Hatrack River Forum: Enough fluff!

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Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :

I know these things go in cycles, but really, this is ridiculous. So let me try to spark some debate with this link. Is the CIA now kidnapping German / European citizens on the grounds of their looking vaguely Arabic? And if they are, what should Germany and the EU do about it? In the old days, we'd have sent in the gunboats over this. An extremely stiff note of protest and a demand for compensation would seem to be the least possible reaction.

Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :

::pat pat::

Posted by Insanity Plea (Member # 2053) on :

I agree with the excess of fluff.

I'd like to see the outcome of that investigation, if what he says is true, I'd really like a full, independent investigation on what's happening overseas. These stories are starting to rack up and I'll say, with each new allegation (true or false) it becomes just so much more dangerous for any American that is abroad, and our credibility as a nation falls so much more.
Satyagraha

Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :

I have tried to find a more credible source for some of this information. One site pointed to the International Committee of the Red Cross as having stated that it suspected the US was hiding prisoners in secret detention facilities.

I wend to the ICRC website and couldn't find anything at all about this.

ABC News has some confirmatory reports, though:

Human Rights Group Accuses US of having secret detention facilities

Rumsfeld orders secret detention

I'll withold judgement on this, but if it is true, then some people in this Administration, or at least in our armed forces and in our intelligence arms are guilty of serious international crimes.

I hope it's not true.

At the very least, the people we detain have the right to visits from the Red Cross.

Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :

Okay, this link is from the International Red Cross. It mentions several times "undisclosed locations" where prisoners are detained.

Ugh.

Posted by Zamphyr (Member # 6213) on :

Interesting. I don't usually trust the Guardian as a source but the number of reports of detainees in undisclosed locations is indeed troubling.

KoM's post is slightly misleading because the article states he was detained by Macedonians and didn't see any Americans for a month or so. Other than that, I'm not in a rush to defend any actions of our govt's agents. [Frown]

Let's hope the Guardian (or the Germans) have top notch investigators.