I saw it just a minute ago on TV. I hate admiting it but it looks really cool and I am actually starting to be excited about it's release in 2 months. I know I'm just setting my self up to be disapointed with it but this was the fun part for me for the last two. It's awesome when it's still a distant event that you can anticipate and trick yourself into believing will be good.
Sorry but I couldn't find a link wirth pasting. don't know if it's online yet or not. If any one finds I would appreciate a linky. thanks
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
tease! I thought you had a link.
*pouts*
Posted by beatnix19 (Member # 5836) on :
Lucas Sucks. It Aired during the O.C. on Fox tonight and is only available to Hyperspace members until the 14th.
Um, wow. That was good.
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
Dang, now I want to see it.
Or, as it works with all new Star Wars movies, I just want to watch the preview over and over, because I know the actual film can't live up to the hype.
Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
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Posted by Traveler (Member # 3615) on :
I'll say this... Lucas sure knows how to set us up for disappointment.
I was determined to not get ANY good expectations for this movie and yet I find myself getting excited about it.
Yet I'm almost positive I'm going to walking out of the theater disappointed.
Posted by digging_holes (Member # 6237) on :
<-- still hasn't seen Episode II.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
I thought Episode II was really good.
So there.
>:o
EDIT: darned stupid graemlins . . .
[ March 11, 2005, 02:01 PM: Message edited by: Icarus ]
Posted by Mr.Gumby (Member # 6303) on :
quote: It looks pretty good on this trailer-- except for the last 2 seconds, with Vader crossing his arms.
Over done.
it's called FOLDING his arms and I don't think it was over done.
Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
quote:Or, as it works with all new Star Wars movies, I just want to watch the preview over and over, because I know the actual film can't live up to the hype.
Seriously...the Episode I trailer was probably the coolest thing I had ever seen in my life.
But yeah, I'm still excited for Episode III no matter what. And this trailer has helped alot. I agree it actually looks like there's some character development here. About time.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Lucas said the rating would be PG-13. Actually, Lucas admitted that this Episode was a tragedy. He also admitted that it went to Hell. Heh.
Posted by St. Yogi (Member # 5974) on :
Funny, I actually thought the last two movies were hell.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
No, he admitted that it WENT to hell. The Lava planet.
Posted by Jay (Member # 5786) on :
WOW..... Wow.... wow... I can't wait.
Posted by naledge (Member # 392) on :
Looks very interesting. Its such a shame the first two had to suck so bad.
-nal
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
Anyone else here uncertain if a kid like Christiansen can carry a whole, possibly complex movie?
I mean, throughout most of Episode II I cringed whenever he opened his mouth.
Posted by jebus202 (Member # 2524) on :
Yea, when you see the huge budget they have, then look at the quality of acting they have, you'd think the world lacked good actors.
[ March 11, 2005, 02:46 PM: Message edited by: jebus202 ]
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I think Christneson plays the part well, considering what he's supposed to be conveying.
The first two didn't suck, though they were a bit questionable, I think on the whole they were very very good.
The third one looks fantastic. If people can find a way to remove the collective stick they have up their butts, they could actually enjoy it. Episode III could be the best of them all. Many felt that Empire Strikes Back was the best film because it was darker, and this film will be that way. It'll also be the only other film that ends with the dark side achieving a victory.
The trailer looks awesome, I think this movie is going to be great. And all the people who think it will be horrible despite the fact that they think it looks good shouldn't go then, I'd rather them not pollute the atmosphere of excitement that will be in the theater when I'm there.
Posted by Myr (Member # 5956) on :
Hey now. Non-rabid-fans are allowed to be curious too. Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I apologize to all non rabid fans.
I'm too rabid for my own good. Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
So terribly excited. And seeing as this is the only spoiler I've gotten since the last trailer, it looks AWESOME.
How will I ever control my excitement?
Posted by St. Yogi (Member # 5974) on :
quote:No, he admitted that it WENT to hell. The Lava planet.
Yeah, I know. I was just trying to make a little funny
I've got to admit though, the trailer actually looks good, but I don't think I'm gonna get my hopes up. Ok, maybe just a little Posted by Boris (Member # 6935) on :
I think a lot of the acting in it is pretty solid. Ewan McGregor was perfect for his part. Samuel L Jackson...Well, he's Samuel L Jackson. Yoda's dialogue is seems a little too forced in the last two episodes, which probably won't change in the third. But yeah, Christiansen SUCKS!!! I wanted to jump into the movie and beat the tar out of him. But I guess I just never considered the possibility of Pouting and whining as part of the path to a truly evil person. But hey. I've never been evil before.
Posted by Tarrsk (Member # 332) on :
quote:Many felt that Empire Strikes Back was the best film because it was darker, and this film will be that way.
Umm... no. Many people felt that ESB was the best film because it was well-written and well-directed. Not coincidentally, George Lucas did neither for that film.
That said, this trailer gives me hope. Obi-wan's expression when he screams "But you were the Chosen One!" is wonderful, and further affirms the fact that Ewan MacGregor is far and away the best actor working on the prequels.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Luke was pouty and whiny. It's only appropriate that Anakin be pouty and whiny as well.
Posted by Boris (Member # 6935) on :
For some reason, though, the pouty and whiny WORKED with Luke. And he didn't stay that way.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
*Actually, I just stole it from Jon Boy at GC. Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
actually, I hated Luke.
Posted by foundling (Member # 6348) on :
You know, mack, I hated Luke too. When Lea kissed him in the first episode, i got so angry. She had hot, hot Han right in front of her, and she kissed the winy little bastard? Yugh! I didnt care that it was to make a point. i lost respect for Lea at that point.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote: Umm... no. Many people felt that ESB was the best film because it was well-written and well-directed. Not coincidentally, George Lucas did neither for that film.
Lucas still wrote all the movies, and had final say over all scripts. And yes, a lot of people felt that ESB was better because of the content, not because of who directed it. I doubt anyone watching the three all in a row would bust out with "Hmm, did they change directors?"
And I still feel that Christiansen did in fact act well. Honestly, I really wonder what people expect from the character of Anakin Skywalker. Put aside Christiansen's acting for a minute and tell me how you think he should have been. Happy? Joyous? Emotionless? The young anakin wasn't all that whiney, it seemed he barely spoke at all. Hadyn in Episode II had a lot of emotional issues, and I think they were all warranted.
People who say "He sucked!" just annoy me because they never really put any supporting evidence behind it. It seems everyone just randomly decided he was bad, agreed on it, shook hands and that was that. But I won't buy it until someone can reasonably tell me why they felt his performance was poor.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Lyrhawn -- well, no, he didn't write all the movies. The first one was almost completely cribbed from other sources as to the substance (watch The Hidden Fortress sometime), and while Lucas has a writing credit for the "story" of the next two, those were actually written by other people.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Interesting how when Lucas draws inspiration from Kurosawa it's "cribbing," but when Miyazaki does it's brilliant.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Are you talking about the script or the actual story and idea?
And yeah Icarus I was going to say something similar to that too, good point.
Lucas openly admits that he draws from Campbell's monomyth, and actually met with Campbell at the Skywalker Ranch during the development of the story idea. But the idea of Star Wars and the first movie has been in the works since he was in college, how is that not him writing the story? I think you would be hard pressed to find a director/writer in Hollywood that hasn't been influenced by or borrowed SOME idea.
But the actual story of Luke and the others, and Star Wars, that's all written by him, regardless of influences and what not.
[ March 11, 2005, 11:19 PM: Message edited by: Lyrhawn ]
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Like Kurosawa I make made films Okay, I don't make films But if I did they'd have a Samurai.
Okay, Hayden bashers, have any of you seen Life as a House?
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Have you watched the Hidden Fortress? Huge swathes of the plot in Star Wars are cut practically straight from it. That's cribbed, whether or not it's brilliant.
Now, Star Wars (the original trilogy) is still brilliant, as are Kurosawa's movies, but in the first three Lucas allowed himself to be guided greatly by larger themes, but left much of the writing to other people (particularly in the last two episodes, where he didn't have another work to pretty much rely on the dramatic pacing of), and now his rather bad hand at writing plot detail tramples all over those larger themes in the latest star wars movies.
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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Personal Pet Peeve #1: People who are so uptight and critical, they'd rather critique something rather than enjoy it.
Posted by Eaquae Legit (Member # 3063) on :
Chewbacca! Does this mean we will see how Chewy and Han got together?
And I agree - Ewan Mcgregor was amazing as he yelled "But you were the chosen one!" I still miss Muppet Yoda, though. Couldn't they restrict the CGI to when it is actually *necessary*?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Doubtful, Chewie and Han didn't get together until after the Empire took over and Han was out of the Imperial Academy.
About the time of the movie, Han is like an 8 year old kicking around Corellia picking people's pockets, if that. I'm guessing Chewbacca's involvement comes when the pseudo Empire tries to enslave Kashyyk.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Oh, these are old, well hashed out critiques well backed up by fact. And I do enjoy Star Wars, even the new ones, they're just much worse than the first three.
I was critiquing your allegation that Lucas wrote the first three, which is, at best, ignoring all the other sources of input, and is definitely not true in the same way that he has written the latest ones.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
There are a lot of nice people out there that haven't sued Lucas for stealing all those ideas then, and for slapping his name over all things Star Wars.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
*rolls eyes*
Kurosawa would hardly sue, he supports that sort of thing.
Posted by Goody Scrivener (Member # 6742) on :
Saw the trailer today when we went to see Robots. If I weren't so eagerly awaiting this movie, the trailer honestly wouldn't be enough to influence me.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
You seriously didn't think the trailer look exciting? And you were already excited about it before the trailer?
And I wasn't just talking about Kurosawa, since you claim he had practically nothing to do with the ideas or actual writing of the movie. Why is everyone who actually did create the movies letting him take credit for everything?
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Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Uh, Kurosawa's works had a lot of influence on the ideas, and I never claimed otherwise.
As for other people, you might take a look at the screenwriting credits for ESB and ROTJ (comparatively, Lucas is the sole screenwriter for episodes 1 and 3, and had only one, partial helper with the screenplay on episode 2):
Much more than Lucas had input. The only one of the first three with a sole screenwriter credit for Lucas is the original Star Wars, and let me tell you about some scenes from The Hidden Fortress.
There's the "Survivors of the battle" scene, where our two intrepid heros, one a dry wit and the other a bit clueless, having managed to escape the enemy's notice, wander around a desert. They even have a quarrel which involves them splitting up, briefly.
Or then there's where they learn there's a princess in a hidden fortress, and decide to go get her.
Or there's where the princess has a warrior-mentor and protector, who is stoic but wise, liked even as one of the pair distrusts him (depending on scene we see more of R2D2 and C3PO in the pair, or Han and Luke).
Or there's where the wise warrior-mentor has to confront his former student so the others can escape.
Et cetera, et cetera. Its not identical, but it darn sure was the source of a lot of the scenes and ideas.
Also, I think you may be misunderstanding. I'm not claiming Lucas did something bad, I'm saying he did something good, and that if he had gone about making the latest movies in the same way they'd have been a heck of a lot better.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Oh, and lets look at another big source of creativity in a movie, the director:
ANH: Lucas
ESB: Kershner
ROTJ: Marquand
TPM: Lucas
AoTC: Lucas
RoTS: Lucas
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
So I've been doing a little research between my fanatical posts.
And yes, you are right about, eh, 90% of what you've said. I think it's unfair to claim Kurosawa was magical when he borrowed rather heavily from American Westerns and other people himself.
But I do agree that Lucas borrowed from him, as well as Flash Gordan and Joseph Campbell. And he did include elements of these inspirations in his prequels as well.
I don't think it's fair to claim the movies he had less involvement in were better. I actually thought ESB was the worst of the three original films. But he had control of the overall storyarch, and controlled the plot and other things, though no he didn't always write the entire script himself. He has always maintained tight control on the storyline, especially afterwards with the EU and games.
Sorry for being so blindly rabid.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Kershner was on the set of the principal filming of AotC and RotS to give advice and comparison between the original movies and the prequels.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Oh, I think he certainly did have a lot of control; as he said, these were good things he was doing.
However, he really is a pretty mediocre detail writer. I mean, c'mon: midichlorians, horrible love scenes, really young yet somehow elected queens, all the details of the "trade dispute", almost all the humor with the battle droids, Jar-jar, et cetera.
The overall story's not bad at all (though I think he could have tightened it up some, too) in Episodes 1 and 2, but the writing and a lot of the finer pacing left a lot to be desired.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
And coincidentally, the battle scenes in AoTC are much better than those in TPM, and RoTS looks to be so as well. The battle scenes in ESB were some of the best, too.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
That's really more of a subjective issue don't you think? I felt it was well written (except Jar-Jar), and well acted. Midichlorians didn't bother me at all, neither did the love story, except I wondered a bit at why she ever fell for him in the first place.
My only worry for storyline in the third film is how he will link up all the details of the plots from Episodes I - VI and make it a flowing arc with no disagreements in plot.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I agree AotC had far better battle scenes. My favorite from the original series is still RotJ, I loved the lightsaber duel from that film the most. Lightsabers were always my favorite detail of the Star Wars universe.
I think RotS will put them all to shame though, if the trailer is but a piece of what's in store.
Posted by whiskysunrise (Member # 6819) on :
I thought that she should have got together with Ben.
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Posted by beatnix19 (Member # 5836) on :
The official trailer hit Starwars.com yesterday. Very nice quality, takes a few minutes to download, but worth it.
Posted by the_Somalian (Member # 6688) on :
Here's the thing. In his original negative review of "Attack Of The Clones" Ebert noted how murky and indistinct a film shot fully with digital cameras appeared when transferred onto film. I saw the trailer in my school computer lab before seeing it again later in the day on the big screen, and man oh man is the difference apparent. On the computer screen the trailer appeared bright and sharp--on the big screen it seemed needlessly dark and, as said before, murky. Oddly enough Lucas was bragging about the superiority of digital cameras on 60 Minutes recently. oh, digital cameras! How advanced!!!
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Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
quote:I actually thought ESB was the worst of the three original films.
I think i've found the fundemental problem with this whole conversation.
fugu, I suggest ceasing and dissisting immediately. There is no hope here.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
"I actually thought ESB was the worst of the three original films."
*blink* Okay, clearly you come from Bizarro World.
Me love and respect your opinion. Me think you have excellent taste. Me going to be last in line for new Lucas movie, because it will be that good.
Posted by Beren One Hand (Member # 3403) on :
oh, digital cameras! How advanced!!!
That's why I watched the prequels in digital projection movie theaters. They looked fantastic.
BTW, if a movie looks murky, you have the right to ask for your money back. I've done this more than once at movie theaters.
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Posted by estavares (Member # 7170) on :
It's true about the digital projectors; digital film looks best on a digital projector, hands down. I admire Lucas' desire to push the envelope--I'd rather he didn't use the Star Wars series as a guinea pig to test it on, but that's just me.
Digital hasn't reached the depth and saturation of 35mm. Take any frame of ESB and match it to a frame from AOTC and you'll see one big difference: one has the density of live objects sharing a common space, the other looks like flat CGI. But it's not the medium that really matters. It's the story. One of the best films of the last few years, The Incredibles, is great because it's excellent storytelling. The DVD is top notch!
I do think these prequels with see greater appreciation over time. The biggest problem with them is writing--Lucas breaks every basic screenwriter rule in TPM. I wish, I wish, I wish Lawrence Kasdan had agreed to write them...
(And like a complete fool, I'll be in line yet AGAIN for Episode III and probably let-down AGAIN and still go back and see it AGAIN. I'm starting to act like Comic Book Guy.)
Posted by the_Somalian (Member # 6688) on :
Lucas undoubtedly knows his writing abilities are limited--that he persisted in writing the prequels is merely a matter of him egotistical and clingy. They're his babies and he won't let go. Even a generally good director (in my opinion, anyway) like Spielberg relies on screenwriters. Lucas though simply had to insist on doing most of the writing on these prequels...no wonder they're lacking completely and utterly in that regard. Smart directors know not to write beyond their abilities--Lucas did this and failed miserably in the first two prequels. Can you imagine all the money Lucas was putting up for the Star Wars prequels matched with an excellent writer at the helm?!? Hell, we would've forgot about the earlier Star Wars films!!
Posted by vwiggin (Member # 926) on :
"I wish Lawrence Kasdan had agreed to write them..."
Me too. Grand Canyon is one of my favorite movies. Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I saw both the new star wars films in a digital projection theater, and thought the clarity was amazing.
AOTC on IMAX was fun too, but the scene where Anakin fights Dooku in the dark with the lightsabers almost gave me a seizure. At the very least it certainly hurt my eyes.
Posted by Aeroth (Member # 6269) on :
Speaking of Dooku, he probably won't be in this movie much.
Is it just me, or are major movie trilogies finding less and less use for Christopher Lee?
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Well, he is in his seventies.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
He has a fight scene with Anakin, he has to at least be in a good 10-15 minutes of the movie.
That's not that much less than the last movie, or for that matter his actual on screen time in the Lord of the Rings movies.
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