To the best of my knowledge, THIS conversation hasn't taken place at hatrack yet, and i'm very very thankful.
...you are still nerds though.
[ March 18, 2005, 09:43 AM: Message edited by: Ben ]
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
No we are not nerds. I am not a nerd.
And the answer is purely physics, as it all depends on the wielder and the amount of force applied.
Posted by AntiCool (Member # 7386) on :
Darn tootin'!
Posted by Zeugma (Member # 6636) on :
What's adamantium? My web browser doesn't have it in its spell check dictionary. Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
I think it's what Wolverine's skeleton and claws are made out of in the X-Men comics.
Posted by Zeugma (Member # 6636) on :
Ohhhhhh. Gotcha.
Well, obviously the lightsabre would win. Sheesh. Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
Captian America's shield is also made out of it.
msquared
Posted by AntiCool (Member # 7386) on :
I am a professional nerd.
And proud of it.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
How much do they pay you?
Posted by Jay (Member # 5786) on :
It would probably take some time to cut through so I imagine in a fight they could be pretty equally matched.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:Captian America's shield is also made out of it.
Adamantium is only one of the metals in the alloy.
*goes back to the nerdery*
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Professional nerds usually make pretty good money, but they only pay you in gold-pressed latinum or Republic credits.
Oh, and the lightsaber would totally win. Duh.
[ March 18, 2005, 12:23 PM: Message edited by: Jon Boy ]
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
Only if it made a killing blow before a very cranky Wolverine gutted the Jedi in question.
-Trevor
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Well, duh. It might take a bit of work, but the only thing a lightsaber can't cut through is cortosis ore. Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
Of course, this begs the question - Wolverine is walking anger.
If the world permits a Jedi to exist, then the Force must exist.
Wolverine will, in short order, become the nastiest dark Jedi around.
-Trevor
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Only if he has Force ability. Otherwise, he's just a normal bad guy.
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
Sorry, I'm applying WEG logic - anyone could become a really, really nasty person.
-Trevor
Posted by AntiCool (Member # 7386) on :
WEG? Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
<---- Star Wars Freak Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
WEG - West End Games.
They released the first Star Wars RPG. The franchise has since been turned over to the d20 mechanic which is fitting -> one pile of Bantha droppings deserves another.
-Trevor
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
I would like to point out (and this isn't aimed at you, Trevor), that many people would have said "Bantha pu-du" there (Trevor didn't!), when we all know that, correctly translated, that means bantha fodder-- food. *is an incredibly geeky SW freak*
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
I wasn't sure about the translation, so I wasn't going to venture into unknown waters with an obvious fan peering over my virtual shoulder.
Say hi to KP for me.
-Trevor
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
SWRPG went D20?
The last vestiges of my childhood...er, my early 20s...is gone!
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Always better to be safe, eh? And I told her "Trevor says hi" and waved, and she waved back, then looked around for you, and cried when she didn't see you. Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
Awww....sorry KP - I promise we'll go flying next time.
-Trevor
Posted by Bean Counter (Member # 6001) on :
There are precidents, materials that a light sabre will not cut, I would guess they would be impervious to each other and it would come down to skill.
We could also add Cuendillar to the list...
BC
[ March 18, 2005, 12:56 PM: Message edited by: Bean Counter ]
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
The idea of cortosis ore is almost as stupid as the idea of midi-chlorians.
Wait, no—midi-chlorians are still far stupider.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
You're not going to like my taste, then.
*favorite SW book is I, Jedi*
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
The lightsabers have trouble with the crab armor, too, don't they?
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Crab armor?
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
I, Jedi is one of my favorites, too.
I think Dag is referring to the invaders in the New Jedi Order series, which is far stupider than midi-chlorians.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks so.
And yes, that's what I was referring too.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Oh. That. Lightsabers work, just not quick enough for you to not get hurt, IIRC. Also, it's self-healing.
I hated the NJO so much, I stopped reading it and have never bothered to finish.
SPOILERS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I can't believe they killed Chewie. Although I liked Jaina in Rogue Squad. and all that, they honestly couldn't recover in my eyes after killing Chewie. It's just wrong.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
I think I only read the first one or two. They just weren't Star Wars at all.
*SPOILERS*
I can't believe they killed Anakin, too. I think he was a perfect candidate for a new Sith Lord later on.
*END SPOILERS*
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
SPOILERS * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * That ticked me off, too. I liked Anakin. Even in the Corellian Trilogy. (Although the people who wrote the Solo kids when they were, you know, kids honestly did not seem to have a very good understanding of how kids, even/especially very bright and talented kids, should behave at any given age.) But more than that, it's just not the way to develop the story-- "Uh, oh, people are starting to not care! Let's kill of a character they really care about!" Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Whatever adamantium is, it ain't composed of normal atoms: it's gamma-ray (ie extremely high energy photons) proof up to at least lower hard-gamma frequencies. Which leads to exotic materials such as monopolium.
So it depends on what a lightsaber's blade is actually composed of. If it's visible photons, then the answer is definitely: No, a lightsaber cannot cut through adamantium. Might be no anyways: 1) The fight scenes show the lightsaber blades sometimes glancing off of objects. However, it could be that the Jedi&Sith are already turning/redirecting their blades, and the apparent rebounds off the objects are merely coincidences in timing. 2) ObiWan and QuiGon had difficulty (or at least took a heck of a long time) slicing through an armored door. So unless the door contained some adamantium-fiber reinforcement... That seems unlikely because it would imply that adamantium would be a more easily obtainable material. And lightsabers would then be a more commonly-used weapon (see next section) which contradicts the apparent Jedi&Sith monopoly.
But then, any sort of normal photon ray wouldn't just terminate at sword length. So the lightsaber's visible light could just be an artifact, a secondary effect of the real blade. ie The blade could be composed of eg a subnanoscale/submicroscopicly thin line of monopolium. If so, speeding air molecules would be sliced into pieces/radicals when they run into the blade. And the visible light would be from the energy of those radicals recombining back into molecules.
Which leads to a monopolium longblade vs a monopolium shortblade in the case of Jedi vs Wolverine; and a monopolium longblade vs a monopolium shield in the case of Jedi vs CaptainAmerica. Which would effectively be no different than steel vs steel.
[ March 18, 2005, 04:01 PM: Message edited by: aspectre ]
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
And anybody who hasta ask "What's adamantium?" ain't no nerd Posted by Zeugma (Member # 6636) on :
Hey, there's plenty of different ways to be a nerd. I happen to be the type of nerd that doesn't like comic books. So there. Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Rather odd that: Nanotech symbionts/infestation is acceptable as a standard hard scifi explanation for "super"powered beings. But if ya make up a different word (like midichlorians) for the same effect, all of a sudden it ain't scifi enough.
[ March 18, 2005, 02:57 PM: Message edited by: aspectre ]
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
It's more the fact that midichlorians were never mentioned, then all of a sudden we have to just deal with it...
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Wasn't mentioned in the original StarWars that a Princess is an elected official either.
Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
Well, what planet would Leia be princess of? Naboo? Alderaan? Are the rules the same? Does Lucas care?
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
I'm one of those who chooses my own canon. I tend to accept the movies and most of the books, but ignore the ones I don't like. It ticks me off a little that GL put something in one of the movies that was just never even hinted at in the books. Now I have to re-order my head. That's all.
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Preface everything which implies mindreading on my part below with "I [aspectre] think".*
Lucas cares, and realized he'd made a too hasty, too direct an adaptation of a tale set in medieval&pretechnological Japan when he translated the story into a futuristic&technological milieu. It's hard to reconcile the Divine Right of Kings and Bishops -- ie God confers extraordinary powers to those born of noble or priestly parents -- with the democratizing effects of easy access to modern communications.
If rule by the noble born is the method of governance in the OldRepublic, then the JediOrder was merely the instrument of an incredibly oppressive tyranny. Similarly, if "psychic"powers and direct contact with the Force/God/Fate is strictly an inheritance-by-birth, then the Jedi are a permanent priest caste, the overseers of lower castes. Neither of which seems good-guyish to me. And the change from the OldRepublic to the Empire to the NewRepublic is basicly a series of battles merely to change the names of the Masters. Which doesn't make a "good guys triumphant" morality tale.
Even AlexGuiness was disgusted by the "mumbo jumbo of the Force". The addition of "psychic"powers/mini-godhood isn't a good fit with a technological milieu.
So yeah, in order to keep the "good guys" as real good guys, Lucas added democratic elections-by-the-peoples to the Princess selection process. And PrincessLeia is by default retconned into an elected official.
Midichlorian infestation is as egalitarian as the flu: some people catch it, and some don't. Admittedly, it's a rare form of the "flu" which most people seem avoid catching. By the addition of midichlorians, Luke doesn't inherit his powers through birth into the priest-caste, but rather he is infected by the midichlorians carried by his father Anakin. His powers are no longer psychic, a result of direct contact with the Force-as-God. Rather they are the result of midichlorians/"nanobots" which allow access to the Force-as-PowerfulTechnology via "Any sufficiently advanced technology looks like magic.". At least to the technologically naive: consider how people with presentday cellphones and rifles would appear to peoples of our past.
Consider what would happen if you could dump assault rifles&ammo and cellphones (while hiding the networking equipment) on Napoleon. In newer StarWars, midichlorians and the Force appears to be the result of a more advanced technology (from a disappeared/hiding civilization) being dumped on the more technologically-primitive StarWars society.
An addition again leading to a democratic&egalitarian society more in keeping with a technological milieu. Since Lucas writes for kids, he would care very much about what sort of message, propaganda, indoctrination he endorses with his products. From all indications, he prefers democracy&egalitarianism over tyranny and permanent assignment to a caste.
* Cuz typing "I think" over&over is a tedious way of adding nothing. Everything I type is what I think. The only times I include the phrase is to emphasize that I'm less than sure of my memory of the specific(s) mentioned.
[ March 19, 2005, 03:23 AM: Message edited by: aspectre ]
Posted by vwiggin (Member # 926) on :
Gee Ben, if you want to talk about lightsabers just say so. Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
aspectre, your post wasn't there when I created mine. Though I suspect since he is writing for children (I agree, why else have a fart joke in TPM?) that he cares less about the adult audience now.
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Darn near every movie has stupid "fart joke" equivalents (which includes graphic violence) -- ones which have absolutely nothing to do with the integrity of the storyline or characters -- strictly to get a "more adult" rating. Studios think that teens&twenties -- who are the folks who go to the movies the most often and are most likely to pay for multiple viewings -- won't go into a G or PG rated movie. Since the teens&twenties fork over the most cash, the studios (through their writers and directors) put in irrelevant scenes to bump the movie into the PG-13 and R ratings.
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