Couldn't we be both ?
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
No.
Don't be silly.
Posted by WheatPuppet (Member # 5142) on :
I think I spell "Jatraquero" wrong, and it's not in spellcheck. Is it okay to spell it wrong, on occasion?
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
Then why ?
Posted by Amka (Member # 690) on :
I don't care. I say, let people call themselves what they want, be it Jatraquero, Hatracker, Hatcracker or Orson's Number One Fan.
What are you really, Scott. Eh? Didn't I read something about frozen custard and comic books somewhere around here?
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Who am I?
2-4-6-0-OOOOOOOOOOONE!
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Anna, what would it be in French?
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
I thought Scott was OSC's #2 fan, because being #1 was just creepy.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
I'm not his number one fan, no matter what I might have said, or what I might yet say.
I am his most inscrutable fan, as I pointed out in my 'Random Mutterings of Me' thread.
In fact, I'm just plain inscrutable to everyone.
Sara may try, but I have my anti-scrute armor, +3 vs. Rational People, on at all times.
Posted by David Bowles (Member # 1021) on :
Please continue using jatraqueros. aka and I receive a penny every time you do.
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
Maybe we should just call ourselves 'hats'. Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
Hmm. Perhaps you should explain, oh venerable one, why it shouldn't be Hatrackers. Some of us newer members don't know why it's that way, and perhaps we shall respect your ancient tradition more if you explain it.
space opera, bowing low before the Old Ones of Hatrack
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote: bowing low before the Old Ones of Hatrack
I wouldn't do that . . . it makes it too easy for them to whack you on the back of the neck with their canes.
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
Or to insert their probiscuseses into your head and slurp your brain out.
Posted by David Bowles (Member # 1021) on :
It is tradition, young braves, and the People respect tradition unquestioningly...
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Because 'Jatraqueros' looks more sophisticated and sounds better than 'Hatrackers.'
Duh.
Plus, David and aka get a penny every time it's used. And, with both of them being in the deep south, they need all the money they can get.
Poor things. Do it for David and his eight dogs.
Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
Silly rivka! I was bowing low 'cause I have a laser in the top of my head. All the better to disintegrate them with and all.
There's a new Hatracker Sheriff in town.
space opera
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Wow, this thread has gotten surprisingly violent.
Posted by Hatracker Sheriff (Member # 7219) on :
It's okay, purty lady. I will take good care of Hatrack, and protect against evil-doers. Stay on my good side, and you shall never feel the skin-dissolving sting of my laser.
Hatrack Sheriff
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
I like Space Opera too much to do that, but if no one sings "I shot the sheriff" I would be quite surprised. BTW, we should be Hatrackois. Or Hatrackiens.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
--I--
Posted by Hatracker Sheriff (Member # 7219) on :
Crap. Perhaps I should change my name to "Hatracker Deputy."
Hatracker Sheriff
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
Sounds less risky to me.
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
I never liked jatraqueros, and I've never used it other then to point out I don't like it. I don't really feel any strong need to "spanglify" myself, because I feel absolutely no identification with hispanic culture or language. I think most of us here aren't hispanic, and don't have any real connection to the culture, and one of the aspects of american culture I find to be most idiotic is the attempt to belong to another culture in order to be "cool."
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
Hatrackois or Hatrackiens would be WICKED cool because no one in America does names people from a place that way.
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
Speaking of Jatraqueros, I currently own the domain rights for jatraqueros.com and jatraqueras.com. If anybody would like to do something with them, let me know.
-Bok
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
How comes ?
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
*Does not like the word "scrute"*
Posted by Amka (Member # 690) on :
I think this post shows your true colors, Scott:
quote: Dear Orson Scott Card:
Orson, I'm your number one fan.
I know everything about you.
Please share some frozen custard with me, and I'll show you my comic book collection.
How about Arras, Luneville, and Mulhouse?
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
It always depends on the town, we don't have one unique form because the way people who lived in this town called themselves evolved with language. People living in Paris are parisiens, for exemple, and people who live in Marseille marseillais, people who live in Pau are pallois, and so on and so on. So you don't really have a way to guess it if you don't know it.
[ January 06, 2005, 11:11 AM: Message edited by: Anna ]
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
I was alwasy fond of "Hatrackites", but I'm afraid that I was the only one. These days I generally use "Hatracker".
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I'm an OSC-fan. Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
He's OSC-Fan ! Burn him !
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Amka--
Stop being silly.
It's uncalled for, really it is.
:disappointed:
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
I always thought we should be Card-iacs.
Posted by Amka (Member # 690) on :
Your anti-scrute armor has no power over irrational pregnant ladies.
Hah!
Posted by Hatracker Sheriff (Member # 7219) on :
mph/osc-fan, I'm gonna have to put you in the stocks till we get this settled. So get along, little doggie, and remember....I have a laser in my head.
Yeee-haw! We're a'havin' us a Hatracker trial!
Hatracker Sheriff
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
Orsonite!
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
We should try to know if he weights like a duck. And if so... BURN HIM !
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
"Card-iacs".
I don't see what's with the whole "Jatraquero" thing anyway. Why on earth would we need to say "Hatracker" in artificial Spanish? I prefer "Hatracker". It's English, it's easier to spell, and it's gender neutral.
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
Uh Paul, I really don't think people that refer to the community as a bunch of "Jatraqueros" are in any way trying to "Spanglify" anyone...
I think most people who use the word just think it sounds cool. Ahhhh, the simplicity of our tiny minds. Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
Verily, didn't you hear? Anglo Saxon is so last season.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I like them both, but I never remember how to spell Jaquertieos....see?
Kwea
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
Anglo-Saxon is always in.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
I thought it was a tip of the hat to the portugeeseish culture found on Lusistania (sp? I have a raging headache) Sort of like we were a different form of sentient life like the porquenos(sp? -headache)
AJ
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
"Uh Paul, I really don't think people that refer to the community as a bunch of "Jatraqueros" are in any way trying to "Spanglify" anyone..."
Maybe not trying to spanglify anyone, but thats exactly whats happening. Take an english word, transliterate it into spanish, add a spanish ending, for purposes of sounding and looking cool?
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
YES!
Duh!
And Jatraqueros/as/a/o DOES sound cooler than Hatracker.
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
I disagree. It sounds more SPANISH then hatracker.
The whole process of adapting a culture because its "cool" is very destructive. Its, in large part, what blacks, hispanics, women, jews, muslims, hindus, etc. have had to overcome. The idea that one culture is superior to another.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Pfft.
You're silly, Paul.
Posted by jexx (Member # 3450) on :
But it's not spanglification.
It's portugeuification (I've caught the sp? headache)...I think...
In any case it is a cool word.
But use whatever word you like.
Far be it from me to attempt the spreading of memes to unwilling hosts.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
I propose you go with the much simpler "Daghead."
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
I am a Daghead.
*becomes a Daghead
Ahhh ...
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
I am a Daguerro. You know the type.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
*owwwwww
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Thank you, Sara.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
The quality of your puns puts you in the elite class, Liz. I know, because I pico'ed.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
at Liz.
We are, of course, the elite, leading the way forward.
Edit: Doh! Repeated pun, do to leaving the reply window open too long.
I'll have to be satisfied with the leading reference, even if it was a little kerny.
[ January 06, 2005, 12:46 PM: Message edited by: Dagonee ]
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Jinx.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
(I was more on the ball. [/archaic reference] )
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
That pun was great. It Selectric!
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
*holding tummy, groaning
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Get Control of yourself, Sara.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
I only post puns for the helvetica.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
I think your puns have more of a function than that, Dag.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
ScottR, February 2nd, 2002:
quote: Jatraqueros looks better, sounds better- if you were to ask Slash, I'm sure he'd say they taste better too.
I'm stunned. This has clearly been a great source of anguish for Scott.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
I suppose we eventually had to leave the puns and Return to the original subject.
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
I think Jatraqueros sounds cool. Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
[censors self, for the children]
*remorseful
[ January 06, 2005, 02:00 PM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
You realize, Sara, that every time you edit yourself like that it just kicks our imagination into overdrive, and we probably come up with worse things than you actually posted in the first place.
So, for the children, you should probably start just leaving them there. Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
Sara, I saw your post.
This thread has got me thinking about something I've been meaning to bring up for awhile as a question of interest. Of course, this might have already been discussed to death.
I often feel like Hatrack is divided into 2 factions - those who knew Slash, David Bowles, Jon Boy, Ralphie (who else??) and those who don't. I met Ralphie in chat a bit ago, and she's very cool, I agree - and David B. has posted recently. But I remember thinking when I was brand-new "who in the heck are these people that keep being mentioned but don't post here anymore?"
I've heard rumors of The Great Leaving - is that the time the most-oftened mentioned people left?
space opera
[ January 06, 2005, 02:09 PM: Message edited by: Space Opera ]
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
SO:
Some people like to use revisionist history to claim that The Great Leaving was a description of some point in the past; real Jatraqologists believe, with all their heart, that it refers to the End Times, where all those who have received their OSC milestone post count gifts will be invited, all expenses paid, to OSC's bungalow-palace in East Tonga. There will be much gnashing of the teeth, and ping-pong playing. THen we'll all hop into the pool and sip on Mai-Tai's.
Oh, and hatrack.com will be turned off at that point.
-Bok
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
PS: You forget to mention a third class: those who remember then all the above were newbies.
-Bok
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
I don't know if there was a specific "Great Leaving" or not. I know in the case of several "notables" a variety of things happened which caused them to be infrequent. Not necessarily any one thing, but job changes, life changes etc.
I also think some of the jatraquero/as that were the most giving were inadvertantly taken from by the community and drained emotionally dry without anyone realizing it was happening. Sometimes it becomes a boundary setting issue and the way to set the boundary is to remove yourself for a while. I've had ebbs and flows myself.
I also think when the "greats" you were referring to were here frequently, and I was a newbie, they were referring to even more ancient posters that I didn't know as you refer to these.
(Bonducca comes to mind and as I recall she did leave because of a tiff but I never knew her.)
AJ
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
I am a wicked, wicked, wicked woman.
*hangs head in shame
[What an appropriate smilie, Space Opera. ]
[ January 06, 2005, 02:20 PM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
quote:Some people like to use revisionist history to claim that The Great Leaving was a description of some point in the past; real Jatraqologists believe, with all their heart, that it refers to the End Times, where all those who have received their OSC milestone post count gifts will be invited, all expenses paid, to OSC's bungalow-palace in East Tonga. There will be much gnashing of the teeth, and ping-pong playing. THen we'll all hop into the pool and sip on Mai-Tai's.
Oh, and hatrack.com will be turned off at that point.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
*shrug* Bonduca is overrated. She was fun, but she was only around for a few months. She is remembered by many posters, I suspect, through a haze of idealism. That's not to say that she wasn't great to have around, but it would be an exaggeration to say that her departure -- or her arrival -- changed the tone of the forum in any measurable way.
There have been people whose departures were instantly and immediately felt. The earliest I can recall would be D. Michael Martindale and John Hansen, but that's not to imply that there haven't been many more since whom we miss terribly.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:What an appropriate smilie, Space Opera.
This convinces me you deserve a good-natured .
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
I still think of Jon Boy as a newbie. All the others were the old greats when I joined.
Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
Sara - too right!
Bok, I never thought I'd say it, but geez the End Times sound like great fun. I think I'll get a t-shirt with that saying.
*dreamy tone* Perhaps, one day far into the future, people will speak of the great one known as The Opera.
space opera
Posted by Javert Hugo (Member # 3980) on :
That reminds me - I'm due for another milestone present. *peeks in mailbox* It's probably with quid's gift in the office. Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Wouldn't they send it to Frisco now?
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
TomD: Bonduca's prescence was felt more strongly by the parachatters, among others. My recollection was that she was quite influential for 8 months to a year. In any event, I think this shows the vastness of the Hatrack society.
I personally miss Barbara Walton, who started the Battle School email list over 9 years ago that I joined, and that got me started in Hatrack (when VBS moved to Hatrack). For you VBSers, your student bio sheets are almost exactly like the ones thought up by someone (not me) on the mailing list in early 1996. It always makes me smile to see it's still there.
-Bok
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
[censors self again, on the verge of imposing temporary self-banishment]
[ January 06, 2005, 02:40 PM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
That's what I thought. Naughty Zoot!
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
You must not encourage me.
Propriety, propriety -- why can I not remember my propriety?
*has a fit of the vapours
[ January 06, 2005, 02:41 PM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
*Fetches Sara her smelling salts*
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
NO!
Let her stay unconscious.
We can shave her head better that way.
:buzz:
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
[no more Hatrack for today]
I shock myself sometimes, I really really do.
[ January 06, 2005, 02:50 PM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]
Posted by jexx (Member # 3450) on :
CT!!!
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
(sorry sorry sorry! let me take a day to reflect on my faults, of which there are many )
Posted by Javert Hugo (Member # 3980) on :
Wow. I think you may have embarassed ScottR. Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Good. ScottR made me laugh out loud in front of a class of high school students diligently working on their semester exams.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
I like the "Jatraquero" tag.
quote:I thought it was a tip of the hat to the portugeeseish culture found on Lusistania
by David Bowles? No effing way.
-o-
I guess I'm part of SO's first group. I've noticed the drop off in "Jatraqueros," and even the occasional posts against it. Well, communities, like most things, change over time. But I will be sad to see this meme fall into disuse. Can't we have our inexplicable, cloudy-origined traditions? I think such things add to a community, because they create a sense of longevity. Sure, they make it harder to fit right in, at first, but I believe they make the community a bit more meaningful when you finally do pick up on all the little conventions.
There is something to be said for tradition.
If that just makes me old, or mean or standoffish or something, so be it.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Maybe Hatrack is such a mature culture that there is an ancient, "dead" language like Latin.
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
The mention of names like Barbara Walton and John Hansen make me feel really really old.
It's only an illusion, though - I was just very very young when I was around back in those days.
Bok - I don't remember you being that old. Were you always Bok?
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
I always use Jatraqueros/as. Because it sounds cool, mainly .
Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
Ok, in all honestly either tag is fine with me. But simply because I'm sassy I will point out that on Hatrack's main page there is a letter to "Hatrackers" from OSC.
space opera
Posted by Javert Hugo (Member # 3980) on :
I just figured out to whom the original post was addressed.
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
Annie, pretty much. Betwen '96 and '99 (and even a fair bit beyond) I was pretty much a lurker. I was "Erik" in Battle School way at the eginning, and I dabbled in some Hatrak River 1830s. I remember the Hansens and Waltons of the world (especially if someone else mentions them . WAAAY back, in the first incarnation of the board, I posted under my actual name, I think. And despite what TomD thinks, it was in a format that pre-dates the ML that you see in the Wayback machine (archive.org), though it may just have been an early version of BML.
-Bok
Posted by WheatPuppet (Member # 5142) on :
quote:But simply because I'm sassy I will point out that on Hatrack's main page there is a letter to "Hatrackers" from OSC.
I'm glad you mentioned that, SO, because I never would of noticed it on my own.
[edit] I know "Jatraquero" predates me when I first started posting here in... what? 2002? I remember some of the "old mythos" referenced by the vetrans. I was eated by Slash (crispied, first, I believe). I remember Thor ranting in all capital letters. I remember a few uproars, although the details I cannot reacal.
[ January 06, 2005, 10:11 PM: Message edited by: WheatPuppet ]
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
If "Jatraquero" is supposed to be Portuguese, then it doesn't contain any noise resembling the "H" of "Hatrack". The Portuguese "J" makes a "zh" sound, like in French.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
Interestingly enough, that's how I pronounce the term "Jatraquero" anyway, although I know it is supposed to be an "h".
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote: If "Jatraquero" is supposed to be Portuguese, then it doesn't contain any noise resembling the "H" of "Hatrack". The Portuguese "J" makes a "zh" sound, like in French.
This is true. If it were Portugese, it should be Ratraquero.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
A portuguese "r" sounds like an english "h"?
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Only if it's at the beginning of a word.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
You all don't remember David_Bowles and his legendary debates with Jacare Sorridente on the inferiority of the Portuguese language, but trust me, jatraqueros is not Portuguese.
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
That looks cooler anyway. Maybe we should call ourselves Ratraqueros from now on. Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Sounds good to me.
<-- ratraquero
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
Boo yeah, keep those royalty checks rolling in. They are what enables me to live in this luxurious splendor to which I am accustomed. <waves arms around vaguely at second-hand cat-clawed furnishings>
Actually, I think I am one of the worst offenders. I generally find myself saying "hatrackers", mainly because it's gender neutral. I think jatraqueros/as is extremely cool, though, and am tickled to be considered co-creator of the term, though I really think David Bowles should take full credit.
What I really really want, in lieu of the enormous sums in royalties that are due to me and currently outstanding, is one of those "kiss me, I'm a jatraquera" t-shirts from kamacon. I am very sorry I missed the opportunity to get one of those when they were going. They look great on everyone in the pictures.
A certain baby brother of mine is reported to have one, even, despite the gender bending implications. <makes puppy eyes> <suggests the possibility of homemade cookies in someone's future>
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Tatiana -- what other screen names have you used? Who are you?
The word Jatraquero *is* gender-neutral.
[ January 06, 2005, 10:59 PM: Message edited by: mr_porteiro_head ]
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
That's anne kate.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Porter, she's none other than Anne Kate, aka aka.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Curse you, Icarus, and you speedy fingers!
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Thanks.
<-- ratraquero
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
I want a T-shirt like that, too.
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
Porter, don't you know me?
It's supposed to be gender neutral, like the phrase "man forging his destiny", but it still would feel weird to use that as the title of a statue of a pregnant chick with a baby on one hip and a toddler by the hand, you know? So it's not REALLY gender-neutral, cause most people who saw a statue like that would probably think the nondepicted father was the person named in the title.
Anna, now if we can just get together 8 more people who want one, we could do another run on cafepress for a reasonable price! Otherwise, (and assuming we can pry one loose from Noah or someone else), I defer to you, since having a t-shirt like that which is not in the native language of the county in which you reside would just be so so cool!
[ January 07, 2005, 03:21 AM: Message edited by: Tatiana ]
Posted by fiazko (Member # 5812) on :
*poof*
*takes credit for the idea of putting the phrase on a t-shirt*
*poof*
(Too bad the thread that proves it no longer exists. )
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
Wait. Does that mean that the "Rio" in "Rio de Janeiro" is pronounced "Hio"?
Posted by JemmyGrove (Member # 6707) on :
I consider myself a Jatraquero, a small part of a diverse community of many Jatraqueri . . .
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
Verily, yes. It's really pronounced "Hio je Janayro."
I can't bring myself to pronounce it like that to anyone anymore because I always get strange looks.
Jemmy, what language is "Jatraqueri?" Latin?
(It's funny, my beginning sentence looks like I'm beginning my own scripture writing career. *snicker*)
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
I think the proper term is "Hatcracker," as we all know.
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
*snort*
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
Narnia, lol! "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, a D in Portuguese is sometimes pronounced with a J sound."
That would explain why Saudade sounds like sowdajee. I've always wondered that!
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
Oh, I thought it was "hatcrackhead".
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
at aka
Js are pronounced in portuguese too, which is why I pronounce "Jatraqueros" wrong in my head most of the time. I say it with a soft j sound and everyone else uses the "h." Too bad. Posted by Beanny (Member # 7109) on :
Ah, just because our beloved Bean is living an Araraquara, it doesn't mean that we must speak the same language as him...
I know, it's the most convenient way of imitating one of the most intruiging characters ever invented, but it is also quite pathetic.
If you're trying to be original, I strongly reccomend...
Hairy Trackers.
-Beanny
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
Portuguese pronunciation is darned tricky. And I want to actually learn this accursed language?
Not that I'm going to pronounce "Rio de Janeiro" any differently in English speech, mind you. "Rio day Zha-narrow" is the established pronunciation in English, and the only one most English speakers will even understand. But still, it's useful knowing how actual Brazilians would say it.
quote:Jemmy, what language is "Jatraqueri?" Latin?
Only if the singular form were "Jatraquerus". Which, I should point out, would be pronounced "Yatra-queroos". Yes, the Latin "qu" is the same as the English "qu". If we wanted to make a Latin form of "Hatracker", I think it would probably be "Hatracerus". Plural "Hatraceri". Feminine "Hatracera". Feminine plural "Hatracerae". The Latin "H" makes the same sound as English, and the "C" is always hard (think "K" sound), even before an "E".
*Tries to think of a language where the singular "O" becomes a plural "I".*
Ah, I've got it! Italian! Of course, we have the same "J" problem with Italian, in that the Italian "J" sounds, not like an English "H", but like an English "Y".
But then, there is as little reason to render it into Italian or Latin as into Spanish. If we must use any non-English language, Portuguese makes the most sense. This is OSC, after all.
So yeah, I think I'd prefer to stick with "Ratraquero". Posted by JemmyGrove (Member # 6707) on :
Wow. And I thought I was smart. I have to go retreat to my little world of self-delusionment now. Back to Yatrack River.
[ January 08, 2005, 08:48 PM: Message edited by: JemmyGrove ]
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Hatrack'll do that to you Jemmy! Welcome to the forums, by the way--don't think I've greeted you directly.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
Who cares what word gets used? As long as it looks like it contains some derivative of the word "hatrack" in it when you're looking at it sideways, you'll know what it means.
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
Wait a minute Verily, the "c" in Hatraceri would be a "ch" sound, would it not? In church latin I believe that's the case. In Germanic latin we'd probably hear a "ts" sound so it would sound like "A-tra-tse-ree." (I've never ever pronounced the "H" as an english H. I've always been told that it's supposed to be silent.)
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
Ah, but the pronunciation of "Church" Latin is based on Italian. The Catholic Church today pronounces Latin, not as Latin, but as if it were a form of Italian. I was referring to Classical Latin. The Latin as spoken by the Roman civilization itself, such as Cicero used to such devastating effect.
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
So they used he "h" sound? Really???
Well, as long as we've gotten that cleared up. Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
Yes, the "H" in classical Latin was pronounced. If we could go back in time and write the word "Hatracerus", show it to Cicero, and ask him to say it out loud, he would say "Hatrakeroos". I'm not sure how the "H" became silent in most (or all?) of the modern Romance languages, but in Latin it was not.
Posted by JemmyGrove (Member # 6707) on :
Thanks Neomon. I've been a closet Jatcraquejed for years, and I've decided I'd like to try to break out of my shell.
Incidentally, I take great delight in mixing my linguistics -- since I often don't know how to say it right I figure I'll just say something that sounds like it could be right somewhere. Which leaves a great deal of leeway.
Posted by Lisha-princess (Member # 6966) on :
Thanks to this fine thread, I *finally* understand what all this "Jatraquero" business. (I was lost, believe you me.) I think it's quite fun. It rolls off the tongue. I've been saying it to myself over and over on and off for about a day now, just because it's so fun to say. Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
That's interesting Jemmy. It would be odd to be in a situation where you felt like you knew everybody else in the room fairly well, but none of them knew you. Tell us a bit about yourself!
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote: Portuguese pronunciation is darned tricky.
Not really. It's a bit more complicated then, say, Spanish, but it is extremely regular. Once you know the rules, there's nothing else to learn. If you see a Portugese word written down, there is only one way it can be pronounced. There are almost no irregularly pronounced words in Portuges.
It mostly works the other way, but not quite. There's one sound I think of that has three different ways of spelling it, but that's it. Other than that, it's simple to know how to spell a word if you know how to pronounce it.
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
I just feel special because he's alREADY a good friend of mine, so I want to share the wealth.
[edit: DRAT! I can't link directly to a post. I'm a moron.]
[ January 10, 2005, 12:07 AM: Message edited by: Narnia ]
Posted by JemmyGrove (Member # 6707) on :
Was there something wrong with your link? Worked fine for me.
Neomon, I really don't feel like I know many people very well. I recognize lots of screen names, and quite a few of your screen 'voices' are familiar to me (I tend to gravitate toward peacemaker types and I'm afraid of those who seem to enjoy stirring up controversy). I'm constantly impressed by the community here. Jatraqueros are so dang smart! And civil. And compassionate.
Narnia beat me to linking my introduction post, which is good since I don't yet know how to link. I tend to be introverted, although my social needs are really strong. I can be very open about personal things and sensitive issues. Still single, no family yet, expect that'll change eventually. I'm a music NUT. I love Robert Heinlen, PDQ Bach, and Middle-Earth Role Playing. And long walks on the beach . . .
Oh, and if you let me get started, I talk too much.
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
quote: I guess I'm part of SO's first group. I've noticed the drop off in "Jatraqueros," and even the occasional posts against it. Well, communities, like most things, change over time. But I will be sad to see this meme fall into disuse. Can't we have our inexplicable, cloudy-origined traditions? I think such things add to a community, because they create a sense of longevity. Sure, they make it harder to fit right in, at first, but I believe they make the community a bit more meaningful when you finally do pick up on all the little conventions.
There is something to be said for tradition.
If that just makes me old, or mean or standoffish or something, so be it.
You and I should totally be the Statler and Waldorf of Hatrack, Icky.
We're curmudgeonly enough, and I'm rather taken with the idea of morphing into an oddly-endearing gray-headed old man. Puppet.
Puppet-man.
[ January 10, 2005, 03:41 AM: Message edited by: Ralphie ]
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
"Well, that was different . . . "
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Stop picking on Fozzie Bear!
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
quote:"Well, that was different . . . "
Yes. Lousy, but different.
(Let's be talking about Dag, shall we?)
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Who was the initial post addressed to?
Posted by Lady Jane (Member # 7249) on :
The person who called us Hatrackers in big, bold letters?
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
Dagonee. Right now they're all about Dag.
Sheesh, Scott. Look ma! No brains!
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
LJ-- I can say for certain I did not address the initial post at OSC. Though, I wish he did use Jatraqurero rather than Hatracker.
On that point, this community self-identifies. Even when folks from this community associate with one another on other BB's, the base connection is Hatrack. And Jatraquero is the term that defines us-- whether we be Dagonee, or Ralphie.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Are those the only two options?
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Well, YOU'RE right out, bud.
I've had enough of your cynicism.
You're not even a Hatracker.
Tom the -ker. That's your official. . . culturedom.
The '-' is prounouced like a little click of the tongue, by the way.
Tom the 'click-ker'.
Heh.
I'm Astounding.
[ January 10, 2005, 01:18 PM: Message edited by: Scott R ]
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
"This thread is certainly moving . . . "
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
I recently saw Tad Williams at a signing, and was absolutely overjoyed to finally get a decent pronunciation of !Xabbu. Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Tom, I was thinking of !Xabbu when I wrote the above.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Icarus (I'm usurping Ralphie's spot)-- "But so are my bowels! Doesn't mean that it's a good thing!"
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
Damn you, Scott!
"You know, this forum really improves with age."
[ January 10, 2005, 01:38 PM: Message edited by: Ralphie ]
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:And Jatraquero is the term that defines us-- whether we be Dagonee, or Ralphie.
Talk about a no-win situation - what if I want to be Ralphie?
I mean, who wouldn't?
[ January 10, 2005, 02:47 PM: Message edited by: Dagonee ]
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
That would be a bad lot for you, Dag. You wouldn't get anything done. Not only would you be way less smart, but you'd also just stay home and play with your boobs all day.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
I have no response to that statement.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Well done, Lawboy.
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
Not that I'm doing that, of course.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
*scrutes Ralphie
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
One could argue that as a lawyer he will be playing with boobs all day on a regular basis.
Where is Elizabeth when you need her?
AJ
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
quote: One could argue that as a lawyer he will be playing with boobs all day on a regular basis.
Genius.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
And he'd get to play with them in public too!
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
But he wouldn't be staying home all day.
And therein lies the rub. So to speak.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
AJ
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
In fact, I'm sure, on occasion, after he passes the bar, Dagonee will spend all day defending the innocence of boobs in public. It's definitely a noble cause Dags, don't fight it.
[ January 10, 2005, 04:06 PM: Message edited by: BannaOj ]
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
I think Dag is going to school to be a prosecuting attorney.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Well, no one told me there was ongoing persecution of boobs that needed to be stopped!
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
You clearly were never a premanturely developing young girl. Then you would understand boob oppression.
And if you were, I apologize for my insensitivity and assure you that - if the pictures are any indication - in surgery they did a bang up job!
(What were we talking about, again?)
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Your boobs, Ralphie...
Is there any other topic between Hatrackers?
[ January 11, 2005, 01:51 AM: Message edited by: Kwea ]
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
A blast from the past. Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
Lordy!
What brought that on, Kwea?
*grin*
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
*sigh*
I miss Ralphie. Sometimes I need a reminder of how awesome she was. I remember that she was awesome, but I forget just how awesome.
(I know that she would hate being talked of this way. I know she got tired of all the "Ralphie!!!!1! *tackle*" posts when she would lurk by. But I'm laying down this bit-o-Ralphie-lovin' in her absence, and I'm going to assume that's alright.)
And Scott, the correct response is "I wish they would move it to Pittsburgh!"
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I liked Ralphie. She was cool in chat, and pretty funny. I didn't (and don't) put her on a pedestal, but she was one of the people who I use to look for in chat because she made me laugh.
I found a link to this in another thread, and thought some of the newer people here might enjoy it.
I don't do thread resurrection much, but this one was fun.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Yep, it was. Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
I don't know what "putting her on a pedestal" really means. She was a ton of fun to have around. Definitely one of the most entertaining people to have any kind of repartee with. She was one of the people who made me feel like I had discovered, in Hatrack, my own personal Algonquin Round Table. I could never keep up with her, but I enjoyed trying. If that's putting her on a pedestal, so be it. *shrug*
I fondly remember the night she and I decided, over AIM, to sign all our posts for the next 24 hours with "j/k " to try to either goad Tom out of doing that, or to remind people not to be so sensitive, lest they drive everyone to that extreme. Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
I also loved the little wars she would have with Patrick. Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
quote:And Scott, the correct response is "I wish they would move it to Pittsburgh!"
:wakes up a bit:
Naw, man-- that was you and Ralphie's game. I'm Scooter.
Posted by KarlEd (Member # 571) on :
I miss Rita Spankmistress. <sigh>
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Now that you say that, Scott, I can totally see it. Posted by David Bowles (Member # 1021) on :
:quietly collects accumulated pennies:
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
This was a great thread to bump, Kwea. Gave me a great big smile first thing this morning..
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Everytime someone uses the word Jatraquero, DB and aka got royalties. They were responsible for the...*ahem*...coining of the phrase.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Aw, man. Now that Ic removed his post, mine doesn't make any cents...
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
quote:Originally posted by David Bowles: :quietly collects accumulated pennies:
:quietly taxes royalties:
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Sorry . . . my brain finally clicked, and I removed the question because I had figured out my own answer. I didn't realize it had been replied to.
<--- working on two hours' sleep
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
*peeks head in*
*looks around*
*whiffles the jatraqueros*
*hasty retreat*
Posted by David Bowles (Member # 1021) on :
quote::quietly taxes royalties:
:quietly hires Republican accountant to find loopholes:
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
:quietly lobbies Republican senator to attatch a measure that will raise taxes on royalties and close loopholes to a highway spending bill:
Posted by Pat (Member # 879) on :
Ralphie wasn't that great, she couldn't hold a candle to me in a battle of will. Or anything else, for that matter.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Well, you definitely had a bigger rack than her.
Posted by Pat (Member # 879) on :
Well, that's not sayin much.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
In your case, what I'm saying could only be held up by three strong Samoans and a wrap around deck.
Oh, yeah-- you suck.
Posted by Pat (Member # 879) on :
--l--
Posted by David Bowles (Member # 1021) on :
Now, now, boys...
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Did Patricia have surgery? Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Pat and ScottR bickering. Why, it's just like old times! *wipes away happy tear*
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Pat and I never really bickered until he left Hatrack.
quote:Did Patricia have surgery?
Yes. A reduction.
quote:--l--
:claps:
Who knew that you could raise your arm high enough to actually pull off a deuce? Put it down, though-- you're unbalancing the Samoans.
You suck, Pat.
Posted by David Bowles (Member # 1021) on :
Pat chunked a deuce? Huh? Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Not that kind of deuce.
In this case, I'm referring to Strongbad's tendendency to throw "double deuces;" that is, flipping the bird to someone with both hands. "Deucing" was a common occurance back in Pat's day-- although I don't think it was called that, the term and its origins are well-known. Mack started it; Pat is merely parroting that behavior.
Obviously, I couldn't say Pat 'double-deuced' me-- graphically, there's only one finger displayed. I'm assuming his other hand is helping the Samoans support the weight of his torso. (That's rather charitable of me... Pat is not known for his helpful mannerisms. Realistically, he's probably using his other hand to steal candy from babies.)
Posted by David Bowles (Member # 1021) on :
(yes, I know... I was being funny)
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Says you.
Posted by David Bowles (Member # 1021) on :
Touché. El sentido de humor es una cuestión de gustos, eso sí.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Eso es!
(hairband lights up)
:dies:
Posted by Pat (Member # 879) on :
Scott R you obviously are very stupid. EVERYONE knows, and even Mack will attest to the fact that it was I who invented --I-- and that Mack pretty much stole my copyright on it (although she did agree to pay 25 cents per use.)
Your level of stupidity ranks right up there with Ralphie's.
Posted by Pat (Member # 879) on :
Oh, and
--I-- --I--
Posted by Pat (Member # 879) on :
And it's nice to see you Bro. Bowles. How are the missionary discussions coming?
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