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Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
I totally stole this from Myr. [Smile] And the funny thing is, my results were 100% Orthodox Judaism. [ROFL]

I think a lot of the scoring comes from how important you rate each question. I didn't pay much attention to that, so it told me I was only 70% Mormon. Ah well. Just dont't tell anyone.

http://beliefnet.com/story/76/story_7665_1.html
 
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
 
Interesting. It said I've got OCD.
 
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
 
I really liked taking that quiz, actually. [Smile]

My top five:
quote:
1. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (100%)
2. Bahá'í Faith (96%)
3. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (93%)
4. Jehovah's Witness (92%)
5. Orthodox Judaism (81%)


 
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
 
Hehe, go figure. 96% nontheist, 100% unitarian universalist. 0% about 2/3rds of the religions listed. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jay (Member # 5786) on :
 
Guess I'm going to the right church

1. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (100%)
2. Eastern Orthodox (84%)
3. Roman Catholic (84%)
4. Seventh Day Adventist (83%)
5. Orthodox Quaker (80%)
 
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
 
1. Neo-Pagan (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (91%)
3. Liberal Quakers (86%)
4. Reform Judaism (85%)
5. New Age (82%)
 
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
I never quite liked the fact that Judaism always regarded the name J-H-V-H to be so precious and what I like to refer to as superstition. Now I know why!

1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Liberal Quakers (94%)
3. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (88%)
4. Neo-Pagan (86%)
5. New Age (86%)
6. Secular Humanism (81%)
7. Theravada Buddhism (68%)
8. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (64%)
9. New Thought (62%)
10. Scientology (61%)
11. Mahayana Buddhism (60%)
12. Bahá'í Faith (59%)
13. Nontheist (52%)
14. Taoism (52%)
15. Reform Judaism (49%)
16. Orthodox Quaker (44%)
17. Jainism (43%)
18. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (36%)
19. Sikhism (34%)
20. Jehovah's Witness (33%)
21. Hinduism (32%)
22. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (31%)
23. Islam (23%)
24. Orthodox Judaism (23%)
25. Eastern Orthodox (18%)
26. Roman Catholic (18%)
27. Seventh Day Adventist (17%)

Should I write a Unitarian Universalist Bible?
 
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
 
[Wave] Narnia

1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Liberal Quakers (95%)
3. Neo-Pagan (91%)
4. New Age (83%)

What I actually am came out second to last in my quiz...!
 
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
Hail Universalism!
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
1. Reform Judaism (100%)
2. Sikhism (98%)
3. Bahá'í Faith (97%)
4. Orthodox Judaism (97%)
5. Islam (94%)
6. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (80%)
7. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (78%)
8. Liberal Quakers (77%)
9. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (77%)
10. Neo-Pagan (74%)

Guess I'm Jewish. [Smile]
 
Posted by MidnightBlue (Member # 6146) on :
 
1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Secular Humanism (97%)
3. Liberal Quakers (91%)
4. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (89%)
5. Theravada Buddhism (75%)

The religion that I actually "practice" appears last on my list as well.
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
"Should I write a Unitarian Universalist Bible?"

There are at least five things which are funny about this comment. [Smile]
 
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
Please state them, Tom.
 
Posted by urbanX (Member # 1450) on :
 
1. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (100%)
2. Orthodox Quaker (91%)
3. Seventh Day Adventist (85%)
4. Eastern Orthodox (84%)
5. Roman Catholic (84%)
6. Unitarian Universalism (82%)
7. Hinduism (82%)

It just so happens I'm a mainline to liberal Christian Protestant...and I live in Philadelphia...the unoffical home of the Orthodox Quaker...
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
I'll give you the first one to get you started:

1) The Unitarians already have a Bible.
 
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
 
No big shocker:

1. Eastern Orthodox (100%)
2. Roman Catholic (100%)
3. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (85%)
4. Seventh Day Adventist (80%)
5. Orthodox Quaker (72%)
6. Orthodox Judaism (60%)
7. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (57%)
8. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (56%)
 
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
They have a Bible? Damn!

What did you get, Tom? Just as a side-note. I think many here would like to know!
 
Posted by Lupus (Member # 6516) on :
 
1. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (100%)
2. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (90%)
3. Orthodox Quaker (83%)
4. Orthodox Judaism (79%)
5. Eastern Orthodox (77%)

I guess this means they think I am conservative

I'd actually consider myself to be #2
 
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
How many Mormons!
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Theravada Buddhism (98%)
3. Liberal Quakers (89%)
4. Secular Humanism (85%)
5. Baha'i Faith (70%)
 
Posted by jebus202 (Member # 2524) on :
 
1. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (100%)
2. Liberal Quakers (83%)
3. Unitarian Universalism (74%)
4. Orthodox Quaker (65%)
5. Reform Judaism (65%)
6. Secular Humanism (64%)
7. Bahá'í Faith (64%)
8. Neo-Pagan (53%)
9. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (52%)
10. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (51%)
11. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (50%)
12. New Age (48%)
13. Orthodox Judaism (45%)
14. Mahayana Buddhism (44%)
15. Sikhism (42%)
16. New Thought (42%)
17. Theravada Buddhism (42%)
18. Nontheist (41%)
19. Islam (40%)
20. Taoism (40%)
21. Jehovah's Witness (40%)
22. Eastern Orthodox (35%)
23. Roman Catholic (35%)
24. Scientology (35%)
25. Seventh Day Adventist (34%)
26. Jainism (30%)
27. Hinduism (17%)
 
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
quote:
Unitarian Universalism (100%)
Wee~!

EDIT: Welcome to the club.

[ January 29, 2005, 04:50 PM: Message edited by: Jonathan Howard ]
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Well, it got me right.

1. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (100%)
2. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (86%)
3. Jehovah's Witness (83%)
4. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (80%)
5. Bahá'í Faith (70%)
6. Orthodox Judaism (67%)
7. Orthodox Quaker (64%)
8. Liberal Quakers (61%)
9. Islam (57%)
10. Eastern Orthodox (55%)
11. Roman Catholic (55%)
12. Sikhism (53%)
13. Reform Judaism (50%)
14. Unitarian Universalism (50%)
15. Seventh Day Adventist (48%)
16. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (47%)
17. Hinduism (45%)
18. Jainism (43%)
19. Mahayana Buddhism (42%)
20. Theravada Buddhism (40%)
21. Neo-Pagan (39%)
22. New Thought (29%)
23. New Age (28%)
24. Secular Humanism (28%)
25. Scientology (25%)
26. Taoism (20%)
27. Nontheist (17%)

I was raised Presbyterian, by a mother who had been raised Baptist and left, and left to become LDS.
 
Posted by Allegra (Member # 6773) on :
 
1. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (100%)
2. Liberal Quakers (93%)
3. Unitarian Universalism (90%)
4. Neo-Pagan (83%)
5. Orthodox Quaker (76%)
6. Reform Judaism (69%)
7. New Age (67%)
8. Secular Humanism (66%)
9. Hinduism (65%)
10. Theravada Buddhism (58%)

They guessed right. At least for the first one. I dont totally understand the reasoning for the ones after that.
 
Posted by Boris (Member # 6935) on :
 
1. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (100%)
2. Jehovah's Witness (85%)
3. Orthodox Judaism (82%)
4. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (77%)
5. Bahá'í Faith (74%)

Well...Didn't know I was THAT close to being a Jehova's Witness [Smile]
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
I've taken this same test before and every time I get the same answer. Which is good, I guess.

1. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (100%)
2. Orthodox Quaker (96%)
3. Seventh Day Adventist (96%)
4. Eastern Orthodox (83%)
5. Roman Catholic (83%)
6. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (69%)
7. Hinduism (59%)
8. Islam (51%)
9. Orthodox Judaism (51%)
10. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (47%)
11. Liberal Quakers (46%)
12. Jainism (45%)
13. Bahá'í Faith (42%)
14. Unitarian Universalism (41%)
15. Jehovah's Witness (39%)
16. Mahayana Buddhism (32%)
17. Nontheist (31%)
18. Reform Judaism (30%)
19. Sikhism (30%)
20. Theravada Buddhism (29%)
21. Neo-Pagan (25%)
22. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (25%)
23. Taoism (22%)
24. New Age (21%)
25. New Thought (20%)
26. Scientology (19%)
27. Secular Humanism (18%)
 
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
 
1. Secular Humanism (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (98%)
3. Liberal Quakers (89%)
4. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (85%)
5. Nontheist (72%)
6. Neo-Pagan (70%)
7. Theravada Buddhism (63%)
8. Taoism (57%)
9. New Age (56%)
10. Reform Judaism (55%)
 
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
 
1. Secular Humanism (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
3. Liberal Quakers (90%)
4. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (90%)
5. Nontheist (85%)
6. Theravada Buddhism (78%)
7. Bahá'í Faith (69%)
8. Neo-Pagan (62%)
9. Taoism (55%)
10. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (54%)
11. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (54%)

I'm not (edit: very) religious... ^_^

[ January 29, 2005, 07:42 PM: Message edited by: Vadon ]
 
Posted by NinjaBirdman (Member # 7114) on :
 
1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Liberal Quakers (94%)
3. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (93%)
4. Neo-Pagan (85%)
5. Theravada Buddhism (84%)

Funny, I grew up Roman Catholic and I remember taking this quiz about 3 years ago and Roman Catholic being 85%...

27. Roman Catholic (21%)

It got dead last this time, which is kind of surprising. Liberal Quakers was on top last time I took it too.
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
I think this is about where I came out last time . . . I may have to find the old thread to check:
quote:
1. Orthodox Judaism (99%)
2. Sikhism (91%)
3. Islam (91%)
4. Reform Judaism (86%)
5. Bahá'í Faith (77%)
6. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (73%)


 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Aha! Found it!

I guess I (or it) did better this time . . . ? Or is it worse, if this time Orthodox Judaism ranks first, but gets 99%?

I wonder what I answered differently. I'm pretty sure it's only the ranking that was different. [Dont Know]
 
Posted by reader (Member # 3888) on :
 
1. Orthodox Judaism (100%)
2. Islam (96%)
3. Reform Judaism (92%)
4. Sikhism (91%)
5. Bahá'í Faith (86%)

It worked for me.... And the fact that Islam is so close to Orthodox Judaism makes sense. Jews consider Islam to be significantly more theologically sound than Christianity, I know....
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
Liberal Quaker every time. o_O
 
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
But... I am 48% theistic? WOW!
 
Posted by Mean Old Frisco (Member # 6666) on :
 
quote:
1. Theravada Buddhism (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (89%)
3. Liberal Quakers (81%)
4. Secular Humanism (75%)
5. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (71%)

*shrug*

*rubs belly*
 
Posted by gingerjam (Member # 7113) on :
 
the quiz was suprisingly spot on...

1. Bahá'í Faith (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (93%)
3. Sikhism (91%)
4. Liberal Quakers (91%)
5. Mahayana Buddhism (86%)
 
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
 
quote:
1. Liberal Quakers (100%)
2. Mahayana Buddhism (97%)
3. Unitarian Universalism (92%)
4. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (91%)
5. Neo-Pagan (91%)
6. Theravada Buddhism (88%)

Huh. I'm getting more religious.
 
Posted by Steev (Member # 6805) on :
 
quote:
1. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (100%)
2. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (99%)
3. Bahá'í Faith (88%)
4. Sikhism (85%)
5. Jehovah's Witness (81%)
6. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (81%)
7. Liberal Quakers (80%)
8. Orthodox Quaker (78%)
9. Unitarian Universalism (76%)
10. Eastern Orthodox (75%)
11. Roman Catholic (75%)
12. Mahayana Buddhism (74%)
13. Hinduism (73%)
14. Orthodox Judaism (69%)
15. Theravada Buddhism (66%)
16. Jainism (62%)
17. Islam (59%)
18. Neo-Pagan (57%)
19. Reform Judaism (56%)
20. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (55%)
21. Seventh Day Adventist (53%)
22. New Thought (45%)
23. Taoism (45%)
24. New Age (43%)
25. Secular Humanism (41%)
26. Scientology (38%)
27. Nontheist (26%)


Wow. I wonder why I'm in the LDS church if I don't quite fit in it according to this test.
 
Posted by gnixing (Member # 768) on :
 
quote:
1. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (100%)
2. Jehovah's Witness (80%)
3. Orthodox Judaism (76%)
4. Sikhism (71%)
5. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (69%)
6. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (68%)

interesting. i seem to have the greatest spread between the first 2 results (20%) and for 5 and 6, i'm equally on both political ends of the Christian Protestants.

then, i also find it curious that JW is the next closest to my beliefs, when i have found little that i was able to agree with in their faith. must've been all the books and pamphlets i used to collect.

edit: consistency...

[ January 30, 2005, 02:40 AM: Message edited by: gnixing ]
 
Posted by Catseye1979 (Member # 5560) on :
 
1. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (100%)
2. Orthodox Judaism (97%)
3. Jehovah's Witness (95%)
4. Bahá'í Faith (90%)
5. Sikhism (86%)


Looks just about perfect for me...
 
Posted by Pythian (Member # 7080) on :
 
oddly on the spot....

1. Secular Humanism (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
3. Liberal Quakers (84%)
4. Nontheist (82%)
5. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (80%)

*Vadon, you and i apparantly hav similar beliefs.

[ January 30, 2005, 04:29 AM: Message edited by: Pythian ]
 
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
 
1. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (100%)
2. Orthodox Quaker (80%)
3. Liberal Quakers (80%)
4. Reform Judaism (77%)
5. Unitarian Universalism (72%)
6. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (71%)
7. Eastern Orthodox (63%)
8. Roman Catholic (63%)
9. Seventh Day Adventist (58%)
10. Orthodox Judaism (56%)

Hmmm... Looks like I'm in the right church. I dunno if I'm quiet or nonviolent enough to be a Quaker... O_o
 
Posted by Jaiden (Member # 2099) on :
 
1. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (100%)
2. Roman Catholic (85%)
3. Orthodox Quaker (80%)
4. Liberal Quakers (76%)
5. Unitarian Universalism (75%)
6. Eastern Orthodox (62%)
7. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (62%)
8. Seventh Day Adventist (62%)
9. Reform Judaism (59%)
10. Secular Humanism (57%)

Surprised about some...
Why is it Liberal Quaker s and Orthodox Quaker?

[ January 30, 2005, 09:41 AM: Message edited by: Jaiden ]
 
Posted by JaneX (Member # 2026) on :
 
quote:
1. Liberal Quakers (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (97%)
3. Neo-Pagan (96%)
4. Secular Humanism (93%)
5. New Age (85%)
6. Reform Judaism (82%)

This is the third time I've taken this quiz, and I've gotten Liberal Quaker every time. [Razz]

~Jane~
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
quote:
Wow. I wonder why I'm in the LDS church if I don't quite fit in it according to this test.
I can tell you, from my long study into Christian doctrine recently - most people don't know what they believe.

You'd be surprised how many Baptists in my family I've talked to and when I said "I'm not Baptist because I can't accept X." they answer "Well, I don't accept X either!" And I say "Why do you go to a Baptist church then, because your doctrine asserts X." They're shocked.

When we did a series on doctrine at our church, where we basically read the doctrine out loud and discussed it, only three people besides my husband and myself had problems with it - and let me tell you, it had glaring problems! We are in the middle of a pastor search and of the candidates that the search committtee passed along to the session for interviews, all of them refused the position based on one thing: the church has a weak doctrinal statement.

But most people in the church don't know or understand that.

It amazes me how little most people know about their own faith. It's a major failing of protestant churches - we don't teach doctrine very often and we should. I don't know about other faiths, not having enough experience with them.
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Belle, I would say that if someone who attends an LDS church regularly doesn't understand the basic doctrine, a teacher is not doing his/her job somewhere. We have rigorous programs in place (Primary for kids, Young Men/Young Women, Sunday School, and Seminary for teenagers, and Sunday School and Elder's Quorum/Relief Society for adults) that are supposed to teach, re-teach, reinforce, and provide opportunities to live our doctrine. We are also encouraged to have Family Home Evening every week and reinforce doctrine at home, as well as family prayer and daily scripture study (although observance of these recommendations varies with differing family situations). It may not be a question of understanding; it may be a question of disagreeing, or else someone may, as I said, have been teaching incorrect doctrine or not teaching effectively.
 
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
 
quote:

1. Neo-Pagan (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
3. Liberal Quakers (96%)
4. Mahayana Buddhism (89%)
5. New Age (89%)
6. Reform Judaism (82%)
7. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (80%)
8. Theravada Buddhism (78%)
9. Secular Humanism (73%)
10. Bahá'í Faith (70%)
.
.
.
22. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (30%)
23. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (28%)
24. Seventh Day Adventist (25%)
25. Jehovah's Witness (21%)
26. Eastern Orthodox (17%)
27. Roman Catholic (17%)


Hmphhh. Nathan just got me to agree to becoming members of the local Episcopalian church here in town, too . . . well, I've always been known to be contradictory . . .

[Wink]

Edit to add:

quote:
Some Neo-Pagans find no incongruence practicing Neo-Paganism along with adherence to another faith, such as Christianity or Judaism.

Hmmmm.

The rest of the description on "neo-paganism" found here: Neo-Pagan Summary

I fail to see how having a basic respect for -and interest in - other traditions, especially those that respect and reverence the home we have been given to live in, and acknowledge that we ALL our children of "God", makes me neo-pagan. Don't (or shouldn't) all religions do the same?

[Dont Know]

Ah well - silly little test with interesting answers . . .

[ January 30, 2005, 01:44 PM: Message edited by: Shan ]
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
kq I've been going to church all my life and I've been in countless Sunday School classes and Bible studies and I can tell you I never knew much of anything about doctrine until I studied on my own.

Maybe the LDS church is different, don't know never been to one. But most protestant churches do a good job of re-inforcing over and over the same things. They don't really delve deeper and go into theological issues.

Case in point, I was reading an account by someone from one of the reformed seminaries, and he said during an inter-denominational meeting a Catholic priest asked him what he believed and he told him he was reformed and the next time they got together he gave him copies of the Westminster Confession and other documents oulining his beliefs and the priest said he was amazed. His comment: "With most protestants you can never tell where they stand - they usually don't know for themselves what their denominations believe."

Again, this may not apply to LDS, my particular rant is directed toward American protestant churches, like the ones I grew up in, and that my family and friends all go to. Heck, my own church - this issue with doctrine is one of the main reasons we're considering shopping for a new one.

[ January 30, 2005, 01:33 PM: Message edited by: Belle ]
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Belle, that's what I'm saying; we have church-wide prescribed lessons that are the same all over the world. People are not supposed to teach their own interpretation of the lesson. They are supposed to teach what is in the manual, reinforced by quotes from the General Authorities (worldwide leadership of the church) and the Prophet and the Scriptures. At least once a month, we get a lesson that touches on basic doctrine in each of our classes. Children memorize the 13 "Articles of Faith", a basic statement of belief, and each month the Primary teaches the children (or is supposed to teach the children) what one of them means, not just what it says. We focus often on what we believe and how it is different from other churches, because the goal is to have every member well-educated about the Church and able to teach a friend who asks a question. Our young men are expected (and some of our young women are encouraged) to understand the doctrine well enough to go out and teach it to strangers for two years before they've even finished college. Our specific doctrine is thoroughly discussed with the goal of every member understanding and believing it.
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
That said, I've run into several Mormons with shocking ignorance of their own "deep doctrine."
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
If that is the case, kq, why do you have a member saying something like:

quote:
Wow. I wonder why I'm in the LDS church if I don't quite fit in it according to this test.
Steev, I apologize - not trying to pick on you.

My point is not that the LDS church does a bad job, kq, but just that doctrine should be emphasized. If your church does a good job at it - then great. That's my point - I think that's what should happen.

But I think it's impossible for you to assert that every single church in the LDS faith does such an excellent job of teaching doctrine that no LDS member is ever confused or unsure about their doctrinal beliefs - when we have evidence here that it isn't the case.

Your church may do a better job than most protestant churches (heck, it would be hard to do worse!) but it doesn't mean it's perfect. No church is.

My assertion is merely that ALL churches should do a good job teaching doctrine to its members, but some of that responsibility has to fall on the member themselves. I know where I stand and what I believe because it was important to me to learn that and have something I could stand by and say "Yes, I believe that, and this is why."

Each person needs to take some personal responsibility as well.
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Belle, I'm not saying that every unit functions like this, just that it's supposed to. In some units, I have heard of people being there just because they've never known anything else.

Luckily, I've never been in one of them. If I was, I would take it up with the leaders of that unit, because I have a belief that one of the great things about this church is that we are all encouraged to know as much about our doctrine as we can learn.

I agree with you about some responsibility being on the member. If your body is there but your mind isn't, you won't learn much.

[ January 30, 2005, 01:59 PM: Message edited by: ketchupqueen ]
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
Tom, me too.

Our former youth pastor was ministering to several mormon youths at a local college and it was funny that he was educating them as to what their doctrine really said.
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Belle, I have to say that statement scares me a little, because there is a lot of misinformation out there about what our doctrine really is, and ministers of other churches often believe it.
 
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
This test cannot be used to test knowledge of doctrine. There are at least 6 questions about social issues that some churches leave for personal decision.

I went back and took the test and payed attention to the "High Medium Low" buttons, marked all of the doctrine as "high" and I got the correct religion this time. But all of my answers to the questions stayed exactly the same. (Before, I was listed as 100% Orthodox Jew and only 70% Mormon.)

quote:
1. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (100%)
2. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (93%)
3. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (93%)
4. Jehovah's Witness (92%)
5. Orthodox Quaker (82%)
6. Bahá'í Faith (81%)
7. Seventh Day Adventist (71%)
8. Eastern Orthodox (68%)
9. Orthodox Judaism (68%)
10. Roman Catholic (68%)



[ January 30, 2005, 02:11 PM: Message edited by: Narnia ]
 
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
I wonder what OSC would've got!
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Um, might I point out that the gentleman who made that statement likely did so in jest? The test came up 99% LDS for him.

Yeesh, it's not like I went and became a Muslim after the last time I took this test.

The test is interesting, but it hardly defines people's beliefs. Which is good, because several of the questions had no answer I particularly cared for, and at least one had more than one (on a choose-one question).
 
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
Ditto rivka.
 
Posted by gnixing (Member # 768) on :
 
quote:
That said, I've run into several Mormons with shocking ignorance of their own "deep doctrine."
fortunately, the LDS faith does not require that we learn "deep doctrine." nor do we believe that god requires that we know it. "basic doctrine" on the other hand IS important, and if you ever run across a member that doesn't know our "basic doctrine" it is because they don't attend church (or their mind refuses to attend when their body does.)
 
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
 
Whoa, I totally bombed that test. I hope the teacher curves it.
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
quote:
Belle, I have to say that statement scares me a little, because there is a lot of misinformation out there about what our doctrine really is, and ministers of other churches often believe it.
I'm sure you'll be relieved then to know that the pastor spent weeks meeting with Mormon missionaries, learning about the faith, asking numerous questions to be certain he was indeed properly informed.

And if your church does a good job teaching doctrine, no pastor of another church should be able to say anything that surprises them.

I was discussing Calvinism with someone once who tried to "shock" me by telling me "You know they believe in Limited Atonement!" [Roll Eyes]

Of course, he was mis-informed as to what Limited atonement really meant, and once I explained it to him he said "Oh. Well, that isn't really any different from what I believe."

Again, this just reinforces my point - if you belong to a faith, I think you should know what it believes and be able to stand by it.

quote:
fortunately, the LDS faith does not require that we learn "deep doctrine." nor do we believe that god requires that we know it. "basic doctrine" on the other hand IS important, and if you ever run across a member that doesn't know our "basic doctrine" it is because they don't attend church (or their mind refuses to attend when their body does.)
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Can you explain to me the difference between basic and deep doctrine?

As you can tell, I have a somewhat personal crusade on the doctrine issue right now - I'm appalled at the level of ignorance so many people have about their own faiths, and I think it should change. Why would you not teach "deep" doctrine? And why would you think it's not equally important to know?
 
Posted by bunbun (Member # 6814) on :
 
1. Reform Judaism (100%)
2. Sikhism (93%)
3. Liberal Quakers (88%)
4. Jainism (88%)
5. Unitarian Universalism (88%)
6. Mahayana Buddhism (85%)
7. Orthodox Judaism (84%)
8. Bahá'í Faith (83%)
9. Neo-Pagan (80%)
10. Islam (78%)
 
Posted by Bella Bee (Member # 7027) on :
 
1. Liberal Quakers (100%)
2. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (99%)
3. Unitarian Universalism (96%)
4. Neo-Pagan (88%)
5. New Age (88%)

I live in an historically Quaker town. It must be rubbing off on me.
 
Posted by gingerjam (Member # 7113) on :
 
quote:
if you belong to a faith, I think you should know what it believes and be able to stand by it...I'm appalled at the level of ignorance so many people have about their own faiths, and I think it should change.
i think that is so essential... to me "By Faith is meant first conscious knowledge and second the practice of good deeds"...so whatever belief system we have has to be a fully lived expression of our particular beliefs rather than (all too often) passive acceptance.
 
Posted by skrika03 (Member # 5930) on :
 
Belle, I don't know what Tom meant by deep doctrine, but I think it is stuff that isn't actually outlined in church literature. (By which I mean stuff like when Brigham Young taught life begins, or whether the lost tribes are living in a subterrenean enclave.)

I can easily believe there are Mormons who don't know their doctrine, but mainly I think the test is jacked. To come up #1 LDS you have to subscribe to their definition of a "corporeal spirit " God which I had a long discussion with someone about last time this test came up.

I came up 100% Orthodox Jewish last time, and LDS was like 5th. You can say a lot of folks don't know their deep doctrine, but I'm not one of them if I do say so myself. Why, my doctrine is so deep it goes all the way back around to being shallow again. [Wink]

Oh, here we go:
1. Orthodox Judaism (100%)
2. Eastern Orthodox (91%)
3. Roman Catholic (91%)
4. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (89%)
5. Jehovah's Witness (86%)
6. Islam (84%)
7. Orthodox Quaker (80%)
8. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (77%)
9. Sikhism (76%)
10. Hinduism (76%)

[ January 30, 2005, 10:25 PM: Message edited by: skrika03 ]
 
Posted by Avadaru (Member # 3026) on :
 
1. Bahá'í Faith (100%)
2. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (97%)
3. Jehovah's Witness (97%)
4. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (95%)
5. Orthodox Judaism (94%)
6. Sikhism (88%)
7. Liberal Quakers (86%)
8. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (81%)
9. Hinduism (78%)
10. Jainism (77%)

.....

14. Roman Catholic (75%)

Hrm. I consider myself a Catholic...I don't know anything about the Bahá'í Faith! Maybe I should look into it.
 
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
 
1. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (100%)
2. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (99%)
3. Jehovah's Witness (85%)
4. Eastern Orthodox (84%)
5. Roman Catholic (84%)

The first question about the nature of the Godhead just didn't have the exact right answer for me. I must have picked the Conservative Protestant choice rather than the one earmarked for Mormons. [Dont Know] Because I was going for a 100% Mormon score. [Smile]

The first question:
quote:

1. What is the number and nature of the deity (God, gods, higher power)?


---Only one God--a corporeal spirit (has a body), supreme, personal God Almighty, the Creator.
---Only one God--an incorporeal (no body) spirit, supreme, personal God Almighty, the Creator.
---Multiple personal gods (or goddesses) regarded as facets of one God, and/or as separate gods.
---The supreme force is the impersonal Ultimate Reality (or life force, ultimate truth, cosmic order, absolute bliss, universal soul), which resides within and/or beyond all.
---The supreme existence is both the eternal, impersonal, formless Ultimate Reality, and personal God (or gods).
---No God or supreme force. Or not sure. Or not important.
---None of the above.

I bolded the choice I picked. Between this one and the first choice falls Mormon belief about God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost acting as one God. They are three separate and distinct beings acting in a unified manner. Also, we believe that God the Father and Jesus Christ do have bodies, but that the Holy Ghost does not.

I guess I could have in just as good conscience picked the first choice.
 
Posted by Occasional (Member # 5860) on :
 
"Wow. I wonder why I'm in the LDS church if I don't quite fit in it according to this test."

I have to say, I understood immediately that this person was making a joke. It wasn't the first time I have heard someone make this statement in jest after taking the test. All it needed was a smiley.

In all fairness, Belle might not have taken it as a joke because of her present problems. As for the question at hand, I have to agree that a numer of LDS don't understand their own religion. Yet, very few don't at least understand the basics of the faith.

The problem is the "deep doctrines" issues, that too many non-Mormons (and a few overzealous Mormons I might add) don't realize are secondary to the faith. For the most part LDS doctrine is a fairly open structure. It is large and expansive enough to evoke a kind of theoretical conceptualization. Too often the dividing line between basics and deeper (less important)issues is hard to tell because of the possibilities embeded in its ramifications.

Like the very structure of its organization, the theology is both a dogmatic (authoritative) and progressive (personal) system. There are core beliefs within it (basics), but what those beliefs might mean at closer scrutiny (deeper) can be far reaching and less than sure.

Sadly, those who don't understand the difference between basic and deeper teachings of the LDS Church continually misidentify what Mormons believe. Worse are those who deliberately force the "deeper" and more speculative aspects of LDS theology into the realm of basic beliefs; purposefully making a mockery or confusion.

At any rate, I find the beliefnet explanation of LDS teachings to be less than truthful and full of inacuracies.
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
The big thing about that question is that we believe Heavenly Father is the supreme God and has a body. Big issue there, but I agree, I had a problem with the wording.
 
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
1. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (96%)
3. Liberal Quakers (95%)
4. Reform Judaism (81%)
5. Orthodox Quaker (78%)
6. Bahá'í Faith (74%)
7. Neo-Pagan (72%)
8. Mahayana Buddhism (71%)
9. Theravada Buddhism (70%)
10. New Age (69%)
11. Sikhism (67%)
12. Secular Humanism (65%)
13. Jainism (57%)
14. Orthodox Judaism (57%)
15. Hinduism (56%)
16. Taoism (55%)
17. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (53%)
18. Seventh Day Adventist (51%)
19. Islam (51%)
20. New Thought (50%)
21. Scientology (49%)
22. Eastern Orthodox (46%)
23. Roman Catholic (46%)
24. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (40%)
25. Nontheist (39%)
26. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (39%)
27. Jehovah's Witness (26%)

I knew bad things would happen if I stopped going to church. I was baptized Roman Catholic. Guess that didn't work out very well.
 
Posted by Choobak (Member # 7083) on :
 
1. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
3. Liberal Quakers (94%)
4. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (87%)
5. New Thought (80%)

Well, Interesting... I am Catholic by origin and culture, but i see another vision of my believe here...

I want to know better Liberal Quakers, Christian Science and New Thought (What are they ???) before appreciate the result... [Roll Eyes]

[Edit after look Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants] : This is not my opinion in large part !!! [No No]

[ January 31, 2005, 07:40 AM: Message edited by: Choobak ]
 
Posted by lem (Member # 6914) on :
 
quote:
As in the book of Genesis, God created a mature universe and mature life forms from nothing in less than 7 days, less than 10,000 years ago.
I did not know that was in the book of Genesis.
 
Posted by skrika03 (Member # 5930) on :
 
Can't you click on the religion to learn about it? In one version of the test, where I answered by my personal ethics, I came up with Jainism and I had to look it up.

A good description of the Mormon conception of God using Mormon terminology would be "The greatest of all souls." but it probably sounds like it means something very different from how we mean it. It sounds like what the ex-preacher in The Grapes of Wrath prayed to.
 
Posted by lem (Member # 6914) on :
 
1. Liberal Quakers (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (97%)
3. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (92%)
4. Mahayana Buddhism (90%)
5. Theravada Buddhism (88%)

I am reading up on these. So far I like Liberal Quaker--however, the name seems like an OXYMORON to me.
quote:
After Death
Few liberal Quakers believe in direct reward and punishment, heaven and hell, or second coming of Christ. The primary focus is nondogmatic: God is love, love is eternal, and our actions in life should reflect love for all of humanity.

quote:
Salvation
Beliefs are diverse, as dogma is de-emphasized. Most believe that all will be saved because God is good and forgiving, and the divine Light of God is available to all. Good works, especially social work and peace efforts, are viewed as integral to the salvation of humanity, regardless of belief or nonbelief in an afterlife.


 
Posted by lem (Member # 6914) on :
 
It only gave me a 66% for Taoism, but I think that should be much higher. I now proclaim myself a Taoist!
quote:
Contemporary Issues
Positions on abortion, homosexuality, divorce, nonviolence, and social-betterment programs are not unambiguously stated in the ancient texts. One might be able to derive a stance on these issues, but any such stance would be attenuated by the recognition that any stance is just a conceptual abstraction that has little usefulness.

For some reason I find that very funny, very wrong, and very right all at the same time. It has earned my *gigglesnarf.*
 
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
 
quote:

1. Secular Humanism (100%)
2. Nontheist (98%)
3. Unitarian Universalism (98%)
4. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (82%)
5. Theravada Buddhism (78%)
6. Liberal Quakers (78%)

No big shock
 
Posted by Lady Jane (Member # 7249) on :
 
1. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (100%)
2. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (97%)
3. Jehovah's Witness (95%)
4. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (91%)
5. Orthodox Quaker (90%)
6. Seventh Day Adventist (82%)
7. Eastern Orthodox (81%)
8. Roman Catholic (81%)
9. Bahá'í Faith (77%)
10. Orthodox Judaism (76%)


No surprise.
 
Posted by raventh1 (Member # 3750) on :
 
hmm, that's interesting, when I took the test, I stopped paying attention to the High to Low part, and left them all medium.

I may take it again sometime, but not today.
 
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
 
Neat test!

Here is my score:

1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Secular Humanism (97%)
3. Liberal Quakers (92%)
4. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (90%)
5. Neo-Pagan (70%)
6. Theravada Buddhism (67%)
7. Nontheist (66%)
8. New Age (61%)
9. Bahá'í Faith (54%)
10. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (52%)

[ January 31, 2005, 07:41 PM: Message edited by: Telperion the Silver ]
 
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
 
*shrugs*

*rubs Frisco's belly*
 
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
 
quote:
This test cannot be used to test knowledge of doctrine. There are at least 6 questions about social issues that some churches leave for personal decision.

The biggest reason that the test cannot be used to test knowledge of doctrine is that one is forced to select between a small number of simplistic answers. As a latter-day-saint I found that, on most questions, none of the answers fit LDS doctrine (as I understand it) exactly. Often several of them might be true if considered in a certain light.

For example;

What happens to humans after death?

The following answers all have some overlap with Mormon Doctrine but none of them are exactly correct.

quote:
Souls are judged immediately for a foretaste of heaven or hell. At the final judgment, God (or Christ) will resurrect and judge all for heaven or hell. (Or souls may also be judged for punishment and/or purification before heaven.)

The soul's spiritual development continues after death so that all may eventually experience the indescribable joy of closeness to God. Hell is not a place but the tormented state of remoteness from God.

There is definitely an afterlife, but the specifics cannot be known or are unimportant--most important is one's conduct in life.

Choosing between these is difficult because they all contain aspects that are true from an LDS perspective. Which one a Mormon might pick is as likely to depend on their current state in life and the importance they give to individual details in our doctire as it is to their understanding of the official Church doctrine.

I could make the same observation about many other questions.
 


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