quote: NEW YORK (AP) -- The NHL canceled what little was left of the season Wednesday after a series of last-minute offers were rejected on the final day of negotiations.
A lockout over a salary cap shut down the game before it ever got a chance to start in October. Now the NHL, already low on the popularity scale in the United States, becomes the first major pro sports league in North America to lose an entire season to a labor dispute.
``I have no choice but to cancel the 2004-05 season,'' commissioner Gary Bettman said. ``This is a sad, regrettable day that all of us wish could have been avoided.''
The league and players' union traded a flurry of proposals and letters Tuesday night, but could never agree on a cap. The players proposed $49 million per team; the owners said $42.5 million.
``We weren't as close as people were speculating,'' Bettman said.
This will be the first time the Stanley Cup isn't awarded since 1919 when a flu epidemic forced the finals to be called off.
``Through the decades and the generations we have faced a variety of crises and challenges -- some of which seemed catastrophic at the time,'' Bettman said. ``The league persevered through all those adversities and the league will persevere through this one, as well -- to emerge with a framework for the future, one that is fair to everyone -- where our players are fairly paid, receiving what we can afford.
``No more, no less.''
Before Monday, the idea of a salary cap was a deal-breaker for the players' association but the union gave in and said it would accept one when the NHL dropped its insistence that there be a link between revenues and player costs.
That still wasn't enough to end the lockout that started on Sept. 16 and ultimately wiped out the entire 1,230-game schedule and the playoffs.
I really thought when they both agreed to a cap they would be able to save it. Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
Me too. So did a lot of the players too, apparently. Marty Biron and other Sabres players were working out harder yesterday and today thinking the season would be saved.
Posted by AntiCool (Member # 7386) on :
It's impossible for me to feel sorry for either the players or the owners.
If I really tried, I could probably feel sorry for the fans, but I don't feel like putting forth the effort.
Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
I feel sorry for the businesses and staff people and the like that don't have a job or are losing a lot of their business. The Sabres were one of the few remaining reasons to go to downtown Buffalo.
Posted by AntiCool (Member # 7386) on :
I can agree with that.
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Go watch amateur and semi-pro. Better seating, better hockey, and the games are a LOT more fun anyways.
[ February 16, 2005, 01:57 PM: Message edited by: aspectre ]
Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
There's lacrosse, too. That reminds me, I need to find out when the next Bandits game is.
Posted by Jay (Member # 5786) on :
Might be the end of NHL
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
I think that's very important to note the distincion between professional hockey and Hockey. When the ground clears up, I'm going to play roller hockey again, despite the crushing blow of people not getting paid to play it. Heck, I play lacrosse even those people get like $500 a game. Of course, I also date even though I don't watch romantic comedy movies and I do standup even though I generally don't watch sitcoms.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
::fails to resist urge to wonder aloud what MrSquicky's stand-up act would be like::
Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
That's very true, Squick. Hockey as a sport will continue to exist. However, what we miss is having a top level of competition. It is likely if the NHL folds or contracts to fewer teams that it will be gone from here. Now I cut my teeth going to see the Hampton Roads Admirals ECHL team, back when it was the sort of league where the players had day jobs and travelled via greyhound bus. I had stopped watching most of the NHL (on TV) until the playoffs last year. The Calgary Flames in particular showed off a style of hockey that was fast paced and fun to watch. The Sabres, who just missed the playoffs last year, looked to contend. They had lowered ticket prices substantially and had a positive outlook. Now, who knows what will happen.
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
The Panthers were going to be good this year and a salary cap would have made them even better. Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
Tick, I'm partially being a grump gus here, but I think there's a very mportant distinction that is too often glossed over. You're right about missing the top level of play and that's a shame, but for me, it's important to realize that we're not really (except for that) losing anything from Sport. What this means is that we're losing Entertainment, which shouldn't detract from Sport at all.
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
GO RED WINGS!
erm... please... go...
Poor Red Wings... Posted by TheHumanTarget (Member # 7129) on :
Not to ruffle too many feathershere, but professional hockey has seen a decline in attendance and viewership for years, and frankly, it won't be missed by the large majority of the population.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
"Go watch amateur and semi-pro. Better seating, better hockey, and the games are a LOT more fun anyways."
Hear hear! While pro hockey is definitely the top level, I think it is often less hockey than it is boxing. That's what many fans go for, and what refs let go.
I am honest when I say I would rather watch a Middlebury-Dathmouth game than a Bruins-Canadiens game.
When I was a lass, I watched the Canadiens with my grandfather. I remember a game where both benches emptied, except for Henri Richard, who sat there and watched in disgust.
Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
Understood, dude. Here's hoping more college hockey gets TV time.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
The Tick, My dad was the coach for Nichols School many noons ago. Do you know that school?
Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
Yes, vaguely. I haven't lived her all that long but I know it's not far from my house. Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Oh, that's right, I remember you saying you did not grow up there.
Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
Something some astute sportswriters have noted:
"The last time the Red Sox were baseball's champions, of course, was 1918, and the following spring there was no Stanley Cup."
So we can blame the Sox for this.
Posted by Stan the man (Member # 6249) on :
Yeah, Telp, I'm miss watching the Red Wings too. They were great to watch. Especially with a cold beer and pretzels.
Posted by Desdemona (Member # 7100) on :
Nichols? In Buffallo?
Ahhh. We're playing them on Monday. And they're really good. And I'm scared.
quote:it won't be missed by the large majority of the population
Not in Toronto, it isn't. Greatest hockey city in the world!
I am really sad about the end of the season. I was the bigggest leafs fan ever, barring none. Truly. I toook up playing hockey this year, because I am a pessimist. But next year, I am probably going to buy St. John's Maple Leafs Season Tickets, because they are moving to play at the ACC. It's sad that Nfld is losing their team, but I am glad for it moving to Torontop. I know that it is a really selfish attitude, but the ACC is the best arena in TO and there isn't any hockey there now
Booooo Red Wings
GO LEAFS GO!!!
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Desdemona, do you play? Women's hockey has come so far since I was a lass, and I am so glad. It the the single most fun sport to play. It was really hard for me as a girl, because I was around hockey all the time, and I could skate and handle the puck better than most of the boys, but I couldn't play.
When I played in college, finally, it was the first year our team was a varsity team, and we stunk. Now, they are one of the best.
As for the Red Sox thing, Tick, as my husband was watching the whole Bruins press conference thing, and heard the words "86 years," he immediately said, "That's how long the curse lasted!" Ha ha. The sports Lord giveth, and he taketh away.
Posted by Desdemona (Member # 7100) on :
Yes, I play. I am really really bad, seeing as I only took it up this year, but I am getting better every game. Hopefully.
I love it... it's so much fun.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
How old are you, D? Just keep practicing. Play on the ponds with boys whenever you can.
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I really thought when they both agreed to a cap they would be able to save it. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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So we can blame the Sox for this.