seinfeld
[ December 16, 2004, 12:13 PM: Message edited by: TheTick ]
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I did get an offer.
Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
There's between three and four inches difference between my ribcage and the measurement around the perky bits, but no way am I C cup. Is it the difference between measurements after you add four or five inches? That would make me a -A cup, whic isn't right either.
I'm not really a woman, I'm some sort of lumpy fraek.
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
Back snaps, front snaps, they're both doable. Just practice, corwin Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
I don’t trust the ones with shoulder straps that adjust with hooks rather than the little slidey-things. I had one of those pop out during an audition. Suddenly I was . . . um . . . lopsided.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
It's better to go ahead and use two hands if you need to than to fumble with one.
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
pretend you're a b cup then olivia, that's sort of middlish between the A you wear and the C it says you should wear. Hmm I have no clue.
I had an embarrassing front close story too, but I don't remember it, I just remember I won't go near them now, it was middle school, and that's just embarrassing to begin with.
Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
My favorite bras were front-close, until they got a bit old and and started popping loose at bad times.
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
Is there ever a bad time?
Paul: Aye, aye, sir!
Edit: breyerchic was right, this thread IS funny!
[ December 16, 2004, 12:24 PM: Message edited by: Corwin ]
Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
Bad time - while singing in the choir Christmas presentation
Worse time - while giving an oral report on the significance of the Fool in King Lear.
Worst time - while trying to politely discourage one's Old Testament professor from flirting with you.
O_O
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
Mack- Did you like your bras from Target? All of their bras seem to have underwires and the one I got from Target pokes into my boobs all the time and is incredibly uncomfortable. I don't know where to go to get cheap bras now, because Target doesn't have any in my size that are not underwires. So I'm trying to resign myself to spending thirty some dollars on comfortable VS bras.
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
There IS a bad time! Who knew?! o_0
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
blacwolve -- Try J.C. Penny's, if you have them where you live.
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
blacwolve, did you put the bra in the dryer? That's the only time mine warp. I've never had a problem in the washing machine, though. Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
All the underwires I got from Target felt great.
Olivia, we determined last night using the proper measuring technique that my cup size was zero.
o_O
And this thread is making me crack up. Twinky, if I ever heard you shout BAZOOMBAS! I'd die laughing.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
I said nothing about bazoombas...
quote:Why do they always close at the back?!
I think that makes them considerably more awkward for them than it does for us. Imagine having to fiddle with an unseen clasp behind your back every single morning... you'd get used to it, but still.
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
I've been under the impression that most women clasp them in front and then turn it around to put the straps on.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
That's what I do.
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
Thats def how women I've watched put on their bras do it.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I dunno. I just sorta shimmy mine on and never unclasp it. *shrug*
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
*thinks*
I have no idea which one I do. Maybe it changes with the bra?
How weird! I really don't know. I know I'm capable of putting them on both ways, but I just don't think about it at all. It's like asking which shoe you put on first. Do you know?
Posted by Uhleeuh (Member # 6803) on :
When I wear that kind, I clasp them in the front and turn it around, too. Much easier, I think, than trying to put it on and then clasp it in the back.
As for shoes, I always put my left shoe on first. Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
This is really starting to bother me - that I can't remember. Am I that absent-minded (Banna is not allowed to weigh on this question)? Do I black out while dressing?
[ December 16, 2004, 02:48 PM: Message edited by: katharina ]
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
*snort*
No, I had to think about it and replay putting on my shoes today.
And then think about comfort in having one shoe on...which foot would it feel weirder on?
Left shoe first.
I wonder if it differs with handedness.
I'm right handed.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
rotfl@ Kat. Well you didn't forget that you forgot your purse and then try to get gas without any sort of money on your person.
Actually (and I skipped to the end, maybe it has already been discussed) you are supposed to measure with a measuring tape across the nipples and around the back to get the number of inches for the size of your bra. But a different cup can vary the size as well. For example a 34 C and a 36 B fit pretty close to the same on me, because the C cup has enough extra give in it. But the B cup size fits better so I'm actually a 36 B. (Well a 35 B but you just take in the notches on a 36.)
AJ
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
AJ, I'm pretty sure the cup size of the 34 C and the 36 B are exactly the same volume. But the band size changes how tightly against you it fits and possibly the distance between the two cups. That might account for them fitting you differently. And that is assuming they are the same exact style. Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
I usually put my left shoe on first.
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quote:I just sorta shimmy mine on and never unclasp it.
Do you go in head first or feet first? I thought it was very odd the first time I saw Juliette take a top off by sliding it down around her hips.
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I really don't think undoing a bra is all that difficult. All it takes is a little practice.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I'm impatient.
And headfirst. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Huh, something mack and I have in common.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Tee hee!
<=== has never tried the shimmy thing
Posted by Lupus (Member # 6516) on :
quote:There's a difference, he explained. "Say I were a leg man. Now, a woman walks by and I notice that she does, in fact, have nice legs. I notice and appreciate the beauty. And I leave it at that. That isn't lust--it's a normal, human appreciation of what is beautiful. However, if I had continued to think about the woman, and moved into imagining her in all sorts of ways, that would be lust."
I had a youth paster that had a similar line...but his was a first look/ second look thing. He said that it was ok if a girl walked by and you noticed her attractiveness...but it because 'lust' when you took that second look.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
From the elders:
"If you don't look once, you're not a man. If you look twice, you're not a missionary."
Missionaries are so cute and dorky.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Well, there are double takes..,
quote:Huh, something mack and I have in common.
Is is THAT shocking that we have something in common?
Posted by Lisha-princess (Member # 6966) on :
Olivetta - I gave in and measured too and I came up with the same numbers and letters that you did. Who knows.
As for front or back...I had front snaps once and liked them, but now I have back hooks and they're fine too. I just put it on and then hook it. What's so hard about that?
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
I can't believe we're up to 5 pages talking about bra sizes...X.X
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
quote:I really don't think undoing a bra is all that difficult. All it takes is a little practice.
It's doing them up that I think of as awkward. But never having worn one, or actually even watched someone put one on, now that I think of it, my opinion on the subject of putting bras on is not exactly informed. Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
I think you mean SIX pages... muhahahaha!
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
This really must be the newest underground "Last Post Thread".
I win.
[ December 16, 2004, 04:34 PM: Message edited by: beverly ]
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
I think it's just that talking about bras is actually interesting. Now I'm curious as to who designs bras, and whether there is any actual engineering involved (because if there isn't there obviously should be).
Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
Part of it is also that, if you tried to have a serious discussion about bras (and breast size and so forth) on other sites, juvenile humor would rule the day.
[ December 16, 2004, 04:37 PM: Message edited by: TheTick ]
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
It's liberating to talk openly and respectfully about a subject that is normally considered "taboo".
I like that about Hatrackland. I have conversations with people here that I would not likely have in RL situations, not unless I was very comfortable around the people.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
Heh, I actually find Hatrack more restrictive than real life in terms of what I can and can't talk about Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Is there engineering involved with designing bras? I do have my favorites (Victoria's Secret), but I'm not sure WHY they are my favorite. They just fit correctly, don't move when I do, and are smooth in the front so I don't get seams with knit shirts.
[ December 16, 2004, 04:41 PM: Message edited by: katharina ]
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
Katharina- my girlfriend almost drools everytime a new victoria secret catalog comes around. She absolutely adores everything they sell. I asked her why, and she said "They make me feel sexy." Asked why they made her feel sexy and she couldn't really put it into words.
Not that I complain that she loves VS. Means I see lots of interesting outfits Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
quote:Part of it is also that, if you tried to have a serious discussion about bras (and breast size and so forth) on other sites, juvenile humor would rule the day.
I love that we started with the juvenile humor, and then very quickly derailed ourselves into a really interesting thread.
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
And just because it's been bugging me all morning - Bev, you do know when I said "the predictability of stupidity", I was referring to the guys who blather on about "cup size this" and "bra size that", right?
Oy.
-Trevor
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
mack, not shocking (if it were shocking, I'd have used an ); just interesting/amusing in a who'd'a-thought-we-had-that-in-common way.
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
quote:Asked why they made her feel sexy and she couldn't really put it into words.
There's something inherently sexy about imagining what a woman might have on under her clothes. It's even sexier when you're the woman, you KNOW what you've got on is wicked hot. It's a mostly harmless, but oh-so-naughty little secret. You get this sort of sharp, archy-eyebrow look in your eyes and a little smirky grin. People notice the twinkle in your eye and the blush in your complexion. You get checked out more. The image in the mirror seems spicier than normal.
It's just... well, it's just hot. And legal. Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
That explains a lot about the look in Ralphie's eyes in her pictures.
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
I've always thought it stems from the focus society puts on outward appearance.
I've known women who looked incredible in a white t-shirt and jeans - far much more attractive to me than some of the outfits I've seen in VS.
It's almost like makeup and jewelry - a lot of women would rather die than go out without makeup and some sort of jewelry.
-Trevor
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
quote: And just because it's been bugging me all morning - Bev, you do know when I said "the predictability of stupidity", I was referring to the guys who blather on about "cup size this" and "bra size that", right?
Nope, thought you were referring to something else.
*goes to re-read post*
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
It was a poorly phrased post on my part - it didn't even occur to me until later that it could be construed as a personal attack.
Sorry.
-Trevor
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
*has now re-read*
Ah, I thought you were responding to the stupidity of the bra-sizing-system. I had just been talking about it, ya know.
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
quote: I've known women who looked incredible in a white t-shirt and jeans - far much more attractive to me than some of the outfits I've seen in VS.
It's almost like makeup and jewelry - a lot of women would rather die than go out without makeup and some sort of jewelry.
I've always thought that 99% of girls looked far better in something like a T-shirt and jeans or a tank top and jeans than in fancy dresses and with out any makeup or jewlery than with. Maybe I'm just weird. Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Porter says when he first saw me in a dress, he thought I looked great. Then when he saw me after changing into a shirt and jeans, he was like Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I've heard that from other guys, too, Alcon.
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
quote:I've always thought it stems from the focus society puts on outward appearance.
You mean, why a woman would feel sexier wearing VS under her clothes?
No. Women have a deep-seated biological need to feel wanted. A man wants a woman, and a woman wants a man to want her. This basic dynamic may be why society puts focus on appearance. It's pretty chicken or egg. However, whether or not a woman currently is in a relationship, whether or not she is open to being in a relationship, the idea that what she has against her skin would make her very desirable satisfies a small part of her mind that is communicating this need to her. It doesn't have to be seen and/or approved by anyone, just as long as SHE believes it.
In this case, I would strongly argue that it's not about pleasing society's demands for a better appearance, but satisfying a woman's own psychological needs.
edit: Jeans and T-shirts are everyday wear. Develop a relationship for six months. I doubt if you come home to find a black little number you will whine, "But I like you better in the LEVIS!"
[ December 16, 2004, 06:38 PM: Message edited by: Ralphie ]
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
quote: Jeans and T-shirts are everyday wear. Develop a relationship for six months. I doubt if you come home to find a black little number you will whine, "But I like you better in the LEVIS!"
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
My father did with my mother throughout their 20 odd years of marriage.
Then again, my father is an odd duck. Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
It depends on circumstance. A woman who has done some prep to make herself look damn hot sexy fine desirable chose your phrase, and then you go out for pizza... not so good. It feels awkward. However, if you take her out for a fancy dinner on the town, she looks better then she would in jeans and a t-shirt.
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
quote:Jeans and T-shirts are everyday wear. Develop a relationship for six months. I doubt if you come home to find a black little number you will whine, "But I like you better in the LEVIS!"
Watch me. Or better yet, don't.
Did I just say that? No? Thank-goodness!
Hobbes Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
I guess I'm just the jaded product of someone who's been having sex with the same person for over seven years.
But ain't none of it been bad. So, you know, I feel a sense of loyalty to the little black number.
[ December 16, 2004, 06:48 PM: Message edited by: Ralphie ]
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
Ahh. RIght. I come home to find a sig-other in the first little black number, and it lasts, GENEROUSLY, 10 minutes before its lying crumpled on the floor.
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
quote:Jeans and T-shirts are everyday wear. Develop a relationship for six months. I doubt if you come home to find a black little number you will whine, "But I like you better in the LEVIS!"
I actually I think I would say that. I don't find those things attractive at all.
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
quote:Ahh. RIght. I come home to find a sig-other in the first little black number, and it lasts, GENEROUSLY, 10 minutes before its lying crumpled on the floor.
Then it's work here is done.
edit:
quote:I actually I think I would say that. I don't find those things attractive at all.
This has got to be the equivalent to a girl saying, "I don't care what a guy looks like, as long as he has a great sense of humor!" The younger we are, the more likely we end up saying things we think we're suppose to say.
Oh, well. Nothing is 100%. But it's usually a higher percentage than who'll let on about it.
[ December 16, 2004, 07:01 PM: Message edited by: Ralphie ]
Posted by J T Stryker (Member # 6300) on :
quote: I've known women who looked incredible in a white t-shirt and jeans - far much more attractive to me than some of the outfits I've seen in VS.
I have to admit... there is something about cotton panties that i prefer to laced ones...
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
quote:
quote:I actually I think I would say that. I don't find those things attractive at all.
This has got to be the equivalent to a girl saying, "I don't care what a guy looks like, as long as he has a great sense of humor!"
Not really. Cause I do care about looks to some degree. I just don't think fancy, skimpy outfits that are designed to be sexy look attractive at all. I tend to find that simpler is sexier Posted by J T Stryker (Member # 6300) on :
quote: Not really. Cause I do care about looks to some degree. I just don't think fancy, skimpy outfits that are designed to be sexy look attractive at all. I tend to find that simpler is sexier
Alcon correct me if I'm wrong, but you (a self proclaimed asexual) just said that. I mean i thought you believed sex was pointless except for reproductive purposes.
[ December 16, 2004, 07:10 PM: Message edited by: J T Stryker ]
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
For the record, the idea of 'lingerie' is pretty broad. I used the little black number as a very generic example. Like porn, the point of lingerie is 'anything that does it for you'.
Truly, if you think jeans and t-shirts are not only everyday wear but also what you want to rip off a woman's body time and time again, then it has become lingerie for you, not just a nice outfit that looks good on a girl. If you cannot think of a clothing item that you want to repeatedly rip off a girls body, well, you are alien to me and I do not understand you. Therefore, nothing I've said henceforth applies to you.
[ December 16, 2004, 07:10 PM: Message edited by: Ralphie ]
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
Ralphie spends a lot of time thinking about the various articles of clothing she's like to repeatedly rip off a girl's body.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
What do you like to see ripped off a girl's body, Ralphie?
*innocent as all get out look*
[Thou sucketh, Saxon ]
Hobbes
[ December 16, 2004, 07:23 PM: Message edited by: Hobbes ]
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
HA! Beat you to it!
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
Yah, but my edit beat your [self] congratulations post.
Hobbes
[ December 16, 2004, 07:24 PM: Message edited by: Hobbes ]
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
quote: Alcon correct me if I'm wrong, but you (a self proclaimed asexual) just said that. I mean i thought you believed sex was pointless except for reproductive purposes.
Stryker, just because I'd rather not risk sex until I think I can deal with the consequences doesn't mean I'm not attracted to girls. If I wasn't attracted to girls, why would I have a girlfriend?
quote: Truly, if you think jeans and t-shirts are not only everyday wear but also what you want to rip off a woman's body time and time again, then it has become lingerie for you, not just a nice outfit that looks good on a girl. If you cannot think of a clothing item that you want to repeatedly rip off a girls body, well, you are alien to me and I do not understand you. Therefore, nothing I've said henceforth applies to you.
Yep, I guess I'm just alien to you.
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
quote:Yah, but my edit beat your congratulations post.
WHATEVUH.
[ December 16, 2004, 07:26 PM: Message edited by: saxon75 ]
Posted by J T Stryker (Member # 6300) on :
quote: Stryker, just because I'd rather not risk sex until I think I can deal with the consequences doesn't mean I'm not attracted to girls. If I wasn't attracted to girls, why would I have a girlfriend?
your deffinition has changed... or i'm confused... i'm betting it's the latter
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
The latter. Its always the latter
And we seem to have killed the conversation... I'm good at that Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
Alcon, me boy, I believe you find simpler sexier because that is what you have experience with. If I may say, it seems you're equating lingere with porn made flesh. Clearly, it ain't, it's far more personal and imtimate than that; that's the point. But if your only experience with it is from images like Ralphie linked to of course it's going to seem fake and artificial and in no way attractive to you.
*shrug*
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
I like underwear.
There is nothing nicer than going through the day knowing your underwear matches and looks sizzling. Regardless of whether someone else gets to see it.
Dang. I need new underwear.
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
This thread makes me want to go to Victoria's Secret.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Me too.
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
Guys post that they don't want chicks in VS undies, and chicks all want to go and get them some sexy underoos anyway.
If that doesn't prove my original point, I don't know what could. Thank you, and good night.
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
Ok, I'm behaving myself.
-Trevor
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
stryker don't you have a pair of pink cotton panties? maybe you shouldn't say you like them so much. Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
I'm not going to say that I don't like to see a girl in lacy red silk panties. I do. Very much. But there's just something about plain white cotton that beats the lace right off those silk ones. Maybe it's all part of my preference for "regular" girls over supermodel-type girls.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
Kat, that link was really neat. Thanks.
quote:There's something inherently sexy about imagining what a woman might have on under her clothes. It's even sexier when you're the woman, you KNOW what you've got on is wicked hot. It's a mostly harmless, but oh-so-naughty little secret. You get this sort of sharp, archy-eyebrow look in your eyes and a little smirky grin. People notice the twinkle in your eye and the blush in your complexion. You get checked out more. The image in the mirror seems spicier than normal.
Ralphie wins. Whenever I see a panty line (or don't see a panty line) I always wonder.
And I *love* finding out. Love it love it love it. It's always a surprise! Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
quote: There is nothing nicer than going through the day knowing your underwear matches and looks sizzling.
That the panties match the bra or that the underwear is a similar color to the outfit? My sister and I do the latter, and I got a really odd look from my boyfriend when I mentioned it.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
"There is nothing nicer than going through the day knowing your underwear matches and looks sizzling."
It is sad to say, but I feel this way about matching socks.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
quote:I guess I'm just the jaded product of someone who's been having sex with the same person for over seven years.
Now *that's* staying power. How do you two prevent chafing?
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
quote:It is sad to say, but I feel this way about matching socks.
There are things I feel that way about, but matching socks is not one of them. But I don't think it's sad. Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Dibs on talcum powder.
[Ohhhhh ... that kind of chafing.]
[ December 17, 2004, 09:31 AM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
Astroglide?
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
So THAT"S what they mean by the seven year itch!
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
You just really gotta want it.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
quote: I don't find those things attractive at all.
Just for the record, I've heard probably five hundred and fourteen guys say something like this, and every single one of them was, um, inexperienced. I've never once heard an experienced guy say it.
Disclaimer: Inexperience is not a bad thing. It's very good.
Edit to add, because it just occured to me: Inexperienced, yet in a relationship. I'm beginning to see a trend.
[ December 17, 2004, 11:03 AM: Message edited by: PSI Teleport ]
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
Something I was thinking about vis a vis cotton panties vs lingerie, and guys who prefer the former.
One of the things I've learned about the differnces between men and women, is how we react towards sex. Men, we're pretty much ready to go all the time unless we're sick or been awake for 40 consecutive hours, or something. And if we're not REALLY ready to go, all it takes is a good visual image, or a nice groping from our chiquita.
Women need two things in order to want sex. One, they need to be comfortable. Dirty hotel rooms are not a good place to be having sex, because she won't be relaxed and won't be comfortable, and thus, its unlikely she'll really enjoy it. Two, women need to feel sexy. Sex when they are feeling unattractive, or undesirable, won't be that great for them.
Cause, here's the thing. Although men can be ready to go whenever, and women need to be comfortable and feeling fine, men can't have sex without enjoying it, for the most part, while its very easy for a woman to have "bad" sex. So, part of our job, as good lovers, is to make sure that our partner is comfortable, and feeling sexy.
Part of feeling sexy, however, is an entirely internal thing. A lot of women don't want sex during their period, because they feel "icky" and icky is not sexy. That has nothing to do with whether or not you've just told her that she looks smokin today and you want to tear her clothes off... its internal, not external.
A big thing about lingerie, for a lot of women, is that it FEELS sexy. My girlfriend likes wearing sexy lingerie to bed... even when there's no one to wear it for. It makes her feel happy about herself. "Look how damn fine I look! If I were a guy, I'd want to tear this off of me... or perhaps not even bother with that!" For her, its an internal thing. And she KNOWS that its an appearling visual image, so if she wants to initiate sex, without being aggressive, all she has to do is wear something from her "naughty" drawer.
In other words, don't tell your girlfriend that you'd rather see her in cotton panties and a utilitarian bra then her red satin thong and matching front-clasped bra. You'll be attacking her "I'm feeling sexy!" attitude, and it won't help your sexual relationship. While she might appreciate hearing that she's beautiful enough to pull of the cotton panties look and turn you on, when she wants to turn HERSELF on, its less likely she will be able to do so, and that won't help her in the "good sex" department.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
quote:men can't have sex without enjoying it, for the most part, while its very easy for a woman to have "bad" sex.
I've had sex that I didn't particularly enjoy, and I'm a man.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Stop this!
I haven't had anyone trying to tear off my underwear in years, and this thread is making me sad!...
(I know, I know -- if I would quit saying "no", this wouldn't be a problem)
FG
Posted by lem (Member # 6914) on :
quote: One of the things I've learned about the differnces between men and women, is how we react towards sex. Men, we're pretty much ready to go all the time unless we're sick or been awake for 40 consecutive hours, or something.
I kinda think that is a stereotype. I was went to a friends house who had cable and American Pie 2 was on. I never got into that show, but as I walked in, a dad was telling his son the secret of marriage, "The longer you are married, the longer you can go without sex."
I am still young enough to be very interested, and my wife is a major hottie--just my type. Got the personality, energy, and love of life to boot.
Now that we have a baby, and I work in the morning and she works in the evening, we have very little free time. We date at least once a week--of course our last date involved going out to eat at Costco and cloth shopping, but she likes to do that together.
However, after work, always taking care of a baby, doing errands, getting out together, recently, I have been perfectly happy with a hot bath and a good book--or an extra hour of sleep.
*ducks head from all the protesting females with sympathy for my wife*
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
quote: In other words, don't tell your girlfriend that you'd rather see her in cotton panties and a utilitarian bra then her red satin thong and matching front-clasped bra.
This is true, but let me add:
Saying to a woman "I'd rather see you in granny panties" when she's spent all evening trying to look sexy for you can guarantee she'll never try again. However, it's perfectly acceptable to say "I love how you look in cotton panties" when she's already wearing them.
But I bet Paul already knew that. It pretty much is just adding to what he said.
What happened to my font? It's all weird.
edit: "Hoever?"
[ December 17, 2004, 11:57 AM: Message edited by: PSI Teleport ]
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
quote:I've had sex that I didn't particularly enjoy, and I'm a man.
Ditto.
I do agree with Paul about the rest, though. I find it isn't really how much *I* like what she's wearing as it is how much *she* likes what she's wearing. Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
I haven't, all my sex has been great.
Hobbes Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
*bites tongue*
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
*bites tongue REALLY hard*
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
*runs from room*
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
You're supposed to laugh, not bite your tongue.
Last time I try to be edgy.
Hobbes Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Oh, I'm laughing. Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
OK then.
Hobbes Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
quote:
quote:I've had sex that I didn't particularly enjoy, and I'm a man.
Ditto.
Don't answer if this is too personal, guys. And I'm really interested in knowing your experiences, not trying to make an indirect point or anything. Promise!
When you said this, was it regarding sex that you weren't really into and didn't feel good about, or was it physically painful? I was working under the assumption that penile-vaginal intercourse was not physically painful to men, and if I was wrong, I really do need to know this.
But again, if it is too personal, just ignore it or send and email. Thanks for the indulgence.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
No, not physically painful. Just not pleasurable.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Ahhh. A very important thing in its own right, of course. Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Actually, ammend that. The only time I've had an orgasm that was physically painful was when I had one too soon after having a kidney stone removed (with some kind of rotorooter type thing. The stone removal, that is. Not the orgasm ).
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
No. It's not true.
*puts fingers in ears*
LA LA LA LA LA LA!
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Yeah, I can imagine. *wince
I was worried about asking the question at first, because it could be construed as minimizing discomfort which was not physical. Not at all what I wanted to do. But my mind was running through all the scenarios I'd been taught about but not seen (scar tissue that painfully bends erections, etc.) and I realized that I'd never heard of more "standard" pain problems, e.g., chafing issues or the like, at least not unless in the context of open sores (and STDs usually aren't painful, except for herpes sometimes, IIRC).
Being female gives me great insight into, well, being female ( ), not so much into being male. I was worried about a huge chunk of information that I was missing.
Thanks again, Noemon.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Um, I'm a real hoot at dinner parties. Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Um, guys, isn't it possible for a woman to sort of "overdo it" and make things too sensitive and unfun?
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Yes. That's all I'll say on the matter.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
I have been asked not to post about personal things by my husband.
Which is really annoying, because I have something to add to this conversation. Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
ATTN. PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT SARA: THIS MIGHT BE TOO MUCH INFORMATION FOR YOU. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
quote:When you said this, was it regarding sex that you weren't really into and didn't feel good about, or was it physically painful? I was working under the assumption that penile-vaginal intercourse was not physically painful to men, and if I was wrong, I really do need to know this.
I meant the former in my post. There was one time that I experienced physical pain, but that wasn't my fault, it just didn't want to move the way she wanted to move it. I just moved her a little bit and then we carried on.
This is pretty unrelated, but thinking about this stuff reminded me of it. There was also another time, in the middle of some mostly clothed making out, when I experienced a very sharp stabbing pain in my lower abdomen. It was so bad I had to stop everything and curl up into a little ball for a long time. I have no idea what brought that on. It sucked.
You should know by now that no question is too personal for me.
END OF STUFF FOR SARA
PSI, yes, that too is possible. Orgasms are no fun without the buildup. But that sort of thing can be controlled to an extent if you've been doing your Kegels.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Men do Kegels, too?
Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
Sara - Yes, both men and women can suffer from "chaffing issues". Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Twink, I'm not sure I meant what you think I meant. : )
Oh, and my husband learned how to do Kegels in my lamaze class. The teacher was so sneaky...she kept winking at the ladies while she made the men "contract........and release......"
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
I've had it on good authority that kegels are one of the best things one can do to improve one's enjoyment of sex, for both sexes.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
Oh, okay. Now I see what you meant. That also is true. Once things get to that point it pretty much just wants to take its proverbial ball and go home. Well, balls plural in this case.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Ah, thanks to you all.
[EXPLICITNESS WARNING]
One further question -- ludosti, PSI, Dag: I take it you are referring to chafing from stimulation other than penile-vaginal intercourse, yes? Or is that also a fairly common problem for men? (I was aware of the other.)
[ December 17, 2004, 01:35 PM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]
Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
DON'T READ THIS UNLESS YOU WANT TOO MUCH INFORMATION ABOUT MY SEX LIFE!!!
I'm not talking about chaffing from "other things" - I'm talking about having sex so often and/or long over a short period of time that you have to wait a day or two for the parts to recover.
[ December 17, 2004, 01:39 PM: Message edited by: ludosti ]
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Um, yes. [although I wasn't necessarily referring to chafing.]
Also, in the spirit of the thread, I keep reading your last post as "I'm a real hooter..."
Oh, and re: what lusti said...that situation has occured too...generally right after the 6-week-no-sex ban is lifted after a baby is born.
[ December 17, 2004, 01:41 PM: Message edited by: PSI Teleport ]
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
That, too.
Hey, thanks for the update. I'll be sure to [Edit: read up] on this.
[ December 17, 2004, 01:43 PM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]
Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
Sara - On a related note, I wonder if it's possible to develop callusses (sp?) on genital skin?
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Sara: Nice edit. Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Theoretically, sure. I mean, the skin has the same mechanisms for hyperkeratinization (callous formation) as any other skin. Whether it would take a different amount of time, or whether you'd be more likely to blister before callus, I don't know.
[ December 17, 2004, 01:50 PM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
I sure hope Ivygirl isn't reading this thread while at school, like she often does.....
FG
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
Oh, I don't know. Who better to learn this stuff from then hatrackers? Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
I think Farmgirl was reffering to a non-innocuous comment she made about.. umm ... frogs.
Hobbes
[ December 17, 2004, 01:50 PM: Message edited by: Hobbes ]
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Hey, as PSI noted, I did edit judiciously. Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
No, I was just thinking of the people who read over her shoulder at school......
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
This thread makes me smile. I like it. Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
You mean that they may read about the frogs?
Hobbes Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Well, it is accurate information, non-prurient and not salacious. Just explicit. At least it isn't a XXX site.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
I wouldn't want my daughter finding out about frogs online either. Much better in a biology class where the setting is so much more neutral and there's someone responsible to their to answer her questions about ...
umm..
frogs.
Hobbes Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I think information is always good, and it's being discussed here calmly and clinically by adults with senses of humor. People need to learn about sex some way, and this is the best way, I think.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
I disagree. The only place children should learn about frogs in their own backyard pond.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I'm can't anything more horrifying or more unlikely than discussing frogs in my family's house.
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
Yeah right. My question got me held after class while the teacher called me immature. There's actually a whole website now devoted to how the mechanics work. Sometimes the internet is better than school.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
I used to love observing tadpoles in the stagnant water between the rows in the field across the street. I kept notes on their progress, drew pictures.
I'd forgotten that.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Kat: In reality, that's true for me too. My mom tried to talk about frogs and tadpoles and all that stuff and I really just kinda wanted her to shut up.
[ December 17, 2004, 01:58 PM: Message edited by: PSI Teleport ]
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
I don't know Kat, all this talk of frogs has made me hungry.
And PSI, the pond? Really? You aren't from the catskills are you?
[OK, I'm done being out-there-goofy in this thread for a while, you can all return to being mature adults and I'll let you be ]
Hobbes Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
*giggles* We have bullfrogs in the pond behind our complex.
Now I'm never going to look at them the same way.
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
Ok. I am SO confused with this frog thing.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
quote: {L} Lingerie designed by NASA
HAHA! How did I miss this before?
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
"Kegels" - now you can laugh all you want, but I have no idea what that means. Did I tell you that having NO sexual education whatsoever in school (at any level) really, really, but really sucks?! I don't even know if it's something you're supposed to learn there or not... Hurray for the Romanian school system!
Edit: Spacesshifting places...
[ December 17, 2004, 02:12 PM: Message edited by: Corwin ]
Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
Kegels are pelvic muscle exercises (rythmic clenching and unclenching of muscles) that were developed by a Dr. Kegel (originally for women after childbirth). I have only heard them being for women, so the idea that men would do kegels is news to me. Strengthening the muscles involved helps with incontinence and also increases sexual pleasure.
[ December 17, 2004, 02:18 PM: Message edited by: ludosti ]
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
I didn't learn it in school. My mom taught me because of a bladder infection when I was in HS. It's a series of exercises you do. Google it, you should find plenty of info.
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
Kegels are important for pregnant women. They help all kinds of post-delivery complaints. And becuase the muscles are being toned, they make sex more enjoyable.
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
Thanks. Reading the info on the website right now.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Kegels apparently help men go longer before ejaculating, IIRC.
Um, edit: To change "me" to "men".
[ December 17, 2004, 02:21 PM: Message edited by: PSI Teleport ]
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
They're very easy to do, as long as you remember. Hell, as a guy, you can do them while reading this thread.
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
Now I wish I saw the initial post, PSI! And print it! (I'm mean, I know...) Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
But women need a special set of Kegels barbells, a workout suit, and a year's pass to a gym. Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
Yeah, Kegel's allow men to hold back an ejaculation so they last longer during sex.
quote:Sara - On a related note, I wonder if it's possible to develop callouses on genital skin?
There are those that say that, in addition to the loss of nerves and lubrication from the foreskin, the head of the penis develops a layer of protective cells like a callous in men who have been circumcised. This loss of sensation is, apparently, what allows them last longer before ejaculating.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Yay!
I mean...sorry to hear about that, guys.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
quote:Um, guys, isn't it possible for a woman to sort of "overdo it" and make things too sensitive and unfun?
Yeah, PSI, immediately after orgasm the glans is too sensitive for much direct contact to be pleasurable. My understanding is that it's not unlike the clitoris in that respect.
I've thought of a couple other times in which I experienced pain associated with sex. The first time I had sex, after orgasm my stomach hurt in much the same way that it does a few hours after having been kicked in the crotch. Another time, the woman was on top, and kind of came down at the wrong angle, flexing the shaft of my penis in a really unplesant way. And yeah, I can testify to the fact that having sex 6 or 7 times in the space of an evening can result in some soreness afterward. Not from chafing, so much as...well...over-inflation, so to speak. Erections are always painful for a day or two after such a session.
Sara, I'm fairly hard to embarass--you basically don't need to worry about asking me a question that is too personal to be answered in public. Plus, if there is any question about whether or not your motivation for asking is positive, I'm going to generally assume that it is. I trust you pretty implicitly.
quote:I used to love observing tadpoles in the stagnant water between the rows in the field across the street. I kept notes on their progress, drew pictures.
Do you have any idea how much fun we'd have had together, had we know each other as kids? You're really just...I can't even begin to tell you how much I like you!
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
quote: The first time I had sex, after orgasm my stomach hurt in much the same way that it does a few hours after having been kicked in the crotch.
Glad to hear you didn't let that stop you. You're such a trooper! *wipes tear*
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Klutzy sex...
Those of you who know me shouldn't be surprised. I told a very good friend, that the intimacy of sex was really more about laughing together at the crazy things our bodies manage to do together than it is about orgasm.
***EXPLICITNESS WARNING***
There was once when it was quite clearly painful for him. We somehow moved totally out of sync with each other, and I think he hit the top of my pubic bone with his penis just as he was ejaculating. It wasn't actually painful to me, but he was clearly in pain, for quite a while afterwards, he kind of curled up into a ball til the pain subsided. Wasn't much I could do to help him, though I wish I could have. Kissing it to make it better wasn't exactly an option.
AJ
[ December 17, 2004, 02:52 PM: Message edited by: BannaOj ]
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
My most potent memory of a bullfrog is my uncles blowing one up with a rock shot from a slingshot at close range.
I was four.
Where is my childhood?!
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
quote:Glad to hear you didn't let that stop you. You're such a trooper! *wipes tear*
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
All this talk about tadpoles is kind of rocking my boat, as I had figured most of you people grew up in cities.
When I was a kid, I knew all the best places to look for tadpoles in the river by my house. When I was in middle school, though, we had some pretty major flooding, and the county channelized a long stretch of the river. While that was good for drainage, it also meant that all the calm spots by the banks where the tadpoles grew were destroyed. I was sad.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
When I was in middle school, my dad had the pond out in our pasture bulldozed. I loved playing down by it, trying to catch frogs, watching tadpoles and dragon flies, messing around with cattails, wading out and inevitably getting leeches, sliding around on the ice in the winter, etc. I can understand why he had it bulldozed--it was silting up, and was basically just a breeding ground for mosquitos from his perspective, but it was almost physically painful for me when he did it. I remember walking around the scar that was all that remained of it a day or two after he'd done it, and picking up a dirt clod to throw, and seeing that it had a little head poking out of it. It was a tiny juvenile painted turtle. I cleared the hardened mud off of it, and saw that it was fine except for one leg, which looked like it had been crushed half in and half out of the shell. I thought I was going to have to kill to poor thing, but for some reason I took it up to a spigot and washed it off first, and discovered that the leg was really just trapped by mud. I took it back to a creek in the woods and let it go.
[ December 17, 2004, 03:33 PM: Message edited by: Noemon ]
Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
*leers at Farmgirl*
As I do recall, you have pretty goodly rack.
Oh, umm...did I type that out loud?
space opera
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
I used to play in the marsh near my house against my mother's wishes. I brought home ticks and all kinds of foul things. There was this tree that was the only tree in a small clearing that was covered with branches, and I built a little house on one limb. It was low enough and the ground was muddy enough that you could jump out without doing anything more that hurting the arches of your feet.
That's a nice story and all, except that I stole the wood out of a neighbor's yard to build the house, and the neighbor boys eventually tore it down.
The only life was fiddler crab and snails, but those were pretty cool, anyway.
Posted by margarita (Member # 6856) on :
I LOVE the development of this thread.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
"I LOVE the development of this thread."
*BOWS* I'll take full credit for all the posts about painful sex. *Grin*
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
"Development" *snorts*
Posted by Brinestone (Member # 5755) on :
One of the coolest memories I have is of a hike in the desert on large sandstone slabs. It was spring, so it was the rainy season. In every crevice and hollow of the sandstone was a little puddle of water. Some "puddles" were actually small pools, maybe three inches deep and several feet in diameter. Others were at most an inch deep and a foot in diameter. But in nearly every puddle were swarms of tadpoles. Some were further along, growing legs and almost ready to climb out.
It was amazing to think that the frogs that laid the eggs in the puddles somehow "knew" that spring was the time to do it; that there was no water anywhere around, and that these little puddles would be dry in a matter of weeks. The little tadpoles thrived in the puddles and eventually crawled out to repeat the cycle. Isn't nature amazing?
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
What I seem to remember most about my childhood is playing outside, all day, every day, almost all year long. We waded in the creeks and caught tadpoles and salamanders, made minnow traps, and just observed the life there. It was so wonderful.
Also we played in the woods a lot and made forts and treehouses. We learned so much about building stuff, and also about what steps are necessary to keep the racoons from eating the potato chips overnight. (Nothing short of bringing all food in the house overnight could prevent it. Those guys are agile and SMART!)
Also I loved to play in the rain and splash in the puddles. Building dams to make pools of various sizes was also great fun. Can you repair it with mud and sticks faster than it will erode? It's a race against time, with lots of excitement and occasional catastrophic failures. I was only allowed to play outside if it wasn't lightning.
Oh, and the evening when the lightning bugs come out. Playing out there, catching lightning bugs and watching them blink. Letting them crawl up our hands to our fingertips, lift their wings, and fly away. It was glorious.
I think back to all those hours outdoors and that is like a precious solid joy that anchors my whole life. Why do people stay indoors so much? Why do I? That's the thing I think my own nieces missed out on most of all in their childhoods, compared to mine. They had lots more stuff, more toys and games, but I think we had a lot more fun. I don't know. I wouldn't trade it for anything. Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
When I think of all the impressionable young minds who will read this thread and form involuntary, potentially embarrassing associations about frogs... it brings a smile, it really does.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
I used to love going out into this meadow a mile or two into the woods behind my house, and sitting in the big tree in the center of it watching the wind blow the waist high grass, while the lake twinkled in the sun in the distance. There was a white tree on a ridge that I could see from there, and I'd often go off in search of it, but I don't think I ever actually found it. I had all sorts of fun searching for it though. I also liked going to this pond that was in the same general stretch of woods, and climbing up into this fallen tree that was caught in the crotch of another tree, and watching the beavers in the pond building their dam. I built a number of rafts of various designs and poled around that pond. In the winter I liked to go into that meadow I mentined above, completely bundled up, and lie down and just let the snow fall on me. One of the neighborhood dogs was half St. Bernard, though, and he's always try to rescue me after a while. Sometimes he'd lay down on me, and sometimes lick my face until I'd get up. Once he grabbed my pantleg and started dragging me toward home. I loved that dog.
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
We have about 3 acres of woods, protected wetlands, on the property I grew up on. In the winter, the little marshes and ponds would all freeze over, and my brother and I would clear the snow off a patch of them and skate around on the ice. In the summer, those ponds and marshes would mostly dry up and be covered in ferns. We would run around through the woods, carrying buckets of acorns we would collect every fall, and try to find and peg each other with the acorns. Eventually, we built a little wooden platform in one of the trees, so we could look out further across the woods.
We have a big family of deer living back there, now. About 8 at last count. There are also red AND grey fox. When I was 12 or so, I was running around the yard and almost tripped over a baby red fox stalking a mouse. I quickly ran away, and when I turned, I could see the mother fox watching from about 8 feet from where I had almost stepped on the baby. I am not sure what she would have done if I had hurt the baby... I was, even at that age, about 10 times larger then the mother. So I backed off a bit, and watched the baby practice stalking mice for a good hour before it lost patience and ran off.
We also have wild turkey, that occassionally wander through. And, the most recent wildlife spotting, last april, I was looking out the back window during a family gathering, and noticed a strange animal on one of the fallen trees stretching across a small stream. After some examination, and cross referencing with our wildlife guide, we decided it was a Fisher.
On top of the standard new england small wildlife, such as chipmunks, squirrels, racoons, groundhogs, et al, we have a pretty good collection of ground life. FOr a few years, we had a hawk that lived in a tree fairly close to the yard, during the spring. He'd show up for about 3 weeks every april. He must have either moved on or died, because we haven't seen him in 10 years.
Posted by Zotto! (Member # 4689) on :
I live near Crater Hill, which is actually the surviving portion of a volcano that gradually eroded into the ocean on the other side, leaving one end connected to the island and the other submerged in the sea (er...it's kinda hard to explain in writing. Hmph.) It forms a giant cliff face that meets the bay, and while the beach sand covers up most of the lavarock underneath, there are still all sorts of weird rock shapes for water to collect in. Me and my brother used to go down there and play with the tadpoles that somehow ended up in there. I can't recall ever seeing grown-up frogs on the beach, though. How weird.
Which is a drawn-out way of saying "me likey the froggies". Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
OOoooh yeah! I love to see the wildlife. When I was a teenager I used to go back into the woods behind our house and sit on the "resting rock", a large boulder with a nice seatlike depression, and sit perfectly still for hours on end. After about an hour the animals just forget you are there, or decide you aren't a threat. They come out and do their thing. A bird perched an inch from my fingertip once. And another time I saw a mother fox and her litter of kits. That was awesome!
I feed the birds and squirrels and racoons back here and so I get a lot of visitors. Red foxes are some of the most beautiful animals ever! Their coats, all red above and black below, are gorgeous. Sometimes their tails have white tips. I've also looked out and seen a huge wild turkey perching on my deck railing! That was quite a surprise. I've seen coyotes here before too but not lately. We have hawks quite frequently, they are attracted to the other animals who come to feed. No deer here, though. I wish we did. It's too close to town.
Where I used to live, south of town, I had Great Blue Herons wading in the creek at dusk, looking for minnows. They are gorgeous too.
Here we have Pileated Woodpeckers sometimes, but it's been a number of years since I've seen one. I hope they don't go extinct like their cousins the Ivory Billed Woodpeckers. (Some people still have hope for the Ivory Billed, in remote parts of Cuba or even FL or LA swamps.) They are huge and gorgeous birds, and have a distinctive call that's almost like a turkey gobble.
[ December 17, 2004, 05:06 PM: Message edited by: Tatiana ]
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
Now we're up to the ninth page of this? One more reason I love Hatrack.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:I take it you are referring to chafing from stimulation other than penile-vaginal intercourse, yes?
Nope - wasn't referring to a different activity, and wasn't referring to chafing.
Noemon covered the basics of the situation.
Dagonee
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
I spent a fair amount of time, even into my teens, by the ponds near our house. I got pretty good at catching frogs. They liked to sit on the grassy edge sunning themselves. I would circle the pond carefully, and as I approached, each frog would "squeak" and jump into the water. Sometimes I could get them before the jumped, but usually I caught them in the shallow, algae-thick water right by the edge.
One day I found an especially wonderful prize--a garter snake. I tried to take it home. I don't know if it was a defense mechanism or what, but the most horrid smell erupted from that thing! It has to be one of the most foul things I have ever had the misfortune of of experiencing. But if that wasn't enough, the thing then bit me. I put it down after that. Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Did you get the shot? Otherwise you could turn into a weresnake at any time. Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
LOl, I can't count the number of garter snakes I've captured with my dad You find a two pronged stick and then pin it down just behind the head, and then pick up from the same spot. It can't bite you from there, nor can the smelly goo it releases get you either. And the smell isn't really all THAT bad. Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
Weirdest.
Thread.
EVER. Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
This thread needs fewer snakes (shudder) and more bras and panties.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
How 'bout snakeskin bras and panties?
AK, you really are the Goddess of Nature, aren't you?
[ December 18, 2004, 11:43 AM: Message edited by: beverly ]
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
Personally I'm happy talking about reptiles... *was an expert snake, frog, and lizard catcher back in the day... like a year ago *
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
Hrm. Instead of snakeskin, I vote for leopard skin.
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
O-kayyyyy . . . not quite sure how we got from talking about bras and panties to talking about childhood romps in woods. Those are two subjects that I, for one, usually don't associate with each other. Oddly, it kind of feels like trying to steer the conversation back to bras and panties would qualify as a derailment.
So instead, I'll just say that I grew up right across the street from a woodsy, swampy sort of area. But I didn't start exploring it until I was a teenager. As a child, I mostly just stayed indoors, reading or playing video games. My reasoning was, the less time I spent outside, the lower my chances of being crawled on by some vile creature or getting hurt on some sinister natural object like a tree or a rock. I've always had a strong aversion to pain. To this day, I've never climbed a tree because of the fear that I'd fall out. So yeah, it was books and video games for me. What can I say? I'm a child of the '80s. Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Paul just wants to eliminate all the other snakes...er...men.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Sheesh, next thing, this thread is going to turn into a discussion of snake size.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I'm told that every guy measures, at least once in his life.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
I hear that the size of the tank the snake should have similar dimensions to the snake itself, but that it really doesn't matter how big the snake is, in the long run.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I wouldn't know...yet.
[ December 18, 2004, 03:35 PM: Message edited by: mackillian ]
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
quote: AK, you really are the Goddess of Nature, aren't you?
What's funny is that I live smack in the middle of a large metropolitan area of about a million people. I'm in a patch of suburbia that's only about 15 minutes from town. Oddly enough, though, there is a long swath of woodlands that stretches for miles across the top of Red Mountain, of which my wooded backyard forms a part.
I just love the animals, though, so I encourage them to come around by feeding them. I would love to be like Beorn and live surrounded by the animals of various species whom I have befriended.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
T, We have a bobcat who regularly comes in through our cat window. His name is "Bob." (original, eh?)
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Cougars are moving back into the midwest. They expect them to be reestablished on the East coast in a few years.
Dagonee
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Yeah Dag, a mountain lion in rural NE KS nearly killed a dog that I'm friends with a few years ago, and there have been multiple sightings of mountain lions in some of the undeveloped parts of Lawrence, KS. The state continues to deny that they're there, but when you can find their tracks, their scat, see them run across the road in front of your car, and have one maul a neighborhood dog, there is no question that they're there.
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
Generally speaking, states won't say an animal is there until they capture one in the state.
Posted by Avadaru (Member # 3026) on :
After years of not knowing what bra size to wear, I finally broke down and got sized by a lady at Dillard's. She told me I was a 36B, though I still own several 34C and 34B bras that fit me just fine. Do bra sizes vary by manufacturer, as pants and shirts often do? (If this was discussed already I must have missed it...sorry!)
Some of the discussion earlier about sexy lingerie...I can't really explain why wearing sexy underwear gives me a boost of confidence. I know no one is going to see it (for now, at least ), but I still enjoy wearing it. I'm pretty sure my mom thinks I must be having lots of sex, for all the hot undies I bring home to wash. I've tried explaining to her, but she just doesn't seem to get it...
I can relate to a lot of what has been said on here, but...I know too many people who read this forum, so I'm hesitant to post intimate details about my sex life. Thanks to all who HAVE posted, though - it shows me that I'm not alone on certain things that I've never asked anyone about before.
Oh, and I like snakes, too. I've been bitten countless times. I've been a tomboy all my life, and grew up catching snakes, lizards, tadpoles, bugs, etc. Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
" I've tried explaining to her, but she just doesn't seem to get it."
Well, she might get it, but be uncomfortable anyways? I don't know how reasonable or paranoid your mother is, so hard to say.
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
How many dobies has this thread experienced?
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
As of the moment I make this post, there haven't been any dobies of this thread.
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
And there shouldn't be. heh.
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
Bras, common men. Nver a dobie.
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
First of all, I read the first two or three pages of this thread and then said to myself, "Hell, I'll just skip to the end and see all the recent stuff."
I wish I could have had a camera nearby to take photos of the look of such utter profound bewliderment. I haven't been so deeply confused since the time my friend try to explain the concept of cold fusion to me while we were both drunk (not that that made a difference - I still would not have understood).
There are numerous ways to measure bra sizes. For instance, one way that I find works is to have numerous women just go through a box of them trying them on while german techno music pounds through speakers the size of Buicks with lights strobing and everything while I sit in a nearby lawn chair with an airhorn close at hand and drink beer. I believe they do this at some Dillards.
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
quote: I wish I could have had a camera nearby to take photos of the look of such utter profound bewliderment. I haven't been so deeply confused since the time my friend try to explain the concept of cold fusion to me while we were both drunk (not that that made a difference - I still would not have understood).
Oh don't worry. I've been following this thread for almost the entire time and that look has crossed my face several times. This has got to be the crazziest thread I've ever read on any board... and I've read some weird ones.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
dingle.
Posted by celia60 (Member # 2039) on :
Er, to go back a few pages, I wear a 36B quite comfortably. The ladies at VS tell me I measure as a 36C, but the bras that size don't fell at all like they fit. My own tape measure (the one living in my purse), following the measurement steps on the VS site, reads 38C. What the heck?!? Do I have some serious spinal curvature issue or something?
AJ, make me put on a 36C and then confirm to these people that it's just not right.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
quote: not quite sure how we got from talking about bras and panties to talking about childhood romps in woods.
You've never had a "romp" in the woods involving bras and panties? Oh my - you're missing out!
That said -- the mosquitoes can be killers
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
As can burrs, sharp twigs, etc. I recommend a blanket, just for comfort's sake. Of course, the spontaneity of hot-makeout-sex in the woods is part of the appeal, so a blanket may not always be at hand when it occurs.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Man, Noemon.....sometimes you and I think alike so much that it is just......well....hot.
FG
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
I tried once, actually, back in high school. My girlfriend wouldn't go for it. She was a real spoilsport. Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
I've had that problem twice now. heh. first time "ugh there's sticks on the ground."
Second time
"What if someone sees us?"
I need a new plan.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
That's why you let her suggest it.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
When I was dating my wife we hiked to the top of a waterfall in a nearby canyon and we spent hours lying in the sun with our heads hanging over the edge of a large, flat rock, watching the water. It was one of the most blissful times that we've ever spent together, but whenever I call that occasion to remembrance, my wife always mentions the indentations in that flat rock that fit her boobs perfectly.
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
quote:That's why you let her suggest it.
But then nothing will ever happen!
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
Then you're dating the wrong girls Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:I've had that problem twice now. heh. first time "ugh there's sticks on the ground."
There are many ways to make the ground a non-issue.
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
I am aware of that Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Seriously guys, stop making me laugh so hard. Posted by Yozhik (Member # 89) on :
This thread is udderly twisted.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
And of course, you could always gallantly volunteer to be the one on the ground Paul.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
But there's still the problem of rocks and/or twigs where the knees/legs/elbows/arms are - depending on what position you're talking about, of course.
But alas, I'm one of those who would put a damper on this. Not in public for me. No way. Posted by Zotto! (Member # 4689) on :
I honestly can't tell if that was a pun, Yozhik.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Definitely a pun Zotto.
But if you pick the right stretch of woods, quidscribs, it's not really public.
Of course, if the woods are on a hill overlooking a lake, you have to keep in mind that you may be visible from the water.
...not that the guys in the boat seemed to mind the show. First time I ever had my sexual performance physically applauded, I have to say.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
TMI!
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
There's no such thing as TMI.
Noemon, that's awesome. Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
First time?
Besides, people think too much. If you're thinking about the sticks on the ground than you aren't horny enough.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Heh. "Only" might have been a better choice of words.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Dang.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
If the ground is an issue, how about a beautiful tree, with branches from which to suspend oneself?
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Most bark chafes like crazy.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Talcum powder.
*applauds Noemon
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
I haven't ventured into this thread since the first page!
My reactions: Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
In that order, Teshi?
Sara--I'll give you to emoticon version of the response I gave the guys in the boat:
Because really, when you've been caught with your pants down (quite literally) like that, your options are to
A) Freak out B Slink off, horribly embarassed or C) Embrace the situation and run with it.
I went with C. My partner went with B.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
D) Make a deprecating moue.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Whoo hoo! Go Noemon!
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
You know, I've actually never done anything like that out in the REAL wilderness. I was thinking more along the lines of, um, public parks in the heart of downtown.
Or something.
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
"You know, I've actually never done anything like that out in the REAL wilderness."
This would explain why Twinky thinks we're not dating the right women. The two times I have tried have been in real wilderness... that is, places where it actually COUNTS as being outdoors
[ December 21, 2004, 04:20 PM: Message edited by: Paul Goldner ]
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Yellow flowers against bright blue sky -- what's not to love?
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
I'm thinking that boring old public park sex is better than no sex out in the woods.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Some people find the risk of being caught exciting....
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Definately! Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
sure, but I got the sex anyways. Just not in a park. Where it doesn't cout as outdoor sex.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
"C) Embrace the situation and run with it."
Um, Noemon, what does "situation" symbolize?
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
So, for the record, can I assume public hot tub sex also doesn't count as outdoor sex?
*takes notes*
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Only if the tub is in the wilderness.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Hey. All of Tucson is wilderness.
Any time you are in immediate danger of snakebite you are in the wilderness.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Well, Mack, what if the water in the hot tub came from the wilderness?? Huh?
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
This thread is just making my day..... Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
Hot tub sex is very high on my "to do" list.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
I've since heard it's bad for you. You could consider getting your own hot tub, but that takes a bunch of the fun out of it.
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
Yeah, it probably is bad for you. Lots of chemicals in that stuff that could go up the wrong opening.
This weekend I'll be skiing up in maine. The place we are staying has a wood fired, old fashioned, out door hot tub. It will be utilized. Sadly, not for the purpose of making out... unless we meet some hot chicks up there.
Me and my brother keep pushing my dad to get an outdoor hot tub. He has the room for it.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
The biggest problem: Water = liquid sandpaper.
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
This is also true. But not, actually, bad for you, I think?
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Not as far I as know.
Posted by maui babe (Member # 1894) on :
Not a pretty thought.... Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
I love this thread. Posted by EllenM (Member # 5447) on :
Doing it out in the open with the breeze lightly touching your skin. Making the animals wonder what kind of creature is making that noise. Hot tubs with floating body parts. Skinning dipping. Sex is always great where every you maybe. One of my favorite places is the car. Every car you own deserves to have a corresponding sexual memory. The dining room table is great memory material for an intimate wink or nug, especially when you have 20 something children gathered around, who think they are the ones having all the fun.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
quote:Um, Noemon, what does "situation" symbolize?
Well, not sure if it symbolizes anything, but I meant it as a shorthand for kind of coming back to yourself after incredibly hot sex in the woods, only to discover that you have a small audience in a fishing boat cheering, hooting, and clapping.
Hot tub sex always seems like it's going to be a better idea than it ends up being, in my experience. Lubricating fluids get washed away almost immediately, and it's difficult to get the proper traction. Now hot tub foreplay, on the other hand--that's a lot of fun.
By the way, I blew the whistle on myself, asking the mods if I were going to far in this thread and volunteering to edit my posts if so, but I'm taking their silence as a good thing.
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
Hell, at this point I'd settle for sex in a bed. Not much point talking about how you're going to spice up the meat when you don't even have any meat yet. Uh, so to speak.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
There are very many good things to being married, imnsho. Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Man, this thread is amusing. Hitting the topics in order:
I'm suddenly rather self-conscious about my underware
When I was a kid I captured tadpoles and raised them to little froggies, and then let them go again.
Hot tubs = okay, in a meadow in the rain = awesome!!!
Oh, and Noemon, your story is wonderful. I don't have one as good, but I was kissing someone during a long red light once and all of the sudden heard whistles and catcalls. Turned around and there was a car packed with teenage boys behind us. We waved. (And I had my eyes open and was watching the light... would not hold up traffic to kiss.)
Posted by Risuena (Member # 2924) on :
quote: Oh, and Noemon, your story is wonderful. I don't have one as good, but I was kissing someone during a long red light once and all of the sudden heard whistles and catcalls. Turned around and there was a car packed with teenage boys behind us. We waved. (And I had my eyes open and was watching the light... would not hold up traffic to kiss.)
I've been in a car full of teenage girls cheering on the couple kissing in the car in front of us at the red light... They waved and then kissed again, much to our delight...
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
quote:(And I had my eyes open and was watching the light...
OPEN?
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Open. I was driving.
Plus, kissing with your eyes open can be fun.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
Maybe.
Sometimes I peek, but that's as far as I'm willing to go.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
quote: but that's as far as I'm willing to go.
*chants quietly* family board, family board
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
Hmm, I was gonna express my amazement at hatrack having ten pages on discussing boobs, but I guess it has evolved a bit since page one Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
Is this thread PG-13?
Posted by Godric (Member # 4587) on :
The MPAA was going to give Team America an NC-17 rating for puppet sex -- I think this thread might be at least R by now...
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
I was on a tour bus one evening in Paris, back when I was fresh out of high school. We saw a guy propose to his girlfriend underneath the Arc de Triomphe. We cheered him on, though our windows were closed and he was too far away to hear us anyway. She obviously said yes, because when he stood up, they kissed and embraced. Some of the people in our group wanted us all to swarm off the bus and go congratulate him, but fortunately, saner heads prevailed.
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
I have learned so much in this thread. and it went over ten pages (hoping on 11) (all of hatrack) Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Learned so much about sex, breyerchic, or so much about US, your friends?
FG
Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
And now, page 11.
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
some interesting things about sex, lots about you guys, probably one of the most exciting threads, at least that I've started, but all together.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
quote:I'm suddenly rather self-conscious about my underware
But ElJay, you have such lovely source code.
Posted by Avadaru (Member # 3026) on :
Kissing at red lights is great fun - kissing at stopped trains is even better.
And I love kissing with my eyes open. There's something very intense about staring into the eyes of another person while kissing them.
Speaking of accidental peep shows.....once I was kissing this guy in a parking lot at the grocery store before going shopping, and we got fairly involved in the kiss and I guess sort of...forgot? where we were, and when we let go of eachother about 10 minutes later, we noticed a man sitting in the truck across from us, staring intently...so intently, and with such an...expression...on his face that we thought he might have been doing more than staring Horrified, we quickly drove to the other end of the parking lot and did our shopping, hoping not to run into the man in the store. Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
quote:But ElJay, you have such lovely source code.
BWAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!
Aavardu, that's a good story. Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Avadaru: EW!!!! (not you, but the truck guy)
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
twink, you laughing 'cause you disagree?
Aavardu, that is a fabulous story. And, icky!!!!
[ December 22, 2004, 04:38 PM: Message edited by: ElJay ]
Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
If I were gonna do another Dobie, could this be the Everpresent Breast Thread?
Posted by dragonfoss (Member # 7155) on :
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
quote: twink, you laughing 'cause you disagree?
ELJay, what are you saying...that twink should know?
[ December 23, 2004, 06:55 PM: Message edited by: Kwea ]
Posted by babager (Member # 6700) on :
Ok this might have already been posted 'cause I skipped pages 6-11, but does anyone remember the musical Bette Midler's character was in, in Beaches? The over the shoulder boulder holder Posted by Theca (Member # 1629) on :
I've been thinking about that song since page one!
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
I almost bumped this thread the other day, Victoria Secret's semi-annual sale starts monday in stores and has already started online. I can't wait to pick up another bra or two.
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
*bump*
Someone in my mom’s office told her about a woman who runs a bra consulting business and bra boutique. Since I needed a bra that would work with my wedding dress, and since I’ve complained about finding bras that fit right, Mom made me an appointment.
Wow.
The consultation took 45 minutes, and included a mini-lecture on the anatomy of the breast and the proper engineering of bras. Plus an evaluation of the bra I was wearing – no support, no shaping, just smooshes you down – and comments on irreversible damage and what my breasts were going to look like in 15 years if I didn’t start treating them right (not a pleasant picture.)
One thing that I found interesting is that cup size is actually based on the width of the breast, not volume. So when some of my bra cups had empty space in them and I interpreted that as needing a smaller cup size, what was actually happening is that I was spilling out the sides instead of filling the cups because the cup size was too small. She put me in a bigger cup size and it fits smoothly. So I got a new “regular” bra as well as a strapless long-line thing for under the wedding dress.
Then we got back to the house (where Bob was working) and Mom wanted me to show off my new look. You could almost see Bob’s cognitive dissonance – “Dana’s mother is inviting me to comment on the appearance of her breasts.” Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Yes to the width thing. That was always my problem.
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
Good on you, Dana. A good bra is worth it's weight in gold. Including the weight of the stuff that fills it.
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
quote: a bra consulting business and bra boutique
From what you're describing, I think I need to find one of these! I have such a hard time finding a comfortable bra that also provides support.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Was she like, a Cameo dealer? I went to a bra consultation once with one of their reps, and it was the absolute best thing I ever did. I learned so much! Of course, I couldn't afford the Cameo bras for long, but they were great.
FG
Posted by Brinestone (Member # 5755) on :
Yeah, I found the same thing to be true, Dana. I finally found a bra in my real size, which is two cup sizes bigger than what I'd been wearing. Strangely enough, not only does the bigger bra fit, I look . . . er . . . more voluptuous in it, even though I never felt particularly smooshed in the smaller bra. Go figure.
Now that I have one bra that fits, I find out Victoria's Secret (where I bought it on clearance) no longer sells my size in stores. Dang!
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
Farmgirl, she has her own company and stocks bras from several designers. Most of them weren’t outrageously expensive either – even the wedding one was only $55.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
bra-sizer Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
Is she a chain? does she have online site?
I know women who might be interested in seeing some of this stuff. Share your resources ladies
And no, I didn't mean it like that! shame on you for thinking that was a double entendre! shame!
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
That bra-sizer didn't work for me.
Posted by xnera (Member # 187) on :
quote:One thing that I found interesting is that cup size is actually based on the width of the breast, not volume. So when some of my bra cups had empty space in them and I interpreted that as needing a smaller cup size, what was actually happening is that I was spilling out the sides instead of filling the cups because the cup size was too small.
Huh.
No, really. Huh. Because I think that might be my problem. Though I really don't like the idea of being any bigger than the size I am currently wearing, but if it means being comfortable, I am all for it.
There's got to be a good bra shop in downtown Chicago, right? I need to remember to google for it when I get home. I don't trust myself to buy the right size anymore, because the last few times I went bra shopping I bought ones that felt comfortable in the store but became nightmarishly small once I got them home.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
It didn't load, Maureen? Or it just can't calculate that high? Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Yeah. That's it. I entered a 28 and a 31. It gave me 32 ? as the response.
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
No website, no chain. But here is an article that quotes her.
The calculator didn't give the right size for me, either.
Interestingly, everything I've ever read about sizing says to take the cup measurement around "the fullest part of the breast." Either that doesn't mean what I think it means, or the lady who fitted me disagrees -- she measured about two inches above where she would have gotten the largest measurement.
Edit: but those numbers don't work in the calculator either, so she obviously has her own system.
[ January 18, 2005, 03:46 PM: Message edited by: dkw ]
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
quote: For 33 years, Judy Anderson, owner of Bravo Bras, has been giving breasts something to smile about.
That's interesting.
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
*looks down*
How do you tell if they're smiling?
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
*answers own question*
or
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[ January 18, 2005, 03:59 PM: Message edited by: dkw ]
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
>.<
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Maybe you should take a break, Porter.
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
"How do you tell if they're smiling?"
Umm, as a guy, thats always seemed obvious to me. *grin*
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
It looks like it. That was my third >.< of the day.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
That's a rather ambiguous sign, Paul. They do the same thing when they're scared or angry.
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
Yeah, but then you don't normally get the other, auditory, indicators.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
You know, for a brief second I had this image of them releasing steam like a tea kettle.
Don't ever. Ever. Put pictures like that in my head again.
Posted by Amka (Member # 690) on :
What about fluxuating bra sizes?
Posted by Amka (Member # 690) on :
Or if you've just peed or you are cold...
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
You know, Porter, for someone who is so easily squicked, you sure do read a lot of threads about things that squick you. Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
It's like a train wreck.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
I think from now on I'll call you "train wreck tater".
Well probably not, no.
Hobbes Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
"You know, for a brief second I had this image of them releasing steam like a tea kettle.
Don't ever. Ever. Put pictures like that in my head again."
Its not MY fault you get weird visuals. Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:I think from now on I'll call you "train wreck tater".
Well probably not, no.
And just when I thought I'd finally get a cool nickname. Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
Or "twt" for short.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Let's just go ahead and make it twit.
For efficiency's sake.
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
Dana didn't tell you all how the new lingerie affects her posture and breathing...
It was all very funny sitting around the future in-laws living room discussing the science of bras and breasts (largest excretory gland in the body!)
Apparently this woman is a savant.
Fortunately, she told Dana that the damage she's done so far by wearing the wrong bra is reversible. I'm looking forward to helping with the physical therapy.
[ January 18, 2005, 07:26 PM: Message edited by: Bob_Scopatz ]
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
*snort*
Physical therapy for the next few months is going to consist of backrubs while my muscles get used to this "better posture" idea.
Sitting up straight is work.
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
<gives backrub>
I can't hardly feel the strap!
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
quote:Fortunately, she told Dana that the damage she's done so far by wearing the wrong bra is reversible. I'm looking forward to helping with the physical therapy.
Bob!!
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
"Apparently this woman is a savant."
Bob, are you saying she is a bra seer?
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
Zing!
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
I want breast reduction surgery.
There. I've said it.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I want shoulder reduction surgery.
There. I've said that.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
I want... oh, wait. I'm already a waif. How about "muscle expansion surgery?"
...also known, I suppose, as "exercise." Incidentally, how fit do I need to be to do a three-day hike (New Zealand's Milford Track) and live?
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:I want... oh, wait. I'm already a waif. How about "muscle expansion surgery?"
I understand that men can get breast implants that make it look like your pectorals are bigger.
For that matter, I guess girls could get that also.
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
Depends on how strenuous the hike is and what you're carrying. My brother did a 12 day appalachian hike with 2/3 of his body weight on his back when he was 11, about 9 miles a day, without any special training. But he was also 11 with all the energy and springiness that implies.
As long as you don't get winded too easily, and can handle the distribution of wieght, you should be fine, unless the hike involves some serious ascents.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
I think I would just look weird like that. Even when I'm fit and relatively strong, I don't gain any weight. It's quite bizarre.
Edit: Thanks, Paul.
[ January 18, 2005, 11:16 PM: Message edited by: twinky ]
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
There was a woman on American Idol last night who had the largest breasts i have ever seen. Honest, it must be hard for her to stand up straight.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Liz - is she shown in any of these photos? I noticed there were a couple of them that looked like they might fit your description Especially one thin black woman near the end of this slide show.
I miss American Idol last night because I totally forgot it was coming on. Guess I will have to catch up next week.
FG
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
You know, I saw those "American Idol or Bust" shirts, and thought of something else...
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
That wouldn't exactly be the most difficult choice I've ever had to make.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Exactly! Posted by whiskysunrise (Member # 6819) on :
Idol is on tonight too. I remember the lady with the huge breasts. I was surprised at all the moving she was doing. My first thought was that she wasn't wearing a bra, but I didn't want to look close enough to see if I was right.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
My son did not beieve that those were her breasts. He thought, in all seriousness, that she had put pillows under her shirt. Ad she sure was shakin!
No worries, Farmgirl, I think it is on for a couple of nights.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
My boss says she was singing Rolling on the River -- which I can just bust a gut laughing imagining her doing that while rockin' those babies back and forth!
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Marshell Fields has a promotion going on at select stores where if you go in for a fitting you get a free bra.
Naturally, I thought of this thread...
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Hrmpf!
No Marshall Field's stores anywhere around were I live. So I guess this offer doesn't do me any good.
FG
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Sorry FG. It actually doesn't do me any good, either, because it's at specified stores at specified times, all of which are during my work hours and none of which are the store that's three blocks from where I work.
Oh, unless I was going to skip the henna party for a bra fitting. Don't think so.
Posted by dread pirate romany (Member # 6869) on :
Now see, if every one left the henna party for a bra fitting, it could be a female bonding experience.
Posted by Lady Jane (Member # 7249) on :
This thread makes me want to go shopping.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Sigh.
I wish I could find bras in my size in this country. But alas, they do not exist.
So. I'm up for a female bonding experience. $4000 for a bra, anyone? Anyone? (including airfare and hotels)
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
For 4 grand, it would have to include matching underware.
Posted by KrabbyPatty (Member # 7055) on :
Anyone remember this little ditty? "What did Unde wear, boys? What did Unde wear?" - to the tune of "What did Dela wear?" of course.
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
No, but I remember, "Five days later, floatin' down the Delaware, chewin' on her underwear, wished she had another pair . . ." Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Posted by Goody Scrivener (Member # 6742) on :
quote:Marshell Fields has a promotion going on at select stores where if you go in for a fitting you get a free bra.
Naturally, I thought of this thread...
Actually, I'd like info on this...I couldn't find anything on Field's site, I work a couple blocks from State Street and could fairly easily slip out of work to go... and hey it's free!
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Hmmmm. I saw it in a newspaper ad. It just listed the times and dates here in town, it might be that they're just doing it here, or it might be they're only doing one city at a time.
Also, it wasn't like you got to pick your own free bra for going in for a fitting, it was a promotion for a particular type of bra, and it wasn't one that I wear. So while if it had been nearby at a good time I probably would have gone anyway, I wasn't going to go too far out of my way for it, which I might have if it was a brand/style I knew and liked.
Sorry I can't be more helpful...
[ February 13, 2005, 01:11 PM: Message edited by: ElJay ]
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Ha! I can make one, after all, even though it's not at the close store! Claudi & I are going shopping and to dinner after work Thursday, and will attempt to get fittings and free bras. I wonder if you have to make an appointment...?
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
quote: at the close store
I never thought I'd catch YOU with a typo!
Edit: oh nevermind! I thought you meant "clothes" store -- but you meant at the store that was geographically CLOSE. I got it now.
[ February 15, 2005, 12:32 PM: Message edited by: Farmgirl ]
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
You kidding? I typo all the time. I can't spell worth a hill of beans and I don't use a spellcheck except for really long serious posts that I type elsewhere. I usually fix 'em pretty quick, though.
But yeah, that one wasn't. Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
I just went shopping for a strapless bra, so this needs to bump back up.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
What needs to bump back up?
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
Ya know Liz, I just wasn't brave enough to ask.
-Trevor
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
just a question, is it safe to use a push-up bra when your breast are perhaps not fully developed?
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
you two are mean, I have perky boobs!
alt, I have no clue, I've never really needed a push up, though my prom dress sort of did that.
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
Ok Breyer - with all the respect I can muster.
I fancy myself a reasonably mature man, notice empashis on reasonably, but even so at no point will I ever be able to hold a meaningful or intelligent conversation that involves the word boobs.
Unless we're talking politics.
-Trevor
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
I need a strapless push-up for my dress, I heard someone mention somehting about it, but I'm not entirely sure if I should. I don't really think it would harm me or anything, but I'd just rather be on the safe side.
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
You mean safe as in "no lasting damage on a developing body?"
I can't imagine a pushup bra would leave any lasting damage if worn for the night. Long term use may see some sort of meaningful impact, but even that's debatable.
-Trevor
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Wearing it once isn't going to hurt you. Just don't make a habit of it. And make sure it fits right, or you'll be uncomfortable all night.
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
This is the only site I'm going to post because the key words used in this search make me feel like a dirty, dirty old man.
-Trevor
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
Ok, I don't think I'll make a habbit of it, I'll try wearing it sparingly. But I don't think I'll just wear it for prom.
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
I have to say that sight is so much better than many american ones with the same purpose.
Trevor, you aren't a dirty old man, you're helping teen girls become intelligent confident young women.
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
Heh, I appreciate the thought Breyer, but I don't think even I could talk fast enough to explain to my boss why I had that site loaded on my screen.
-Trevor
Posted by Cow-Eating Man (Member # 4491) on :
So, has anyone tried out the new IPEX bra VS is pushing? Any idea what makes it so patentable?
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
A History of Breast Enhancement, Told in Patent Drawings is available today on Slate.com. My personal favorite is the sheet metal push-up bra from the 1890s. I'm just going to go out on a limb and guess that it wasn't someone who would ever have to actually wear one of these things that designed it.
[Edit--okay, so I can't link directly to the javascript applet that is the slideshow itself. There is a link to it in the article though.]
[ April 12, 2005, 03:33 PM: Message edited by: Noemon ]
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
I've been planning to go try on the Ipex bra this weekend just to see what I think, but since it's like $15 more than the one I normally buy, I don't think I'll buy it unless it somehoe makes me look like a different person.
Posted by Aunty Eem (Member # 7743) on :
Wow! 4 mnths is a long time to talk about mugguppies--- What did I get myself involved with.LOL Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
Alt -- couldn't you sew cups into your dress? Or does it not have a lining?
Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
I have to buy more bras; I'm down to 2 and they're both in very sorry shape. Sometimes I feel like I'm singlehandedly putting Omar the Tentmaker's 17 children through college Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
I need to get some more too. Hey Stray, wanna go shopping? Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
I'm in.
What? Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
I'd go, but uhh fugu, I think you'd be easily bored, you just get to sit outside dressing rooms and hold purses.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Try shopping for bras in a country where the average woman is a size -4 and you're . . . much larger than that. I have no idea if I'm even going to be able to find bras that fit here. The concept of anything over a C cup seems to be lost. . .
Posted by Brinestone (Member # 5755) on :
Grrr! VS has discontinued my bra size in stores, and I just don't feel comfortable buying a bra online 'cause it's one of those things you want to fit perfectly. Gap Body sometimes has my size, I discovered, but sometimes not. Everywhere else I've looked (except online) does not sell my size. I don't think I'm that strange size-wise. How many women can't find a decent-fitting bra in stores?
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
quote: Try shopping for bras in a country where the average woman is a size -4 and you're . . . much larger than that. I have no idea if I'm even going to be able to find bras that fit here. The concept of anything over a C cup seems to be lost. . .
Try the reverse!
EDIT: "Oh, sorry, we don't stock that size anymore."
Um. Excuse me?
[ April 12, 2005, 08:27 PM: Message edited by: Teshi ]
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
*reminisces* My baby brother used to be my shopping buddy. He was a world champion at bored purse-holding.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
*peeks into thread*
Shopping? We're going shopping? How come we haven't had a girl-shopping-outing-Con, anyway?
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Hey! Guys can like shopping too!
*going shopping for all sorts of clothing, mainly to go with his new business suit, tomorrow*
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
Sure, guys can like shopping. But going underwear shopping with a girl usually means you are not shopping, you are waiting.
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
Unless, of course, you're planning on buying something for yourself. In that case, by all means, enjoy yourself.
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
I went shopping the other day and a 12DD was too small for me.
Not accross the back, just the cups.
Will they *ever* stop growing?
(And no, I'm not pregnant.)
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Um, when I was at the store the other day, I noticed the bras were labelled in that way - 14D. How does that translate to North American 32Ds and such?
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
It was my impression ElJay was advocating a more generalized shopping trip, though I could be wrong.
And 'sides, most places that sell women's underwear one can buy other things in the vicinity, if not the same store.
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
Quid - the cup size is exactly the same.
The back size is just labelled differently. So a 12DD = 34DD.
Here is a chart with all the different labelling.
Posted by Allegra (Member # 6773) on :
I recently found that built in bras work for me. They used to never have enough support, but now that I am 2 cup sizes down I don't seem to have that issue. It is nice to not have to wear underwires, but it is also would be nice to actually have breasts.
Posted by lucy hummer (Member # 7740) on :
but fugu, Eljay hadn't posted that by the time you said you wanted to go shopping, it was raia and stray.
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
ooooh, shopping trip!
Meanwhile, I've finally found an underwire bra that I can wear without wanting to remove and burn it halfway through the day. It's pricey, but I think it might be worth it.
Edited to add: No boys allowed at bra-shopping! *thwacks fugu*
[ April 13, 2005, 10:57 AM: Message edited by: Megan ]
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
We should totally have a shop-con. I'm in. Put me on the list right now.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Where are we going shopping? NYC? Mall of America?
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I'll be in NYC in October, but I haven't been to Mall of America since I was a teenager.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I haven't been to NYC in over 8 years, and have never been to MoA.
Posted by lucy hummer (Member # 7740) on :
Megan, i know exactly what you mean, I haven't wanted to burn an underwire in a few months now, that's an improvement.
A shopping con would be tons of fun, maybe just a clump gathering locally though would be easier (lately i've actually been thinking about logistics of things) so if megan, stray, raia, allegra, blacwolve, and others wanna go shopping sometime, that'd be awesome.
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
I'd love it!
At the risk of sounding dumb, I'm assuming you're in the Bloomington clump, lucy? Even more embarassing, are you someone I've actually met? Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Mall of America is 5 minutes from my house. Just sayin'.
I do need to go bra shopping, too... I've got a fabulous new dress that is cut kinda odd, and none of my current bras really work with it.
Posted by Lucky4 (Member # 1420) on :
I hate shopping, and I hate bras. Bra shopping is about my most hated activity, right up there with being chased by a pack of rabid dogs.
I say, instead of getting together and buying bras and supporting the machine, we Hatrack women get together and stage a large scale protest against bras. Jatraqueras Against Bras Unite!
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
Yeah, and you should all totally burn them! And then we Hatrack men can get together and have WatchingTheJatraquerasTakeOffTheirBrasAndBurnThemCon! Woooo! Power to the people! Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
I hate, loathe, and despise shopping for clothing of any kind. I dislike shopping in general, but clothes shopping is by far the worst. I have no choice but to buy bras online, as no lingerie shops within a 100-mile radius (at least) have my size. And yes, buying them online sucks--it took more than a year of trial and error before I figured out what my size really was (because the sizing charts lie, usually).
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
Sorry megan, when I posted earlier I was at school, but I actually knew that password and needed to reply to something so used it.
Oh I did go to Victoria Secret today and try on the Ipex, it was different, but I couldn't tell exactly what was so special, it fit, and was about $10 more than my normal bra which I love. So needless to say, I didn't buy one today, though it did feel more comfortable and make me look very perky. Posted by Ophelia (Member # 653) on :
*High fives Abby*
Bras suck.
Posted by Stan the man (Member # 6249) on :
<---Remembers the time he got dragged into a Victoria's Secret by his friend Jenny.
<---Remembers he was glad when they left and went to Sears to look at power tools.
To add on to the first: It is impossible to stop a 5'4" blonde with blue eyes from doing what she wants. I was forced into that place I tell you!
Posted by Allegra (Member # 6773) on :
Stan-Does the same apply to a 5'11" blond with blue eyes? Because if it does I have wasted far too much time being diplomatic.
I would love a shopping con! I think we should do it in Chicago. Still close, but many more options. We could do it sometime in the last couple weeks of June.
Posted by Stan the man (Member # 6249) on :
That just happened to be her height. Now, her and I are old friends, to be nice about it.
edited to add: Mind you, she forced me in there back when we were in high school. Ok, so she dragged me in there and I hardly put up a fight.
[ April 13, 2005, 08:51 PM: Message edited by: Stan the man ]
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Imogen, thank you for that link.
I swear, though, that the D I saw in the store looked more like a training bra than anything else. Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
Sarah/breyer/lucy: Ah, that makes sense.
Edited to add: I'd protest the bra, if I could. Unfortunately, it's a necessary evil for me.
[ April 13, 2005, 10:14 PM: Message edited by: Megan ]
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
I love that I now have three names.
I'd get rid of bras too, but I really can't, so I just go for comfortable ones, and not when possible.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
I went shopping over lunch, and noticed a bra with a huge sticker on the front proclaiming "HIDDEN POCKET."
My initial response was "Great! A place to slide your key and some mad money, so you don't have to lug around a purse when you're out dancing and don't have any pockets! What a neat idea!" I figure women have been sticking things in their bras for long enough it's about time someone made one with a pocket for it.
Then I got closer and read the fine print... "Use with Silicon, Water, Foam, or Air pads."
Oh. Well what fun is that? *sigh*
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
This thread still exists?
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
threads don't go off the board for years unless their owner deletes them, plus this one has staying power with support and everything.
It's not going anywhere, no sagging allowed.
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
Actually Eljay, if you had the inclination - that wouldn't be a bad product line.
-Trevor
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
I don't know... keys in my bra?
*ouch*!
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
*grins* It occured to me that there were specific things women could carry in such a pocket - ID, a credit card, a few cash bills, things like that.
Articles carried would have to be smallish and thin - coins, keys and so on would obviously be out.
-Trevor
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
I'm just thinking of the barperson's face when I start to respond to the question "Do you have any ID on you?"
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
*grins* Maybe I just frequent some tame bars...
-Trevor
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
quote:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (And I had my eyes open and was watching the light... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
OPEN?
Really twinky? Having your eyes open while kissing seems strange? I'd say that my eyes are as likely to be open as closed when I'm kissing.
Years ago Christine and I were taking a class together, and one of our classmates was trying to freak her out by talking about subjects he thought were taboo, hoping for a fluttering handed, flustered response from her. Everything he was saying was almost laughably tame though. I remember that his ace in the hole was asking Christine if she looked into her partner's eyes while having sex. She freaked him out pretty badly by telling him that it depended on the position. It was pretty funny to see him express exactly the flustered response he'd been hoping to elicit from her.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Great story, Noemon.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
quote:Having your eyes open while kissing seems strange?
Reviewing the thread, were we?
When I'm kissing someone, and I mean really kissing her, I'm so focused on the her lips and tongue and body that having my eyes open for most or all of the time would be information overload.
I had a lot more here originally, but I guess I should save that stuff for Sakeriver.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Yep. When I read Papa Moose asking somebody to be less explicit I started trying to remember which thread it had been in that the conversation had warbled between the clinical, the ribald, and stories about childhoods spent in the woods, and wondering whether this kind of thing would continue to be allowed to be on this forum. This really is a great thread, you know? It's one that I consider almost archetypally Hatrackian.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
The things I didn't say are here, in response to celia's request here.
[ April 15, 2005, 11:50 PM: Message edited by: twinky ]
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
Don't DO that to me, twink!
Thanks for the details though. Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
*innocent
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
^Liar.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
Like you would know. Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
He always looks up and to his right when he's lying.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
Incidentally, are you coming this weekend?
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Hey, I read the rest of this thread, twink. One way or another, you sure look like a liar to me.
Besides, you've protested being called innocent far too many times for me to let that one pass by.
[ April 16, 2005, 11:33 AM: Message edited by: ElJay ]
Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
Not so much this weekend. I've still got a lot of work to do and my finals are clustered in before Wednesday.
Edit: Assuming you're talking to me and not ElJay
[ April 16, 2005, 11:47 AM: Message edited by: Bob the Lawyer ]
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
I meant, are you coming to Hatrack.ca?
Edit: And also, that would be my left.
[ April 16, 2005, 12:03 PM: Message edited by: twinky ]
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Good, 'cause if it had been directed at me I was gonna say, that was an awfully personal question!
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
::was thinking the same thing::
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
Pfft. If you give the timestamps and sequence of posts even a cursory once-over, it's obvious that I'm talking to Dan. What's not so obvious is that I actually meant *next* weekend. You people just like to read innuendo into posts where none actually exists, that's all. Minds in the gutter, the lot of you.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
That's amusing, coming from you, Twinky.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
Clearly my deadpan is just too good for you.
(Yes, I'm quite aware of the irony inherent in those last couple of sentences.)
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
I realised it was supposed to be deliberately ironic. Then I thought, 'oh, what the heck', and posted it anyway.
I suppose I could have worded it in a more deliberately funny fashion but there you have it. I am no great wit.
EDIT: I must practice more.
[ April 16, 2005, 05:28 PM: Message edited by: Teshi ]
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
We out-deadpanned each other!
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
It's a miracle! Ring the bells!
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
Ignore that. I've been studying medieval history all afternoon. My brain is starting to retaliate.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
quote: I do need to go bra shopping, too... I've got a fabulous new dress that is cut kinda odd, and none of my current bras really work with it.
So, I found a bra that would work with said dress. It's more constructed than I normally like, but whatever, it's an awesome dress, I'll deal with it. But the bra had little gel-filled push-up pads in it, and that was just too much. I don't believe in false advertising. When I was taking the tags off the bra I took the pads out and dropped them beside my printer.
And since then I've found myself a couple of times playing with them like stress-balls or something. It's really kinda odd. 'Cause they're fun! But then I realize what they are. *laugh* Plus, I'm scared if I play with them enough one will burst, and then I'll have ookey clear gel all over. Maybe I'll just toss 'em now to remove temptation.
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
El - that is the most inherently wrong thing I've ever heard you say.
-Trevor
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Which part? For future reference.
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
quote: And since then I've found myself a couple of times playing with them like stress-balls or something. It's really kinda odd. 'Cause they're fun! But then I realize what they are. *laugh* Plus, I'm scared if I play with them enough one will burst, and then I'll have ookey clear gel all over.
-Trevor
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
*laugh* Okay.
I don't see why, but whatever.
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
I'm just picturing the look on a hypothetical boyfriend's face if he read what you posted.
-Trevor
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Then it's a good thing I'm not trolling Hatrack for hypothetical boyfriends, isn't it?
Besides, I still don't get it. Is it 'cause I think they're fun to play with? Or the concern about them bursting? Or something else entirely?
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
O.o
I'm pretty sure I get it...
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Waaaaait a minute. Is it 'cause I didn't specify in the second paragraph that I was talking about the little gel-filled pad thingies? *looks suspicious* I think that was pretty obvious. 'Sides, if anything else burst, I don't think it would be a clear gel I'd have to be concerned about. Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
*grins and shrugs*
S'all good - I was probably the only guy who read it, whimpered and crossed his legs.
-Trevor
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
I think I may have officially learned better than to ask for clarification from you, T.
But probably not.
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
Yeah, that's not how I read it at all. Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
In general, when it comes to Trevor, if you don't get it right off, it's safer to not ask for clarification. Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
That's the way I interpreted it O.o.
Hm. My halo must be getting rusty.
Posted by Pixie (Member # 4043) on :
I don't think you're alone in taking out those little pads ElJay. For me I don't think it's so much that it's false advertising, though, as that I'm thin but have to where size C-cup bras now and the padding just makes me look ridiculously disproportionate. I finally figured out what size I was in four different brands and then the silly things decided to grow on me .
That and this burning of the bras sounds excellent. Although perhaps instead of burning the bras themselves we can just burn all the different sizing charts and force them to standardize them. And include more sizes, especially on the smaller and larger ends, and also half-way cup sizes. I actually really like my bras and wouldn't part with most of them for anything, but the shopping I could deal without - you try on 2 different sizes of 5 different bras (plus a few others just to see if the style's alright) only to find out that the only one that fits is the one you really didn't like all that much to begin with.
Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
quote:Maybe I'll just toss 'em now to remove temptation.
That's the part that made me whimper.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
quote:So, I found a bra that would work with said dress. It's more constructed than I normally like, but whatever, it's an awesome dress, I'll deal with it. But the bra had little gel-filled push-up pads in it, and that was just too much. I don't believe in false advertising. When I was taking the tags off the bra I took the pads out and dropped them beside my printer.
And since then I've found myself a couple of times playing with them like stress-balls or something. It's really kinda odd. 'Cause they're fun! But then I realize what they are. *laugh* Plus, I'm scared if I play with them enough one will burst, and then I'll have ookey clear gel all over. Maybe I'll just toss 'em now to remove temptation.
Am I the only guy who didn't have problems with this post? I'm with ElJay on this one, I would totally play with them too.
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
I didn't have a problem with it. They're squishy little bags; how could you not play with them? I certainly didn't read any innuendo into it. I didn't even know what on earth he was talking about until he clarified; that's why I reacted with such surprise.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
I saw the somewhat amusing innuendo and thought it was an apt use of the bags. Best of both worlds.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Just so we're all on the same page, here. Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
Don't those squishy bags have velcro or something fuzzy to hold them in place?
I can imagine that it would be difficult to sit still otherwise.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Nope, there's a little fabric pocket inside the bra cup, they slide in there.
Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
But we couldn't expect those little fabric pockets to hold anything whilst the wearer is operating a jackhammer, could we?
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Here I go having my hopes up...then I click on the link to be disappointed.....
Guess what...we weren't on the same page after all.
[ May 01, 2005, 11:23 PM: Message edited by: Kwea ]
Posted by Goody Scrivener (Member # 6742) on :
They forgot the German bra.... Hotzemfromfloppen
Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
Heck, I've played football where a breast implant in place of the ball (those things are hard to catch, by the way, once you take the foam cover off). I can totally see why she'd play with them.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Oh, I missed that, skillery. Really, I can't imagine who would be wearing a push-up bra while operating a jackhammer, but whatever trips your trigger.
And Bob! Funny!
[ May 05, 2005, 04:40 PM: Message edited by: ElJay ]
Posted by alluvion (Member # 7462) on :
oh my...
*shakes head and wanders off to peruse*
Posted by porcelain girl (Member # 1080) on :
a couple weeks ago i walked into victoria's secret for some desperately needed new underwear. i tried on several different bras to no avail. (my weight and therefore breast/ribcage size and shape has fluctuated drastically over the past couple years). i went to talk to my girlfriend who was waiting in line to pay in the center island in the store and asked an employee standing close at hand if she had a specific size in the style i had most liked. she did not, and then i asked her if she could fit me since i really wasn't sure of my measurments anymore. i was wearing a bra, a camisole slip, a dress, and a jacket. she says "no problem" and whipped her pink measuring tape around my tits without asking me to go to the fitting rooms or to remove my jacket and starts calling out my measurements and adjusting the tape against my chest as everyone in line including one very intrigued gentlemen turns around to watch. i raised my eyebrows at him and asked how i looked and he sheepishly turned back around.
the employee then gave me totally bogus bra sizes that would never make a bit of sense on my breasts.
and so my raggedy bra remains...
Posted by alluvion (Member # 7462) on :
oh dear!
Someone needs to write a poem inspired by measuring tapes. I think it would yield a lot of good. (not by linear unit, mind you, or cubic volume, but simply by.... )
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
Out of curiosity, did anyone here ever consider surgery to reduce their breasts size ? I'm not talking about esthetics but about back problems and other physical problems that can result from big breasts.
[ May 26, 2005, 09:04 AM: Message edited by: Anna ]
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
You betcha. Started considering it at 15 or 16 (DD then). Still considering. The major reason why I didn't, other than sheer laziness, was that after breast reduction surgery, there's a 50% chance of not being able to breast feed, and even though I didn't think I'd ever get married, yadayadayadayada.
Still thinking about it. Haven't reached any firm conclusions.
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
I heard that the chances to be able to breat feed after the surgery is better now (improving technics).
[ May 26, 2005, 08:58 AM: Message edited by: Anna ]
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Jenni is seriously considering it, and she will probably have the surgury in a few years. She was in a car accident a few years ago (when we were just dating.... ), and has back problems bevcause of it, so her insurance will probably cover it.
Kwea
Posted by Beanny (Member # 7109) on :
Question: when you have breast implants, you put in silicon. When you reduce the breast size, what do you take out? Fat? Tissue?
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Usually it is fatty tissue.
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
A little fat, a part of your mammal gland and skin too, obviously (I even heard that you could give it to people who have been badly burned).
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
If I'm too curious, tell me, but why does Jenny want to wait?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I have considered it, and I know that it is now sometimes possible to breastfeed after breast reduction surgery -- but the odds are too high against it. That is not something I would risk giving up.
Also, if I were able to successfully lose more weight, it would be less of an issue and any surgery would be less of a risk. So that's first.
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
I've slowly been losing weight since I started college, but my bra size hasn't changed (DDD). It's still porportional to the rest of my body, though, and I'm not having any back problems, so I don't think it's in the future for me.
Posted by Goody Scrivener (Member # 6742) on :
A coworker recently had it done because of the back pain she was having. She's really happy with the results. Of course, she's beyond the breastfeeding concern as her kids are teenagers.
I wish there was a way to transfer some of my body mass north about 6-8 inches...
Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
I had to go bra shopping last week. The lady told me that I could no longer play in the land of thin bra straps and only 2 hooks. As if that isn't bad enough, I'm a freak. She measured me to be a 32D. As we all know, there's little chance of findin' *that* one anywhere. So, I've ventured into the land of the thicker straps and multiple hooks of a 34D. If it weren't for the pregnancy I just wouldn't wear a bra at all.
space opera
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
I've thought about breast reduction, never totally seriously, but as a "ok so I could just get these cut off and I'd be totally ok!"
A family friend of mine had the surgery as a high school (I think, could have been college, but I don't think so) graduation present, she was a 32DDD at 17. She did breastfeed her daughter, the surgery was probably almost 10 years ago, and Ama Rae is 5 this week.
Oh and just for the sake of the thread, the Victoria Secret Semi Annual sale starts soon, it's online now.
Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
Well, I went in and got measured a couple weekends ago, when one of the department stores was running their annual bra sales. As I suspected, the lady said I should probably wear a 40B or 42B (both of which are really hard to find), but I did find a 38C and 40C that fit ok. I think I probably tried on 40 bras that day....
Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
Space Opera: Try here, looks like they have a pretty big selection of 32Ds (way more variety than they ever have in MY size ). There's also a general "bra resource" page for women who need small band sizes with large cup sizes, but it seems to be down at the moment: here.
Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
Why don't they make large band sizes with small cup sizes too? Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
I wonder if anyone does sample analysis of good bra size measurements. Given just the number of people here who purchase off-size bras, a store that more intelligently structures its inventory and takes a little time to educate people would likely do quite well.
Of course, it seems to me that far too many (large) stores fail to do basic statistical analyses of the demand for various sizes, and instead just stock a certain number of each of a relatively common range of sizes per item, not taking into account the likely demand for somewhat rarer sizes.
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
Fugu, this is what you should do for a living, now go, do it! I wouldn't be surprised if your friends were willing to give you their bra sizes for research.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
*snort*
I actually think at various points I've heard most of those of my IRL friends, though I forget many of the details.
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
I don't think I've ever told you my bra size *thinks* but it is in this thread somewhere. Most of us would and do say it quite freely.
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
Actually, it sounds like this would be a pretty good mail-order business or small business.
-Trevor
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Part of the trick would be pricing, a lot of the complaints about hard to find sizes seem to go hand in hand with complaints about the prices of specialty places.
Another would be fitting issues -- part of the issue with a mail-order business would be a way of making sure people got bras they were comfortable in, for which the size itself doesn't seem to be completely reliable even for someone knowing her correct size.
There's likely a pretty decent market, though, my distinct impression is that women who have a hard time finding fitting bras choose not to own many bras at all.
Posted by Brinestone (Member # 5755) on :
Yeah, the measurement system sounds like it would work, but in reality, it isn't all that helpful.
Like, measurement tells me I'm a cup size larger than trying on real bras tells me I am (32B). And I've tried on many a 32B that didn't fit at all. So I would NEVER order a bra without trying it on first, because chances are good it wouldn't fit, even if it was my size.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Honestly, the measurement system sounds like its just sort of what happened. I'm pretty convinced there are likely better ways to measure bras.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Jenni and I want to have children, that is part of it. She would prefer to nurse. Also, there is the time lost from work, and the fact that she has to be health before they operate.
She types for a living, so even minor discomfort in a seated position with her hands in front of her would cause her a problem at work.
To be honest, part of it is that she hates hospitals as well...
And the part 2 years or so have been very busy, with the wedding and all.
Kwea
Posted by Goody Scrivener (Member # 6742) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kwea: She types for a living, so even minor discomfort in a seated position with her hands in front of her would cause her a problem at work.
My coworker (we're legal secretaries) took 3 weeks off after her reduction for exactly that reason. She was originally only going to take one, her doctor told her no less than two, and when she tried to come back after two discovered that it was still difficult to bring her hands together close enough for the keyboard without pain. Just something for Jenni to keep in mind when the time comes.
Posted by romanylass (Member # 6306) on :
I have thought about it too,but since there is always the chance that I *could* have another baby to nurse (which would either require elective surgery on someone elses part, or someone elses willingness to adopt) ...but even if that never happens, I am too sentimental about the stretch marks and sagging ( my badges of honor, you know) to change that.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Ya know. I'm now extremely thankful I'm a 35 B. I can wear either 34B or 36B bras, without any difficulty, and it's a really standard size.
AJ
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I talked to Jenni, and she said that the new insurance her job switched to won't cover it now, either. I still think that she could fight for it and win, particularily with her back problems, but in conjunction with all the other reasons it just isn't worth it.
At least not for now.
Kwea
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
I'm sad that breyerchic removed her first post. I don't remember what it said anymore, and if it was funny... *sniff*
And I'm resurrecting this due to memories. Memories... Memories... *warbles*
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
Random question: when did get bras get to be so, um, round?... I watched some '70s movies recently, and realized that in them women's breasts looked, um, soft and actually breastlike. So when did bras get to be so round and bulletproof and aerodynamic??
(Sometime in the '80s I'm assuming, I avoid most '80s movies and that's why I probably didn't notice when it happened...)
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
I think a lot of bras look pointy. And give you coneboob. Which is kind of weird looking.
-pH
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
I've promised myself that when I graduate from college I'm getting a reduction. I'm also past breast feeding stages so that's not an issue.
I have one relative and one good friend who did it and both say their only regret is not doing it ten years earlier. I've lost weight (over 45 pounds now in a year) and my bra size hasn't changed, so I don't think losing more weight is going to do it. I do have back issues, and bra straps cut large grooves in my shoulder. I'm tired of it.
My friend has the same insurance I do (our husbands are both firemen for the same department, so I mean it's the exact same plan) and she was a cup size smaller than me and they paid for everything so I'm pretty sure I'll be covered too.
I can't afford to miss school, though, since I'm going year round until I'm done so I'll wait until after I graduate, then do it in the summer before I (hopefully) start my new teaching job.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
quote: I've lost weight (over 45 pounds now in a year) and my bra size hasn't changed
I hear you there, Belle. I also lost quite a bit of weight, and was really hoping that it would come off the top, too. But it didn't. In fact, the more I lose, the more I think all tops make me look like a cow now (it seems to become more apparent as I lose weight off the rest of me). Went in for a new bra fitting the other day and still take a 42 DD.
I'm sure some women would love to have large breasts. (Kind of like straight/curly hair - you always want what you don't have). However, I'm really sick of them. (probably because there is no longer anyone around to even enjoy them as a playground)
FG
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
I love the way mine float in the swimming pool. They bob to the surface in a delightful way, like my own personal floatation devices.
If only they would ride so high on dry land.
Alas!
Posted by MandyM (Member # 8375) on :
Tante
I just went to Nordstroms recently for a bra fitting and they told me I had been wearing the wrong size bra all this time. $100 later I have the right bras and they are wonderful (and they are riding high!) but it sucks not being able to buy cheaper off-the-rack bras. Gone on my days of shopping for undergarments at Gap Body. I am a 36 DDD.
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
...bras lift us up where we belong...
[/An Officer and a Gentleman]
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
Someday I am going to get an actual fitting.
Plaid: I tend to agree with pH on this one. I prefer round bras to pointy "breastlike" ones. Mine ARE round, so round is actually fairly breastlike for me.
Posted by MandyM (Member # 8375) on :
The fitting at Nordstrom was lovely. I highly recommend it. This is the bra I ended up with. They were having a sale that week so I got 2 of them for just under $100. It is a smooth padded underwire bra that has amazing lift and separation and I have none of the, um, cold weather issues discussed in the other bra thread. What I love best about them is I have less back fat. I am not fat really but I could stand to lose about 10 pounds and the pras I was wearing before made it seem like all that weight was in back rolls. Yuck! An interesting note, this is Oprah's bra.
Posted by MandyM (Member # 8375) on :
Why is it they always show women with less than huge boobs in bra ads like these. I mean this bra comes in 44G! Why do they have a 32C modeling it? My bigger chest looks way better in that bra than she does so this is really a bra made more for those who have a larger load to carry.
[ October 11, 2006, 04:48 PM: Message edited by: MandyM ]
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
Creepy. At least it wasn't bumped by a teenage boy.
I've been fitted at Pennies and Victoria Secret, both said 38DD. Yuck.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Creepy? I'm creepy? The thread being bumped was creepy? Me not being a teenage boy is creepy?
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
quote:Originally posted by Megan: Someday I am going to get an actual fitting.
Plaid: I tend to agree with pH on this one. I prefer round bras to pointy "breastlike" ones. Mine ARE round, so round is actually fairly breastlike for me.
Yeah, mine are pretty roundish, as well. And when I took off the weight I gained in Chicago, they stayed the same size. And maybe even grew a little. Which is SPECTACULAR because I used to be not so blessed.
Unfortunately, VS doesn't have much in the 32C department, and they gave me a credit card, so I shop there more often than department stores. So it's a 34B for me. It doesn't make TOO much difference with most bras, unless I'm trying to jack them up to my chin.
Thing is, bra sizing is weird, and I would've kept wearing an A cup if I hadn't asked someone at VS what was wrong with my bras. See, the band size was definitely too big. I thought that meant the cup size was too big as well, but an A cup in the 34 size was much, much too small.
Buying underwear shouldn't be guesswork. It's gotta be way tougher for people with more boobage like you, quid.
-pH
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by plaid: Random question: when did get bras get to be so, um, round?... I watched some '70s movies recently, and realized that in them women's breasts looked, um, soft and actually breastlike. So when did bras get to be so round and bulletproof and aerodynamic??
(Sometime in the '80s I'm assuming, I avoid most '80s movies and that's why I probably didn't notice when it happened...)
I blame Madonna.
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
42 frikkin' F.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
I gave up on bras back in the mid eighties, but then I don't have much to lift up or sag down.
Posted by Uprooted (Member # 8353) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka: I blame Madonna.
When I think of Madonna and breasts, I think of scary pointy cones and not roundness at all!
I suspect that perhaps plaid was referring to round in the "unmoving perfectly shaped fake boobs" sense vs. sort of naturally soft and floppy, rather than round vs. pointy (50s bra look). (rivka, that was not addressed to you but to other posters above, because I figure you probably were responding to "bulletproof and aerodynamic" as opposed to "round"!)
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Uprooted: I figure you probably were responding to "bulletproof and aerodynamic" as opposed to "round"!
Yeppers. And just to the generally "not real" look.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
Rabbit, I'm seriously considering doing so as well. It's more comfortable to go without, and I wear mostly loose T-shirts, so modesty isn't much of an issue. Have you had any problems with the whole not-wearing-a-bra thing?
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
Nope, No problems at all, but I should emphasize that I have very small breasts. One reason I stopped wearing a bra was because I had trouble finding bras that were small enough. I've got a bit more now than I had 20 years ago, but still not enough to be a problem. I do own a couple of sports bras that I wear sometimes when I'm cycling or running, but even then I usually go without unless I'm at a particularly sensitive part of my hormonal cycle.
I haven't had any modest issues, it just isn't obvious on my body. Most people are surprised to find out I don't a bra.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
You can run without a bra? Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Yeah, my thoughts, too. Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
quote:Originally posted by Uprooted:
quote:Originally posted by rivka: I blame Madonna.
When I think of Madonna and breasts, I think of scary pointy cones and not roundness at all!
I suspect that perhaps plaid was referring to round in the "unmoving perfectly shaped fake boobs" sense vs. sort of naturally soft and floppy, rather than round vs. pointy (50s bra look). (rivka, that was not addressed to you but to other posters above, because I figure you probably were responding to "bulletproof and aerodynamic" as opposed to "round"!)
Woo! Yeah, that's what I meant, much more articulately put, thanks Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
Run, jump, jog up and down stairs, do martial arts...
Posted by dawnmaria (Member # 4142) on :
I am so upset. Not 1, but 2 of my underwire bras died today! Late last night, my Hubby said he'd stoppped the dryer because it was making a weird metallic noise. So I am thinking great we need a new dryer as well as the washer that I can only use on delicate now! Well I fish ou tmy dry clothed this morning and lo and behold one of my bras let out it's underwire and it is lodges in the screen like backing of the dryer! I can't fix it have to wait for Hubby! Then while on my errands today, I go to get Leslie out of her car seat and pop goes one more bra! I am now down to 2! I hate shopping for bras! I am not an easy size and going with a 2 year old will not be fun! I hope Leslie has an average chest like my Hubby's side of the family! She already looks like me more now and I am afraid she's got my baseball bat legs, so it doesn't look good for my little girl!
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
I don't think you are supposed to put your bras in the dryer. I either hand wash and air dry them, or I put them in the washing machine in one of those little mesh lingerie bags, and air dry them.
I once had the metal hooks at the back of the bra set off the metal detector at the airport. My bra required a good patting down by security. Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
quote: I don't think you are supposed to put your bras in the dryer.
Really? I always have -- with no problems.
edit: I always "hook" them first (as if they were fastened on me) so they are less likely to hook onto other things in the dryer.
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
I will SOMETIMES with CERTAIN bras wash them in the washer, but I never put them in the dryer. The dryer eats them.
-pH
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shigosei: Run, jump, jog up and down stairs, do martial arts...
Yup. Every now and then I have a day when my breasts get tender and I need to put on a sports bra to do those things, but those days are very rare. It used to bother me to be so flat chested but the older I get, the more I appreciate it.
Posted by DaisyMae (Member # 9722) on :
Hmm. Just taking this opportunity to let y'all know, since the thread came up, that I'm having a reduction very soon. Little scared, very excited. No more DDDoh!
Posted by Uprooted (Member # 8353) on :
Thank you for this thread! As a direct result of reading this yesterday, I got over my "I can do it better myself" attitude and went and got fitted for a bra.
I went in wearing a 36D. I came out wearing a 34G. And what a difference--I've had a nagging pain between my shoulder blades for ages now (comes and goes) that I had pretty much decided must be due to bad bra fitting, and sure enough--the pain was gone almost immediately.
I'm not going to say that the thing is comfortable. The underwire digs into my ribs when I'm sitting; she told me to wear it no looser, though, or the band will ride up. I don't know if comfort is really possible with large breasts. DaisyMae, I wish you all the best and can totally understand the motivation.
The sports bra, though . . . man, that is a total miracle. Cotton and totally supportive. No movement. I've never had that in a bra that didn't choke me. No, I take that back--I've never had it, period. Unfortunately, I wouldn't be able to wear the sports bra under a nice blouse, or else forget the underwire contraption! I didn't buy the sports bra yet because they were $55 each and I could only afford one.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
DaisyMae, I hope it all goes well and you wind up a comfortable size.
Uprooted, I have, in the past, been able to find bras to fit that were comfortable. I hope I'll be able to make bras that are comfortable. I think it's possible, but I think it also requires a very close to perfect fit.
About the sports bra you're talking about - is it underwire as well? I ask because I'm going to be making my own bras and I'm looking for design ideas. If you've found one that's comfortable and cottong, I'm curious about it. Posted by Uprooted (Member # 8353) on :
Here's the sports bra--not underwire but most wonderful:
Do you guys think it'd be useful for me to get a sports bra? I've just been using a regular bra that I bought a size too small. Does it help? I don't get much pain in the chest. I do get stress in between my shoulderblades, but I'm too small for my breasts to be causing that, I think.
-pH
Posted by Uprooted (Member # 8353) on :
pH, I would at least go and try on some sports bras. They are usually designed to compress your breasts into your chest somewhat, so I think they would make a difference even in small-busted women. Could the stress between the shoulderblades be from the too-small bra? That's pretty much how I would describe the discomfort I was feeling that led me to finally go get fitted.
Posted by dawnmaria (Member # 4142) on :
I never knew about not drying the bra in the dryer until today when my mother asked me why I had a bra in the dryer. I've been doing that since I've been doing my own laundry, but now I know better! And the good news is that my Hubby can fix the dryer with a $50 part! The underwire caught the something or other and shorted it out and fused to it. I don't break anything halfway! Oh no! We fuse metal in this house!
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Uprooted, thanks for the link. That looks like a really decent design. I might see if I can do something like that. It would be nice to have at least one cotton bra without underwire to wear on occasion (I get heat rash under my boobies, and when it's itchy, the underwires... oh, the underwires...)
pH, I don't know. I've read that even men can get jogger's nipple, for example, but that isn't what you're describing. I have no idea. I guess you could get a sports bra and find out. Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
They didn't have any sports bras in my size.
I've been wearing a 36AA to work out, even though I'm a 34B/32C. But tonight, I finally found a normal 32C bra, so I'm just going to use that for everyday wear for the next day or two and see how it feels. I know changing from 36A to 34B made a pretty big difference.
Unfortunately, VS doesn't make many bras in 32C.
-pH
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
Dispose of those old bras responsibly!
quote:Teen in flying bra crash is charged with littering By JOE VARDON BLADE STAFF WRITER
Emily Davis, 17, of Bowling Green was charged in county juvenile court with one count of littering for putting her bra on the antenna of a car traveling north on I-75 in Middleton Township on Sept. 26 with three other teenage girls inside.
The bra, which reportedly had been frayed because it was chewed by Miss Davis' dog earlier in the day, flew off the antenna. The Ohio Highway Patrol said a trailing car with two Toledo men inside swerved into the grassy median to avoid the object, flipping over several times.
I really hate shopping for bras and I really get annoyed with the stuff that goes in them a good amount the time.
Problem is, as outgoing, conversation-starting I am with a gazillion topics, I have a really hard time when it comes to bras. I went to Victoria's Secret once but really didn't feel like I got any help. I'm (i think) a 34DD and for some reason the attendant loved the bras that pushed 'em up and made them look even bigger and suggested to me that those were the ones I should walk away with. Horrible experience, really, since I just like to make them look normal instead of like monsters coming out of my chest.
A good number of my bras (got 4 from an aunt one year and they've been the best ever. fit comfortably with no excess jiggling or cleavage...) are coming to the end of their time of usefulness. Guess I'm going to have to suck up my self-conscious insecurities, take some advice from this thread and let someone help me find what I need.
To think that what goes in them can be so useful but so annoying at the same time...
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
GAH! I'm telling you, if I was a 34DD, those things would be jacked up to my chin every single day. *LOL* You have no idea how much I enjoy the fact that I can finally KIND OF make cleavage.
But that's interesting...whenever I go to Victoria's Secret, if I want a push-up, they always steer me more toward the push-up without padding, which is a more subtle look.
-pH
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
cmc, do you know the make and model of the bras you love? If you do, see if you can find more of the exact same ones. Barring that, at least try to find more by the same manufacturer. Finding bras that work that well are, well, wonderful!
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
Good point, quidscribis. I'm going to ask my Aunt. No clue why I hadn't thought of this earlier. Thank You.
(why do i have to ask my aunt and not just look at the tag? cause i rip them out. oh, to be a c ;p )
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Tags wear out and lose their ability to impart information over time anyway.
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
I went bra shopping this week. Go measured and fitted and everything.
The verdict?
40-Gee.
Posted by MandyM (Member # 8375) on :
I was an F while I was pregnant. My boobs were failures!
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
I order some bras from Just My Size. I would not recommend them.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
I am having a love affair with Volage, and I think I'll be able to pick up some new ones at the start of November.
*dreams
Good bras make for happy women.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
I was just discussing bras with my husband (i.e., why I usually don't wear them.)
Our conclusion? Camisole styles with built-in bras might be good for me-- if they weren't hard to use with garments.
(Once I'm not nursing or pregnant, that is. If that isn't, like, 40 years from now. )
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
so much suspended by a red brassiere soaked with night sweat beneath the white t-shirt
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
quote:Originally posted by Noemon: so much suspended by a red brassiere soaked with night sweat beneath the white t-shirt
to Noemon Carlos Williams
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Too bad UBB makes it difficult to get the spacing right. Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
True. I didn't even try.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
I thought it was excellent, too.
(I considered "lovely" and "enchanting," but each seemed oddly appropriate/inappropriate, so I'll stick with "excellent." *smile)
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
CT's link was to a site I hadn't see before. Which had brands I hadn't seen before.
So I ordered a couple. Now I have a bra that is considerably more comfortable than the ones I usually wear . . . but I think not nearly as flattering. Posted by DaisyMae (Member # 9722) on :
Six days and counting until I get my breast reduction surgery. I have finally reached my pre-pregnancy weight of 135, so I feel good about going into the surgery at a healthy, fit, weight. The girls didn't really get any smaller during my weight loss.
So I'm nervous and excited. I have a 3 year old and a 1 one year old, but my husband is taking three weeks off (which is great since he's been out of town for three) to help, seeing as how I'm not allowed to lift anything over 5 lbs for quite a while.
My concern now, which I haven't given much thought to before, is that I have only ever shopped for big-boob bras. I have no idea what to look for now that I don't have to worry about minimizers and wide straps and all that. So what are the best bras for people in the B-C cup range. Any faves? Particularly ones that are smooth? Underwire/not underwire?
Hopes and prayers for a uncomplicated surgery on by behalf and I'll keep y'all updated.
Posted by DaisyMae (Member # 9722) on :
Six days and counting until I get my breast reduction surgery. I have finally reached my pre-pregnancy weight of 135, so I feel good about going into the surgery at a healthy, fit, weight. The girls didn't really get any smaller during my weight loss.
So I'm nervous and excited. I have a 3 year old and a 1 one year old, but my husband is taking three weeks off (which is great since he's been out of town for three) to help, seeing as how I'm not allowed to lift anything over 5 lbs for quite a while.
My concern now, which I haven't given much thought to before, is that I have only ever shopped for big-boob bras. I have no idea what to look for now that I don't have to worry about minimizers and wide straps and all that. So what are the best bras for people in the B-C cup range. Any faves? Particularly ones that are smooth? Underwire/not underwire?
Hopes and prayers for a uncomplicated surgery on by behalf and I'll keep y'all updated.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
GOOD LUCK!
Hope the surgery and recovery both go smoothly.
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
I just think it is adorable that you make pairs of posting in the bra thread.
Oh, and good luck with the surgery.
Posted by DaisyMae (Member # 9722) on :
Um.. yeah. It was intentional. I was.. uh.. trying to be funny. Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
Good luck!
Back when I was a b/c, I just had *fun* bra shopping - underwire, not underwire, lace, demi-cups, cotton, sheer - the world is your oyster! Or some other mollusc that enjoys wearing bras.
Posted by Uprooted (Member # 8353) on :
quid, you mentioned that you liked the look of the sports bra I linked to above (Oct. 12 post). Since I finally actually bought it and have worn it a while, I thought I'd point something out that is a bit annoying about it. There is a very thick, wide elastic band at the bottom. And it rolls after being worn for a while.
It isn't bad enough to stop me from wearing it; it's still probably the best fitting sports bra I've had. But I thought I'd mention that if you are still thinking of making one like it.
Did you ever buy your underwires and stuff when you were in Dubai?
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Uprooted, thanks. I hate elastics that roll. Hate hate hate hate hate hate hate.
I've found bra elastic here, though, that looks to me to be thick enough that it wouldn't roll. It's used for industrial strength bra straps and the like. Probably 2 mm thick, if you can translate that to something familiar.
Didn't get underwires or anything bra related in Dubai. Not enough time. Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
What is this thread about? Bras? There need to be Man-Bras... like in Seinfeld.
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
So in other news, my E cups are now snug.
I haven't put on any weight. In fact I've lost 2.5 kg. But they still grow!
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
You've got wonder boobs!
Posted by DaisyMae (Member # 9722) on :
I used to have wonder boobs. I wondered what the heck was wrong with me that they just kept getting bigger!
7 weeks out of surgery - I went from DDD to B and for all of you wishing you could be bigger I will tell you the grass is MUCH greener on this side.
On the downside, bra shopping has got me perplexed. I thought I would be able to just buy whatever looked cute, but I'm so radically different that I've had to change my thinking in what I'm actually looking for in a bra. Still looking for a true winner. (And looking for time to search for the true winner when I don't have my little children nipping about.)
Posted by lem (Member # 6914) on :
It had to be mentioned here. Posted by porcelain girl (Member # 1080) on :
i'm a big fan of champion's sport's bras. really comfortable, lots of support, looks nice in a sports bra sort of way.
i don't know what style it is, but it came in red and yellow, and it's got two layers of awesome stretchy fabric. i got it at target super cheap.
they've got a million styles on their website.
Posted by Euripides (Member # 9315) on :
*pokes head in*
*stops*
*sneakily makes a Peter Griffin exit*
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Well, I finally did it. I finished sewing my bra today.
I used my old perfectly fitting bra as my pattern, which is both good and bad. Good because it was a perfectly fitting bra, and my new bra fits perfectly. Bad because it was made with flimsly materials, and I didn't get enough of the heavy duty elastic, for example, because on the flimsy bra, it only needed a little bit for the strap, whereas I really needed the heavy duty elastic along the band as well. In other words, while I made improvements on the construction, I didn't improve enough.
Well, I'll do better on my next one. Meanwhile, it's comfortable, and I have a reasonable amoung of lift, and the girls are separated at the sternum by the properly resting-on-the-breastbone underwire. Seriously, a very good fit. And not just a little bit comfortable, but really really comfortable.
Oh, and I took a bunch of false starts on stitching, so lookswise, it ain't nuthin' to brag about. But at least I've made one. Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
...and I knocked it into a new page...
(Get it? Knocked... Er, never mind...)
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
I think it is amazing and admirable that you are resourceful enough to make your own, quidscribis, to overcome the lack of availability where you are living. Myself, I would never have attempted it because I would be certain I would fail. You have my awe and respect.
FG
Posted by Uprooted (Member # 8353) on :
Hooray for quid! Wanna come make me a swimsuit?
I actually just bought a camisole with a bra inside at the lingerie shop where I was fitted. It looks like a tankini top and the materials will work for swimming. However, it did not have matching bottoms. The salesgirl told me that other women have bought that top and found bottoms at target. Hah. I tried Target, Kohl's, and Lands' End, which all sell swimwear separates, and let me tell you, that top I bought is definitely last year's colors. No one has bottoms in colors to match. It's a floral with a light yellowish green that's somewhere in the celery/lime range, and some reds I'd describe as boysenberry or burgundy. Those colors are not in the stores right now. I am trying to decide between returning the top and buying black bottoms. I think it will be the latter, because I really don't have much hope of finding a better-fitting swim top elsewhere. I hate buying online for that kind of thing because I'm totally lazy about returning things via the mail, and fit is so iffy.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Awe, Farmgirl, that's so sweet. Thank you. *blushes*
It's really not that hard. I mean, I goofed plenty, but it was all fixable, and so it doesn't look great, but the functionality is there, so I don't care. It took a total of about four hours, what with all the seam ripping and figuring out what to do as I went. It's not complicated, honest. I procrastinated for so long because I thought it was going to be worse than it was.
Uprooted - If you saw it, you wouldn't be so anxious. *laughs*
If it's that difficult for you to find tops that fit, I'd probably do exactly what you suggested - get black bottoms. Sucks that you can't find a better match, though.
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