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Posted by ginette (Member # 852) on :
 
Dearest creature in creation
Study English pronunciation
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse, and worse

Made has not the sound of bade
Say - said, pay - paid, laid, but plaid
Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as vague and ague
But be careful how you speak
Say break and stead, but bleak an streak

This phonetic labyrinth
Gives moss, gross, brook, brooch, ninth and plinth
Billet does not rhyme with ballet
Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet
Blood and flood are not like food
Nor is mould like should and would
Banquet is not nearly parquet
Which is said to rhyme with 'darky'

And your pronunciation is OK
When you correctly say croquet
Rounded, wounded, grieve and sieve
Friend and fiend, alive and live
We say hallowed, but allowed
People, leopard, towed but vowed

Soul but foul, haunt but aunt
Font, front, wont, want, grand, and grant
Shoes, goes, does. Now first say finger
And ten singer, ginger, linger
Real, zeal, mauve, gauze and gauge
Marriage, foliage, mirage and age

Query does not rhyme with very
Nor does fury sound like bury
Reefer does not rhyme with deafer
Feoffer does, and zephyr, heifer

Pronunciation - think of Psyche!
Is a paling stout and spiky?
Won't it make you lose your wits
Writing 'groats' and saying groats?
It's a dark abyss or tunnel
Strewn with stones, like rowlock, gunwale
Islington and Isle of Wight
Housewife, verdict and indict!

Don't you think so, reader, rather,
Saying, lather, bather, father?
Finally, which rhymes with enough:
Though, through, plough, cough, hough, or tough?
Hiccough has the sound of cup...
My advice is - give it up!

This is a poem written in 1870 by a Dutch fellow called Gijsbert Trenité. He made it for a book about English pronunciation.

[Smile] [Wink] [Smile]

[ December 19, 2004, 10:38 AM: Message edited by: ginette ]
 
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
Forget phonetics, get into phonology~!
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
[ROFL] [ROFL]
 
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
That's the beginning. You then have semantycs (misspelt?) and morphology!
 
Posted by Risuena (Member # 2924) on :
 
I've been looking for that poem off and on for ages! One of my teachers in middle school showed it to us - I don't remember why though.

quote:
Nor does fury sound like bury

Bury is apparently one of the words that I pronounce oddly since it often rhymes with fury when I talk (not always, I'm kind strange like that) and my friends have made fun of me for it.
 
Posted by Dragon (Member # 3670) on :
 
Apparently I have the same thing with:

quote:
haunt but aunt
when I say them they rhyme...
 
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
I have a versatile accent.

Britts think I'm a Pom, Aussies are astonished to se I don't have an Israeli accent, Israelis think I'm German, Americans think I'm South African and some mistook me for a Kiwi.

Jonny

P.S. "Bury" = "BERRY"
 
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
What's a Pom?
 
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
An Englishman. Like Americans are Yanks (formerly Septic Tanks), and French are Frogs (or Germans are Jerries).

Jonny
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
Dragon, I pronounce aunt the same way. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
quote:
haunt but aunt
Hawnt and Ahnt or Ant

They are quite different from the more American

Hahnt and Ahnt.
 
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
 
I pronounce "aunt" and "ant" identically.
 
Posted by raventh1 (Member # 3750) on :
 
I thought I would try and "pronounce".
http://r4v3n.com/pronunciation.mp3
 
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
 
How are you suppose to pronounce Query? It rhymes when I say it...
 
Posted by Dragon (Member # 3670) on :
 
what about "awed" and "odd"?

I say them the same, but my Dad, from NJ, says they shouldn't be...
 
Posted by raventh1 (Member # 3750) on :
 
Kwea, as though you were saying 'queer-ee' an inquiry.
 
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
 
Wow, that poem is hard to read, even for a native speaker of English! Yes we do have very strange pronunciation, don't we? It's every word for himself, and no guarantees on any rules whatsoever.

For me pen and pin are the same, and made does rhyme with bade, and query with very. What is Feoffer? Is groats supposed to rhyme with wits? I must have been saying it wrong all these years. Not that I have much occasion to speak about groats, anyway. [Smile]

How is rowlock pronounced? Do you leave off some consonants in it too? What is hough and how do you say it?
 
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
 
Main Entry: row·lock
Pronunciation: 'rä-l&k, 'r&-; 'rO-"läk
Function: noun
Etymology: probably by alteration
chiefly British : OARLOCK

Hough seems to mean the same thing and be pronounced like hock.

A feoffer is one who grants lands as a fee, and can be said either to rhyme with heifer, or leafer.
 


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