So here is where I post the news. Officially, I guess, since it snuck in another thread, but was just a quick little post. Jamie and I are going to get married on January 8, 2005. First, let me answer a few questions which I'm sure will come up, or at least be quietly thought (which I do not blame anyone for):
"What about your mission."
I chose not to go, for numerous reasons. Again, let me say that "_I_ CHOSE not to go." Good or bad, it's my choice, and I accept the responsibility of that. Please don't take the briefness of this to mean that I don't care, or that I gave it just as brief of thought.
"I think you are too young."
That's cool, and I thank you for the concern. It is not misplaced, and I do appreciate it, but you'll have to understand if I do not agree.
"I think you guys are rushing into this."
Again, thanks for the concern, but Jamie and I have thought this through, a good deal of thinking. You guys are our friends, and we don't expect any thing less than you wanting the best for us.
Naturally, I assume there are more questions, or probably going to be repeat of questions I just sort of answered. But moving on....
A lot of this is me deciding to move on with my life. I'm living at home, and working a crap job with crap pay that leads me down a road of no where near where I want to be headed. In case you don't know, where I want to be headed is social work, and maybe on to clinical counseling, with Jamie and I hand in hand.
I love Jamie, and I believe that goes without saying. This is what we want. I want to be happy. I want Jamie to be happy. I want my friends to be happy, or at least comfortable.
As for you guys being involved in this, we do not expect that any of you can really make it with this short notice. However, we do plan to have a sort of organized get together of some kind with those that would like to later on, possibly when/if Kama does decide to come to the US, and if it coincides with time that we have available. Expect things like... um... cake... and stuff.
Thanks everyone, for the love and concern, and the hope for the best. Posted by Derrell (Member # 6062) on :
Congratulations. Best wishes for a happy life together.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
LOL..
Now I can say it publicly! About time...
Congratulations!
Kwea
Posted by flyby (Member # 3630) on :
Wow! That is a shock, but cool stuff. Congrats.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
quote:Jamie and I are going to get married on January 8, 2005.
January 8th.
Hobbes Posted by lem (Member # 6914) on :
Congratulations! And just for the sake of being trollish....(plus, you seem prepared to defend your position) and because it would be a waste to not here some more of your thoughts you have obviously invested defending yourself against concerns, here goes:
quote:Again, thanks for the concern, but Jamie and I have thought this through, a good deal of thinking. You guys are our friends, and we don't expect any thing less than you wanting the best for us
First off, I am not your friend. I am not emotionally invested and can not speak to specifics, so here are my generallalities
There is not doubt that you thought this through. I can't imagine anyone thinking otherwise--weddings just take too much effort to not have a good reason behind them. The issue is not whether or not you have had thoughts but rather that your thoughts will change. The difference between 19 and 24+ is incredible. The older you get the more exposure you have to include in your thinking process.
There is something to be said about those post adolescence years. Living at home and making lifetime decisions based on thinking through what you want out of life does a disservice to the experiences you have not yet had. Regret is very real, and it certainly exists after we have made a decision we thought was right.
Of course, you will get married anyway and share those experiences with your wife, but I just want to point out that maybe people aren't concerned because they doubt your decision making ability; they are just looking at their lives and seeing how much they changed in those critical transitional years.
quote: This is what we want. I want to be happy. I want Jamie to be happy. I want my friends to be happy, or at least comfortable.
No one can make anyone else happy. If you think being married or finding the right person is going to change how you feel about yourself......well......no, it doesn't work like that. Relationship play a vital role in our well being and happiness, but they do not cause nor guarantee happiness.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!
quote: Relationship play a vital role in our well being and happiness, but they do not cause nor guarantee happiness.
Absolutely. If you're happy, you can be happier. If you're miserable, you'll more likely be more miserable. It just accentuates what's already there.
quote: Elope.
Oh yea. I completely agree on this. I eloped - or, rather, my husband and I eloped. But I had to travel the furthest, whereas he only had to pick me up at the airport. I did it partially to avoid the negativity that could have been thrown my way given the circumstances behind the marriage (short version - married a man I barely knew from a different country, culture, race, and religion), partly to avoid the enourmous costs of weddings, and partly to avoid the enourmous stress levels of weddings. Eloping is far more relaxing. But no gifts. Which I didn't care about. You may, or Jamie may - I have no idea. Just something to consider, the whole eloping thing.
Meanwhile, may you have a wonderful and happy life together! Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Somewhere, someone owes me a t-shirt.
Posted by signal (Member # 6828) on :
Congrats, good luck, best wishes, and an eternity of happiness together. Posted by Dante (Member # 1106) on :
Huh.
quote:"What about your mission."
"I think you are too young."
"I think you guys are rushing into this."
Yup, that's pretty much exactly what my reaction would have been.
Good luck.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Well, I, for one, actually enjoyed my wedding ceremony. I still think it's the best time I ever had. Just to balance out all those eloping advocates . . .
January 8th . . . I'll probably not forget your anniversary, seeing as how it's two days before mine.
Where are the two of you going to live?
How do your families feel about this?
Best wishes and good luck! Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Man...you two will do anything to avoid conflict with WenchCon this year, huh?
Do you WANT anyone to be there for it, or would you rather haev it be a private wedding? Jenni and I don't live far from Jamie (and soon you) so we might be able to stop in, but I wouldn't want to intrude if you would want it to stay private.
And don't worry about ofending me, it is your day and I would be cool with meeting up with you later for dinner or something, a few days later or whenever you could make the time. I have already talked to Jamie about taking you to Goten when you get here, I think you would like it a lot.
Not that there aren't concerns, but I know better than most how much you two have been considering this, so I won't go into them here....I hope that it all works out for you two, and I am glad that you have found each other.
I am with Icky on this one....I loved my wedding day, being surrounded by my family and friends, and I wouldn't have missed it for the world. The planning phase sucked a bit, but it was all worht it.
It is the best day of my life...so far, anyway.
Kwea
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
Congratulations, guys! Best wishes for your life together! Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Are you getting married in the Temple? (In which case, many of us couldn't attend even if we wanted to).
Congrats to you both. I hope you two find much happiness together. And we, your friends, are here if the going ever gets rough.
FG
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
I don't think Jamie is LDS. She studied under the Benedictines and comes across as a pretty Catholic chick.
Best wishes to the two of you for a peaceful and happy life. Marriage is a long conversation -- may you continue to intrigue each other through the years. Nothing better!
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
[ December 26, 2004, 09:50 AM: Message edited by: Kama ]
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Oh, no way! I'm so outta the loop.
Congratulations on continuing your spiritual journey, mack. (I wish I were more up to speed on my friends' lives. I will do better.)
Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
Congratulations Mack and T!
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:Well, I, for one, actually enjoyed my wedding ceremony. I still think it's the best time I ever had. Just to balance out all those eloping advocates . . .
I second this. My wedding was awesome, mainly because we did exactly what we wanted.
Congratulations, you too!
Dagonee
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
Sara...you must've missed a thread. She joined the LDS.
Nathan, thanks for posting. I can't say that I don't worry for you both, but it's a good worry. It's a worry that I have for every couple starting out (including Dana and I) -- that you are equipped to handle what life throws at you and handle it as a couple. That the things that might drive you apart instead bring you closer together. I guess these worries come out as wishes. There are no guarantees, it's true. But there are no guarantees any which way you turn or with any particular choice in life.
I have hope for you two as a couple because you are both such wonderful people. Funny, intelligent, caring, loving, etc. I'm just enough of a romantic and an optimist to think those things are more important than all the barriers and so forth that one might worry about.
As you start this new part of your lives, I know you and Jamie will approach it with passion and the desire to be good for each other. I'm figuring if you do that, many potential problems are already solved.
I look forward to being a part of your lives together (life togethers?) for a long, long time.
Enjoy the wedding!
- Bob
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Got it. Won't forget. Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
Congratulations!
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Okay, here's the enthusiastic congratulations.
(because isn't that what everyone does at weddings?
"I now pronounce you husband and wife."
Congratulations!
Reception time!
Aww! Have fun on your honeymoon!
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Congratulations guys!
Hey, Sara, I know that no one has mentioned it, but mack converted to LDS.
Just so you know.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Wait -- are you sure? Because she trained under the Benedictines.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
Oh my goodness!
Many Many Congratulations!! Posted by Vána (Member # 6593) on :
Wow, I didn't know it was coming up so quick! Congratulations. Be sure to post pictures!
Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
I'm so happy for you two! No reasons and explanations are needed; you are both adults!!
space opera
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
The wedding is going to be in Utah.
The wedding is going to be very small.
The wedding is not going to be in the temple. (I have my own difficulties wrestling with the ideas of the temple and in fact those ideas have driven me back to being Catholic, or at least in practice. So, those of you who raised objections over the conversation, you were right, and please leave it at that.)
We're going to live in NH. We're flying back here the day after the wedding.
We would rather elope (both of us were in a friend's big wedding this past October and saw the struggles and stresses of the bride) but weddings are apparently primarily for the families involved and Nathan's family wants a wedding. Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
(((mack&nate)))
Congratulations and best wishes, both for your lives together and for getting through the wedding in one piece. While I'm sure for those people who want a big wedding it can be the most incredible day of their life, for people who would rather elope and are doing it for the family it seems like a pain in the neck. Just try to relax and go with it as much as you can, and the moment when you say "I do" is going to be all that matters, anyway.
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Well, the best way to look at it is the marriage is for you and your gift to your new in-laws is the wedding day. Let them enjoy it and you'll be able to enjoy the rest of your life. It will only last one day and as long as you don't have an emotional investment in the details, just sit back and enjoy it.
The upside, if you like happen to have a hankering for Jell-O that day there will probably be lots of it. Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Jamie
Marriages are ever so much more fun than weddings, in my opinion.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
You can still get gifts, even if you elope, you know.
Posted by kwsni (Member # 1831) on :
I'm glad you guys found a comprimise with Nathan's family, and I know you'll be happy together.
Ni!
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
We went to a wedding in October where the bride's mother's antics made us call both our moms and thank them for not being like that.
Really, we concentrated on the basics - good food (and drinks, but they're not necessary), good DJ, a priest we were comfortable with, and a guest list of people who would have fun sharing our wedding with us.
Dagonee
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
quote:(I have my own difficulties wrestling with the ideas of the temple and in fact those ideas have driven me back to being Catholic, or at least in practice. So, those of you who raised objections over the conversation, you were right, and please leave it at that.)
I believe there are many paths to the same place. And no-one here is equipped to judge you (or anyone else).
I wish I could be there. Have a great day!!!
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
Yay Bob!
Posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong (Member # 2229) on :
And this is for myself,
I had no idea.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I'm still thrilled to be able to photograph bobndana's wedding. Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
quote:I'm still thrilled to be able to photograph bobndana's wedding.
Cool!!!
Can Nathan come too? I mean, surely you'll need someone to rewind the electrons in your camera's memory or something.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
He was already planning on attending. Now we get to fly in together and torture each other on the flight with our ADHD.
Yeah, I told Dana that I've got my bag and zoom lens and...*excited*
I just don't want to screw it up.
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
Well, I won't lie and say that I think this is definitely the best idea I ever heard, but I respect your ability to make your own decisions and I really respect your ability to make a decision that might not be one that the people around you are approving of. I also wish that you could have scheduled it at a time that other people could go...
But I wish you guys all the best for your future together. Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
quote:I just don't want to screw it up.
Well...I figure you'll either give us great photos to enjoy, or a really good story to tell...
Posted by Dragon (Member # 3670) on :
That's awesome! Congrats!
(Nathan, welcome to the Boston-Area clump!)
Posted by babager (Member # 6700) on :
CONGRATULATIONS!!!! I wish you both a lifetime of happiness! Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Mack, don't forget...part of the price for my silence was that you and Nate come down to Sunderland for a dinner at Goten. I held up my part of the bargain...
I know that you have a ton of preparations for the upcoming nuptials ( I love that word, and so rarely get to use it in conversations...), so when things wind down a bit let us know, OK?
I would have loved to be there for the wedding, but I think it was wonderful that you came to a solution that will make his family happier, and that is more important than you know. It is always better to start a marriage with goodwill on every side when possible, and families can be very important...as you are about to find out.
After all, you and Nate are about to become one yourselves.
Nate, you should change (or add to) the title of this thread, a lot of people don't click on it because they don't know what it is about...
Dag, you thirded it...I seconded it already.
Nice try though....
Kwea
[ December 26, 2004, 05:17 PM: Message edited by: Kwea ]
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:Dag, you thirded it...I seconded it already.
Nah. I was agreeing with Icarus, not you.
Now I'm rethinking my whole position on the matter.
Dagonee
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
What are you waiting for...the Pope to tell you what to think?
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
I have to go through a priest and a bishop first.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
Speaking of which, Nathan, Mack, are you willing to tell us where (not lat/lan, but which Church, or outside or whatever) you're getting married?
Hobbes Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
Well, as long as you don't raise the kids to be Red Sox fans...
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
hear hear!
Red Sox fans should not breed!
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Nathan already knows my house rule of disrespecting the Red Sox. If he does, he sleeps on the couch. Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
I would advise against doing what you are now doing. In fact, I have advised against it.
It would be ridiculously hypocritical of me to pretend to endorse this decision, as I've rather strenuously argued to the contrary whenever the issue has been raised.
However, since you're both set on this course of action, and clearly have anticipated all the possible objections and reservations of those of us in the audience, I want to make clear that my disapproval does not preclude support. I wish you both the best, and would like to emphasize that, should my assistance for some reason become necessary, it will always be available.
Posted by larisse (Member # 2221) on :
I know I don't know you two as well as some of the others, but I want to wish you both the best for your future together. I hope you have a great wedding day no matter where it is. Take lots and lots of pictures. And, have a wonderful marriage. You two deserve every happiness in the world.
Wow.... 2005 is gonna be another busy year for Jatraqueros.
Posted by celia60 (Member # 2039) on :
So help you both, I had better get more notice on the date and location of your open house.
I hope I'm not speaking too out of turn here, but, Tom, realize that this has been circulating (sans date) since around election day or so and you have no idea what objections didn't make the list. Glad you can be supportive. Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
"Tom, realize that this has been circulating (sans date) since around election day or so and you have no idea what objections didn't make the list."
Perhaps someone does not realize that, although I am openly dismissive of Hatrack gossip, I nevertheless receive enough of that gossip -- unsolicited -- to occasionally remain informed despite my own best efforts to the contrary. If anything, your Election Day bit is considerably pessimistic.
That said, this is the first time it's been mentioned in public at Hatrack, and ergo the first time I'm commenting on it in public at Hatrack.
[ December 26, 2004, 09:17 PM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
That makes sense, Tom. And I DO appreciate you voicing both your concerns and support, and respect that you do so.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Thanks for taking that so graciously. I really do wish you two all the happiness in the world, too, except for that little bit the rest of us are using. *grin*
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
And we can do a swap on that part....it is just that you can't have ALL of it at the same time....
there are others out here who are kinda use to haveing their own share of it, you know.
If you realize that marrage is a beginning and not an ending, that there will be days that aren't perfect, even days where you want to strangle each other, then you are beginning the journey putting the right foot forward.
I love my wife, and marrying her is the best thing I have ever done (to date)...but there are days where I get annoyed or even angry. It isn't even her fault some of the time, but she is always here so she sees parts of me that I am not even aware of sometimes.
I love her, and respect her.....those are two different things, and you both need both to thrive as partners. I have people in my family that I love, but that I don't resect much, and there are people I don't like but that I respect deeply.
In order to be a marraige partner for life you have to have both for each other at all times. You have to be willing to admit when you are wrong, or that you might be wrong. Nothing kills respect for each other than a partner who always assumes he/she is correct, at the expense of the other partner.
I think that you are aware of some of the potential difficulties, and I hope you two will be strong enough to weather the changes that life will inflict upon you.
Kwea
[ December 26, 2004, 09:44 PM: Message edited by: Kwea ]
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
Hey, you're going to beat Tony and I (22nd January).
I wish you two a great future together and a very strong marriage.
Mack, I know exactly what you mean about weddings are for families. Especially mothers-in-law.
***
You know, it's kind of odd that no-one has suggested I am too young to get married. I'm still fairly young (22) and Tony is older than me (32) but no-one (in either virtual or real life) has raised that as a barrier. I wonder if part of that is that I, as the woman, am younger than my partner - a more 'normal' situation.
Of course, it could also be because of my incredible maturity and Tony's equally incredible immaturity.
[ December 26, 2004, 09:59 PM: Message edited by: imogen ]
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
Yay Nate 'n Jamie!!!
Jamie, get on AIM! Posted by jexx (Member # 3450) on :
Utah???
*grmbl*
I am on AIM. Express. (yes, the laptop) I'll be here until eleven pm.
Oh, and you and hotnathan will make pretty babies for CT to spoil, right? RIGHT? Yes, congratulations and all that happycr@ppy. Now, UTAH?
brat.
Posted by gossip (Member # 4849) on :
quote: Perhaps someone does not realize that, although I am openly dismissive of Hatrack gossip, I nevertheless receive enough of that gossip -- unsolicited -- to occasionally remain informed despite my own best efforts to the contrary.
No problem. I am well aware of where I travel. Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
What do you guys think of driving from Utah to NH in January?
(In 5 days, 8 hrs per day)
Good idea or bad idea?
[ December 26, 2004, 11:35 PM: Message edited by: mackillian ]
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
You're kidding, right?
What route are you taking? I'll be you could stay with Hatrackers the entire way.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I found killer rates to FL on it for this winter....
Kwea
[ December 26, 2004, 11:48 PM: Message edited by: Kwea ]
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote: What do you guys think of driving from Utah to NH in January?
(In 5 days, 8 hrs per day)
Good idea or bad idea?
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
8 hours a day is pretty light driving, so your sanity should be fine. Although I would try to up it while the roads are clear, so if you hit snow later in the trip you'll have some extra time.
The question is, are you doing it to get a vehicle and/or Nate's stuff to NH, or to try to save airfare money? If it's the former, I think it's feisable. If it's the later, no matter how expensive the tickets are, it's probably not worth five days on the road.
[ December 26, 2004, 11:59 PM: Message edited by: ElJay ]
Posted by kwsni (Member # 1831) on :
I think you should drive, so you can come and see ME!
But then I've been saying that forever.
Ni!
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
Only 8 hours? Egads, why would you do that? Shoot for at least 12 hour days, then at least the torture is over quicker, even if it seems slow. A rough estimate from SLC to NH that I pulled from Mapquest is 37 hours. Three days travelling is better than five in any circumstance.
Remember: You've also got to consider hotel rooms, food, all that other stuff. It's expensive even when you aren't factoring in gas prices.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
*grumbles* I've been avoiding logging in for 5 days, but I couldn't resist saying this:
Congratulations! Posted by foundling (Member # 6348) on :
Also, consider the fact that this will essentially be your honeymoon, right? And have either of you ever gone on a road trip with someone who's not family? If you have, you will probably remember how often you considered killing that person at a remote truckstop after they changed the station without asking for the umpteenth time. Seriously, driving that far so quickly is STRESSFULL! And you will just be starting your lives together. Why subject yourselves to that kind of pressure so quickly?
Posted by foundling (Member # 6348) on :
Oh, yeah. And Congratulations! Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
Congratulations and best wishes, Nathan and Jamie! You are one of the few Jatraqueros I've had the pleasure of meeting, Nathan, so you'll always be on my cool list.
Treat each other with the love and respect you both deserve, and make your role as husband or wife your primary driving identity. Be absolutely true to each other. Share the heavy burden of responsibility for the finances and for getting the kids to bed. Be home together as often as possible and never fail have long conversations. That's my unsolicited advice.
I think you'll do fine.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I HAVE driven cross country...no...down country before. I had a three week long roadtrip just after I graduated from college. So I'm not speaking from inexperience.
[ December 27, 2004, 01:50 AM: Message edited by: mackillian ]
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
Best wishes, Jamie and Nathan. I wish you all the rest of your years together a soul-deep joy in each other. I pray you will always remember why you fell in love in the first place -- especially after you've done something to significantly annoy each other. More than likely, what was annoying is closely related to the quality you most love. I've found that helps. And I pray that you lose one word from your vocabulary...permanently erradicated from your personal dictionary (I don't need to write it, do I? ), forever replaced with the word "commitment".
Many blessings and a life of love (the best of verbs) together.
Posted by Zotto! (Member # 4689) on :
*grin* Congratz, you two. Couldn't happen to awesome-er folks. Posted by Da_Goat (Member # 5529) on :
quote:What do you guys think of driving from Utah to NH in January?
(In 5 days, 8 hrs per day)
Good idea or bad idea?
No mack. Hike it. You know you want to.
Starting....NOW! GO!
Anyway, while I am somewhat scared for you two for the exact reasons that T made a point of naming in the first post so that they couldn't be named, and while I can't really support dragging anybody to that hades of an ice state, especially to a home which very well may be subjected to Domino's Pizza on any given evening, I totally support the marriage. Rock on, guys. May your lives be filled with pointy sticks and orange tights galore. Posted by Zotto! (Member # 4689) on :
Don't forget coke bottles, Goat.
Though Mack might get jealous if Nate spends *too* much time lip-locked with a cola bottle.
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
I wish you both the best of luck and the most happiness in your marriage.
I am glad that you guys are not eloping.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
quote: You can still get gifts, even if you elope, you know.
But . . . we didn't. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
What, exactly, do you think all that chocolate was? So, it was a leetle bit late . . . Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
But, rivka, I didn't get any chocolate from you. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Uh . . . um . . .
I guess I'll have to remedy that. Not sure when I'll next make to somewhere that has really good chocolate. But, hopefully soon. Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Okay! Tee hee!!!!
Posted by hansenj (Member # 4034) on :
Congratulations Nathan and Jamie!
(Incidently, leaving Hatrack--quite accidently I might add--for a semester does not help you stay in the loop. I've been perusing threads for the last couple hours, and I'm thoroughly lost. Anything else big I should know about? )
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
According to MapQuest, you come right through DesMoines on your way east. If that is true, we would LOVE to meet you there, or even put you up for the night in Radcliffe (1 hour north of Des Moines).
Whatever works best.
Oh wait! I'll be in D.C. unless you delay your departure from SLC... But dkw would drive down to meet you...
Let us know...
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
Jamie, obviously your problem with Mormonism and Catholicism is that they're isms. Isms, in my opinion, are not good. A man should not believe in an ism; he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon. "I don't believe in Beatles. I just believe in me." Smart man.
But then, he was the Walrus. I could be the Walrus - I'd still have to bum rides off of people.
On a serious note, Nathan and Jamie, just remember that age != maturity. They generally correlate, but they're not cause and effect.
As long as you two are compatible and commited to mutual support for your personal and spiritual growth, it won't matter if you're fifteen or fifty when you get hitched.
Good luck, and be good to each other.
~Carrie
[ December 27, 2004, 11:30 AM: Message edited by: AvidReader ]
Posted by Jaiden (Member # 2099) on :
Congratulations Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
I wish joy and blessings for you both - may you be happy, may your marriage bring you much happiness, and may this be a start of a wonderful life together.
Posted by Mr.Gumby (Member # 6303) on :
Does this mean that when I beat you at Halo, Super Smash Bros., etc... I have to beat Jamie as well?
Posted by Mr.Gumby (Member # 6303) on :
Here's a question that i have to ask as a friend and missionary:
Did you pray about your decision and seek the Lord's guidance? I ask this because marriage isn't something you should go about lightly. I'm not saying you did, but most people don't relize that Heavenly Father loves his children(which is all of us in the spirit), answers prayers and wants the best for His children.
Here's a question as a friend for after the honey moon:
HOW WAS IT? *waits with anticipation*
[ December 27, 2004, 12:39 PM: Message edited by: Mr.Gumby ]
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Alex--we did. (Pray about it. I realized my first post could imply something else).
And.
Too bad you're on your mission. Nathan told me about your childhood deal. Sam is getting a phone call the next day. You're on your mission, and a letter just isn't the same.
[ December 27, 2004, 01:44 PM: Message edited by: mackillian ]
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
So here's how much of a dunderhead I am. I thought "Oh good 2005! That's an entire year away, we'll all have time to get there and plan and...."
Ok, so it took me a minute! So instead of a year, my brain had to wrap itself around 2 weeks.
But anyway Nathan and Jamie, I want you to know that I love you both a lot and I wish you all the very best. Congrats!!!
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
I wish you both the best.
I would love to see you guys before you take off again for NH.
Road trips *can* be a lot of fun. The weather on the other hand....
[ December 27, 2004, 03:16 PM: Message edited by: beverly ]
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
I also wanted to say...on the too young/haven't known each other long enough front.
Wes and I were engaged less than 3 months after we met, married about 16 months after we met and I was 20 at the wedding, 19 at the engagement, and 21 when my daughter was born.
Believe me when I say many, many people thought I was "ruining my life" They are now the same people who say meeting and marrying Wes was the smartest thing I ever did. I agree.
Go and be happy. Love one another, recognize that marriage isn't easy, and there are bound to be hard times ahead, but you can make it through them.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Belle, what you said really touched me. I'm going to tell Nathan when he calls later today, and I think he'll feel the same way. Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
((((Jamie))))
We just celebrated lucky 13, you know. Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
Congratulations, both of you.
This is generally where the obligatory bit of advice would come, but I wouldn't be saying anything you don't already know, and I recall getting a little irritated with all the advice just prior to my wedding. So I'll just say congratulations again and wish you both happiness and good fortune. Posted by Dead_Horse (Member # 3027) on :
YAY!!! I am SO HAPPY for you both! I know you will be fine. I am glad that people are being supportive. I know you both have carefully and prayerfully agonized over the decisions you have made. I am glad it is working out for you.
Now, about driving to NH...what, are you nuts!???!
No, really...I have driven cross country several times in the winter. It just depends on the weather at the time. Sometimes the weather has been dry and the trip was wonderful. Sometimes the weather was icy and the trip wasn't so wonderful. Take care to plan extra time, just in case. If the weather looks threatening, find a safe place to wait it out. I would recommend not doing the U-Haul thing until the summer, if possible, or hiring real movers.
That said, I have some really nice friends in Zanesville (east of Columbus on I-70) if you need to stop at a safe place. You practically HAVE to drive near here to get there, so you might as well stop for lunch, or a snack, or whatever. Just let me know.
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!! Posted by jexx (Member # 3450) on :
Chuck and I drove the Al-Can (Alaska/Canadian Hwy) in October, in a U-Haul (towing a Jeep Grand Cherokee), while I breastfed Christopher (yes, while we were all strapped in our seats). We were well-prepared with maps, and alternate maps, and a trucker's highway stop atlas (truck stops are lifesavers!). It took us ten days to drive from Tuscon, Arizona to Anchorage, Alaska.
You and Nate'll be alright.
Remember: truckstops have internet access and showers!
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Wait!!!!!!!!
How did I miss this????
Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
I have been together with my husband for twenty years this coming January. We knew we would be getting married within six months, but waited a few years. We definitely grew up together. It is different than couples who meet when they are older and "know who they are," but i don't think one way is better than the other, just differnt.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Are people getting snitty because you haven't known each other that long? Well, do I have a story for you . . . And feel free to tell it to other people for the shock factor. And also because your decision will seem so much more intelligent when compared to us. . .
Fahim and I met online. Within four or five days, we knew we were in love. He's Muslim, I'm LDS. He's from Sri Lanka, I'm from Canada. Within three weeks, we knew we wanted to marry each other. After much fasting and praying, two weeks later we knew we were going to get married. Three weeks later, I left Canada for Sri Lanka, where I had never been, to get married to a man I had not yet met in person.
Eight hours after I arrived, we were married. The only reason it took that long was because of customs, animal control (I brought my cats with me), and waiting for his friends, the witnesses to show up. We would have been married five minutes after I landed if we could have.
NOW THAT'S INSANE!
By comparison, you can rest assured that you look positively sane, level-headed, and wise.
Fahim and I have now been married a year and 4 months, and no, it's still not a long time, but we still love each other and we're still madly in love, despite the occasional wanting to strangle each other. We're definitely compatible and we are definitely meant for each other.
Moral of the story? It's your life to live and you have to do it in a way that brings you peace and happiness, even if it isn't the path that others would choose for you. Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Cor and I were engaged within three months, and married within eleven months of our first date. So I certainly can't talk . . .
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Sheesh, Icky, you positively dawdled compared to me and Fahim. . . What took you so long? Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Well, we wanted presents.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Yeah, that makes sense. I hope you made out like bandits? Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
We did alright.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
The bandits I come across in Fable seem to end up dying in horrible ways.
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
We were engaged in two months and married in 7.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Nah, Kayla, no winnee, no prizee.
Seriously, is there anyone here who can beat Fahim and I? I wanna know!
[/derail} Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Britney Spears.
*ducks*
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
ha ha!
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Seriously, quid -- you're LDS? I don't remember knowing that before. I thought you were Mennonite or something......
FG
Posted by Lucky4 (Member # 1420) on :
Mack, I've thought you had the best sense of humor at Hatrack ever since I first showed up here a few years ago (you've by far gotten the most outloud non-pun-related laughs), and I'd say that more than anything else equips one for a marraige!!
Congratulations and best of luck!!
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Mennonite heritage, if I recall, and 1st generation LDS. Quid, am I right?
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
(*would like to point out that Noemon is always right)
Posted by Megachirops (Member # 4325) on :
quote:I'd say that more than anything else equips one for a marraige!!
*rimshot*
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Goodness me.
And Sara's Benedictine line made me laugh quite hard.
And we've found that Nathan's father shared a sense of humor with the two of us. Telling the story about Nathan locking us out of my car had his dad ROLLING last night. Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
Well, I don't exactly understand the decision, but I wish y'all the best.
BTW, what are y'all wearing?
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
I think we need a northeast area Hatracker post wedding picnic!
Edit: And I PROMISE not to throw plates in the cold, half-frozedn water for Nate to retrieve. I promise. Really, I do. Kwea promises, too. And Bok. Because it is no fun watching him retrieve plates, nope.
[ December 28, 2004, 01:08 PM: Message edited by: Elizabeth ]
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
How'd I know you'd ask that?
My dress is cream colored (I'm very pale) and we're thinking Nathan will wear a 3 button black suit, cream colored shirt and black tie.
More input, Mrs.M?
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Elizabeth, we were planning on it. Besides, Nathan and I owe Kwea and JenniK a trip to that restaurant he told me about. Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
It's cream colored? That's all you're going to say about it? Come on, mac. Cut? Length? Sleeves? And what about a veil and/or headpiece? Flowers? Shoes? You're killing me.
BTW, I would go with a grey tie for Nathan. I'm just not a fan of black ties and I love grey. I had to go all over Manhattan to find an extra-long gray tie for Andrew for our wedding.
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
Mrs. M, Nate can't know what it looks like! Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
Heh. Mack. In a wedding dress..
I presume some sort of cutlass will be used as an accessory?
-Bok
Posted by Theca (Member # 1629) on :
Mrs. M, I TOLD mack to specifically ask for your input before shopping.
But it sounds like she and her dress shopping expert did good.
*can't wait for pictures*
Posted by Zeugma (Member # 6636) on :
quote:Mrs. M, Nate can't know what it looks like!
LOL, I told Mark about every detail of my dress, that it was an a-line sleeveless with a pleated bodice and off-center beading, etc, etc.... and he was like, um, it's sleeveless? Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
See, it's a very simple ceremony with few people. My friend Sarah took me out yesterday to get the dress.
We ended up arguing. We wanted cream because of my complexion. We couldn't find a dress we liked...then Sarah saw this tailored jacket on a pantsuit type thing...it's 3/4 length, cream colored satin type material and looks amazing. We had me showing everyone around the dress area with me in it. We got a lace shell under it, which sets it off really well. I wanted a skirt then. We tried to find one, but nothing looked good. Finally, I accepted Sarah's offer of a pair of trousers she found.
Matched perfectly. Got to parade around again. Was told to get that, even though everyone had EXPECTED a dress, including me, so much so that I argued.
But I can't deny that it looks GOOD.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
I'm trying to visualize this. You're wearing a cream-colored jacket from a pantsuit over a lace shirt, with trousers (not from the original pantsuit) of roughly the same color? We need pictures. Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I'll get some today, I have two friends coming over and they want to see it anyway. Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
What was wrong with the trousers that went with the jacket? Just curious. Can't wait to see the pics. Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
No trousers with jacket, sorry, I should've said that in the first place. It came with a short skirt and really wouldn't be good for 1. a wedding 2. winter. So we went to find a longer skirt and ended up with pants.
We also got to make fun of Hideous Dresses. Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
Posted by Trisha the Severe Hottie (Member # 6000) on :
Nate- congratulations! Both on the wedding and on making the decision to move ahead in life.
Mack, I know I've been really weird to you about a lot of stuff, but never about this subject. And I wholeheartedly hope for you and Nathan's happiness. I'm sorry the church didn't work out for you.
Quids, I think I have you beat but coudn't quite decode your timeline. Keeping in mind that I knew he was the man the first time we met but he didn't really think of me as dateable for a year and a half- we went on our first "date" thanksgiving, were engaged on Solstice and married 14 years ago tomorrow. So that's five weeks of dating and 8 days of engagement.
One time my grandma did note on the back of a picture something to the effect that she was pleasantly surprised we were still together.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Here's what I meant to say earlier:
Just going by the cold facts, the odds seem to be against you. A betting man would bet against you.
But there is much more to it than the cold facts. I don't know either of you that well, and you are much better equipped to make this decisin than I ever could be.
Each time I have thought this (the odds are against you) about somebody I knew getting married, they have beat the odds and have had a good marriage.
I hope that you two do the same.
[ December 28, 2004, 04:20 PM: Message edited by: mr_porteiro_head ]
Posted by Troubadour (Member # 83) on :
Whoops!!!!
Sorry I didn't notice this earlier - I've been on holidays and on light browsing only...
Jamie & Nate - you have my wholehearted and unreserved congratulations!!
*grumbles about being in the wrong country to go to Jatraquero weddings*
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Well, love, some might have said the odds were against us too. Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
Sounds intriguing, mac. How are the pants and jacket cut? Is the jacket like a suit jacket or a frock coat?
I think that you should consider wearing flowers in your hair. There is something so charming about garlands on girls with short hair and I think it would be a perfect compliment to the pants and jacket. Also, since you are wearing a jacket, you'll need a corsage.
Posted by Boon (Member # 4646) on :
A bit sooner than I thought, though...but not by much.
FWIW, Hubby and I were married 2 weeks after we met. That was almost 8 years ago, and we were 20 and 21.
I'm not saying we haven't had rough times. I'm not saying I haven't felt murderous urges. I'm not even saying I've always thought it was a good idea. All I'm saying is...there are MANY (much worse) mistakes you could make.
I wish you both a loving, stable marriage and long, happy lives together.
(You're welcome to come visit me in Oklahoma anytime, you know. And let me know when that present arrives, Jamie.)
Posted by Trisha the Severe Hottie (Member # 6000) on :
Yep, Boon wins. Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Y'know if you survive the road trip together, the marriage will probably be easy thereafter. AJ
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
See, considering I'm nineteen in three months this is the sort of thing that makes me feel... both really young and really old.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
AJ, You are so right! If they make it out west alive, their marriage will survive.
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
True. Road trips are like marriage concentrate.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Farmgirl, Noemon is mostly right.
My mother became LDS two years before I was born, but she promptly went inactive and took us to church occasionally and sporadically. I was baptized when I was 13 with my sister, who promptly went inactive and has since been baptized as a baptist. Couldn't be baptized earlier because my father was violently opposed to the church (threatened to kill any mormon who ever stepped foot inside our house), but after his brain aneurisms and resulting brain damage when I was 12, he was no longer in a position to stop me from being baptized, so I was.
I consider myself first generation LDS simply because I'm the only person who benefited from it in my family, I'm the only one who ever took it seriously and actually tried to be a good LDS person, and my mother was never active. In fact, she's probably broken just about every commandment that there ever was, with only one exception. I doubt she's ever killed anyone. My father, on the other hand, is a whole other ballgame. . .
Mennonite by heritage. Both my parents grew up in Mennonite households raised in Mennonite churchs. And we therefore lived in a Mennonite culture. I am genetically a purebred Mennonite going back to the beginnings of the Mennonite religion.
TMI?
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
Well, shiver me timbers and strike me blind . . . just kidding . . .
Congratulations, the pair of you!
(((Mack and T)))
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grumbles - go away for a few days and come back to wedding dates - sheesh - what's Hatrack coming to . . . .
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Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Lovely, mack. I vote against flowers in the hair, assuming I get a vote. But, a necklace? Are you going to wear a necklace? And just carry a small, simple bouquet. Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I have a necklace. I forgot to put the damn thing on and didn't remember until I was back in my jammies. And my sister is a cosmetologist, so I get my own hairdresser. Right then it was end of the day I'd rather be wearing my jammies and don't care what my hair does...hair.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Oh, that wasn't a comment on how your hair looked in the picture. It was just that Mrs. M had suggested a floral wreath above, and I agree that those can look really great on short hair. But I don't think it would go well with the outfit.
End of the day is definitely jammie time.
You got your shoes picked out already, too?
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Nice dressy jacket! I wish the lighting were better--hard to see detail.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
*grumps* Everyone needs to wake up and gush over how gorgeous and stylin' mack is. :pokepoke: Come on, Hatrack! Get with it!
Posted by WheatPuppet (Member # 5142) on :
Congratulations!
Wait, am I reading this correctly--you're getting married in New Hampshire? That's a stone's throw from me! Whereabouts in NH? Northern, southern?
[edit] The jacket is very nice. For the purposes of full disclosure, I'm not a fan of wedding dresses, so I'm particulary partial to alternatives. Mack, yours is particularly good.
[ December 29, 2004, 12:00 AM: Message edited by: WheatPuppet ]
Posted by Suneun (Member # 3247) on :
I really like the jacket. And the look suits Jamie
I'd want that jacket in black. Mmm.
Posted by Theca (Member # 1629) on :
No, she's getting married in Utah.
The jacket looks great!
Posted by WheatPuppet (Member # 5142) on :
Hmph, nothing good happens in the northeast. Boston is the end of the civilized world, for all everyone cares.
I'm going to go back to my warm cave-fire now. Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
WheatPuppet, Just come to our post wedding picnic!
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Mack, I sell suits for a living...drop me an e-mail, and I will hook you up as best as I can.
Not a black tie, he is getting married not going on a mission.
Well, a mission of sorts for the honymoon, but we won't go there....
I would go with a light grey shirt, with a grey and black tie....it is classic, tasteful, and perfect in that it will match anything you wear perfectly.
And I would be more than glad to help throw a party for you afterwards, if I can.
And Goten is where we are going for food, in Sunderland....let me know when is good for you two.
Kwea
Posted by Trisha the Severe Hottie (Member # 6000) on :
I think I have it straight that the wedding is in Utah and then they are driving to NH. Which is 40-50 hours of road time actually driving. I think 8 hours a day is rather conservative. I reccommend breaking it up into 4 legs based on mileages. Salt Lake to Kearney Nebraska, to Chicago, to... uh, probably New York and then New Hampshire. I used to think those eastern states were all just pennyfarts, but one time I tried to drive to Vermont and it took 13 hours from D.C.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I prefer Wedding dresses, but that coat is wonderful.
If you haven't decided, there is a wedding dres shop here in MA that gets all their syuff from NYC...Jenni got her dress and veil for less than I believed, and she looked wonderful.
I have never seen a bride in a coat and pants before, but one way or another I am sure you will be beautiful.
Kwea
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
We're actually flying back. Trip will happen another time.
Suits, Kwea?
Posted by WheatPuppet (Member # 5142) on :
Picnic? In January? I'm so confused.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Yep, I sell suits....at JCPenney in Holyoke.
Kwea
Posted by Trisha the Severe Hottie (Member # 6000) on :
Oh, good. About flying.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
(I think he's talking about for Nate, mack, if he doesn't have his black suit already.)
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
He has a really nice black 3 button suit. We just don't know what to do for shirt and tie.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
And WheatPuppet, I live (and he will live soon) in NH. Where are you? Do you snowboard?
Posted by Anti-Chris (Member # 4452) on :
No way, after today, I'm doing another picnic in the dead of winter. Well, not one where we have to roast hotdogs by a fire.
I'd just like to say that I appreciate everyone who has posted in this thread. I really do. I appreciate the caring advice that has been giving, both now and previously with the engagement announcement. Thank you. Posted by WheatPuppet (Member # 5142) on :
Right now I'm living in Montpelier, Vermont. It's about an hour from West Lebanon, NH. I have relatives in Temple, NH. I'm on Christmas break right now, but when I'm not eating good food and sleeping until 11:00AM, I'm at University of Vermont in Burlington.
I ski, when I have the money and inclination. My usual spot is in Sugarbush in Warren, VT. Killington is the hot spot to go for the ski people so it's always crowded, and as a result it's hard to have fun skiing. It's still a good place, if you know where to go.
[edit] I have no idea where exactly Temple is, since I havn't been there in years (before I cared about roads and signs and the like). Mapquest says Temple is about an hour southwest of Manchester.
[ December 29, 2004, 01:06 AM: Message edited by: WheatPuppet ]
Posted by Theca (Member # 1629) on :
I was thinking. Jamie and Nathan have both been here a long time and are fairly well known, and they have both met many Hatrackers in person. I wondered if there would be Hatrackers who wanted to send cards, gifts, or money to them this month. There is obviously no time for a wedding shower and the wedding itself is going to be very small.
I asked Jamie if she was going to register anywhere and the answer was no. She isn't really sure what precise things they might want for their apartment, plus they might possibly be moving to a different one soon. She did say that they will really need more bookshelves and a closet storage system.
If anyone wants to send them something, you can email me or Jamie to get her address. She gave me permission to give it out. Or, if you wanted to paypal money for bookshelves or other purchases you can paypal me or her directly. Both of us use paypal and the emails listed in our profiles are the correct ones for paypalling money. If you send it to me I'll keep track of your names and the amounts and give it to her in one lump sum, maybe after they get back to New Hampshire.
Just a thought.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
That is a good idea, really.
Thanks for offereing to do that, I had been wondering if we should.
Kwea
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Jamie, Jamie, Jamie ... you look soooo beautiful. I cannot imagine a wedding outfit that would look better on you.
Classsssy!
*applause
(Really, from the description I was guessing I'd like it, but you -floored- me with the photos)
Posted by punwit (Member # 6388) on :
Congrats and best wishes to you both.
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
Theca: email sent.
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
That's what I call big news ! Congrats, to both of you. Be happy, and try not to mind what the others will say or do. I was 19 and Vinnie 25 when I started to live with him, and we had had our first kis a few days ago. We already knew we were made for each other and that we wanted to marry and have children (we still don't agree on the number, but I guess life will decide that for us).
Posted by Jaiden (Member # 2099) on :
You need a small bouquet. Or a single flower.
(Calla Lilies,GerberasLisianthusi, and Roses all look good alone... I'd just go to a nice flower shop and pick what you like)
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
Much as I love Calla lilies, I wouldn't do a white flower with a cream suit. I vote for the Lisianthusi.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
A single flower would also be lovely. I'm most partial to the lines of some of bouquets at the Calla silks -- very elegant. There is a single-like version there, too. Note that a lot of the Calla styles, e.g., the first one I linked, have an abundance of green to set them off.
I think some versions of white, off-white or soft pastel-tinged (e.g., peach) would look lovely with the suit. You'd have to try it out, though, and see what you think.
[ December 29, 2004, 08:52 AM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]
Posted by Jaiden (Member # 2099) on :
Tulips will be expensive this time of year. I'm a fan of the gerbera bouquet linked by CT.
Silk flowers can be nice, but I've always been a bigger fan of real flowers.
I don't think I'd have a corsage and a bouquet at the same time. If you're having a wedding ceremony then a reception-like get together, you could put on the corsage after.
As always, I'm a big fan of a single elegant rose. And they dry if you want to keep it for memories Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
quote:Silk flowers can be nice, but I've always been a bigger fan of real flowers.
Me, too. I was just linking to different examples for style ideas.
[ December 29, 2004, 09:05 AM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
The first rose clutch pic that Sara linked is exactly what I was thinking of, but I really like the gerbara one. That would be fabulous.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Wouldn't the Gerbera look great with her hair?
I still like Callas. *grin
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I love the Gerbera one (get out of my head two you! out! it's already crowded in there with other friends).
And the callas are...awesome...as a flower in general. They very well might become my favorite flower.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
I wouldn't wear flowers, but you definitely need a colorful bouquet to set off that jacket -- which is lovely, by the way.
Forgive me for also thinking, with the geeky part of my brain, that a lightsaber would also complete the look.
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BTW, while I have a long-standing policy against giving money as a gift, I'd love to send a wedding present. That said, I also recognize that you haven't settled into a new place yet and don't know what you want -- and I don't want to ship you something that you're just going to have to move immediately. What are the odds that you two will register for gifts after the wedding?
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Wow! If I ever get married again (God forbid) I'm going to use Hatrack as my wedding planner. You all here have some great ideas as to what looks nice..
I like the Callas for their extreme purity of line, a line that echoes perfectly the curve of that upstanding neckline of the jacket. The Angelica bouquet at the Calla silks link would -- in just this one person's opinion -- be extraordinary.
But the Gerberas would be awesome, too. As would anything that Jamie ends up picking, I'm sure.
The Gerberas do seem the most "mack-ly" to me.
[ December 29, 2004, 12:04 PM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Tom, we're going to be moving into a townhouse in the coming month if everything (lease, etc) goes through. I'll let you know.
Oh man. A lightsaber. I have swords...
The first think my friends said last night was, "Dude! The Matrix!"
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
At first, I read that as "I hate swords". Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
Congratulations to you both! May you always make each other happy. Posted by Wendybird (Member # 84) on :
Congratulations to you both! I married at 19 and we're going on 13 yrs. It has been tremendously hard yet I can't express how worth it it has been. I would never change the decision even knowing the dark times we've gone through.
We drove from MD to AZ to UT for our "honeymoon" and it was quite nice. That was when I got introduced to OSC for the first time (his books anyway).
May God bless you both and may you both always work hard to keep the happiness you feel now Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
Did you know you can get mini calla lillies? We used them in my place settings. Also, it's perfectably acceptable to mix cream and white flowers in a bouquet. I did, because the roses that I wanted didn't come in white.
I love the outfit, mac. It's elegant and romantic all at the same time. I would still go with a garland, though. A very small, understated one. Also, the necklace should be very short - not much longer than a choker. You don't want it to fight with the lace.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
Congratulations, Mack and Nate! Good luck for the future.
Posted by jexx (Member # 3450) on :
Chuck and I had Gerberas (and Ivy) for our wedding. It was just lovely. Have you seen the pictures? I should email you some.
I also wore cream...oh, I wish I could lend you my "princess dress". Hehe. Aside from being Way Too Big, though, it's entirely not your style. Heh. I just wish I could lend it to someone, I think it's getting lonely in its garment bag. Sigh.
Posted by Scythrop (Member # 5731) on :
Congratulations Guys - and Mack, the outfit looks gorgeous; very elegant.
Enjoy the whole thing; the day itself and everything that follows.
We'll be thinking of you.
Cheers tony
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Alas, Speed, I'm lactose intolerant.
We've got Nathan a cream shirt and grey tie. It looks fantastic. I can't wait to see him in it. We did that before I read Mrs. M's post, must be the same wavelength or something, because my necklace is also a choker-type so it didn't interfere with the lace. o_O
I have more fashion sense than I'm willing to admit, but don't practice it much with myself because of body image problems.
My sister and one of my best friends took me to Victoria's Secret today. o_O
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Did you get what I told you to?
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I don't remember. It's all a blank.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Wow. What does blank underwear look like? Does that mean it doesn't have a logo on it -- which I'll freely admit is pretty rare for something you found at Vickie's -- or is it transparent?
(As a side note: Christy wore chain-mail. Really. *laugh*)
[ December 29, 2004, 10:30 PM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I dunno, but the underwear my sister was trying to convince me to get seemed pretty blank to me.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
...wouldn't that CHAFE!?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Poor mack clearly has PSTD. *pat pat* It's ok, sweetie. You're not the one who needs to remember what it looks like.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Sooooo, we gonna get pics of this shopping trip, too? *looks innocent*
[ December 29, 2004, 10:35 PM: Message edited by: ElJay ]
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
"...wouldn't that CHAFE!?"
I had the same overriding concern, despite the fact that she really cut quite a fine figure in the outfit, and consequently moved to extricate her from it as soon as the necessary pictures -- merely for documentation purposes -- were taken.
[ December 29, 2004, 10:35 PM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
My sister actually had to call off HER best friend from thrusting random panties and bras and nighties or whatever the hell they were into my face. I guess my sister picked up on my tone of voice and my nearness to popping Heather one.
Somehow, I don't think pictures would be prudent. No nighties, they all decided "it wasn't me." (Thank god, because that wasn't going to happen ANYway). We got new bras with the new size and I got to bond more with my sister by calling her into the trying on stall to make sure it fit right.
And I got dragged to the drugstore after.
Exhausted. Yup.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Before I got married, while I was still in Canada, I went on a lingerie shopping trip with one of my best friends. I have major body image problems, too, and it's partially due to being overweight. My friend is also overweight, which makes it easier to go shopping with her. And we've gone shopping together before, and it usually works out to her tossing me into a stall, throwing clothes at me, and seeing which ones stick.
She has incredible clothes sense for me. And I hate shopping. So it works out really well.
We did the same thing. She started throwing bras and all sorts of things at me, and they were my style, thankfully. She knows me well enough. And it sure made my life easier! Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
*nod* Lingerie shopping is exhausting.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Mrs. M, My son just saw you husband's picture and said, "Who's that, John Kerry?" hee hee. Your husband is much more handsome.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
"Lingerie shopping is exhausting."
It certainly is the way we do it.
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Why were you dragged to a drugstore? Buying condoms? Posted by Zeugma (Member # 6636) on :
What's that? Did someone say condoms?
Why, heck, I've just been itchin' for a chance to tell the world about the coolest birth control ev-ah!
Yes, that's right, ev-ah! I'm talkin' bout Depo-Provera, depo, The Shot.... also known as God's Gift to Women (who don't have bad side effects on it)™
'course, condoms are fine, too.
Edit: Wow, that has to be one of the oddest thread tangents ever! Or, should I say, ev-ah! Ohhh yeah.
[ December 29, 2004, 11:33 PM: Message edited by: Zeugma ]
Posted by JaneX (Member # 2026) on :
Congrats, Jamie and Nate!
*hugs*
~Jane~
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
quote: Yes, that's right, ev-ah! I'm talkin' bout Depo-Provera, depo, The Shot.... also known as God's Gift to Women (who don't have bad side effects on it)™
Glad you added that disclaimer! I'm one of those who had bad side effects. As in, gained 70 pounds. But heck, what's a little weight between friends?
On the other hand, it was also the first time in my life that I didn't have mind-numbing painful periods every two and a half weeks. So that was good.
quote: Always look on the bright side of life.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Documentation is very important, Tom. You must be rigorous in thoroughly documenting every such event.
Were I on hormonal birth control, I think I'd go for The Ring. (One ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them ...)
[ December 30, 2004, 06:31 AM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]
Posted by Jaiden (Member # 2099) on :
Hmmm... did anybody else smirk at the flower(s) to birth control change?
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
My sister had problems with The Ring...actually, my sister has had problems with all forms of oral contraceptive except one (Aless or something, she couldn't spell it). So after the bad experience I had with Yasmin, I'm going to try the one worked with my sister. Once I can figure out how to SPELL it.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Yeah, the shot wasn't right for me either. I practically had to buy stock in Tampax while I was on it.
space opera
Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
The One Ring isn't bad, much nicer than pills. It's the only kind of birth control we've found so far that doesn't make my cholesterol dangerously high. Stupid liver!
Gee, I hope your sister wasn't taking it orally, mack....
[ December 30, 2004, 04:30 PM: Message edited by: ludosti ]
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
The outfit is lovely, mack. But I wanted to send you one of my multitudinous veils, and I don't think it really needs one. Posted by Leonide (Member # 4157) on :
congrats, nate and mack!
could everyone on hatrack stop making Strider and I feel left behind?
by jatrequero standards, greg and i should be on kid number two by now.
*~*~*~*~*~*
quote: Depo-Provera, depo, The Shot.... also known as God's Gift to Women (who don't have bad side effects on it)™
Hideous! HIDEOUS!!!
I gained TWENTY POUNDS on depo and it turned me into a neurotic crying-machine. evil. I have RED STRETCH MARKS EVERYWHERE. Ironically i was on the shot for nine months, and it looks like i've been pregnant. hideous!
and i've read a multitude of horror stories *much worse* than mine. don't take it! don't!
Posted by Zeugma (Member # 6636) on :
Well, surely I'm not the ONLY one who's had a good time with the shot! I tried the pill first, which was fine, too, but I kept forgetting to take it. And now, not only do I only have four chances a year to forget to get the shot, I haven't had a single period in four years. Woo-freaking-hoo!
So yeah. It can be good. If it isn't really awful. Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
quote: And now, not only do I only have four chances a year to forget to get the shot, I haven't had a single period in four years.
*green with envy*
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
I think I would like to try this in the future. It is probably the lowest level Progesterone BC of any that use BC. And there are also Copper IUDs which have no hormones whatsoever.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Just remember, I react oddly to all types of medications.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
FWIW, copper IUDs work (we think) in part by setting up an environment which is not conducive to egg implantation. That is, it doesn't necessarily prevent the fertilization of the egg [although it does seem to affect this, as well], so if one believed that every fertilized egg should be protected as a sacred human life, this would pose a problem.
Zeugma, a lot of people are quite happy with the shot. It is a popular form of birth control, but like any form, some people will have problems. Doesn't mean it isn't an attractive option for some others [like you ].
[ December 30, 2004, 08:30 PM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
They just had an episode of House where there was a nun with a copper IUD...
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
[edited because I'm ashamed of myself]
[ December 30, 2004, 08:37 PM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Tease. Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Dammit! I didn't even get to SEE that one, Sara!
Posted by Zeugma (Member # 6636) on :
Woo-hoo! Well, I saw it, and it was raaaaaace-y! Yikes!
Posted by Theca (Member # 1629) on :
I saw it! Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
--I--
to you all.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
I was bad, very bad.
*shakes head sorrowfully
Why am I so wicked? Why must I bear this flaw in my character? Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
Mirena is only recommended for women who have had children already. They say they don't know *exactly* how it works....I seriously considered it after having Rainbow, but because they admit they're not 100% sure why it works, I wasn't assured that it wasn't possibly aborting fertilized eggs. My OB (a prolifer) had no problems with it, pointing out that he would see a higher incidence of ectopic pregnancy if inhospitable environment was its primary method of pregnancy prevention. Instead, he's seen nothing but good results. (My OB was tops. An absolute gem of a man with gentler hands than the female doc who delivered my son.) Timing was everything, though...I'd just finished reading Randy Alcorn's book on abortion, and not feeling totally secure that I wasn't losing a baby by using Mirena, I decided against it even though my doctor recommended it.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Jeniwren and Sara, that is a very important point to make, and thank you for making it. It is one of the reasons why we have not chosen this (yet).
It is my understanding that with Mirena the minute amount of synthetic progesterone is supposed to supress ovulation (as do other forms of progesterone BC). And there is some question that if fertilization can still happen with Mirena, then it can also happen with other forms of hormonal BC.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
quote:And there is some question that if fertilization can still happen with Mirena, then it can also happen with other forms of hormonal BC.
That is my understanding as well.
Posted by Leonide (Member # 4157) on :
I'll shortly be starting Ortho Evra. My gyno said it's the lowest hormonal form of Birth control. Which will be perfect since i'm very emotional and, apparently, incredibly sensitive to pregnancy hormones...
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
(To Sara) That's why latex is still our BC of choice.
[ December 30, 2004, 10:02 PM: Message edited by: beverly ]
Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
Oh, bev. We've hung with latex in the past as well, but for different reasons. Seems like every single form of birth control makes every month a 4-week long period for me. I've tried the pill, the shot, and an IUD. Before we began trying to conceive I did find that Yasmin seemed to work better for me, so maybe there's hope.
space opera
Posted by Anti-Chris (Member # 4452) on :
Holy heck, this thread has turned into a BC discussion. What's weird is that I find myself actually reading and paying attention.
BUT.... so.. uh.. how 'bout them Patriots? Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
Wow, Congratulations!!!
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Huh? What did the patriots do? Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Win. Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
This is the second weirdest topic I've ever seen.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
What's the first?
Posted by Uhleeuh (Member # 6803) on :
What was the first weirdest topic you've ever seen?
Edit: Hmph! Mack beat me.
[ January 01, 2005, 01:10 AM: Message edited by: Uhleeuh ]
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Soon, Nathan will get to be a part of my webcomic, too. Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
I think it would have to be the bra thread.
But this is a very, very close second.
Posted by LadyDove (Member # 3000) on :
Congrats Mac & T.
My husband and I got married after knowing each other for 8 years. When it comes to the success of a marriage, I don't think that it is the time spent dating that counts as much as the quality of time spent together once you're married.
I wish you both the best.
Posted by Sopwith (Member # 4640) on :
I'm a little late on this, but congratulations!
I've found that life will throw unimagined joys and earth-shaking losses at you. Both cases are better weathered with someone to hold on to.
May your days together be beautiful, your love be remembered by those who meet you, and may your marriage be blessed with more good than you could ever have hoped for.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Soppie, that was positively poetic! Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Wow, thank you.
Four days.
Posted by Dragon (Member # 3670) on :
Tomorrow!
(congrats Jamie and Nathan! May your life together be blessed)
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Not tomorrow, yet. We do stuff tomorrow, though, so yay for that!
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Congrats again, and let me know when you are back in town....Jenni and I are loking forward to having dinner at Goten again.
Kwea
Posted by esl (Member # 3143) on :
Happy Wedding.
Happy Marriage!
sorry I'm late.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Not late. It's Friday right now. Late would be Sunday.
Posted by esl (Member # 3143) on :
Good point. I meant late relative to everyone who posted two weeks ago, but you probably knew that Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
Remember that:
If your wife buys you two ties for your birthday, and you wear on the follwing morning, she might cry out "I KNEW you wouldn't like the other one!"...
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
Apologies, wives!
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
Jatraqueras are not that way. Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
So YOU claim! Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
Says the guy whose socks are the same since two weeks. Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
To the one wil more clothes than she can possibly remember buying. (Hey, you're a woman.)
BTW, I change socks twice a day, at least.
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
*Sarcastic* Why, you seem all fine to me...
Anyway, happy wedding, wedding night, honeymoon, life and death with your beloved one! (Not you, Anna!)
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
I could have guessed it was 8 months ago for us. *happy sigh*
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
And several years ahead of me.
Posted by BelladonnaOrchid (Member # 188) on :
I can't wait to hear how it went! Hurry up and get hitched already!
...And by the way, congradulations if I haven't said so already. May you both have good vibes for the entirety of your lives together.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Um, Kewa? Goten? Sans moi? You know, that would be a good place for the Post Wedding Picnic...
[ January 07, 2005, 09:06 PM: Message edited by: Elizabeth ]
Posted by Psycho Triad (Member # 3331) on :
Hurray for Mr. & Mrs. HotNathan.
Does this mean that Nate's site (www.hotnathan.com) should officially have " back off, he's taken " warning labels?
Posted by Trisha the Severe Hottie (Member # 6000) on :
perhaps "gotnathan.com" should replace it.
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
And a fine site it is. Take a look at the "recent comments" on the left side.
Oh, and it has a forum, with 9 users and one topic. I say we all register on that forum and move our entire operation over there for one week, just to freak him out. That'll teach him to steal Nate's domain name.
[ January 08, 2005, 12:37 PM: Message edited by: Speed ]
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
*I am pulling a Sara here and not saying what i am thinking.*
Today is the day they are getting married, right? What time? Are they married?
Posted by Theca (Member # 1629) on :
Here is what she told me about the ceremony:
quote:Time and place will be his church at 1pm followed by a late lunch at a brazilian restaurant.
Utah time is three hours behind the forum time, right?
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
Again, congrats and I'll post here on the 9th, USA time(s), to see how it went.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
It's at two pm Utah time which is 4pm EST. So, it's in two hours. We're taking a break then getting ready.
Actually having dinner at the Olive Garden afterwards. We'll be posting later. I have my sister taping it and one of my best friends taking pictures and stuff.
*taps fingers*
two hours.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
Good luck to both of you and congratulations!
Posted by Speed (Member # 5162) on :
Olive Garden?
Too bad... I thought I was going to be able to work out which Brazilian restaurant it was and come crash. I was even going to dress as Cupid, but I was going to be sporting a compound bow and shooting steel-tipped hunting arrows into the crowd.
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